Fox pulls Facebook post after death threats aimed @ guest

gimmesometruth27

disgusting. the comments were appalling. at least they removed it. how can anyone who claims to be a christian call for the murder of someone who is a non-believer? everyone denied that the norway shooter could ever possibly be a "christian extremist", but reading some of these comments tells me that there are some out there for sure. my question is how can christians justify or excuse the comments on that page? please click the link and read the comments.

Fox News pulls Facebook post after death threats aimed at guest

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/cutline/fox ... 22479.html

For media companies, managing online comments--particularly on stories involving race or religion--has become an often-tricky, sometimes-impossible proposition. Fox News has been dealing with this issue a lot lately.

On Friday, Fox News' Fox Nation website was forced to shut down comments on a post that referred to President Obama's 50th birthday party as a "Hip-Hop BBQ," after receiving many submissions that were racist. "We found many of the comments to be offensive and inappropriate and they have been removed," Bill Shine, the executive vice president of Fox News programming, told The Cutline on Friday.

The response followed a similar incident late last month, when Fox News' Facebook page received a deluge of hateful comments after Blair Scott, the communications director for American Atheists, appeared as a guest on Fox's "America Live" to discuss the group's lawsuit seeking to halt the inclusion of a crucifix at the World Trade Center Memorial.

The network deleted the post after identifying more than 200 threatening comments--including death threats aimed at Scott. Fox News has more than 2.2 million Facebook fans.

"We make every attempt to keep our Facebook page as safe as possible," Peter Drace, Fox News VP and creative director of promotion, said in a statement to The Cutline. "And we take immediate steps to remove all hateful and dangerous language."

Blair appeared on Fox on July 28; the post, which appeared on the Fox Facebook page later that night, was removed early on July 30, Fox said--but not before an atheist blogger managed to capture screenshots.

Fox Nation was able to close the comments section on the "Hip-Hop BBQ" post. But on Facebook, users do not have the ability to prevent other users from commenting on shared links. They either have to delete comments individually--an arduous process that involves constant monitoring of your Facebook wall--or delete the link entirely, as Fox opted to do.

A quick scan of Fox News' Facebook page, however, shows that monitoring offensive comments is a 24/7 job.

Of course, Fox News isn't alone in the offensive comment battle. Late week, New York magazine removed a video featuring sixth graders explaining the congressional debt ceiling deal. "After some negative reactions to the video, we've taken it offline," the magazine said.





here is the link to the screenshots. the comments are pretty disturbing. please do not comment in this thread unless you read the comments. the thread is about the comments and the contention that those who believe in jesus can call for someone who does not share their beliefs to be killed. thank you..

Fox News Facebook Page Gets 8,000 Death Threats

http://www.allfacebook.com/fox-news-fac ... ts-2011-08

The Fox News Facebook page got over 8,000 death threats posted on its wall after the Communications Director for the American Atheists, Blair Scott, appeared on the network’s “America Live” discussing the group’s lawsuit hoping to stop the erection of a crucifix at the World Trade Center Memorial.

The admins of Fox’s Facebook page worked furiously to delete the hateful posts, but not before the atheist blogger behind One Man’s Blog managed to capture screenshots, some of which we’ve reproduced below.

please click above link to see it....the image is too large to post here...

The atheists’ lawsuit filed last month contends that the 9/11 display of the cross is unconstitutional for “mingling of church and state.”

The group is adamant about the fact that no other religions or philosophies will be honored if the city moves forward with its plans to erect the religious symbol.

Organizers of the 9/11 museum, feel that the cross, which is a symbol of hope for many, should have a place at the memorial. And then, there are those other folks who passionately disagree with Scott’s group and who are behaving in a manner that is contrary to their religion fundamentals.

Christians are up in arms about Blair’s television appearance and have waged an all-out war against his possibly blocking the memorial’s plans. Reportedly, by the time Blair returned to his office, his voicemail was full to capacity with threat messages from Christians who were seething with hatred.

