Yes between local,state,and federal taxes its about .60 cents on the dollar. And yrs I also believe in the military. Back to the topic tho. Does any one else see what "labels" have done to this thread alone? Everyone is defending their label and fighting amongst each other instead of fighting to make a real change in a broken system. As long as everyone is fighting each other there will be no real change.
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Labels or definitions?
Being a male... who supports our military... label or definition?
I am a male... older male... likes punk rock music... old rock style music. Works for a living... computer shit... in a cubicle... in the military/industrial complex. Surfs... used to surf more, but knows the water is dirtier than my toilet... divorced... still friends with the ex... no kids... love my job... good pay, great benefits... never been on unemployment or welfare... 30+ years seniority... voted for Carter, Reagan, Reagan, H.W.Bush, Clinton, Gore, Kerry, Obama... rides a skateboard... cusses way more than I should... owns an old Schwinn Typhoon... not even close to paying 60% in taxes... own a home... have cats... believe in personal responsibility... don't mind paying my taxes because this country has been good to me... Bachelors Degree in Business Management... programs in Oracle SQL... works mainly in UNIX... 139,000 membership number... plays guitar (barely)... votes for the candidate, ignores political party affiliation... needs a haircut... listens to Mozart... loves Renoir paintings and Banksy graffitti... first car was a '67 VW... thinks that the government should not decide who gets to marry whom... that it is a woman's choice, although hopes that abortion is her last option... loves the teachings of Christ, but have grave mistrust of the Church(es)... likes the color blue... doesn't like asparagus... hates to shave... doesn't smoke pot... used to smoke pot... thinks pot should be de-criminalized... loves camping in the mountains... not a big fan of Las Vegas... most of my wardrobe is from Costco... believes in recycling, re-using, reducing what I consume...
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Um... actually, Welfare IS kinda the textbook definition of "taking care of the individual."
Um... actually, Welfare is not meant nor should it be meant to sustain a family. And like I said I'm all for helping people out when they fall on hard times I've been there. I know what it's like. But the system is severely broken and needs to be fixed. It is meant to help a family or individual in need not every individual in the country .
Um... what are you talking about? I'm lost.
And I'm talking about the gov. cant do hardly anything right. Do you really want them in control of your health and your future. Do they really know you? Are they really going to do right by you and your family?
I don't get it, are you for the programs but think the government runs them poorly? Or just against the programs?
Actually... I am FOR the military... albeit, it is a socialist organization. I think that the nation as a whole benefits from a strong military... and the nation should use the military resources with the greatest of care. Those people that say shit like, 'WE should go over there and kick their asses' should be the first ones sent over there. By using 'WE' in their cause... it should include them. Instead, those out of shape, Pillbury doughboy soft bellies let our soldiers and their families bear the entire load of the War. Heaven forbid, you ask them to pay for the fucking war they support... their support usually consists of a fucking $1.00 magnet that was made in China to stick on the tailgate of their V8 pickup truck.
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The only thing about the response above... 60% taxed? You are taxed 60% of your income?
From the 2010 Tax Schedule:
Income
Single
Married----Marr'd Sep----HoH
99,950 to 100,000--21,702----17,356
22,115
19,841
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That is taxable income.... at 21%... which means, you pay 39% in other taxes?
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Of Topic... here is the 2004 Tax Table:
Income
Single
Married----Marr'd Sep----HoH
99,950 100,000---- 22,620--- 18,469
23,504
20,594
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To the Tea Partiers out there... doesn't this mean you are taxed LESS? I understand, facts don't really mean much... but... come on....
come on...
we both know there is a whole lot more to taxes than just federal income tax
state, county, city, regional, gas, sales, beer&wine, fica just to scratch the surface. if we include fee's the list is endless.
