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Cosmo

cross7806 wrote:

And do you care to elaborate? And also explain how logistically can they take care of every individual? And also can you name one thing the federal gov. has done right in the last 100 yrs.? I'm sorry but I like to be self sustaining and take care of my family and help others out as much ad possible. I don't need big brother to tell me what's right & what's wrong. I don't rely on the federal gov. because what they give you they can also take away at any point in time with no warning.

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1911-2011
WWI and WWII... should have been fought by neighborhood watch groups.
We were able to send a tiny metal box to the Moon, with some humans in it.. and successfully got them back again. Does that count for something? We did get Tang and Velcro out of the deal.
Something that government didn't do was step up and help New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina. But, I guess those people should have really watched out for themselves and done some disaster preparedness. Stashing their provisions in the basement or garage... bad idea. What they should have done was stored their privisions in their penthouses. So, I suppose, letting them die on their roofs would have been the sensible thing to do.
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But, yeah... I don't expect much from our government, personally... but, I have no problem with my tax dollars going out to help my fellow Americans that are down on their luck... even if they live on the other side of my nation. I don't get around to Mississippi much.... what, being out here on the West Coast. So, if there is some starving guy over there, I have no problem with my government helping out my citizens.

Prince Of Dorkness

Cosmo wrote:

Something that government didn't do was step up and help New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina. But, I guess those people should have really watched out for themselves and done some disaster preparedness. Stashing their provisions in the basement or garage... bad idea. What they should have done was stored their privisions in their penthouses. So, I suppose, letting them die on their roofs would have been the sensible thing to do.
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But, yeah... I don't expect much from our government, personally... but, I have no problem with my tax dollars going out to help my fellow Americans that are down on their luck... even if they live on the other side of my nation. I don't get around to Mississippi much.... what, being out here on the West Coast. So, if there is some starving guy over there, I have no problem with my government helping out my citizens.

Thanks so much for that. I get so tired of people who claim American is the greatest country in the world and then cry out loud about having to pay taxes to KEEP it from turning into Somalia.

Cosmo

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

Thanks so much for that. I get so tired of people who claim American is the greatest country in the world and then cry out loud about having to pay taxes to KEEP it from turning into Somalia.

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I also get confused when I hear about our military might and how great we are... and how powerful we are... and how much we love our troops. A Military that is run by the government and paid for with our taxes. Doesn't the military serve a purpose... protect us?
I know, nowadays, they are being grossly misused... but, since the whole of our society funds and supports our military... shouldn't that be dismantled because of its socialist implications? Would we be better off if we got rid of our military and all of the defense spending.

cross7806

I'm glad you guys know so much about me. We've never met I don't know your names. Maybe we should be introduced sometime. No don't worry I'm not going to report you for the personal attacks it's alright I've got thick skin. But anyways. No I've never been to church. I dont believe in religion. I've been on welfare before and we worked our asses off to get off of it. We need government for infrastructure and "some" regulations. That has nothing to do with taking care of the individual. Oh and in case you didn't see in my above post I donate money and time to help people out when I can. And yes I'm supposed to report that to big brother. And you don't like war but are willing to use as a good thing the gov. did? Kinda hypocritical just saying. They don't build roads for the individual they build them for the better of the country. And ad far ad Katrina goes that's some sad shit there. And is a perfect example of what I reffered to earlier. The gov. screws just about anything they are involved in. I mean you really want these guys telling you what you can and can't do for yourself if you got sick for some unknown reason? I don't. And I also went down to N.O. after Katrina for work. Does that make me evil because I got a chance to make some good money. And WOW is all I gotta say about the gov money wasted in the aftermath. So I'm sorry I'll take care of my family and do what I can for my community. But I already give the gov. 60 cents on the dollar. They don't need anymore. Just my opinion.

