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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    i think the american confidence is shattered. i can not recall people having a more pessimistic outlook than they do now.

    i think the final nail in the coffin for most of us to reach "i don't give a fuck anymore" point was this most recent piece of shit debt ceiling bill, and all of the fighting it took to get to the outcome that the deficit will only be reduced by about a trillion over 10 years...
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  • JeanwahJeanwah Posts: 6,363
    i think the american confidence is shattered. i can not recall people having a more pessimistic outlook than they do now.

    i think the final nail in the coffin for most of us to reach "i don't give a fuck anymore" point was this most recent piece of shit debt ceiling bill, and all of the fighting it took to get to the outcome that the deficit will only be reduced by about a trillion over 10 years...

    Ya know, and I know this is depressing, but last night while watching what's going on in Somalia because they have no govt and are being run by terrorists with mass malnutrition there, I got this feeling that if things don't turn around with the US govt incessantly fighting and the economy failing, that is the ultimate of where we're generally heading.
  • fifefife Posts: 3,327
    just to give a little bright light. jobs hiring was higher than expected for July.

    http://money.cnn.com/2011/08/05/news/ec ... ?hpt=hp_t1
  • inlet13inlet13 Posts: 1,979
    edited August 2011
    fife wrote:
    just to give a little bright light. jobs hiring was higher than expected for July.

    http://money.cnn.com/2011/08/05/news/ec ... ?hpt=hp_t1


    Agreed, the data beat expectations. But, if we're being honest, expectations were very, very low.

    As of now, unfortunately, markets don't seem to care about that small bright spot...

    http://www.google.com/finance?q=INDEXDJX%3A.DJI&hl=en
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  • RFTCRFTC Posts: 723
    i think the american confidence is shattered. i can not recall people having a more pessimistic outlook than they do now.

    i think the final nail in the coffin for most of us to reach "i don't give a fuck anymore" point was this most recent piece of shit debt ceiling bill, and all of the fighting it took to get to the outcome that the deficit will only be reduced by about a trillion over 10 years...

    in financial speak, it's called capitulation aka blood on the streets. we are not there yet in action but psychologically, we are getting close.

    my advice to all w/jobs, do it well and if your not the boss, make sure your boss knows the bottom line results you are providing.

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  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/08 ... -sell-off/

    if you think it's bad now I have a feeling that when the Military spending cuts kick in it will get worse for everybody including wall street.

    Godfather.
  • FiveB247xFiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    Thanks for the kind words.

    And unfortunately, I have zero faith in anything changing for the better. The people don't force change and have become far too polar and ignorant, the government is in bed with big business, so that will remain in place and is ever growing. Things just continually break down little by little..and it's deserved. We're far too busy showing a false sense of morality and sympathy in the after math of problems compared to preventing them.
    ed243421 wrote:
    FiveB247x wrote:
    We should all hope it comes crashing down. The fallacy that private, for profit industries should be the backbone of America's citizens stability and well-being (banking, healthcare,social security, energy, etc) is so far out of whack. Wall Street is nothing more than greed, and the rich getting richer nowadays. Let it all come crashing down and in the long term, our nation and population would be far better off for it.


    five

    i know you are from new york and all, but i have to give you credit

    i agree with just about every post you make

    and this is another where you are exactly correct

    keep on postin'

    change will come
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  • UpSideDownUpSideDown Posts: 1,966
    I ignore it because everything in here points to gloom and doom, and then the headline on MSN right now reads Positive News on US Jobs.