Some legal experts have referred to the recent religious conflict “absurd” because parts of the lawsuit names four atheists who suffered dyspepsia, symptoms of depression, headaches, anxiety, and mental pain and anguish from the knowledge, that they are made to feel officially excluded from the ranks of citizens, who were directly injured by the 9/11 attack.

“They want their day in court, I don’t think it’s going to be a long day,” Jay Sekoulow, chief counsel for the American Center for Law and Justice chief counsel, who plans on filing a brief in opposition to the atheist group’s lawsuit, told the New York Times.

WG111614

it doesn't surprise me at all anymore that people who believe old, outdated fairytales and myths for literal and absolute truth also feel justified in their violence and hate towards anyone different from them. They all believe that god's punishment of a torture-filled hell (often for blasphemies like logic and reason) is fitting for people who don't believe in bullshit superstitions like they do. Religion is the most offensive bullshit ever created and even so-called moderates are fooling themselves big-time. There was no Jesus, the bible is racist bullshit that shouldn't pass anyone's sniff-test for shit, yet it's rules the world and turns a blind eye to all real suffering in the world.

and it shouldn't surprise anyone that foxnews is a haven of racist assholes who like to suck corporate cock.

fuck

WG111614 wrote:

it doesn't surprise me at all anymore that people who believe old, outdated fairytales and myths for literal and absolute truth also feel justified in their violence and hate towards anyone different from them. They all believe that god's punishment of a torture-filled hell (often for blasphemies like logic and reason) is fitting for people who don't believe in bullshit superstitions like they do. Religion is the most offensive bullshit ever created and even so-called moderates are fooling themselves big-time. There was no Jesus, the bible is racist bullshit that shouldn't pass anyone's sniff-test for shit, yet it's rules the world and turns a blind eye to all real suffering in the world.

It's too bad that those of us who do believe in religion can't be as smart as you. I mean, through your small study of probably just one religion (Christianity, and even that from the way you speak I can tell you barely studied it all), you were able to discern that the entire thing is mind-numbing, brainwashing bullshit! Incredible! Did you do this before or after you founded the theory of quantum physics, o brilliant one?? I mean, clearly if you believe in religion and a God it means you believe in fairy tales. There is just no other way around it. You nailed it. And of course, religion turns a blind eye to all suffering in the world. When has religion ever done any good? Those people like you who are historians and religious studies experts can tell those of us who spend all day doing nothing but praying and reenacting Adam and Eve's story in interpretive dance can tell us that, right? On the other hand, all the secular people and secular regimes and atheists in this world have done good. That's the right of it. Any good in this world is from non-religionists, and bad is from religionists. Oh, then you will say, "don't put words in my mouth, of course there is bad from non-religionists." So then, it is o.k. for you non-religionists to have bad people in your group, but it is not o.k. for religionists to have bad people in theirs? Why? because for those with religion, their badness stems from their religion. for those non-religionists, theirs comes from just some inherent fuck up. because they don't subscribe to an ideology. but to subscribe to no ideology is still an ideology. so how do you explain this paradox? oh, you don't! you just point to more religious people doing stupid or condemnable things and yell "look here look here look here." Thanks for the conversation, it's been thoughtful.

Parachute

fuck wrote:

WG111614 wrote:

it doesn't surprise me at all anymore that people who believe old, outdated fairytales and myths for literal and absolute truth also feel justified in their violence and hate towards anyone different from them. They all believe that god's punishment of a torture-filled hell (often for blasphemies like logic and reason) is fitting for people who don't believe in bullshit superstitions like they do. Religion is the most offensive bullshit ever created and even so-called moderates are fooling themselves big-time. There was no Jesus, the bible is racist bullshit that shouldn't pass anyone's sniff-test for shit, yet it's rules the world and turns a blind eye to all real suffering in the world.

