i disagree dimitris.. this looting and mindless violence that is taking place is not an expression of democracy. the army is there for defense.. i see no difference if the threat comes from within or without.
the majority of these idiots couldn't spell democracy... they are only doing for this for new trainers, jeans, phones or a TV.
One guy had a sack of rice. Some girls had armfuls of crisps. Some kid was riding away with a shopping basket of cola.
115 bucks for half a haircut by a novice? I want my money back!
i disagree dimitris.. this looting and mindless violence that is taking place is not an expression of democracy. the army is there for defense.. i see no difference if the threat comes from within or without.
if they use army in this....will use it as well easily in the next strike,the next demostration...for defense as u said...
strikes do not need defending against. nor do demonstrations as a rule. what is happening in the england is rioting for riotings sake. its gotten so far out of hand the police seem hamstrung. im sure theyd dearly love to use the force needed to quell the violence. these people need to go back to their homes and take stock of the destruction theyve created. do they even know why theyre rioting anymore, or has it just become opportunistic? mob mentality is not a pretty thing.
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i disagree dimitris.. this looting and mindless violence that is taking place is not an expression of democracy. the army is there for defense.. i see no difference if the threat comes from within or without.
if they use army in this....will use it as well easily in the next strike,the next demostration...for defense as u said...
strikes do not need defending against. nor do demonstrations as a rule. what is happening in the england is rioting for riotings sake. its gotten so far out of hand the police seem hamstrung. im sure theyd dearly love to use the force needed to quell the violence. these people need to go back to their homes and take stock of the destruction theyve created. do they even know why theyre rioting anymore, or has it just become opportunistic? mob mentality is not a pretty thing.
i saw the movie in the past..if army is used...will be used in all the difficult cases..police have teams to solve it..they dont want to..they want all this hate-violence to put out..and go in peace alone..
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Why would the army be needed?!!? The problem here is that it is no longer acceptable to give someone a belt with a baton cause every little fucker has their camera phones on them looking to accuse them of battery & assault. The incident that took place in Tottenham is now a completely seperate issue to what has been happening across the UK. If this is deemed a crisis call a curfew and when the old bill come across these little scumbags they should baton charge them and not have to be afraid of the consequences. At the moment they don't fear the police or what awaits them after this all settles down (what an asbo or community service?). It pisses me off seeing the complete lack of respect for peoples property and right to earn a living.
Thats my 2 cent anyway.
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
What was the nationality of the little shit that was arrested for trying to instigate riots on Facebook?
That's right...
Scottish.
that he is... still doesnt detract from the fact that these are English riots... not UK. This is like when you shites claim Andy Murray to be British when he's in a final... but Scottish if he gets put out 1st round
instigating a riot and being part of one are two separate things.
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
Thats ok.. when you have a sporting event like Sydney Olympics or Melbourne Grand Prix we just call it Convict Island Playtime.
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
What was the nationality of the little shit that was arrested for trying to instigate riots on Facebook?
That's right...
Scottish.
that he is... still doesnt detract from the fact that these are English riots... not UK. This is like when you shites claim Andy Murray to be British when he's in a final... but Scottish if he gets put out 1st round
Similarly Murray is only Scottish when he wins, yet British when he loses!
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Why would the army be needed?!!? The problem here is that it is no longer acceptable to give someone a belt with a baton cause every little fucker has their camera phones on them looking to accuse them of battery & assault. The incident that took place in Tottenham is now a completely seperate issue to what has been happening across the UK. If this is deemed a crisis call a curfew and when the old bill come across these little scumbags they should baton charge them and not have to be afraid of the consequences. At the moment they don't fear the police or what awaits them after this all settles down (what an asbo or community service?). It pisses me off seeing the complete lack of respect for peoples property and right to earn a living.
Thats my 2 cent anyway.
fixed.
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and with that, i recommend fixing the rioters with a whack from a baseball bat.
'...Why am I surprised that these young people behave destructively, "mindlessly", motivated only by self-interest? How should we describe the actions of the city bankers who brought our economy to its knees in 2010? Altruistic? Mindful? Kind? But then again, they do wear suits, so they deserve to be bailed out, perhaps that's why not one of them has been imprisoned. And they got away with a lot more than a few fucking pairs of trainers.