Cosmo

Actually... I am FOR the military... albeit, it is a socialist organization. I think that the nation as a whole benefits from a strong military... and the nation should use the military resources with the greatest of care. Those people that say shit like, 'WE should go over there and kick their asses' should be the first ones sent over there. By using 'WE' in their cause... it should include them. Instead, those out of shape, Pillbury doughboy soft bellies let our soldiers and their families bear the entire load of the War. Heaven forbid, you ask them to pay for the fucking war they support... their support usually consists of a fucking $1.00 magnet that was made in China to stick on the tailgate of their V8 pickup truck.
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The only thing about the response above... 60% taxed? You are taxed 60% of your income?
From the 2010 Tax Schedule:
Income

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Single

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Married----Marr'd Sep----HoH
99,950 to 100,000--21,702----17,356

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22,115

---

19,841
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That is taxable income.... at 21%... which means, you pay 39% in other taxes?
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Of Topic... here is the 2004 Tax Table:
Income

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Single

---

Married----Marr'd Sep----HoH
99,950 100,000---- 22,620--- 18,469

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23,504

---

20,594
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To the Tea Partiers out there... doesn't this mean you are taxed LESS? I understand, facts don't really mean much... but... come on....

Prince Of Dorkness

cross7806 wrote:

I've been on welfare before and we worked our asses off to get off of it. We need government for infrastructure and "some" regulations. That has nothing to do with taking care of the individual.

Um... actually, Welfare IS kinda the textbook definition of "taking care of the individual."

I mean you really want these guys telling you what you can and can't do for yourself if you got sick for some unknown reason? I don't.

Um... what are you talking about? I'm lost.

cross7806

Yes between local,state,and federal taxes its about .60 cents on the dollar. And yrs I also believe in the military. Back to the topic tho. Does any one else see what "labels" have done to this thread alone? Everyone is defending their label and fighting amongst each other instead of fighting to make a real change in a broken system. As long as everyone is fighting each other there will be no real change.

Cosmo

cross7806 wrote:

Yes between local,state,and federal taxes its about .60 cents on the dollar. And yrs I also believe in the military. Back to the topic tho. Does any one else see what "labels" have done to this thread alone? Everyone is defending their label and fighting amongst each other instead of fighting to make a real change in a broken system. As long as everyone is fighting each other there will be no real change.

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Labels or definitions?
Being a male... who supports our military... label or definition?
I am a male... older male... likes punk rock music... old rock style music. Works for a living... computer shit... in a cubicle... in the military/industrial complex. Surfs... used to surf more, but knows the water is dirtier than my toilet... divorced... still friends with the ex... no kids... love my job... good pay, great benefits... never been on unemployment or welfare... 30+ years seniority... voted for Carter, Reagan, Reagan, H.W.Bush, Clinton, Gore, Kerry, Obama... rides a skateboard... cusses way more than I should... owns an old Schwinn Typhoon... not even close to paying 60% in taxes... own a home... have cats... believe in personal responsibility... don't mind paying my taxes because this country has been good to me... Bachelors Degree in Business Management... programs in Oracle SQL... works mainly in UNIX... 139,000 membership number... plays guitar (barely)... votes for the candidate, ignores political party affiliation... needs a haircut... listens to Mozart... loves Renoir paintings and Banksy graffitti... first car was a '67 VW... thinks that the government should not decide who gets to marry whom... that it is a woman's choice, although hopes that abortion is her last option... loves the teachings of Christ, but have grave mistrust of the Church(es)... likes the color blue... doesn't like asparagus... hates to shave... doesn't smoke pot... used to smoke pot... thinks pot should be de-criminalized... loves camping in the mountains... not a big fan of Las Vegas... most of my wardrobe is from Costco... believes in recycling, re-using, reducing what I consume...
Labels or descriptions?

cross7806

Um... actually, Welfare IS kinda the textbook definition of "taking care of the individual."

Um... actually, Welfare is not meant nor should it be meant to sustain a family. And like I said I'm all for helping people out when they fall on hard times I've been there. I know what it's like. But the system is severely broken and needs to be fixed. It is meant to help a family or individual in need not every individual in the country .

Um... what are you talking about? I'm lost.

And I'm talking about the gov. cant do hardly anything right. Do you really want them in control of your health and your future. Do they really know you? Are they really going to do right by you and your family?

Hugh Freaking Dillon

81 wrote:

Parachute wrote:

Just look at the people on this board.

i find that insulting.

Reported

fucking AWESOME.

Reported.

Smellyman

Cosmo wrote:

cross7806 wrote:

Yes between local,state,and federal taxes its about .60 cents on the dollar. And yrs I also believe in the military. Back to the topic tho. Does any one else see what "labels" have done to this thread alone? Everyone is defending their label and fighting amongst each other instead of fighting to make a real change in a broken system. As long as everyone is fighting each other there will be no real change.