It's too bad that those of us who do believe in religion can't be as smart as you. I mean, through your small study of probably just one religion (Christianity, and even that from the way you speak I can tell you barely studied it all), you were able to discern that the entire thing is mind-numbing, brainwashing bullshit! Incredible! Did you do this before or after you founded the theory of quantum physics, o brilliant one?? I mean, clearly if you believe in religion and a God it means you believe in fairy tales. There is just no other way around it. You nailed it. And of course, religion turns a blind eye to all suffering in the world. When has religion ever done any good? Those people like you who are historians and religious studies experts can tell those of us who spend all day doing nothing but praying and reenacting Adam and Eve's story in interpretive dance can tell us that, right? On the other hand, all the secular people and secular regimes and atheists in this world have done good. That's the right of it. Any good in this world is from non-religionists, and bad is from religionists. Oh, then you will say, "don't put words in my mouth, of course there is bad from non-religionists." So then, it is o.k. for you non-religionists to have bad people in your group, but it is not o.k. for religionists to have bad people in theirs? Why? because for those with religion, their badness stems from their religion. for those non-religionists, theirs comes from just some inherent fuck up. because they don't subscribe to an ideology. but to subscribe to no ideology is still an ideology. so how do you explain this paradox? oh, you don't! you just point to more religious people doing stupid or condemnable things and yell "look here look here look here." Thanks for the conversation, it's been thoughtful.

I love this. Thank you for posting.

catefrances

fuck wrote:

WG111614 wrote:

it doesn't surprise me at all anymore that people who believe old, outdated fairytales and myths for literal and absolute truth also feel justified in their violence and hate towards anyone different from them. They all believe that god's punishment of a torture-filled hell (often for blasphemies like logic and reason) is fitting for people who don't believe in bullshit superstitions like they do. Religion is the most offensive bullshit ever created and even so-called moderates are fooling themselves big-time. There was no Jesus, the bible is racist bullshit that shouldn't pass anyone's sniff-test for shit, yet it's rules the world and turns a blind eye to all real suffering in the world.

It's too bad that those of us who do believe in religion can't be as smart as you. I mean, through your small study of probably just one religion (Christianity, and even that from the way you speak I can tell you barely studied it all), you were able to discern that the entire thing is mind-numbing, brainwashing bullshit! Incredible! Did you do this before or after you founded the theory of quantum physics, o brilliant one?? I mean, clearly if you believe in religion and a God it means you believe in fairy tales. There is just no other way around it. You nailed it. And of course, religion turns a blind eye to all suffering in the world. When has religion ever done any good? Those people like you who are historians and religious studies experts can tell those of us who spend all day doing nothing but praying and reenacting Adam and Eve's story in interpretive dance can tell us that, right? On the other hand, all the secular people and secular regimes and atheists in this world have done good. That's the right of it. Any good in this world is from non-religionists, and bad is from religionists. Oh, then you will say, "don't put words in my mouth, of course there is bad from non-religionists." So then, it is o.k. for you non-religionists to have bad people in your group, but it is not o.k. for religionists to have bad people in theirs? Why? because for those with religion, their badness stems from their religion. for those non-religionists, theirs comes from just some inherent fuck up. because they don't subscribe to an ideology. but to subscribe to no ideology is still an ideology. so how do you explain this paradox? oh, you don't! you just point to more religious people doing stupid or condemnable things and yell "look here look here look here." Thanks for the conversation, it's been thoughtful.

how is an absence of ideology an ideology??? an absence of life is not life so....

pandora

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

but reading some of these comments tells me that there are some out there for sure. my question is how can christians justify or excuse the comments on that page?

Why should they have to? You can not judge a whole by a few. ...
if they don't agree why should they even address it?

Because some behavior here in the forum, by very few of the entire mass,
is mean and disrespectful, should we judge all PJ fans because of those few?

And would we need to justify or excuse them?

We have no control over what others do,
we can not support hateful behavior
and we can ignore it and we can be better loving people ourselves as an example.