These young people have no sense of community because they haven't been given one. They have no stake in society because Cameron's mentor Margaret Thatcher told us there's no such thing.
If we don't want our young people to tear apart our communities then don't let people in power tear apart the values that hold our communities together...'
Things were sketchy in Coventry last night.
Damage happened, looting took place, a tree was set on fire as well as a few cars; Sirens everywhere and helicopters circling. Apparently we had large groups of hooded, masked, weapon bearing youths within a mile of our house, in two directions.
Birmingham? Well, that was a war zone. Dave works just outside Birmingham and has to go through the centre (the main station; New Street) to get home. At 3:45pm, over 40 youths were walking around New Street with hoods up and scarves around their faces... at 5:45 last night, a van and a car were ignited at Moor Street trains station and over 300 youths of varying backgrounds had gathered outside New Street station with faces covered, weilding sticks and weapons such as baseball bats and crowbars, the same was seen around the Bullring shopping centre; just moments before they broke into House Of Fraser...
Luckily Dave's boss let him leave at 3:30pm. He saw the youths in New Street at 3:45 but just hopped straight on a train and got home. Words can't express how glad I was to see him.
The really sad thing? Three men (two of which were brothers) were murdered in Birmingham trying to protect their communities.
I'm not gonna lie, it's fucking scary. We don't have enough Police to help everyone.
David Cameron has A LOT to answer for.
thank you for sharing and i/we really hope things are improving for you and family. i will keep you in my thoughts!
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'...Politicians and media talking heads counter that none of that has anything to do with sociopathic teenagers smashing shop windows to walk off with plasma TVs and trainers. But where exactly did the rioters get the idea that there is no higher value than acquiring individual wealth, or that branded goods are the route to identity and self-respect?
While bankers have publicly looted the country's wealth and got away with it, it's not hard to see why those who are locked out of the gravy train might think they were entitled to help themselves to a mobile phone. Some of the rioters make the connection explicitly. "The politicians say that we loot and rob, they are the original gangsters," one told a reporter. Another explained to the BBC: "We're showing the rich people we can do what we want."
Most have no stake in a society which has shut them out or an economic model which has now run into the sand. It's already become clear that divided Britain is in no state to absorb the austerity now being administered because three decades of neoliberal capitalism have already shattered so many social bonds of work and community.
What we're now seeing across the cities of England is the reflection of a society run on greed – and a poisonous failure of politics and social solidarity. There is now a danger that rioting might feed into ethnic conflict. Meanwhile, the latest phase of the economic crisis lurching back and forth between the United States and Europe risks tipping austerity Britain into slump or prolonged stagnation. We're starting to see the devastating costs of refusing to change course.'
Striking parallels between UK riots and France 2005 unrest
Violence by predominantly young people spread quickly from the capital and prompted a clampdown by a centre-right government
Jon Henley
guardian.co.uk, Sunday 14 August 2011
The shocking events of the past week, he said, had laid bare a "profound malaise" at the heart of society, and perhaps even "a crisis of identity". But, he warned, "youths who attack … must know that they cannot break the law without being caught, judged and punished". And their parents, if they refused to "accept their responsibilities", should face sanctions too.
Authority, respect, values. David Cameron, Westminster, August 2011? Actually, it was Jacques Chirac, Paris, November 2005. Six years on, the parallels between les émeutes des banlieues de 2005 and the rioting that has rocked half a dozen Britain cities are, at the very least, striking.
"Of course they are," said Michel Fize, a sociologist at the Paris National Centre for Scientific Research who specialises in youth behaviour and urban violence. "The root causes are, essentially, the same. They may express themselves slightly differently from locality to locality, but the underlying issues are absolutely the same. Not just in France and Britain, either."
In France, the tinder was lit at 5.20pm on 27 October 2005. Police were called to a building site in Clichy-sous-Bois, a depressed suburb east of Paris, to deal with a suspected burglary. Two innocent teens heading home after a game of football decided they did not want the hassle of being questioned by the cops, and hid in an electricity substation. Half an hour later, the lights at the nearby police station flickered: Zyed Benna, 17, and Bouna Traoré, 15, had been accidentally electrocuted in the transformer.
The deaths triggered the biggest wave of civil unrest France had witnessed since 1968. That same night, 15 cars were torched in Clichy-sous-Bois, a classic French banlieue of rundown postwar high-rises that are home to 30,000 people, overwhelmingly second and third-generation immigrants whose parents arrived in France as cheap migrant labour from north Africa.
