I am only against the flippers. If someone buys a poster and later down the track decides they no longer want it.....I see no problem with selling or trading it. It's (as I've said!) when arseholes buy these posters at the sales, causing people that genuinely want this art to miss out, with the intentions to re-sell and make a $$$ - it totally shits me!! :mad:
Once again...I'll be sitting here til 3am waiting for the next sale......hoping I get the 1 poster I really want......and if I miss out because of flippers :mad:
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I am only against the flippers. If someone buys a poster and later down the track decides they no longer want it.....I see no problem with selling or trading it. It's (as I've said!) when arseholes buy these posters at the sales, causing people that genuinely want this art to miss out, with the intentions to re-sell and make a $$$ - it totally shits me!! :mad:
Once again...I'll be sitting here til 3am waiting for the next sale......hoping I get the 1 poster I really want......and if I miss out because of flippers :mad:
Yeah, it kills me how the "for sale/trade" area on Expresso Beans BLOWS up after a 10C Sale. But only if I got shut out myself:)
I am only against the flippers. If someone buys a poster and later down the track decides they no longer want it.....I see no problem with selling or trading it. It's (as I've said!) when arseholes buy these posters at the sales, causing people that genuinely want this art to miss out, with the intentions to re-sell and make a $$$ - it totally shits me!! :mad:
Once again...I'll be sitting here til 3am waiting for the next sale......hoping I get the 1 poster I really want......and if I miss out because of flippers :mad:
Agree with OZgirl.
People who buy posters with the only goal to flip them are total scum. ninersfan001 comes to mind.
He takes a poster out of the hands of a fan who went to the show and wanted one.
Because of this people miss out, get upset, and get pissed when someone comes on here to sell posters.
If you are entering the secondhand market, be smart and STAY off this Fan Club board. Go directly to eBay.
There is no official grace period, but after a year or two or ten, I personally have no problem if someone needs money and sells their artwork for the appreciated value. That is the nature of art.
I don't collect posters except for shows I went to. I'm proud to say I have every poster to every show I've been to.
I bought them ALL at shows except for the first 4 shows I attended. Wasn't into it yet. Paid "market" value for those four.
If/when I or my greatest grandson decides to sell there will be no shame in accepting market value in my opinion. Via eBay and NOT this site. ;p
If you are entering the secondhand market, be smart and STAY off this Fan Club board. Go directly to eBay.
There is no official grace period, but after a year or two or ten, I personally have no problem if someone needs money and sells their artwork for the appreciated value. That is the nature of art.
I guess it depends on each person...I just cant sell...I think if I do, karma will kick my ass(insert ass kiss remark here...;) ). I have only traded and never paid more than face for a poster. For me, it is about gettng the poster I want, fair trade or not(on my end). I traded a Boston 98(to bostonlou, God rest his soul) for an Ames Hawaii 06, when I prob could have got $4-600 on the bay? He was happy and I was too. That is pretty much all that counts for me. I could care less what people do with their own shit at the end of the day, but it does bug me a bit when someone comes here with a poster they paid $30 for and tries to sell it for 100's. While I understand they are WORTH that, I just dont care to do things that way... you can always find someone to trade with straight up regardless of values if you look hard enough.....just me...carry on...
My friend was going to see Eddie last night. Since he was in Vegas, I gave him 5 Grand to gamble with. I told him I wanted it all to go on Black. Bastard! PhillyCrownOfThorns-11-2-12
I guess it depends on each person...I just cant sell...I think if I do, karma will kick my ass(insert ass kiss remark here...;) ). I have only traded and never paid more than face for a poster. For me, it is about gettng the poster I want, fair trade or not(on my end). I traded a Boston 98(to bostonlou, God rest his soul) for an Ames Hawaii 06, when I prob could have got $4-600 on the bay? He was happy and I was too. That is pretty much all that counts for me. I could care less what people do with their own shit at the end of the day, but it does bug me a bit when someone comes here with a poster they paid $30 for and tries to sell it for 100's. While I understand they are WORTH that, I just dont care to do things that way... you can always find someone to trade with straight up regardless of values if you look hard enough.....just me...carry on...
all very good points. The one show poster that I attended that I never got was B-Ham 98, but I refuse to pay $400 for it and that's what it always goes for on ebay. Oh well, maybe one of these days
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I think it is all a matter of timing. If you go to a show and buy poster and have it listed on Ebay that same night/morning, I don't know, it just feels a little dirty to me. Especially since so many people end up getting shut out of getting posters from shows they actually attend.
Having said that, if you acquire a poster and you decide somewhere down the road (at least a few months) that it is just going to sit in a flat file forever (or god forbid, a tube) and it is not a worthy addition to your collection, then you should feel OK selling it. (I have done this myself and am not ashamed to admit it. Hopefully this doesn't get me banned, but with the amount of people listing "posters for sale" on this site lately, I think I am safe.)
Anyway, my thought on this has been that out of courtesty to your fellow fan, if you are buying a poster at a show that you know know know that you are going to turn around and sell the next day maybe think about not doing that because once you cross that line you have become more or less the same exact thing as ninersfan (i.e., a scalper). And I think that is really uncool, especially when it comes to a band with as much integrity as pearl jam.
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People selling a poster 5 minutes after a show ends on e-bay already marking it up 200%.
Why? Because many of us really enjoy the posters and collect them, and since people just sit in line to flip them at huge profits actual fans of the medium are SOL.
For example: That dude we all know who hired homeless people to get in line for him at MSG and buy tons of posters while those of us who actually wanted one were shut out.
flippers also kill us because if we want the poster we eventually cave in and buy it at their inflated prices, it sets an artificially high price ending up costing us even more. That new tork poster set is not even good but we'll have to pay 150 for it since nonposter people see it as some kind of quick buck.