Year TFD Percentage tax burden
1900 January 22 5.9%
1910 January 19 5.0%
1920 February 13 12.0%
1930 February 12 11.7%
1940 March 7 17.9%
1950 March 31 24.6%
1960 April 11 27.7%
1970 April 19 29.6%
1980 April 21 30.4%
1990 April 21 30.4%
2000 May 1 33.0%
2001 April 27 31.8%
2002 April 17 29.2%
2003 April 14 28.4%
2004 April 15 28.5%
2005 April 21 30.2%
2006 April 24 31.2%
2007 April 24 31.1%
2008 April 16 29.0%
2009 April 8 26.6%
2010 April 9 26.9%
2011 April 12 28.0%
Actually... I am FOR the military... albeit, it is a socialist organization. I think that the nation as a whole benefits from a strong military... and the nation should use the military resources with the greatest of care. Those people that say shit like, 'WE should go over there and kick their asses' should be the first ones sent over there. By using 'WE' in their cause... it should include them. Instead, those out of shape, Pillbury doughboy soft bellies let our soldiers and their families bear the entire load of the War. Heaven forbid, you ask them to pay for the fucking war they support... their support usually consists of a fucking $1.00 magnet that was made in China to stick on the tailgate of their V8 pickup truck.
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The only thing about the response above... 60% taxed? You are taxed 60% of your income?
From the 2010 Tax Schedule:
Income
Single
Married----Marr'd Sep----HoH
99,950 to 100,000--21,702----17,356
22,115
19,841
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That is taxable income.... at 21%... which means, you pay 39% in other taxes?
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Of Topic... here is the 2004 Tax Table:
Income
Single
Married----Marr'd Sep----HoH
99,950 100,000---- 22,620--- 18,469
23,504
20,594
...
To the Tea Partiers out there... doesn't this mean you are taxed LESS? I understand, facts don't really mean much... but... come on....
come on...
we both know there is a whole lot more to taxes than just federal income tax
state, county, city, regional, gas, sales, beer&wine, fica just to scratch the surface. if we include fee's the list is endless.
Year TFD Percentage tax burden
1900 January 22 5.9%
1910 January 19 5.0%
1920 February 13 12.0%
1930 February 12 11.7%
1940 March 7 17.9%
1950 March 31 24.6%
1960 April 11 27.7%
1970 April 19 29.6%
1980 April 21 30.4%
1990 April 21 30.4%
2000 May 1 33.0%
2001 April 27 31.8%
2002 April 17 29.2%
2003 April 14 28.4%
2004 April 15 28.5%
2005 April 21 30.2%
2006 April 24 31.2%
2007 April 24 31.1%
2008 April 16 29.0%
2009 April 8 26.6%
2010 April 9 26.9%
2011 April 12 28.0%
28% is fine with me, maybe even a little low. 43% of Americans think their federal taxes are "about right" and 4% say it's "too low". 57% say what they pay is fair. 59% think upper income pay too little. 44% making over $250,000 say it's fair.
Um... actually, Welfare is not meant nor should it be meant to sustain a family.
Sadly sometimes it has to. Not saying that's a good thing.
d. It is meant to help a family or individual in need not every individual in the country .
OK. And luckily, the vast majority of America isn't on welfare.
And I'm talking about the gov. cant do hardly anything right. Do you really want them in control of your health and your future. Do they really know you? Are they really going to do right by you and your family?
As opposed to the insurance companies that are in charge of it now whose only mandate is to make money? Yeah... actually... coming from Canada and knowing how much better their system works... I'm quite comfortable with the government handling my health insurance. And NOBODY has said the Government will be in charge of your healthcare... just paying for it. Your treatment should be up to you and your doctor... unlike now when it's up to some guy at your insurance company whose job it is to find a loophole to cut off your coverage.
Yes between local,state,and federal taxes its about .60 cents on the dollar. And yrs I also believe in the military. Back to the topic tho. Does any one else see what "labels" have done to this thread alone? Everyone is defending their label and fighting amongst each other instead of fighting to make a real change in a broken system. As long as everyone is fighting each other there will be no real change.
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Labels or definitions?
Being a male... who supports our military... label or definition?