    Nobody knows what the F they are talking about. It is all just speculation, always. I'm just gonna grind out paycheck after paycheck and not worry about it. I'm doing alright.
  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,157
    Jeanwah wrote:
    The question is more like... What is not dying? :lol: Veggies are flourishing, that's about it! I definitely don't have a green thumb.
    I tried starting my first garden this year .... I give myself a D+ rating so far ... and that's only because I got my strawberry harvest early :oops:

    I learned lot of lessons though. The most important one ... Preen! My veggie garden turned into a weed garden. :(
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  • FiveB247xFiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    Perhaps that is correct, but with that said, just about every "news channel" on American tv is mere sensationalism and not journalism. 24 hr networks invent news and items to discuss and debate, not report on them.
    UpSideDown wrote:
    I ignore it because everything in here points to gloom and doom, and then the headline on MSN right now reads Positive News on US Jobs.

    Nobody knows what the F they are talking about. It is all just speculation, always. I'm just gonna grind out paycheck after paycheck and not worry about it. I'm doing alright.
    CONservative governMENt

    Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 9,196
    Godfather. wrote:
    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/08/05/employers-add-117k-jobs-releasing-market-tension-after-sell-off/

    if you think it's bad now I have a feeling that when the Military spending cuts kick in it will get worse for everybody including wall street.

    Godfather.

    Military spending cuts kick in? What cuts, and when do they kick in? That'll be a good day for me.
  • FiveB247xFiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    Yeah god forbit we don't keep the Military Industrial Complex thriving... I mean, can you imagine a time when we're not busy bombing some evil doer or creating the next war on _____ (drugs, terror, etc). We'd all be so much worse right.... uck! Godfather, not trying to point you out solely, but do people listen to themselves when they speak? Do you realize how ass-backwards the below part in bold is? The only good that comes from any of this line of thinking is rich f'ers lining their pockets while the rest of us deal with the consequences.
    Godfather. wrote:
    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/08/05/employers-add-117k-jobs-releasing-market-tension-after-sell-off/

    if you think it's bad now I have a feeling that when the Military spending cuts kick in it will get worse for everybody including wall street.

    Godfather.
    CONservative governMENt

    Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
  • JeanwahJeanwah Posts: 6,363
    FiveB247x wrote:

    And unfortunately, I have zero faith in anything changing for the better.

    Well that's a shitty way to live. Granted, there's a lot in the world that needs improvement, but your attitude about life will bring exactly what you expect. Keep expecting the worst and you'll receive the worse. No doubt about that.
  • FiveB247xFiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    Well that's absolutely incorrect. Simply because I have a negative outlook on the world or society around me does not mean I'm a negative or unhappy person in my own life. I live life to the fullest and enjoy everything I can, and am a pretty happy and decent person. My perspective of the world/society doesn't mean I get less out of life by any respect. The two ideas are very separate.
    Jeanwah wrote:
    FiveB247x wrote:

    And unfortunately, I have zero faith in anything changing for the better.

    Well that's a shitty way to live. Granted, there's a lot in the world that needs improvement, but your attitude about life will bring exactly what you expect. Keep expecting the worst and you'll receive the worse. No doubt about that.
    CONservative governMENt

    Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
  • JeanwahJeanwah Posts: 6,363
    FiveB247x wrote:
    Well that's absolutely incorrect. Simply because I have a negative outlook on the world or society around me does not mean I'm a negative or unhappy person in my own life. I live life to the fullest and enjoy everything I can, and am a pretty happy and decent person. My perspective of the world/society doesn't mean I get less out of life by any respect. The two ideas are very separate.
    Jeanwah wrote:
    FiveB247x wrote:

    And unfortunately, I have zero faith in anything changing for the better.

    Well that's a shitty way to live. Granted, there's a lot in the world that needs improvement, but your attitude about life will bring exactly what you expect. Keep expecting the worst and you'll receive the worse. No doubt about that.