And as many have put it how much money does Brad Klausen see when someone paws his Kenyon Hall for 250 bucks...nothing. Yeah I know there are hundreds of examples of this in the art world, but it isn't like we are talking years later on many of these, we are talking minutes after it is sold people are marking it up from 35 to 200 bucks sometimes!
It is simple, if you don't want a poster to keep don't buy one! Let the people who want one get one.
But there is a certain level of hypocrisy going on. I mean you would never trade your Easy Street for say a Dusseldorf straight up and it has nothing to do with with your love for the putrid art that is Easy Street. It's because one sells for 6-700 on ebay while the other sells for 150-200...
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I am only against the flippers. If someone buys a poster and later down the track decides they no longer want it.....I see no problem with selling or trading it. It's (as I've said!) when arseholes buy these posters at the sales, causing people that genuinely want this art to miss out, with the intentions to re-sell and make a $$$ - it totally shits me!! :mad:
Once again...I'll be sitting here til 3am waiting for the next sale......hoping I get the 1 poster I really want......and if I miss out because of flippers :mad:
can't say, sorry
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Yeah, it kills me how the "for sale/trade" area on Expresso Beans BLOWS up after a 10C Sale. But only if I got shut out myself:)
I've been waiting to say that to you...
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Agree with OZgirl.
People who buy posters with the only goal to flip them are total scum. ninersfan001 comes to mind.
He takes a poster out of the hands of a fan who went to the show and wanted one.
Because of this people miss out, get upset, and get pissed when someone comes on here to sell posters.
If you are entering the secondhand market, be smart and STAY off this Fan Club board. Go directly to eBay.
There is no official grace period, but after a year or two or ten, I personally have no problem if someone needs money and sells their artwork for the appreciated value. That is the nature of art.
I don't collect posters except for shows I went to. I'm proud to say I have every poster to every show I've been to.
I bought them ALL at shows except for the first 4 shows I attended. Wasn't into it yet. Paid "market" value for those four.
If/when I or my greatest grandson decides to sell there will be no shame in accepting market value in my opinion. Via eBay and NOT this site. ;p
I guess it depends on each person...I just cant sell...I think if I do, karma will kick my ass(insert ass kiss remark here...;) ). I have only traded and never paid more than face for a poster. For me, it is about gettng the poster I want, fair trade or not(on my end). I traded a Boston 98(to bostonlou, God rest his soul) for an Ames Hawaii 06, when I prob could have got $4-600 on the bay? He was happy and I was too. That is pretty much all that counts for me. I could care less what people do with their own shit at the end of the day, but it does bug me a bit when someone comes here with a poster they paid $30 for and tries to sell it for 100's. While I understand they are WORTH that, I just dont care to do things that way... you can always find someone to trade with straight up regardless of values if you look hard enough.....just me...carry on...
"Free Shipping" SPEEDY MCCREADY
My friend was going to see Eddie last night. Since he was in Vegas, I gave him 5 Grand to gamble with. I told him I wanted it all to go on Black. Bastard! PhillyCrownOfThorns-11-2-12
1996: Ft Lauderdale
1998: Birmingham
2000: Charlotte, Tampa
2003: Tampa, Atlanta, Phoenix
2004: Kissimmee
2008: West Palm Beach, Bonnaroo, Columbia
2010: MSG2
2012: Music Midtown
2014: Memphis
2018: Wrigley 1, Fenway 1
2022: Nashville
2023: Ft. Worth II
Having said that, if you acquire a poster and you decide somewhere down the road (at least a few months) that it is just going to sit in a flat file forever (or god forbid, a tube) and it is not a worthy addition to your collection, then you should feel OK selling it. (I have done this myself and am not ashamed to admit it. Hopefully this doesn't get me banned, but with the amount of people listing "posters for sale" on this site lately, I think I am safe.)
Anyway, my thought on this has been that out of courtesty to your fellow fan, if you are buying a poster at a show that you know know know that you are going to turn around and sell the next day maybe think about not doing that because once you cross that line you have become more or less the same exact thing as ninersfan (i.e., a scalper). And I think that is really uncool, especially when it comes to a band with as much integrity as pearl jam.
they're not cool. personally I think poster collecting is the lamest thing about pearl jam fandom.
Pearl Jam bootlegs:
http://wegotshit.blogspot.com
How do you REALLY feel though? I am having a hard time understanding EXACTLY what you mean?
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My friend was going to see Eddie last night. Since he was in Vegas, I gave him 5 Grand to gamble with. I told him I wanted it all to go on Black. Bastard! PhillyCrownOfThorns-11-2-12
haha yeah, im glad someone saw the sarcasm in my post.
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People selling a poster 5 minutes after a show ends on e-bay already marking it up 200%.
Why? Because many of us really enjoy the posters and collect them, and since people just sit in line to flip them at huge profits actual fans of the medium are SOL.
For example: That dude we all know who hired homeless people to get in line for him at MSG and buy tons of posters while those of us who actually wanted one were shut out.
flippers also kill us because if we want the poster we eventually cave in and buy it at their inflated prices, it sets an artificially high price ending up costing us even more. That new tork poster set is not even good but we'll have to pay 150 for it since nonposter people see it as some kind of quick buck.
And as many have put it how much money does Brad Klausen see when someone paws his Kenyon Hall for 250 bucks...nothing. Yeah I know there are hundreds of examples of this in the art world, but it isn't like we are talking years later on many of these, we are talking minutes after it is sold people are marking it up from 35 to 200 bucks sometimes!
It is simple, if you don't want a poster to keep don't buy one! Let the people who want one get one.
the proof is the puddin'
Pearl Jam bootlegs:
http://wegotshit.blogspot.com