I am a male... older male... likes punk rock music... old rock style music. Works for a living... computer shit... in a cubicle... in the military/industrial complex. Surfs... used to surf more, but knows the water is dirtier than my toilet... divorced... still friends with the ex... no kids... love my job... good pay, great benefits... never been on unemployment or welfare... 30+ years seniority... voted for Carter, Reagan, Reagan, H.W.Bush, Clinton, Gore, Kerry, Obama... rides a skateboard... cusses way more than I should... owns an old Schwinn Typhoon... not even close to paying 60% in taxes... own a home... have cats... believe in personal responsibility... don't mind paying my taxes because this country has been good to me... Bachelors Degree in Business Management... programs in Oracle SQL... works mainly in UNIX... 139,000 membership number... plays guitar (barely)... votes for the candidate, ignores political party affiliation... needs a haircut... listens to Mozart... loves Renoir paintings and Banksy graffitti... first car was a '67 VW... thinks that the government should not decide who gets to marry whom... that it is a woman's choice, although hopes that abortion is her last option... loves the teachings of Christ, but have grave mistrust of the Church(es)... likes the color blue... doesn't like asparagus... hates to shave... doesn't smoke pot... used to smoke pot... thinks pot should be de-criminalized... loves camping in the mountains... not a big fan of Las Vegas... most of my wardrobe is from Costco... believes in recycling, re-using, reducing what I consume...
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Yes between local,state,and federal taxes its about .60 cents on the dollar. And yrs I also believe in the military. Back to the topic tho. Does any one else see what "labels" have done to this thread alone? Everyone is defending their label and fighting amongst each other instead of fighting to make a real change in a broken system. As long as everyone is fighting each other there will be no real change.
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Labels or definitions?
Being a male... who supports our military... label or definition?
I am a male... older male... likes punk rock music... old rock style music. Works for a living... computer shit... in a cubicle... in the military/industrial complex. Surfs... used to surf more, but knows the water is dirtier than my toilet... divorced... still friends with the ex... no kids... love my job... good pay, great benefits... never been on unemployment or welfare... 30+ years seniority... voted for Carter, Reagan, Reagan, H.W.Bush, Clinton, Gore, Kerry, Obama... rides a skateboard... cusses way more than I should... owns an old Schwinn Typhoon... not even close to paying 60% in taxes... own a home... have cats... believe in personal responsibility... don't mind paying my taxes because this country has been good to me... Bachelors Degree in Business Management... programs in Oracle SQL... works mainly in UNIX... 139,000 membership number... plays guitar (barely)... votes for the candidate, ignores political party affiliation... needs a haircut... listens to Mozart... loves Renoir paintings and Banksy graffitti... first car was a '67 VW... thinks that the government should not decide who gets to marry whom... that it is a woman's choice, although hopes that abortion is her last option... loves the teachings of Christ, but have grave mistrust of the Church(es)... likes the color blue... doesn't like asparagus... hates to shave... doesn't smoke pot... used to smoke pot... thinks pot should be de-criminalized... loves camping in the mountains... not a big fan of Las Vegas... most of my wardrobe is from Costco... believes in recycling, re-using, reducing what I consume...
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Those are great descriptions, and I agree with Smellyman, your label is: Pimp.
Um... actually, Welfare is not meant nor should it be meant to sustain a family.
Sadly sometimes it has to. Not saying that's a good thing.
d. It is meant to help a family or individual in need not every individual in the country .
OK. And luckily, the vast majority of America isn't on welfare.
And I'm talking about the gov. cant do hardly anything right. Do you really want them in control of your health and your future. Do they really know you? Are they really going to do right by you and your family?
As opposed to the insurance companies that are in charge of it now whose only mandate is to make money? Yeah... actually... coming from Canada and knowing how much better their system works... I'm quite comfortable with the government handling my health insurance. And NOBODY has said the Government will be in charge of your healthcare... just paying for it. Your treatment should be up to you and your doctor... unlike now when it's up to some guy at your insurance company whose job it is to find a loophole to cut off your coverage.
great post. as a Canadian i find it funny how people still believe that the government tells us citizens what we can and can't do with our health. i have major health problems in the past and not one time did a politician tell me what i can and can't do. the final decision was mine with help from my doctor.
Um... actually, Welfare is not meant nor should it be meant to sustain a family.