    They are very much connected. If you refuse to see that, then it's too bad. Just saying.
  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    FiveB247x wrote:
    Yeah god forbit we don't keep the Military Industrial Complex thriving... I mean, can you imagine a time when we're not busy bombing some evil doer or creating the next war on _____ (drugs, terror, etc). We'd all be so much worse right.... uck! Godfather, not trying to point you out solely, but do people listen to themselves when they speak? Do you realize how ass-backwards the below part in bold is? The only good that comes from any of this line of thinking is rich f'ers lining their pockets while the rest of us deal with the consequences.
    Godfather. wrote:
    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/08/05/employers-add-117k-jobs-releasing-market-tension-after-sell-off/

    if you think it's bad now I have a feeling that when the Military spending cuts kick in it will get worse for everybody including wall street.

    Godfather.

    there will be a lot job's lost because some dick head in congress want's to cut military spending..that's all and
    God forbid anyone here looks outside the box. ;)

    Godfather.
  • FiveB247xFiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    I completely disagree with you. There's no real connection between an individuals outlook on the world around them and their own personal attitude about life. A person can be happy individually while the world around them is not or vise versa. Sometimes they may coincide, but certainly not always, and most importantly, it doesn't equate to anything from a grand perspective. Everyone can wish for a better world, but guess what, it amounts to hopeful individuals hoping for something that may or may not come to fruition. It's simply pragmatism and logic. To assume one automatically correlates to the other is a false premise used to simply justify your own view point. I'm a pretty easy-going, laid back person with a passion for life, enjoying things I love as well as evolving and growing as a human being (mentally, emotionally, etc). I'd love to be spiritual or hopeful like many others, but my thoughts and views make me feel otherwise. It's nothing more than that.
    Jeanwah wrote:

    Well that's a shitty way to live. Granted, there's a lot in the world that needs improvement, but your attitude about life will bring exactly what you expect. Keep expecting the worst and you'll receive the worse. No doubt about that.
    [/quote]

    They are very much connected. If you refuse to see that, then it's too bad. Just saying.[/quote]
    CONservative governMENt

    Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
  • FiveB247xFiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    Who cares about jobs lost... ever think that perhaps our economy is based on negative areas which are used to not build, but end up doing far worse damage to the world around us? And quite frankly, these areas have been around and always developing and becoming more influential for decades upon decades now, so to bring up one administration or president or party is silly and misguided.
    Godfather. wrote:

    there will be a lot job's lost because some dick head in congress want's to cut military spending..that's all and
    God forbid anyone here looks outside the box. ;)

    Godfather.
    CONservative governMENt

    Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    FiveB247x wrote:
    Who cares about jobs lost... ever think that perhaps our economy is based on negative areas which are used to not build, but end up doing far worse damage to the world around us? And quite frankly, these areas have been around and always developing and becoming more influential for decades upon decades now, so to bring up one administration or president or party is silly and misguided.
    Godfather. wrote:

    there will be a lot job's lost because some dick head in congress want's to cut military spending..that's all and
    God forbid anyone here looks outside the box. ;)

    Godfather.

    sure.

    Godfather.
  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    inlet13 wrote:
    [I'm glad you think the largest drop in financial markets since The Great Depression is funny. It won't be funny if this continues, we see more layoffs and the government can't afford to pay unemployment.
    ...
    That's a bold statement...
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  • inlet13inlet13 Posts: 1,979
    Cosmo wrote:
    inlet13 wrote:
    [I'm glad you think the largest drop in financial markets since The Great Depression is funny. It won't be funny if this continues, we see more layoffs and the government can't afford to pay unemployment.
    ...
    That's a bold statement...
    I really hate referring to Wikipedia... but here is an easy to read summary:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_la ... al_Average


    That was meant to be The Great Recession (which the 2008/2009 recession is often coined)... not Depression. Since, I now kinda consider this to be a Depression, and think history texts will agree, I sometimes mix up words.