By the time the violence finally waned nearly three weeks later, 9,000 cars had been set ablaze in 250 towns and cities from Paris to Marseille, Toulouse to Rennes, Bordeaux to Strasbourg. Schools, community centres, warehouses, police stations, nurseries and even a church had been ransacked. Some 2,900 people, half of them minors, had been arrested, 126 police and firemen injured, and two more people were dead.
As in London, those who took part were, in the main, young people, from generally disadvantaged neighbourhoods, with high rates of educational failure and above-average unemployment. "There have also been very young rioters," Fize noted. "I remember in Paris six years ago, the children who were involved – as young as 10, but also many adolescents. It was the first time I'd seen that. Now London's seen it too."
The violence spread fast, first around the capital, then to other urban centres and finally to country towns. Small groups darted from the shadows, set light to a neighbour's car, and melted away. They were having a ball. Even France's feared CRS riot police were powerless: at one point, 1,400 cars across France were torched in a single night. Vigilante patrols guarded car parks and community centres.
The centre-right government responded as Britain's has: by clamping down. Police reinforcements were bussed in; courts dispensed 24-hour justice. Rioters without residence permits were deported, immigration controls tightened. After 10 nights of rioting, Chirac declared a state of emergency, allowing local officials to impose curfews and ban public gatherings. But it took heavy rain and the reopening of schools and colleges after a fortnight-long half-term break to help bring the unrest to a close.
There were, obviously, differences. France's rioters torched a lot more cars and did a lot less looting. But that was mainly because France's marginalised classes tend to live out on the far outskirts of its big cities; their equivalent in Britain live in, or close to, city centres. "The reason they didn't loot much in France," said Fize, "is because where they were rioting, there weren't any shops."
As here, the liberal left agonised as to why. Unemployment, lack of opportunity, police harrassment, and discrimination emerged as the dominant themes. Chirac subsequently acknowledged the "poison" of racial discrimination, saying it "saps the foundations of the republic", and announced a raft of measures aimed at improving the life chances of youths from disadvantaged suburbs, including 5,000 extra teachers and assistants, 10,000 scholarships, individual help with job-seeking and incentives for companies moving near to sink estates.
Not that any of these promises accomplished very much, according to Fize. "A bit of money got thrown at the problem," he said. "But this could happen again in France. The ashes are still smoldering. It just needs the spark. The political and economic systems have both failed these youths – in France, in Britain, but also in Spain, Greece. Even the Arab Spring reflects the same root problems."
For Fize, the crux lies in the lack of any real prospect of employment; the failure of education systems to prepare people for the jobs there are; the difficulties poor families experience raising children in a consumer society. "Youth has been tricked, betrayed," he said. "We tell them, get a qualification, and those qualifications are worth nothing. Families can't cope. It's hardly surprising they're revolting. It's not because you torch cars or loot that you don't have some political awareness, you know. And it's not because you're a good pupil that you won't join in."
By the way, if anyone here hasn't seen the film 'La Haine' ('The Hate) - about the day after a riot in a Parisian suburb - then you need to watch it. It's a great film.
The riots in Britain were political – and they are part of a wider global anger at governments that commit daylight robbery
Naomi Klein
guardian.co.uk, Wednesday 17 August 2011
'...As if the massive bank bailouts never happened, followed by the defiant record bonuses. Followed by the emergency G8 and G20 meetings, when the leaders decided, collectively, not to do anything to punish the bankers for any of this, nor to do anything serious to prevent a similar crisis from happening again. Instead they would all go home to their respective countries and force sacrifices on the most vulnerable. They would do this by firing public sector workers, scapegoating teachers, closing libraries, upping tuition fees, rolling back union contracts, creating rush privatisations of public assets and decreasing pensions – mix the cocktail for where you live. And who is on television lecturing about the need to give up these "entitlements"? The bankers and hedge-fund managers, of course.'
The riots in Britain were political – and they are part of a wider global anger at governments that commit daylight robbery
firstly the riots were on in England, not Britain... so she's fucked up there.
secondly, the idiots doing the rioting think Global Anger is a rapper from Detroit.
