London's fucked

justam

What triggered this? People don't just explode for no reason! Has something recently happened that pushed them into a corner somehow? :(

Byrnzie

BALLBOY wrote:

I love London it has a been big part of my life but sadly it has been hi jacked by people who only care about themselves

Yeah, they're called bankers.

FinsburyParkCarrots

justam wrote:

What triggered this? People don't just explode for no reason! Has something recently happened that pushed them into a corner somehow? :(

Well, there's no simple cause and effect. On Thursday, a man called Mark Duggan was shot by police. Initial reports stated that he was armed and there was an exchange of gunfire. However, ballistics reports suggest that the only bullets fired - including one found in a police officer's radio originally claimed to have been fired by a gun from Duggan - were police- issue dum dum bullets. A gun was found near Duggan, but it emerged that it hadn't been fired.

An angry crowd descended on Bruce Grove police station in Tottenham on Saturday night, peacefully demanding answers. They had to wait five hours for police to appear. What happened next is sketchy. Some people say that a sixteen year- old girl who had been at the church across the road started shouting at police; others say she threw a stone. What did happen next was that she was 'set upon' by police:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YX9qZVsMQP8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcwUyZ68C0k

This incident was allegedly the event that sparked the following riots. However, after a couple of hours, looters were arriving from various locations in London to pillage and commit arson in Tottenham. Police numbers, cut by the government, were already stretched. Wilful opportunism and entrenched hatred of the police have led to mass rioting and lootings, co-ordinated via Blackberry phones and social media, across the capital and beyond. There have been three nights of rioting all over the capital now. Tonight, there are reports of riots in Birmingham, Leeds and Liverpool. The violence right now seems to have no direct connection with the circumstances and indignation regarding Duggan's death: it seems to be people erupting partly spontaneously, often psychotically, but as I say with some strange method of premeditated co-ordination between united gangs, at the expense of struggling businesses. Shopkeepers and business people have no right to bear arms, so they're defenceless while the police are stretched to breaking point.

Basically, it's mad. One could sociologise that this is an inevitable event in the evolution of late capitalism, predicted by Marx (with the underclass mimicking the aggressive thefts of the City), or one could blame the hot summer nights or interplanetary allignments. Or Yoko Ono. Fuck knows. I don't know anymore.

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps/ms?msid=2 ... 2C0.298691

justam

Thanks for a thoughtful reply Richard.

This is awful.

South of Seattle

Byrnzie wrote:

BALLBOY wrote:

I love London it has a been big part of my life but sadly it has been hi jacked by people who only care about themselves

Yeah, they're called bankers.

+1

Smellyman

South of Seattle wrote:

Byrnzie wrote:

BALLBOY wrote:

I love London it has a been big part of my life but sadly it has been hi jacked by people who only care about themselves

Yeah, they're called bankers.

+1

+2

Seeing this in Hong Kong first hand. The expat bankers thinks the sun rises and sets because of them.

81

Dread wrote:

Just idiots with nothing better to do ,using any excuse to smash and rob,pathetic

and i qoute from some douche trying to break thru a wall at lallapolllooaazzza or something like that

i'm just here for the mob, i don't care about the music.

kids now a days suck. just go look at vancouver

Byrnzie

The Dead Kennedy's - Riot

03:45 seconds: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Aw2UtpOUN0

Rioting-the unbeatable high
Adrenalin shoots your nerves to the sky
Everyone knows this town is gonna blow
And it's all gonna blow right now:.

Now you can smash all the windows that you want
All you really need are some friends and a rock
Throwing a brick never felt so damn good
Smash more glass
Scream with a laugh
And wallow with the crowds
Watch them kicking peoples' ass

But you get to the place
Where the real slavedrivers live
It's walled off by the riot squad
Aiming guns right at your head
So you turn right around
And play right into their hands
And set your own neighbourhood
Burning to the ground instead

[Chorus]
Riot-the unbeatable high
Riot-shoots your nerves to the sky
Riot-playing into their hands
Tomorrow you're homeless
Tonight it's a blast

Get your kicks in quick
They're callin' the national guard
Now could be your only chance
To torch a police car

Climb the roof, kick the siren in
And jump and yelp for joy
Quickly-dive back in the crowd
Slip away, now don't get caught

Let's loot the spiffy hi-fi store
Grab as much as you can hold
Pray your full arms don't fall off
Here comes the owner with a gun

[Chorus]

The barricades spring up from nowhere
Cops in helmets line the lines
Shotguns prod into your bellies
The trigger fingers want an excuse
Now

The raging mob has lost its nerve
There's more of us but who goes first
No one dares to cross the line
The cops know that they've won

It's all over but not quite
The pigs have just begun to fight
They club your heads, kick your teeth
Police can riot all that they please

[Chorus]

Tomorrow you're homeless
Tonight it's a blast

FiveB247x

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2TYKmQc0L4&NR=1

White riot - I wanna riot
White riot - a riot of my own
White riot - I wanna riot
White riot - a riot of my own

Black people gotta lot a problems
But they don't mind throwing a brick
White people go to school
Where they teach you how to be thick

An' everybody's doing
Just what they're told to
An' nobody wants
To go to jail!