    With that one word change, what I said is accurate.
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  • FiveB247xFiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    Even with that stated, all Wall street has amounted too is a false sense of security for american citizens and of recently we've seen how they can break our nation, not fix it or help it. Anything for a buck! To assume that the markets are doing well, that our nation as a whole and citizens individually are all reaping in the rewards is simply silly. So let it all crash, we'd all be better off.
    inlet13 wrote:
    Cosmo wrote:
    inlet13 wrote:
    [I'm glad you think the largest drop in financial markets since The Great Depression is funny. It won't be funny if this continues, we see more layoffs and the government can't afford to pay unemployment.
    ...
    That's a bold statement...
    I really hate referring to Wikipedia... but here is an easy to read summary:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_la ... al_Average


    That was meant to be The Great Recession (which the 2008/2009 recession is often coined)... not Depression. Since, I now kinda consider this to be a Depression, and think history texts will agree, I sometimes mix up words.

    With that one word change, what I said is accurate.
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    Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 9,196
    FiveB247x wrote:
    Well that's absolutely incorrect. Simply because I have a negative outlook on the world or society around me does not mean I'm a negative or unhappy person in my own life. I live life to the fullest and enjoy everything I can, and am a pretty happy and decent person. My perspective of the world/society doesn't mean I get less out of life by any respect. The two ideas are very separate.
    Jeanwah wrote:
    FiveB247x wrote:

    And unfortunately, I have zero faith in anything changing for the better.

    Well that's a shitty way to live. Granted, there's a lot in the world that needs improvement, but your attitude about life will bring exactly what you expect. Keep expecting the worst and you'll receive the worse. No doubt about that.

    I often think about this. For me, I look for good, and I see good. I'm open to kindness and people being nice by trying to project that from myself, and I often then get that from similar people sending out the same thing. Take traveling as an example, I don't cut in line at the airport, and I yield to those in a hurry. Guess what, I've never missed a connecting flight. I like to think of it as synchronicity rather than coincidence. No one has been outwardly aggressive to me, but I've definitely been around aggressive people, but I don't project that back to them. I could go on. Now extrapolate this to make it country wide. If everyone was strongly anti-war, guess what, we wouldn't be in any wars. We're in wars now because we're getting back what we put out there.
  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    inlet13 wrote:
    Cosmo wrote:
    inlet13 wrote:
    [I'm glad you think the largest drop in financial markets since The Great Depression is funny. It won't be funny if this continues, we see more layoffs and the government can't afford to pay unemployment.
    ...
    That's a bold statement...
    I really hate referring to Wikipedia... but here is an easy to read summary:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_la ... al_Average


    That was meant to be The Great Recession (which the 2008/2009 recession is often coined)... not Depression. Since, I now kinda consider this to be a Depression, and think history texts will agree, I sometimes mix up words.

    With that one word change, what I said is accurate.
    ...
    Okay. Thanx for the clarification... still... aren't we STILL IN the Great Recession? I mean, the economy hasn't recovered since the 2007-2008 collapse yet... has it? If it did recover... I guess I need to be paying closer attention to it.
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  • inlet13inlet13 Posts: 1,979
    Cosmo wrote:
    ...
    Okay. Thanx for the clarification... still... aren't we STILL IN the Great Recession? I mean, the economy hasn't recovered since the 2007-2008 collapse yet... has it? If it did recover... I guess I need to be paying closer attention to it.