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Labels or definitions?
Being a male... who supports our military... label or definition?
I am a male... older male... likes punk rock music... old rock style music. Works for a living... computer shit... in a cubicle... in the military/industrial complex. Surfs... used to surf more, but knows the water is dirtier than my toilet... divorced... still friends with the ex... no kids... love my job... good pay, great benefits... never been on unemployment or welfare... 30+ years seniority... voted for Carter, Reagan, Reagan, H.W.Bush, Clinton, Gore, Kerry, Obama... rides a skateboard... cusses way more than I should... owns an old Schwinn Typhoon... not even close to paying 60% in taxes... own a home... have cats... believe in personal responsibility... don't mind paying my taxes because this country has been good to me... Bachelors Degree in Business Management... programs in Oracle SQL... works mainly in UNIX... 139,000 membership number... plays guitar (barely)... votes for the candidate, ignores political party affiliation... needs a haircut... listens to Mozart... loves Renoir paintings and Banksy graffitti... first car was a '67 VW... thinks that the government should not decide who gets to marry whom... that it is a woman's choice, although hopes that abortion is her last option... loves the teachings of Christ, but have grave mistrust of the Church(es)... likes the color blue... doesn't like asparagus... hates to shave... doesn't smoke pot... used to smoke pot... thinks pot should be de-criminalized... loves camping in the mountains... not a big fan of Las Vegas... most of my wardrobe is from Costco... believes in recycling, re-using, reducing what I consume...
Labels or descriptions?

I would label you a freaking pimp!

awesome post

Kraven

cross7806 wrote:

Um... actually, Welfare IS kinda the textbook definition of "taking care of the individual."

Um... actually, Welfare is not meant nor should it be meant to sustain a family. And like I said I'm all for helping people out when they fall on hard times I've been there. I know what it's like. But the system is severely broken and needs to be fixed. It is meant to help a family or individual in need not every individual in the country .

Um... what are you talking about? I'm lost.

And I'm talking about the gov. cant do hardly anything right. Do you really want them in control of your health and your future. Do they really know you? Are they really going to do right by you and your family?

I don't get it, are you for the programs but think the government runs them poorly? Or just against the programs?

Hugh Freaking Dillon

Kraven wrote:

I don't get it, are you for the programs but think the government runs them poorly? Or just against the programs?

he says he doesn't need the government but uses them and their services at every turn.

81

Cosmo wrote:

Actually... I am FOR the military... albeit, it is a socialist organization. I think that the nation as a whole benefits from a strong military... and the nation should use the military resources with the greatest of care. Those people that say shit like, 'WE should go over there and kick their asses' should be the first ones sent over there. By using 'WE' in their cause... it should include them. Instead, those out of shape, Pillbury doughboy soft bellies let our soldiers and their families bear the entire load of the War. Heaven forbid, you ask them to pay for the fucking war they support... their support usually consists of a fucking $1.00 magnet that was made in China to stick on the tailgate of their V8 pickup truck.
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The only thing about the response above... 60% taxed? You are taxed 60% of your income?
From the 2010 Tax Schedule:
Income

---

Single

---

Married----Marr'd Sep----HoH
99,950 to 100,000--21,702----17,356

---

22,115

---

19,841
...
That is taxable income.... at 21%... which means, you pay 39% in other taxes?
...
Of Topic... here is the 2004 Tax Table:
Income

---

Single

---

Married----Marr'd Sep----HoH
99,950 100,000---- 22,620--- 18,469

---

23,504

---

20,594
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To the Tea Partiers out there... doesn't this mean you are taxed LESS? I understand, facts don't really mean much... but... come on....

come on...

we both know there is a whole lot more to taxes than just federal income tax

state, county, city, regional, gas, sales, beer&wine, fica just to scratch the surface. if we include fee's the list is endless.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_Freedom_Day

Year TFD Percentage tax burden
1900 January 22 5.9%
1910 January 19 5.0%
1920 February 13 12.0%
1930 February 12 11.7%
1940 March 7 17.9%
1950 March 31 24.6%
1960 April 11 27.7%
1970 April 19 29.6%
1980 April 21 30.4%
1990 April 21 30.4%
2000 May 1 33.0%
2001 April 27 31.8%
2002 April 17 29.2%
2003 April 14 28.4%
2004 April 15 28.5%
2005 April 21 30.2%
2006 April 24 31.2%
2007 April 24 31.1%
2008 April 16 29.0%
2009 April 8 26.6%
2010 April 9 26.9%
2011 April 12 28.0%