I didn't read the nasty comments, I trust you, they were disgusting,
but my opinion thats not an example as a whole of Christians.

fuck

catefrances wrote:

fuck wrote:

WG111614 wrote:

it doesn't surprise me at all anymore that people who believe old, outdated fairytales and myths for literal and absolute truth also feel justified in their violence and hate towards anyone different from them. They all believe that god's punishment of a torture-filled hell (often for blasphemies like logic and reason) is fitting for people who don't believe in bullshit superstitions like they do. Religion is the most offensive bullshit ever created and even so-called moderates are fooling themselves big-time. There was no Jesus, the bible is racist bullshit that shouldn't pass anyone's sniff-test for shit, yet it's rules the world and turns a blind eye to all real suffering in the world.

It's too bad that those of us who do believe in religion can't be as smart as you. I mean, through your small study of probably just one religion (Christianity, and even that from the way you speak I can tell you barely studied it all), you were able to discern that the entire thing is mind-numbing, brainwashing bullshit! Incredible! Did you do this before or after you founded the theory of quantum physics, o brilliant one?? I mean, clearly if you believe in religion and a God it means you believe in fairy tales. There is just no other way around it. You nailed it. And of course, religion turns a blind eye to all suffering in the world. When has religion ever done any good? Those people like you who are historians and religious studies experts can tell those of us who spend all day doing nothing but praying and reenacting Adam and Eve's story in interpretive dance can tell us that, right? On the other hand, all the secular people and secular regimes and atheists in this world have done good. That's the right of it. Any good in this world is from non-religionists, and bad is from religionists. Oh, then you will say, "don't put words in my mouth, of course there is bad from non-religionists." So then, it is o.k. for you non-religionists to have bad people in your group, but it is not o.k. for religionists to have bad people in theirs? Why? because for those with religion, their badness stems from their religion. for those non-religionists, theirs comes from just some inherent fuck up. because they don't subscribe to an ideology. but to subscribe to no ideology is still an ideology. so how do you explain this paradox? oh, you don't! you just point to more religious people doing stupid or condemnable things and yell "look here look here look here." Thanks for the conversation, it's been thoughtful.

how is an absence of ideology an ideology??? an absence of life is not life so....

because it's not an absence of ideology. that's the point. "I believe in nothing" is still a belief.

catefrances

fuck wrote:

that's the point. "I believe in nothing" is still a belief.

do not mistake a non belief in something as a belief in nothing..

fuck

catefrances wrote:

fuck wrote:

that's the point. "I believe in nothing" is still a belief.

do not mistake a non belief in something as a belief in nothing..

oh my god, are you kidding me?

"I don't believe in life after death." what does this mean? It means, "I believe there is no life after death." of course, studying the english language tells us that one is more of a passive statement than the other, but the meanings are virtually the same.

Now, "I don't believe in any religion." what does this mean? do you wanna keep playing games here? atheism, secularism, in fact just being anti-religion in general is still a belief, an ideology. to claim to reject all religious ideologies is still an ideology.

gimmesometruth27

thanks for commenting on the original post everyone :roll:

gimmesometruth27

so why can't the christians respect the view of the guest that fox had on it's network instead of posting death threats? in my opinion the people that posted those comments are of the same belief system of those in any other extreme group. posting hate for the sake of hate in a (failed) attempt to make their belief system seem more virtuous..

mikepegg44

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

so why can't the christians respect the view of the guest that fox had on it's network instead of posting death threats? in my opinion the people that posted those comments are of the same belief system of those in any other extreme group. posting hate for the sake of hate in a (failed) attempt to make their belief system seem more virtuous..

Christians can respect that view...fake ones with hate in their hearts cannot...

Parachute

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

so why can't the christians respect the view of the guest that fox had on it's network instead of posting death threats? in my opinion the people that posted those comments are of the same belief system of those in any other extreme group. posting hate for the sake of hate in a (failed) attempt to make their belief system seem more virtuous..