White riot - I wanna riot
White riot - a riot of my own
White riot - I wanna riot
White riot - a riot of my own

All the power's in the hands
Of people rich enough to buy it
While we walk the street
Too chicken to even try it

Everybody's doing
Just what they're told to
Nobody wants
To go to jail!

White riot - I wanna riot
White riot - a riot of my own
White riot - I wanna riot
White riot - a riot of my own

Are you taking over
or are you taking orders?
Are you going backwards
Or are you going forwards?

redrock

It's great posting all these lyrics but in the meantime, reality means that two of my drivers have been assaulted (one in hospital), a friend had his business burnt down, another one his car torched (he is self employed and needs the car for work). Non of these people are rich, two of them have had their livelyhood taken away from them. Insurances probably won't pay for their material loss either.

There is no excuse for this.

Byrnzie

redrock wrote:

It's great posting all these lyrics but in the meantime, reality means that two of my drivers have been assaulted (one in hospital), a friend had his business burnt down, another one his car torched (he is self employed and needs the car for work). Non of these people are rich, two of them have had their livelyhood taken away from them. Insurances probably won't pay for their material loss either.

There is no excuse for this.

A lot of people always get hurt when the Tories are in Power - some directly, some indirectly.

redrock

Tories or not Byrnzie, it's fucking yobs. Nothing to do with politics or their 'circumstances'. Yobs, pure and simple. Whether there is a tory or a labour or whatever government. Many riots under labour as well (Handsworth, Birmingham, Leeds, etc....). These pieces of shit are intent on destruction/looting, etc. and will find any excuse to do so.

Byrnzie

redrock wrote:

Tories or not Byrnzie, it's fucking yobs. Nothing to do with politics or their 'circumstances'. Yobs, pure and simple. Whether there is a tory or a labour or whatever government. Many riots under labour as well (Handsworth, Birmingham, Leeds, etc....). These pieces of shit are intent on destruction/looting, etc. and will find any excuse to do so.

I suppose that's one way to dismiss them all.

Either way, the people of the inner cities can't just be brushed under the carpet.

Byrnzie

Decent article here on the problems that have led to this riots:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... unexpected

If the rioting was a surprise, people weren't looking

Yes, indefensible – but not unexpected. Clear signs of deep problems in our youth were ignored as being a black problem

Stafford Scott
guardian.co.uk, Monday 8 August 2011

It's usual practice when someone is killed that their personal details are not made public until the next of kin has been informed. Mark Duggan's family saw in headlines that he had been killed as a result of a "terrifying shoot-out". Why such a difference in treatment? I was one of those who went to Tottenham police station on Saturday, with members of his family, to get an official acknowledgement that Mark had been killed. No official confirmation had been given to the family. As a community we were outraged they were being treated with such disregard by both the Met and the IPCC.

Why, 10 years after the Macpherson inquiry reported on institutional racism in the Met, should it still occur? We are from Tottenham: we have seen Cynthia Jarrett, Joy Gardner and Roger Sylvester killed by the police and do not expect finite answers from an investigation that has barely begun. All we really wanted was an explanation of what was going on. We needed to hear directly from the police. We waited for hours outside the station for a senior officer to speak with the family, in a demonstration led by young women. A woman-only delegation went into the station, as we wanted to ensure that this did not become confrontational. It was when the young women, many with children, decided to call it a day that the atmosphere changed, and guys in the crowd started to voice and then act out their frustrations.

I am appalled, dismayed and horrified by the level of destruction that took place. I wouldn't defend the indefensible; however I would like to provide an insight into the mindset of someone willing to burn down their own neighbourhood as I believe that on this point, little has changed since the disturbances on Broadwater Farm 26 years ago.

To behave in this manner young people have to believe they have no stake in the neighbourhood, and consequently no stake in wider society. This belief is compounded when it becomes a reality over generations, as it has done for some. If the riots at the weekend and the disturbances around London today have come as a surprise to the police and that wider society, the warning signs have long been there for those of us who engage with black youths.

First, looting comes from the belief that if you cannot get equality and cannot expect justice, then you better make sure that you "get paid". "It's all about the money!" is the motto of too many young black men, who have given up all hope of attainment in a white man's world. This is an absolute belief for those looting at the weekend – borne not only out of their experiences but their parents', too. They want to follow the rappers and athletes who live ghetto-fabulous lifestyles based on natural talents, as opposed to learned skills. They can't see that coming through education: those who live on estates generally survive from one wage packet to the next. Sadly this mindset also makes it easier to legitimise the selling of drugs, as that too "brings in the money".