    Well, "officially" we've been out of recession for quite some time. But, in real life, I agree with you... that's why (if this is really a new "official" recession, and I think it is)... I think this may be looked at as a depression down the road, not a recession.
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  • FiveB247xFiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    But here's the thing with your below statement - what you're describing is just being a decent human being, not a specific viewpoint or perspective on the world around you. I don't know about others, but I do good things or nice things cause I think it's the right thing to do or a good way to be, not so others notice or because I expect anything in return. Lastly, I find it a bit naive to think that if you merely project a specific view or attitude, that everyone else should be the same. In reality, people don't do the right thing, or act decent to one another.. I don't view things on how they could be, but more so of how they are. It doesn't deter me for being decent in my own life or to others, but it's hard not to look around our nation or world and recognize things are far off base and to think simply that if everyone did x or thought y, it'd be different. The world has never been that way nor will it ever be that way. It's utopia and only exists in theory, not practice. It's certainly nice to try and work towards, but never will be attained. Whether because of selfishness, greed, psychology or a multitude of other reasons, people will not, nor have not evolved. And all of our big problems in our nation or world are mere results and examples of it.
    Go Beavers wrote:
    I often think about this. For me, I look for good, and I see good. I'm open to kindness and people being nice by trying to project that from myself, and I often then get that from similar people sending out the same thing. Take traveling as an example, I don't cut in line at the airport, and I yield to those in a hurry. Guess what, I've never missed a connecting flight. I like to think of it as synchronicity rather than coincidence. No one has been outwardly aggressive to me, but I've definitely been around aggressive people, but I don't project that back to them. I could go on. Now extrapolate this to make it country wide. If everyone was strongly anti-war, guess what, we wouldn't be in any wars. We're in wars now because we're getting back what we put out there.
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    Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 9,196
    FiveB247x wrote:
    But here's the thing with your below statement - what you're describing is just being a decent human being, not a specific viewpoint or perspective on the world around you. I don't know about others, but I do good things or nice things cause I think it's the right thing to do or a good way to be, not so others notice or because I expect anything in return. Lastly, I find it a bit naive to think that if you merely project a specific view or attitude, that everyone else should be the same. In reality, people don't do the right thing, or act decent to one another.. I don't view things on how they could be, but more so of how they are. It doesn't deter me for being decent in my own life or to others, but it's hard not to look around our nation or world and recognize things are far off base and to think simply that if everyone did x or thought y, it'd be different. The world has never been that way nor will it ever be that way. It's utopia and only exists in theory, not practice. It's certainly nice to try and work towards, but never will be attained. Whether because of selfishness, greed, psychology or a multitude of other reasons, people will not, nor have not evolved. And all of our big problems in our nation or world are mere results and examples of it.
    Go Beavers wrote:
    I often think about this. For me, I look for good, and I see good. I'm open to kindness and people being nice by trying to project that from myself, and I often then get that from similar people sending out the same thing. Take traveling as an example, I don't cut in line at the airport, and I yield to those in a hurry. Guess what, I've never missed a connecting flight. I like to think of it as synchronicity rather than coincidence. No one has been outwardly aggressive to me, but I've definitely been around aggressive people, but I don't project that back to them. I could go on. Now extrapolate this to make it country wide. If everyone was strongly anti-war, guess what, we wouldn't be in any wars. We're in wars now because we're getting back what we put out there.

    The behaviors I'm talking about have to do with being a decent person, and a the same time, very much describing a perspective about the world. People overwhelming do the right things and act decent to one another, and that's my perspective I'm talking about. I'm also viewing things how they are, too. I'm my town of 75,000 people, no one was killed today, but there was probably a thousand conflicts that were dealt with peacefully. People fell in love today, people laughed, they helped each other out, and they shared things that someone else needed. This is my perspective and it's also a factual reality.