Sadly sometimes it has to. Not saying that's a good thing.
d. It is meant to help a family or individual in need not every individual in the country .
OK. And luckily, the vast majority of America isn't on welfare.
And I'm talking about the gov. cant do hardly anything right. Do you really want them in control of your health and your future. Do they really know you? Are they really going to do right by you and your family?
As opposed to the insurance companies that are in charge of it now whose only mandate is to make money? Yeah... actually... coming from Canada and knowing how much better their system works... I'm quite comfortable with the government handling my health insurance. And NOBODY has said the Government will be in charge of your healthcare... just paying for it. Your treatment should be up to you and your doctor... unlike now when it's up to some guy at your insurance company whose job it is to find a loophole to cut off your coverage.
great post. as a Canadian i find it funny how people still believe that the government tells us citizens what we can and can't do with our health. i have major health problems in the past and not one time did a politician tell me what i can and can't do. the final decision was mine with help from my doctor.
Keep your pinko agenda to the north. Have you not learned anything from AMT? We Americans can get free health care in the ER or just get it from one of the physicians in the neighborhood. If we do have insurance, we prefer that someone over the phone a thousand miles away, operating within the good will of the free market, make our healthcare decisions for us. I just learned from Sean Hannity last night that the riots in the U.K. are a result of entitlement programs, and that the same thing will happen in the U.S. if nothing changes. Today, I started digging my bunker.
great post. as a Canadian i find it funny how people still believe that the government tells us citizens what we can and can't do with our health. i have major health problems in the past and not one time did a politician tell me what i can and can't do. the final decision was mine with help from my doctor.[/quote]
Keep your pinko agenda to the north. Have you not learned anything from AMT? We Americans can get free health care in the ER or just get it from one of the physicians in the neighborhood. If we do have insurance, we prefer that someone over the phone a thousand miles away, operating within the good will of the free market, make our healthcare decisions for us. I just learned from Sean Hannity last night that the riots in the U.K. are a result of entitlement programs, and that the same thing will happen in the U.S. if nothing changes. Today, I started digging my bunker.[/quote]
sorry beaver, i still have not learned my place here there is no reason to dig a bunker, you can come up here. we are nice people and according to studies we live longer even with our poor socialist health care system.
great post. as a Canadian i find it funny how people still believe that the government tells us citizens what we can and can't do with our health. i have major health problems in the past and not one time did a politician tell me what i can and can't do. the final decision was mine with help from my doctor.
Keep your pinko agenda to the north. Have you not learned anything from AMT? We Americans can get free health care in the ER or just get it from one of the physicians in the neighborhood. If we do have insurance, we prefer that someone over the phone a thousand miles away, operating within the good will of the free market, make our healthcare decisions for us. I just learned from Sean Hannity last night that the riots in the U.K. are a result of entitlement programs, and that the same thing will happen in the U.S. if nothing changes. Today, I started digging my bunker.[/quote]
sorry beaver, i still have not learned my place here there is no reason to dig a bunker, you can come up here. we are nice people and according to studies we live longer even with our poor socialist health care system.[/quote]
I love it up there. Great people every place I've been. Please don't build a 3000 mile fence to keep us out.
great post. as a Canadian i find it funny how people still believe that the government tells us citizens what we can and can't do with our health. i have major health problems in the past and not one time did a politician tell me what i can and can't do. the final decision was mine with help from my doctor.
Keep your pinko agenda to the north. Have you not learned anything from AMT? We Americans can get free health care in the ER or just get it from one of the physicians in the neighborhood. If we do have insurance, we prefer that someone over the phone a thousand miles away, operating within the good will of the free market, make our healthcare decisions for us. I just learned from Sean Hannity last night that the riots in the U.K. are a result of entitlement programs, and that the same thing will happen in the U.S. if nothing changes. Today, I started digging my bunker.
sorry beaver, i still have not learned my place here there is no reason to dig a bunker, you can come up here. we are nice people and according to studies we live longer even with our poor socialist health care system.[/quote]
I love it up there. Great people every place I've been. Please don't build a 3000 mile fence to keep us out.[/quote]
don't worry about the fence, the odds are we would put a gate up and say please come in
come on... we both know there is a whole lot more to taxes than just federal income tax
state, county, city, regional, gas, sales, beer&wine, fica just to scratch the surface. if we include fee's the list is endless.