Go Beavers

81 wrote:

Cosmo wrote:

Actually... I am FOR the military... albeit, it is a socialist organization. I think that the nation as a whole benefits from a strong military... and the nation should use the military resources with the greatest of care. Those people that say shit like, 'WE should go over there and kick their asses' should be the first ones sent over there. By using 'WE' in their cause... it should include them. Instead, those out of shape, Pillbury doughboy soft bellies let our soldiers and their families bear the entire load of the War. Heaven forbid, you ask them to pay for the fucking war they support... their support usually consists of a fucking $1.00 magnet that was made in China to stick on the tailgate of their V8 pickup truck.
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The only thing about the response above... 60% taxed? You are taxed 60% of your income?
From the 2010 Tax Schedule:
Income

---

Single

---

Married----Marr'd Sep----HoH
99,950 to 100,000--21,702----17,356

---

22,115

---

19,841
...
That is taxable income.... at 21%... which means, you pay 39% in other taxes?
...
Of Topic... here is the 2004 Tax Table:
Income

---

Single

---

Married----Marr'd Sep----HoH
99,950 100,000---- 22,620--- 18,469

---

23,504

---

20,594
...
To the Tea Partiers out there... doesn't this mean you are taxed LESS? I understand, facts don't really mean much... but... come on....

come on...

we both know there is a whole lot more to taxes than just federal income tax

state, county, city, regional, gas, sales, beer&wine, fica just to scratch the surface. if we include fee's the list is endless.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_Freedom_Day

Year TFD Percentage tax burden
1900 January 22 5.9%
1910 January 19 5.0%
1920 February 13 12.0%
1930 February 12 11.7%
1940 March 7 17.9%
1950 March 31 24.6%
1960 April 11 27.7%
1970 April 19 29.6%
1980 April 21 30.4%
1990 April 21 30.4%
2000 May 1 33.0%
2001 April 27 31.8%
2002 April 17 29.2%
2003 April 14 28.4%
2004 April 15 28.5%
2005 April 21 30.2%
2006 April 24 31.2%
2007 April 24 31.1%
2008 April 16 29.0%
2009 April 8 26.6%
2010 April 9 26.9%
2011 April 12 28.0%

28% is fine with me, maybe even a little low. 43% of Americans think their federal taxes are "about right" and 4% say it's "too low". 57% say what they pay is fair. 59% think upper income pay too little. 44% making over $250,000 say it's fair.

Prince Of Dorkness

cross7806 wrote:

Um... actually, Welfare is not meant nor should it be meant to sustain a family.

Sadly sometimes it has to. Not saying that's a good thing.

d. It is meant to help a family or individual in need not every individual in the country .

OK. And luckily, the vast majority of America isn't on welfare.

And I'm talking about the gov. cant do hardly anything right. Do you really want them in control of your health and your future. Do they really know you? Are they really going to do right by you and your family?

As opposed to the insurance companies that are in charge of it now whose only mandate is to make money? Yeah... actually... coming from Canada and knowing how much better their system works... I'm quite comfortable with the government handling my health insurance. And NOBODY has said the Government will be in charge of your healthcare... just paying for it. Your treatment should be up to you and your doctor... unlike now when it's up to some guy at your insurance company whose job it is to find a loophole to cut off your coverage.

mickeyrat

Cosmo wrote:

cross7806 wrote:

Yes between local,state,and federal taxes its about .60 cents on the dollar. And yrs I also believe in the military. Back to the topic tho. Does any one else see what "labels" have done to this thread alone? Everyone is defending their label and fighting amongst each other instead of fighting to make a real change in a broken system. As long as everyone is fighting each other there will be no real change.