I'd shit my pants if you would call out the Christian-bashers on this board, Gimme.

NEVER heard you stand up to them for their intolerance ONCE.

Are you afraid to stand up to intolerance? You're very brave when it comes to trashing Foxnews tho....

gimmesometruth27

fox knows it's target demographic, white, christian, "conservative"...why would they have such an obvious lightning rod of that base on a show when they know that he is going to do nothing but inflame things? it is like how alan colmes was the token democrat on the network . he was put there to make the network appear evenhanded, just like the atheist in question was put there to make them appear like they are showing all sides and giving him a platform knowing it was going to rile up it's target audience.

arq

catefrances wrote:

fuck wrote:

that's the point. "I believe in nothing" is still a belief.

do not mistake a non belief in something as a belief in nothing..

Bingo!

"If atheism is a religion, not collecting stamps is a hobby."

BinauralJam

Fuck = Awesome, which usually goes without saying!!!


Gimmie, i'm Christian, don't understand it at all, i think i can break it down for you though, we are all just a bunch of hairless apes out to defend put point of veiw and when shit hits the fan we are and always have been savage animals.

Jason P

I think we need to delineate the chasm between a "death threat" and a "internet comments section death threat".

Really, why does every news agency have a comments section anyway??? I'm OK with them because I'm a huge fan of unintentional comedy, but it's like providing gasoline and matches to a group of pyros.

Godfather.

ummmm nice thread Gimmi, for all the people that live in bubble this thread/topic should give you a good idea how Americans feel about their belief in God and their country. maybe that aithest guy should move to another country and spread his bullshit somewhere else. Gimmi I think you just opened a huge can of worms brother.

Godfather.

gimmesometruth27

Godfather. wrote:

ummmm nice thread Gimmi, for all the people that live in bubble this thread/topic should give you a good idea how Americans feel about their belief in God and their country. maybe that aithest guy should move to another country and spread his bullshit somewhere else. Gimmi I think you just opened a huge can of worms brother.

Godfather.

but we are not a christian country Godfather.

we are a secular society.

if we were a christian country we would have crucifixes and prayer in public schools and in government buildings and we would implement christ much more into our daily lives.

rather, we use our faith in christ to further divide the country and we bitch about the things that we would be doing if we were really followers of jesus, such as helping the poor, helping the sick and helping the least of our society.

for true christians shouldn't the focus be on saving souls instead of calling for people to be murdered? aren't they supposed to pray for those that think differently than they do?

i'm just sayin'...

puremagic

What pissed me off about the posters and their comments is that they used the defense of their religion to justify hate and murder. What Fox realized was that they were not just ranting about one person; they were feeding off each other like a riot-mob calling for murder. The Constitutional issue at hand was lost on them, they wanted blood.

Many people of different faiths died that day – why not use a generic symbol, like a dove, a lily, open palm hands, etc. There are many symbols that represent -rest in peace- without being exclusive to one religion.

This memorial will never be a place where people will forget what happen, it’s a place where people can visit to seek their own solace. [That got lost in the voices of hate.]

Godfather.

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

ummmm nice thread Gimmi, for all the people that live in bubble this thread/topic should give you a good idea how Americans feel about their belief in God and their country. maybe that aithest guy should move to another country and spread his bullshit somewhere else. Gimmi I think you just opened a huge can of worms brother.

Godfather.

but we are not a christian country Godfather.

we are a secular society.

if we were a christian country we would have crucifixes and prayer in public schools and in government buildings and we would implement christ much more into our daily lives.

rather, we use our faith in christ to further divide the country and we bitch about the things that we would be doing if we were really followers of jesus, such as helping the poor, helping the sick and helping the least of our society.

for true christians shouldn't the focus be on saving souls instead of calling for people to be murdered? aren't they supposed to pray for those that think differently than they do?

i'm just sayin'...

check this out.
http://www.charitychoices.com/chargive.asp


Godfather.

mysticweed

catefrances wrote:

fuck wrote:

that's the point. "I believe in nothing" is still a belief.

do not mistake a non belief in something as a belief in nothing..

and fuck, what the fuck religion are you part of?