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I'm going to tally up my taxes... the 60% still sounds kinda high to me.
And did you know that you can write off your state and local taxes, sales taxes, property taxes and vehicle registration fees (based on the vehicles value, not including excessive gross curb weight or gas guzzler add-ons) against your gross Federal Income?
The numbers I used was what your 2010 adjusted income tax would be. 21% of your 2010 taxable income, after your Schedule A deductions (including home mortgage interests) from the gross income. To get to 60% of $100,000.00 (taxable), you need to come up with $39,000.00 in other taxes... city, state, gas, phone, sales, property, Federal Excise Taxes, etc... (most of which gets to be written off of your Federal Taxes). $39K is a LOT of money to come up with... unless you do stuff like buy a new car every month or buy a new set of tires every week... or buy a case of beer every 10 minutes.
The 28%... yeah, i can see that (an additional 9% or so). But and additional 39%? I don't know... I know mine aren't that high... and I'm about at that $100K (gross) mark.
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When you start talking about my house burning down or getting robbed I'd call that being intolerant. And again I never said I wanted to wipe the gov. out I'd just like to see some real changes to the system. So it can actually help people. The welfare system is broken. The healthcare system is broken. Social security is broken. I mean you dong have a problem with someone walking up to your family as you go into the grocery store offering to buy your groceries for .50 on the dollar? And go volunteer sometime in your local nursing home. And pay attention as to how they completely abuse the system. So I'll say it again I'm not against the system but the system needs to be completely reworked. And as far as taxes go I make around $35,000 a yr. and with all the little taxes that you don't pay attention to like 3 different taxes on my home phone line alone. Just an example. I do pay around .60 on the dollar. Taxes on gas alone are around .57 a gallon depending on where I stop and get gas. We live very modestly I refuse to pay for tv so no cable/sat. And my son is always telling me he is the only kid at school without it. I don't have a smart phone. We don't have new cars. We give what we can. And help where we can. So I have no problem helping out people in need. I don't have a problem paying taxes. I don't have a problem with the military. I just don't like big gov.
When you start talking about my house burning down or getting robbed I'd call that being intolerant. And again I never said I wanted to wipe the gov. out I'd just like to see some real changes to the system. So it can actually help people. The welfare system is broken. The healthcare system is broken. Social security is broken. I mean you dong have a problem with someone walking up to your family as you go into the grocery store offering to buy your groceries for .50 on the dollar? And go volunteer sometime in your local nursing home. And pay attention as to how they completely abuse the system. So I'll say it again I'm not against the system but the system needs to be completely reworked. And as far as taxes go I make around $35,000 a yr. and with all the little taxes that you don't pay attention to like 3 different taxes on my home phone line alone. Just an example. I do pay around .60 on the dollar. Taxes on gas alone are around .57 a gallon depending on where I stop and get gas. We live very modestly I refuse to pay for tv so no cable/sat. And my son is always telling me he is the only kid at school without it. I don't have a smart phone. We don't have new cars. We give what we can. And help where we can. So I have no problem helping out people in need. I don't have a problem paying taxes. I don't have a problem with the military. I just don't like big gov.
You pay $21,000 in taxes out of your $35,000? Sorry, that's B.S.
When you start talking about my house burning down or getting robbed I'd call that being intolerant. And again I never said I wanted to wipe the gov. out I'd just like to see some real changes to the system. So it can actually help people. The welfare system is broken. The healthcare system is broken. Social security is broken. I mean you dong have a problem with someone walking up to your family as you go into the grocery store offering to buy your groceries for .50 on the dollar? And go volunteer sometime in your local nursing home. And pay attention as to how they completely abuse the system. So I'll say it again I'm not against the system but the system needs to be completely reworked. And as far as taxes go I make around $35,000 a yr. and with all the little taxes that you don't pay attention to like 3 different taxes on my home phone line alone. Just an example. I do pay around .60 on the dollar. Taxes on gas alone are around .57 a gallon depending on where I stop and get gas. We live very modestly I refuse to pay for tv so no cable/sat. And my son is always telling me he is the only kid at school without it. I don't have a smart phone. We don't have new cars. We give what we can. And help where we can. So I have no problem helping out people in need. I don't have a problem paying taxes. I don't have a problem with the military. I just don't like big gov.