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EW0356br ... r_embedded
strikes do not need defending against. nor do demonstrations as a rule. what is happening in the england is rioting for riotings sake. its gotten so far out of hand the police seem hamstrung. im sure theyd dearly love to use the force needed to quell the violence. these people need to go back to their homes and take stock of the destruction theyve created. do they even know why theyre rioting anymore, or has it just become opportunistic? mob mentality is not a pretty thing.
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that is funny as hell....
that he is... still doesnt detract from the fact that these are English riots... not UK. This is like when you shites claim Andy Murray to be British when he's in a final... but Scottish if he gets put out 1st round
instigating a riot and being part of one are two separate things.
The news here is calling it UK Riots :?
Thats ok.. when you have a sporting event like Sydney Olympics or Melbourne Grand Prix we just call it Convict Island Playtime.
Similarly Murray is only Scottish when he wins, yet British when he loses!
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I wanna put a little fixing on it
and with that, i recommend fixing the rioters with a whack from a baseball bat.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/aug/1 ... vidcameron
'...Why am I surprised that these young people behave destructively, "mindlessly", motivated only by self-interest? How should we describe the actions of the city bankers who brought our economy to its knees in 2010? Altruistic? Mindful? Kind? But then again, they do wear suits, so they deserve to be bailed out, perhaps that's why not one of them has been imprisoned. And they got away with a lot more than a few fucking pairs of trainers.
These young people have no sense of community because they haven't been given one. They have no stake in society because Cameron's mentor Margaret Thatcher told us there's no such thing.
If we don't want our young people to tear apart our communities then don't let people in power tear apart the values that hold our communities together...'
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
thank you for sharing and i/we really hope things are improving for you and family. i will keep you in my thoughts!
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'...Politicians and media talking heads counter that none of that has anything to do with sociopathic teenagers smashing shop windows to walk off with plasma TVs and trainers. But where exactly did the rioters get the idea that there is no higher value than acquiring individual wealth, or that branded goods are the route to identity and self-respect?
While bankers have publicly looted the country's wealth and got away with it, it's not hard to see why those who are locked out of the gravy train might think they were entitled to help themselves to a mobile phone. Some of the rioters make the connection explicitly. "The politicians say that we loot and rob, they are the original gangsters," one told a reporter. Another explained to the BBC: "We're showing the rich people we can do what we want."
Most have no stake in a society which has shut them out or an economic model which has now run into the sand. It's already become clear that divided Britain is in no state to absorb the austerity now being administered because three decades of neoliberal capitalism have already shattered so many social bonds of work and community.
What we're now seeing across the cities of England is the reflection of a society run on greed – and a poisonous failure of politics and social solidarity. There is now a danger that rioting might feed into ethnic conflict. Meanwhile, the latest phase of the economic crisis lurching back and forth between the United States and Europe risks tipping austerity Britain into slump or prolonged stagnation. We're starting to see the devastating costs of refusing to change course.'
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/peter ... he-bottom/
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/aug/1 ... -parallels
Striking parallels between UK riots and France 2005 unrest
Violence by predominantly young people spread quickly from the capital and prompted a clampdown by a centre-right government
Jon Henley
guardian.co.uk, Sunday 14 August 2011
The shocking events of the past week, he said, had laid bare a "profound malaise" at the heart of society, and perhaps even "a crisis of identity". But, he warned, "youths who attack … must know that they cannot break the law without being caught, judged and punished". And their parents, if they refused to "accept their responsibilities", should face sanctions too.
Authority, respect, values. David Cameron, Westminster, August 2011? Actually, it was Jacques Chirac, Paris, November 2005. Six years on, the parallels between les émeutes des banlieues de 2005 and the rioting that has rocked half a dozen Britain cities are, at the very least, striking.
"Of course they are," said Michel Fize, a sociologist at the Paris National Centre for Scientific Research who specialises in youth behaviour and urban violence. "The root causes are, essentially, the same. They may express themselves slightly differently from locality to locality, but the underlying issues are absolutely the same. Not just in France and Britain, either."
In France, the tinder was lit at 5.20pm on 27 October 2005. Police were called to a building site in Clichy-sous-Bois, a depressed suburb east of Paris, to deal with a suspected burglary. Two innocent teens heading home after a game of football decided they did not want the hassle of being questioned by the cops, and hid in an electricity substation. Half an hour later, the lights at the nearby police station flickered: Zyed Benna, 17, and Bouna Traoré, 15, had been accidentally electrocuted in the transformer.