Godfather.

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

ummmm nice thread Gimmi, for all the people that live in bubble this thread/topic should give you a good idea how Americans feel about their belief in God and their country. maybe that aithest guy should move to another country and spread his bullshit somewhere else. Gimmi I think you just opened a huge can of worms brother.

Godfather.

but we are not a christian country Godfather.

we are a secular society.

if we were a christian country we would have crucifixes and prayer in public schools and in government buildings and we would implement christ much more into our daily lives.

rather, we use our faith in christ to further divide the country and we bitch about the things that we would be doing if we were really followers of jesus, such as helping the poor, helping the sick and helping the least of our society.

for true christians shouldn't the focus be on saving souls instead of calling for people to be murdered? aren't they supposed to pray for those that think differently than they do?

i'm just sayin'...

this country started out with Christian beliefs in our laws and our money and our morals,I feel very strongly about these things and so do a whole bunch of other Americans and just because a few don't believe these things anymore does not mean we are not a Christian Country "in God we trust" "one nation under God"
"the land of the free and home of the brave" trust me we are still a Christian country bro and most proud Americans will not give that up for anybody as you can see from reading the story you posted.

Godfather.

gimmesometruth27

Godfather. wrote:

this country started out with Christian beliefs in our laws and our money and our morals,I feel very strongly about these things and so do a whole bunch of other Americans and just because a few don't believe these things anymore does not mean we are not a Christian Country "in God we trust" "one nation under God"
"the land of the free and home of the brave" trust me we are still a Christian country bro and most proud Americans will not give that up for anybody as you can see from reading the story you posted.

Godfather.

where is jesus referenced in any of our laws?

where is jesus in the constitution?

nobody is forcing atheism on you, i just don't want you forcing jesus on me, as people like you seem so eager to do. rather than pray for the guy they gang up on him and wish him death.

i don't care what you or anyone else believes. just you believe what you want and live and let live, ok?

puremagic

fuck wrote:

catefrances wrote:

fuck wrote:

that's the point. "I believe in nothing" is still a belief.

do not mistake a non belief in something as a belief in nothing..

oh my god, are you kidding me?

"I don't believe in life after death." what does this mean? It means, "I believe there is no life after death." of course, studying the english language tells us that one is more of a passive statement than the other, but the meanings are virtually the same.

Now, "I don't believe in any religion." what does this mean? do you wanna keep playing games here? atheism, secularism, in fact just being anti-religion in general is still a belief, an ideology. to claim to reject all religious ideologies is still an ideology.

Wait minute, if you were to say, ‘I believe in life after death’ and his respond was simply ‘ok’, where is the ideology? You would have to then imply your own interpretation or ask for a direct response.

Is the rejection of religion its own ideology if the rejection is based on a religion’s existing ideology?

Godfather.

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

this country started out with Christian beliefs in our laws and our money and our morals,I feel very strongly about these things and so do a whole bunch of other Americans and just because a few don't believe these things anymore does not mean we are not a Christian Country "in God we trust" "one nation under God"
"the land of the free and home of the brave" trust me we are still a Christian country bro and most proud Americans will not give that up for anybody as you can see from reading the story you posted.

Godfather.

where is jesus referenced in any of our laws?

where is jesus in the constitution?

nobody is forcing atheism on you, i just don't want you forcing jesus on me, as people like you seem so eager to do. rather than pray for the guy they gang up on him and wish him death.

i don't care what you or anyone else believes. just you believe what you want and live and let live, ok?

sorry man I got a little carryed away you're right we all can believe as we wish.

Godfather.

sachtriv

this country started out with Christian beliefs in our laws and our money and our morals,I feel very strongly about these things and so do a whole bunch of other Americans and just because a few don't believe these things anymore does not mean we are not a Christian Country "in God we trust" "one nation under God"
"the land of the free and home of the brave" trust me we are still a Christian country bro and most proud Americans will not give that up for anybody as you can see from reading the story you posted.