You pay $21,000 in taxes out of your $35,000? Sorry, that's B.S.
People who recieve welfare for income/food stamps/medicade don't pay taxes... That's B.S.
When you start talking about my house burning down or getting robbed I'd call that being intolerant. And again I never said I wanted to wipe the gov. out I'd just like to see some real changes to the system. So it can actually help people. The welfare system is broken. The healthcare system is broken. Social security is broken. I mean you dong have a problem with someone walking up to your family as you go into the grocery store offering to buy your groceries for .50 on the dollar? And go volunteer sometime in your local nursing home. And pay attention as to how they completely abuse the system. So I'll say it again I'm not against the system but the system needs to be completely reworked. And as far as taxes go I make around $35,000 a yr. and with all the little taxes that you don't pay attention to like 3 different taxes on my home phone line alone. Just an example. I do pay around .60 on the dollar. Taxes on gas alone are around .57 a gallon depending on where I stop and get gas. We live very modestly I refuse to pay for tv so no cable/sat. And my son is always telling me he is the only kid at school without it. I don't have a smart phone. We don't have new cars. We give what we can. And help where we can. So I have no problem helping out people in need. I don't have a problem paying taxes. I don't have a problem with the military. I just don't like big gov.
You pay $21,000 in taxes out of your $35,000? Sorry, that's B.S.
People who recieve welfare for income/food stamps/medicade don't pay taxes... That's B.S.
When you start talking about my house burning down or getting robbed I'd call that being intolerant. And again I never said I wanted to wipe the gov. out I'd just like to see some real changes to the system. So it can actually help people. The welfare system is broken. The healthcare system is broken. Social security is broken. I mean you dong have a problem with someone walking up to your family as you go into the grocery store offering to buy your groceries for .50 on the dollar? And go volunteer sometime in your local nursing home. And pay attention as to how they completely abuse the system. So I'll say it again I'm not against the system but the system needs to be completely reworked. And as far as taxes go I make around $35,000 a yr. and with all the little taxes that you don't pay attention to like 3 different taxes on my home phone line alone. Just an example. I do pay around .60 on the dollar. Taxes on gas alone are around .57 a gallon depending on where I stop and get gas. We live very modestly I refuse to pay for tv so no cable/sat. And my son is always telling me he is the only kid at school without it. I don't have a smart phone. We don't have new cars. We give what we can. And help where we can. So I have no problem helping out people in need. I don't have a problem paying taxes. I don't have a problem with the military. I just don't like big gov.
You pay $21,000 in taxes out of your $35,000? Sorry, that's B.S.
People who recieve welfare for income/food stamps/medicade don't pay taxes... That's B.S.
All people on foodstamps/welfare/medicade never have jobs? never had taxable income and never will? :? haha!
I understand the taxes on things like your phone bill... but, seriously... add them up. What is the total per month? Multiply that by 12. What is the total?
My electric bill, for example... $0.07 a month in tax. $0.84 anually in additional taxes. That means I need to have $138,999.16 in other taxes if my 2010 taxable income is $100,000.00. Sound like kind of a lot.
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And we all understand that there is abuse in the system. But, instead of going after a system that actually helps a lot of people... how about going after the ones that abuse the system? Including the retailers (i.e. Mom and Pop small businesses) that participate in and make money from the cheaters... like the doctors and lawyers who cheat Medicare.
Personally, I don't care so much that they are taking my tax dollars... I am more concerned that they are taking money/food from people who REALLY need it. i think punishing the whole because of the actions of a few will nt do anyone any good.