Another sign was when they allowed themselves to be referred to by the n-word. They weren't simply seeking to reclaim a word. They were telling the world that they were the offspring of the "field negro", not the trained "house negro" from slavery days. The field negro's sole intent was to escape, and maybe even to cause a little damage to the master and his property.

A third obvious sign of major discontent was the creation of gangs and the start of the postcode wars. Yet all of these signs were largely unheeded by wider society: all perceived to be a black problem. It's black kids killing black kids, so it's our problem to address.

On Saturday, instead of imploding and turning inward and violent among themselves, as they have been doing for the past decade, the youths exploded. The trigger may well have been the killing of Mark Duggan and the insensitive treatment of his family, but this has been brewing for some time. The government cuts – especially the withdrawal of EMA; the new barrier of tuition fees; and rising youth unemployment have all added to their sense of isolation and lack of a stake in society.

Beyond all this, the Met also has to explain to the people of Tottenham just how it allowed this to happen. Since the 1990s I have engaged with the Met and gained a working knowledge of some of its operational processes, and I know of none that can be described as "let's just leave them to it". The police seemed intent on protecting the police station, leaving everything north of it free for the rioters to loot or destroy.

More cynical community members suggest the Met might have been playing politics. The more the police stood off, the bolder the youths became. Some question whether disturbances mean police can turn to government, and dare it to cut their numbers in a time of civil unrest. But I believe that just as they bungled the operation to arrest Mark Duggan, and bungled the way they broke the news, they bungled it again.

Byrnzie

It's really not surprising that when the Tories carry out a sustained attack on the poor of Britain in order to bail out their rich banker buddies, that people's anger levels rise. Big cuts in social services...cuts in welfare payments...a tripling of university tuition fees, e.t.c.

A black man was shot in the face by police who weren't under attack - a gun was later found wrapped in a sock, so it clearly hadn't been fired - and then his family are snubbed for two days after the incident and then kept standing around outside a police station for five hours waiting for answers. Then the police attack a 16 year old girl in the street and beat her up, putting her in hospital.

And people wonder why the inner cities are now burning?

guypjfreak

mindless thugs i hope anyone living anywhere near these riots stays safe :(

Thoughts_Arrive

Two songs for today...

The Clash - London's Burning
Sex Pistols - Anarchy in the U.K

dunkman

Byrnzie wrote:

It's really not surprising that when the Tories carry out a sustained attack on the poor of Britain in order to bail out their rich banker buddies, that people's anger levels rise. Big cuts in social services...cuts in welfare payments...a tripling of university tuition fees, e.t.c.

A black man was shot in the face by police who weren't under attack - a gun was later found wrapped in a sock, so it clearly hadn't been fired - and then his family are snubbed for two days after the incident and then kept standing around outside a police station for five hours waiting for answers. Then the police attack a 16 year old girl in the street and beat her up, putting her in hospital.

And people wonder why the inner cities are now burning?

so you think its the police because they shot a man in the chest (his girfriend says he was shot in the chest) after the Police appeal for him to put down his gun? But yet you dont question why the guy had a gun in the 1st place?

Dunno about you my old amigo... but if I was faced with someone who had a gun and might or might not use it then i too would shoot them.

Anyway, the rioting and looting is simple criminality of the worst kind... you're posting articles by the Guardian and the irony being that 93.8% of these guys don't even know such a paper exists.... it's like saying that the looting of L.A. was by disgruntled youths who had been disenfranchised and hurt by the beating of Rodney King when in actuality it was because they could go out and break shit and perhaps they might get to come home with a new TV.

The Tory-Lib coalition has been in charge for one year... the disaffected youth take longer than that to get their heckles up... also these looters and thugs have no concern about the University price rises.. but of course they will have a concern over their welfare being cut as that's what they use to pay for their SKY TV.

Their is a massive difference between rioting for political freedom, dissatisfaction of government, etc etc... and what is happening in London now... even the Duggan family have stressed that they would never want this... its opportunistic thuggery at best.

dunkman

Byrnzie wrote:

redrock wrote:

Tories or not Byrnzie, it's fucking yobs. Nothing to do with politics or their 'circumstances'. Yobs, pure and simple. Whether there is a tory or a labour or whatever government. Many riots under labour as well (Handsworth, Birmingham, Leeds, etc....). These pieces of shit are intent on destruction/looting, etc. and will find any excuse to do so.

I suppose that's one way to dismiss them all.

Either way, the people of the inner cities can't just be brushed under the carpet.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Gex_ya4 ... e=youtu.be

seriously everyone should watch this... this is the level of people we're dealing with... not hard-up Uni students who can't afford the fees... or political activists fed up of a govt cutting costs all over the place... these people are degenerate scum intent on causing chaos 'cos they fink its a larf innit'

dunkman

a retard stealing a big bag of value rice.

fucking tit