The deaths triggered the biggest wave of civil unrest France had witnessed since 1968. That same night, 15 cars were torched in Clichy-sous-Bois, a classic French banlieue of rundown postwar high-rises that are home to 30,000 people, overwhelmingly second and third-generation immigrants whose parents arrived in France as cheap migrant labour from north Africa.
By the time the violence finally waned nearly three weeks later, 9,000 cars had been set ablaze in 250 towns and cities from Paris to Marseille, Toulouse to Rennes, Bordeaux to Strasbourg. Schools, community centres, warehouses, police stations, nurseries and even a church had been ransacked. Some 2,900 people, half of them minors, had been arrested, 126 police and firemen injured, and two more people were dead.
As in London, those who took part were, in the main, young people, from generally disadvantaged neighbourhoods, with high rates of educational failure and above-average unemployment. "There have also been very young rioters," Fize noted. "I remember in Paris six years ago, the children who were involved – as young as 10, but also many adolescents. It was the first time I'd seen that. Now London's seen it too."
The violence spread fast, first around the capital, then to other urban centres and finally to country towns. Small groups darted from the shadows, set light to a neighbour's car, and melted away. They were having a ball. Even France's feared CRS riot police were powerless: at one point, 1,400 cars across France were torched in a single night. Vigilante patrols guarded car parks and community centres.
The centre-right government responded as Britain's has: by clamping down. Police reinforcements were bussed in; courts dispensed 24-hour justice. Rioters without residence permits were deported, immigration controls tightened. After 10 nights of rioting, Chirac declared a state of emergency, allowing local officials to impose curfews and ban public gatherings. But it took heavy rain and the reopening of schools and colleges after a fortnight-long half-term break to help bring the unrest to a close.
There were, obviously, differences. France's rioters torched a lot more cars and did a lot less looting. But that was mainly because France's marginalised classes tend to live out on the far outskirts of its big cities; their equivalent in Britain live in, or close to, city centres. "The reason they didn't loot much in France," said Fize, "is because where they were rioting, there weren't any shops."
As here, the liberal left agonised as to why. Unemployment, lack of opportunity, police harrassment, and discrimination emerged as the dominant themes. Chirac subsequently acknowledged the "poison" of racial discrimination, saying it "saps the foundations of the republic", and announced a raft of measures aimed at improving the life chances of youths from disadvantaged suburbs, including 5,000 extra teachers and assistants, 10,000 scholarships, individual help with job-seeking and incentives for companies moving near to sink estates.
Not that any of these promises accomplished very much, according to Fize. "A bit of money got thrown at the problem," he said. "But this could happen again in France. The ashes are still smoldering. It just needs the spark. The political and economic systems have both failed these youths – in France, in Britain, but also in Spain, Greece. Even the Arab Spring reflects the same root problems."
For Fize, the crux lies in the lack of any real prospect of employment; the failure of education systems to prepare people for the jobs there are; the difficulties poor families experience raising children in a consumer society. "Youth has been tricked, betrayed," he said. "We tell them, get a qualification, and those qualifications are worth nothing. Families can't cope. It's hardly surprising they're revolting. It's not because you torch cars or loot that you don't have some political awareness, you know. And it's not because you're a good pupil that you won't join in."
Here's the trailer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ions45GXlkY
Looting with the lights on
The riots in Britain were political – and they are part of a wider global anger at governments that commit daylight robbery
Naomi Klein
guardian.co.uk, Wednesday 17 August 2011
'...As if the massive bank bailouts never happened, followed by the defiant record bonuses. Followed by the emergency G8 and G20 meetings, when the leaders decided, collectively, not to do anything to punish the bankers for any of this, nor to do anything serious to prevent a similar crisis from happening again. Instead they would all go home to their respective countries and force sacrifices on the most vulnerable. They would do this by firing public sector workers, scapegoating teachers, closing libraries, upping tuition fees, rolling back union contracts, creating rush privatisations of public assets and decreasing pensions – mix the cocktail for where you live. And who is on television lecturing about the need to give up these "entitlements"? The bankers and hedge-fund managers, of course.'
firstly the riots were on in England, not Britain... so she's fucked up there.
secondly, the idiots doing the rioting think Global Anger is a rapper from Detroit.