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After watching the board over the last couple days I just wanted to thank everyone for confirming my beliefs. I don't follow the label game of society it's part of the problem with this country. Conservative,liberal,democrat,republican,
straight,gay,black,white,Hispanic,poor,rich,
religious,atheist,and all the other labels society says we have to wear around our neck. As long as everyone plays the label game they will keep fighting amongst themselves. Instead of actually trying to do some good for their community and country. But pay me no attention I'm just an American construction worker with a deadbeat job and no future(as referee to in another thread). But I don't depend on gov. for healthcare,retirement,cell phone,Internet, or any other privileges life has to offer. I work for it just like generations past. And I work hard for it. And you know what it makes me feel good when I get home at night. I'm all for helping people out. But at some point people have to help themselves. It's not the federal gov. job to take care of the individual its up to the individual and the community.
So I guess you're labeling the current generation as dependent on the government and lacking a work ethic?
YES. Just look at the people on this board. The only good government is bigger government.
If you speak of limiting gov't, they whine about policemen and teachers and "infrastructure", as if our country would fall apart if some roadcrew got its budget trimmed.
well our bridges and roads are falling apart. at least in the older cities and areas of the country.
and the person mentioning government regulations is spot on. regulations, thing like OSHA (sic?) protect workers like yourself. that is so-called big government and not wasteful spending.
personally i think all government should get out of the pensions business. let the workers pay to support their own retirement funds like the rest of the us. that concept is outdated.
oh and teachers should work 12 months a year with regular vacations like the rest of american workers. surely we can find things in the communities for teachers to do during the summers. we pay their salaries why do we let them work only 9 months a year? it's an inefficient pratice rooted in the past in my opinion.
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I would label you a freaking pimp!
awesome post
I don't get it, are you for the programs but think the government runs them poorly? Or just against the programs?
he says he doesn't need the government but uses them and their services at every turn.
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come on...
we both know there is a whole lot more to taxes than just federal income tax
state, county, city, regional, gas, sales, beer&wine, fica just to scratch the surface. if we include fee's the list is endless.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_Freedom_Day
Year TFD Percentage tax burden
1900 January 22 5.9%
1910 January 19 5.0%
1920 February 13 12.0%
1930 February 12 11.7%
1940 March 7 17.9%
1950 March 31 24.6%
1960 April 11 27.7%
1970 April 19 29.6%
1980 April 21 30.4%
1990 April 21 30.4%
2000 May 1 33.0%
2001 April 27 31.8%
2002 April 17 29.2%
2003 April 14 28.4%
2004 April 15 28.5%
2005 April 21 30.2%
2006 April 24 31.2%
2007 April 24 31.1%
2008 April 16 29.0%
2009 April 8 26.6%
2010 April 9 26.9%
2011 April 12 28.0%
28% is fine with me, maybe even a little low. 43% of Americans think their federal taxes are "about right" and 4% say it's "too low". 57% say what they pay is fair. 59% think upper income pay too little. 44% making over $250,000 say it's fair.
Sadly sometimes it has to. Not saying that's a good thing.
OK. And luckily, the vast majority of America isn't on welfare.
As opposed to the insurance companies that are in charge of it now whose only mandate is to make money? Yeah... actually... coming from Canada and knowing how much better their system works... I'm quite comfortable with the government handling my health insurance. And NOBODY has said the Government will be in charge of your healthcare... just paying for it. Your treatment should be up to you and your doctor... unlike now when it's up to some guy at your insurance company whose job it is to find a loophole to cut off your coverage.
American HUMAN BEING. Think thats label enough.
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Those are great descriptions, and I agree with Smellyman, your label is: Pimp.
great post. as a Canadian i find it funny how people still believe that the government tells us citizens what we can and can't do with our health. i have major health problems in the past and not one time did a politician tell me what i can and can't do. the final decision was mine with help from my doctor.
Um... where has someone been "intolerant" to you?