...
Labels or definitions?
Being a male... who supports our military... label or definition?
I am a male... older male... likes punk rock music... old rock style music. Works for a living... computer shit... in a cubicle... in the military/industrial complex. Surfs... used to surf more, but knows the water is dirtier than my toilet... divorced... still friends with the ex... no kids... love my job... good pay, great benefits... never been on unemployment or welfare... 30+ years seniority... voted for Carter, Reagan, Reagan, H.W.Bush, Clinton, Gore, Kerry, Obama... rides a skateboard... cusses way more than I should... owns an old Schwinn Typhoon... not even close to paying 60% in taxes... own a home... have cats... believe in personal responsibility... don't mind paying my taxes because this country has been good to me... Bachelors Degree in Business Management... programs in Oracle SQL... works mainly in UNIX... 139,000 membership number... plays guitar (barely)... votes for the candidate, ignores political party affiliation... needs a haircut... listens to Mozart... loves Renoir paintings and Banksy graffitti... first car was a '67 VW... thinks that the government should not decide who gets to marry whom... that it is a woman's choice, although hopes that abortion is her last option... loves the teachings of Christ, but have grave mistrust of the Church(es)... likes the color blue... doesn't like asparagus... hates to shave... doesn't smoke pot... used to smoke pot... thinks pot should be de-criminalized... loves camping in the mountains... not a big fan of Las Vegas... most of my wardrobe is from Costco... believes in recycling, re-using, reducing what I consume...
Labels or descriptions?

Took me a minute but I got it!!!!


American HUMAN BEING. Think thats label enough.

JonnyPistachio

Cosmo wrote:

cross7806 wrote:

Yes between local,state,and federal taxes its about .60 cents on the dollar. And yrs I also believe in the military. Back to the topic tho. Does any one else see what "labels" have done to this thread alone? Everyone is defending their label and fighting amongst each other instead of fighting to make a real change in a broken system. As long as everyone is fighting each other there will be no real change.

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Labels or definitions?
Being a male... who supports our military... label or definition?
I am a male... older male... likes punk rock music... old rock style music. Works for a living... computer shit... in a cubicle... in the military/industrial complex. Surfs... used to surf more, but knows the water is dirtier than my toilet... divorced... still friends with the ex... no kids... love my job... good pay, great benefits... never been on unemployment or welfare... 30+ years seniority... voted for Carter, Reagan, Reagan, H.W.Bush, Clinton, Gore, Kerry, Obama... rides a skateboard... cusses way more than I should... owns an old Schwinn Typhoon... not even close to paying 60% in taxes... own a home... have cats... believe in personal responsibility... don't mind paying my taxes because this country has been good to me... Bachelors Degree in Business Management... programs in Oracle SQL... works mainly in UNIX... 139,000 membership number... plays guitar (barely)... votes for the candidate, ignores political party affiliation... needs a haircut... listens to Mozart... loves Renoir paintings and Banksy graffitti... first car was a '67 VW... thinks that the government should not decide who gets to marry whom... that it is a woman's choice, although hopes that abortion is her last option... loves the teachings of Christ, but have grave mistrust of the Church(es)... likes the color blue... doesn't like asparagus... hates to shave... doesn't smoke pot... used to smoke pot... thinks pot should be de-criminalized... loves camping in the mountains... not a big fan of Las Vegas... most of my wardrobe is from Costco... believes in recycling, re-using, reducing what I consume...
Labels or descriptions?

:thumbup:
Those are great descriptions, and I agree with Smellyman, your label is: Pimp.

cross7806

I'm sure glad their is open minds and tolerance towards others on this train wow I would hate to see what it would be like if there weren't any. Lol

fife

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

cross7806 wrote:

Um... actually, Welfare is not meant nor should it be meant to sustain a family.

Sadly sometimes it has to. Not saying that's a good thing.

d. It is meant to help a family or individual in need not every individual in the country .

OK. And luckily, the vast majority of America isn't on welfare.

And I'm talking about the gov. cant do hardly anything right. Do you really want them in control of your health and your future. Do they really know you? Are they really going to do right by you and your family?

As opposed to the insurance companies that are in charge of it now whose only mandate is to make money? Yeah... actually... coming from Canada and knowing how much better their system works... I'm quite comfortable with the government handling my health insurance. And NOBODY has said the Government will be in charge of your healthcare... just paying for it. Your treatment should be up to you and your doctor... unlike now when it's up to some guy at your insurance company whose job it is to find a loophole to cut off your coverage.

great post. as a Canadian i find it funny how people still believe that the government tells us citizens what we can and can't do with our health. i have major health problems in the past and not one time did a politician tell me what i can and can't do. the final decision was mine with help from my doctor.