Godfather.

This country was most definitely not founded as a "Christian Nation"

1797 Treaty of Tripoli
As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion,—as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen,—and as the said States never entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.

The phrase "Under God" was not added to the pledge until 1954. The phrase In God We Trust wasn't added to bills until 1957.

Besides, it says "God", not Jesus. In fact, the words "Jesus Christ, Christianity, Bible, Creator, Divine, and God" are never mentioned in the Constitution-- not even once. Nowhere in the Constitution is religion mentioned, except in exclusionary terms.

"I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish Church, by the Roman Church, by the Greek Church, by the Turkish Church, by the Protestant Church, nor by any Church that I know of. My own mind is my own Church. Each of those churches accuse the other of unbelief; and for my own part, I disbelieve them all." - Thomas Paine

"Light houses are more useful than churches."-Benjamin Franklin

"This would be the best of all possible worlds if there were no religion in it."-John Adams

"Christianity is the most perverted system that ever shown on man." "In every country and in every age the priest has been hostile to liberty." "Question with boldness even the existance of a god." - Thomas Jefferson

Godfather.

sachtriv wrote:

this country started out with Christian beliefs in our laws and our money and our morals,I feel very strongly about these things and so do a whole bunch of other Americans and just because a few don't believe these things anymore does not mean we are not a Christian Country "in God we trust" "one nation under God"
"the land of the free and home of the brave" trust me we are still a Christian country bro and most proud Americans will not give that up for anybody as you can see from reading the story you posted.

Godfather.

This country was most definitely not founded as a "Christian Nation"

1797 Treaty of Tripoli
As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion,—as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen,—and as the said States never entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.

The phrase "Under God" was not added to the pledge until 1954. The phrase In God We Trust wasn't added to bills until 1957.

Besides, it says "God", not Jesus. In fact, the words "Jesus Christ, Christianity, Bible, Creator, Divine, and God" are never mentioned in the Constitution-- not even once. Nowhere in the Constitution is religion mentioned, except in exclusionary terms.

"I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish Church, by the Roman Church, by the Greek Church, by the Turkish Church, by the Protestant Church, nor by any Church that I know of. My own mind is my own Church. Each of those churches accuse the other of unbelief; and for my own part, I disbelieve them all." - Thomas Paine

"Light houses are more useful than churches."-Benjamin Franklin

"This would be the best of all possible worlds if there were no religion in it."-John Adams

"Christianity is the most perverted system that ever shown on man." "In every country and in every age the priest has been hostile to liberty." "Question with boldness even the existance of a god." - Thomas Jefferson

"Light houses are more useful than churches."-Benjamin Franklin he was a fool if really said that...imo
as for the rest of your stuff you posted I ain't buying so as it's been said before we will just have to agree to disagree...except the dates for money and God,I'm going to really look into that.

Godfather.

sachtriv

"Light houses are more useful than churches."-Benjamin Franklin he was a fool if really said that...imo
as for the rest of your stuff you posted I ain't buying so as it's been said before we will just have to agree to disagree...except the dates for money and God,I'm going to really look into that.

Godfather.

I don't understand. What's not to "buy"? Do you think I made that stuff up? Simple google or wikipedia searches can clear that up.

These are cold, hard facts. There's nothing really to "agree to disagree" about.

gimmesometruth27

sachtriv wrote:

These are cold, hard facts. There's nothing really to "agree to disagree" about.

oh just wait my friend, on this forum people will argue against the notions that the would is a sphere and that there is something called the law of gravity. they don't need facts when they have faith.

Godfather.

The phrase "Under God" was not added to the pledge until 1954. The phrase In God We Trust wasn't added to bills until 1957.

I'm pretty sure it was on gold coins as early as 1800.
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Godfather.