Keep your pinko agenda to the north. Have you not learned anything from AMT? We Americans can get free health care in the ER or just get it from one of the physicians in the neighborhood. If we do have insurance, we prefer that someone over the phone a thousand miles away, operating within the good will of the free market, make our healthcare decisions for us. I just learned from Sean Hannity last night that the riots in the U.K. are a result of entitlement programs, and that the same thing will happen in the U.S. if nothing changes. Today, I started digging my bunker.
Keep your pinko agenda to the north. Have you not learned anything from AMT? We Americans can get free health care in the ER or just get it from one of the physicians in the neighborhood. If we do have insurance, we prefer that someone over the phone a thousand miles away, operating within the good will of the free market, make our healthcare decisions for us. I just learned from Sean Hannity last night that the riots in the U.K. are a result of entitlement programs, and that the same thing will happen in the U.S. if nothing changes. Today, I started digging my bunker.[/quote]
sorry beaver, i still have not learned my place here
Keep your pinko agenda to the north. Have you not learned anything from AMT? We Americans can get free health care in the ER or just get it from one of the physicians in the neighborhood. If we do have insurance, we prefer that someone over the phone a thousand miles away, operating within the good will of the free market, make our healthcare decisions for us. I just learned from Sean Hannity last night that the riots in the U.K. are a result of entitlement programs, and that the same thing will happen in the U.S. if nothing changes. Today, I started digging my bunker.[/quote]
sorry beaver, i still have not learned my place here
I love it up there. Great people every place I've been. Please don't build a 3000 mile fence to keep us out.
sorry beaver, i still have not learned my place here
I love it up there. Great people every place I've been. Please don't build a 3000 mile fence to keep us out.[/quote]
don't worry about the fence, the odds are we would put a gate up and say please come in
I'm going to tally up my taxes... the 60% still sounds kinda high to me.
And did you know that you can write off your state and local taxes, sales taxes, property taxes and vehicle registration fees (based on the vehicles value, not including excessive gross curb weight or gas guzzler add-ons) against your gross Federal Income?
The numbers I used was what your 2010 adjusted income tax would be. 21% of your 2010 taxable income, after your Schedule A deductions (including home mortgage interests) from the gross income. To get to 60% of $100,000.00 (taxable), you need to come up with $39,000.00 in other taxes... city, state, gas, phone, sales, property, Federal Excise Taxes, etc... (most of which gets to be written off of your Federal Taxes). $39K is a LOT of money to come up with... unless you do stuff like buy a new car every month or buy a new set of tires every week... or buy a case of beer every 10 minutes.
The 28%... yeah, i can see that (an additional 9% or so). But and additional 39%? I don't know... I know mine aren't that high... and I'm about at that $100K (gross) mark.
Hail, Hail!!!
You pay $21,000 in taxes out of your $35,000? Sorry, that's B.S.
Blockhead, do you think he pays $21,000 in taxes?
All people on foodstamps/welfare/medicade never have jobs? never had taxable income and never will? :? haha!
My electric bill, for example... $0.07 a month in tax. $0.84 anually in additional taxes. That means I need to have $138,999.16 in other taxes if my 2010 taxable income is $100,000.00. Sound like kind of a lot.
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And we all understand that there is abuse in the system. But, instead of going after a system that actually helps a lot of people... how about going after the ones that abuse the system? Including the retailers (i.e. Mom and Pop small businesses) that participate in and make money from the cheaters... like the doctors and lawyers who cheat Medicare.
Personally, I don't care so much that they are taking my tax dollars... I am more concerned that they are taking money/food from people who REALLY need it. i think punishing the whole because of the actions of a few will nt do anyone any good.
Hail, Hail!!!
well our bridges and roads are falling apart. at least in the older cities and areas of the country.
and the person mentioning government regulations is spot on. regulations, thing like OSHA (sic?) protect workers like yourself. that is so-called big government and not wasteful spending.
personally i think all government should get out of the pensions business. let the workers pay to support their own retirement funds like the rest of the us. that concept is outdated.
oh and teachers should work 12 months a year with regular vacations like the rest of american workers. surely we can find things in the communities for teachers to do during the summers. we pay their salaries why do we let them work only 9 months a year? it's an inefficient pratice rooted in the past in my opinion.