    Obviously there are problems, but yes, if people did x and y, things would be different. I've seen things get better when people do x and y. You're saying people haven't evolved, and I'm wondering what you used to come to that conclusion, because I disagree with it. We aren't helpless to what comes out of the human condition, we create it, influence it, and make it happen. I'm not saying you're not happy, but maybe you could be that much more happy with a different perspective.
  • FiveB247xFiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    You're correct in some respects and I wasn't thorough enough in my comments. I guess what it boils down to is the fact that the ways we impose our interactions/bureaucracies and rule is what partially makes our civilization the way it is. But with that said, our cultures and norms/morals have been deteriorating and our nation and world as a whole have greatly changed as a result. People love to think that there's a minority wielding the power in our nation, yet in reality, it's actually all of our collective efforts (or lack there of) which create the society we live in. So perhaps one administration sends us into a conflict, but it takes millions of voters, taxpayers monies, silence and obedience to carry it out. It's a very easy cop out and way to scapegoat problems without holding each individual citizen partially responsible and account in the same manner we'd like to think the government should be towards us. So when I say we haven't evolved, we haven't - we expect different results from continued practices of failure.. that's the definition of insanity. Perhaps on some smaller, individual level your analysis is more correct, but I'm talking more about big picture and wholistic areas. And it's not so much that I think we're "helpless", it's more to the fact that the game is fixed (very impenetrable) and people are too uncaring or selfish to fix it. It's the difference between individual interaction and group dynamics and we as a whole aren't so good to say it nicely.
    Go Beavers wrote:
    The behaviors I'm talking about have to do with being a decent person, and a the same time, very much describing a perspective about the world. People overwhelming do the right things and act decent to one another, and that's my perspective I'm talking about. I'm also viewing things how they are, too. I'm my town of 75,000 people, no one was killed today, but there was probably a thousand conflicts that were dealt with peacefully. People fell in love today, people laughed, they helped each other out, and they shared things that someone else needed. This is my perspective and it's also a factual reality.

    Obviously there are problems, but yes, if people did x and y, things would be different. I've seen things get better when people do x and y. You're saying people haven't evolved, and I'm wondering what you used to come to that conclusion, because I disagree with it. We aren't helpless to what comes out of the human condition, we create it, influence it, and make it happen. I'm not saying you're not happy, but maybe you could be that much more happy with a different perspective.
    CONservative governMENt

    Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 9,196
    FiveB247x wrote:
    You're correct in some respects and I wasn't thorough enough in my comments. I guess what it boils down to is the fact that the ways we impose our interactions/bureaucracies and rule is what partially makes our civilization the way it is. But with that said, our cultures and norms/morals have been deteriorating and our nation and world as a whole have greatly changed as a result. People love to think that there's a minority wielding the power in our nation, yet in reality, it's actually all of our collective efforts (or lack there of) which create the society we live in. So perhaps one administration sends us into a conflict, but it takes millions of voters, taxpayers monies, silence and obedience to carry it out. It's a very easy cop out and way to scapegoat problems without holding each individual citizen partially responsible and account in the same manner we'd like to think the government should be towards us. So when I say we haven't evolved, we haven't - we expect different results from continued practices of failure.. that's the definition of insanity. Perhaps on some smaller, individual level your analysis is more correct, but I'm talking more about big picture and wholistic areas. And it's not so much that I think we're "helpless", it's more to the fact that the game is fixed (very impenetrable) and people are too uncaring or selfish to fix it. It's the difference between individual interaction and group dynamics and we as a whole aren't so good to say it nicely.
    Go Beavers wrote:
    The behaviors I'm talking about have to do with being a decent person, and a the same time, very much describing a perspective about the world. People overwhelming do the right things and act decent to one another, and that's my perspective I'm talking about. I'm also viewing things how they are, too. I'm my town of 75,000 people, no one was killed today, but there was probably a thousand conflicts that were dealt with peacefully. People fell in love today, people laughed, they helped each other out, and they shared things that someone else needed. This is my perspective and it's also a factual reality.

    Obviously there are problems, but yes, if people did x and y, things would be different. I've seen things get better when people do x and y. You're saying people haven't evolved, and I'm wondering what you used to come to that conclusion, because I disagree with it. We aren't helpless to what comes out of the human condition, we create it, influence it, and make it happen. I'm not saying you're not happy, but maybe you could be that much more happy with a different perspective.

    How are our cultures norms/values deteriorating? Was there a peak in the past?
  • FiveB247xFiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    It's not so much that there was a golden age or something, but we value education less and it represents less in the real world, parenting and the family structure has been greatly lowered and through media and other indoctrinations, people have become less tolerant, more polar and our consumer culture is ever growing.
    Go Beavers wrote:
    How are our cultures norms/values deteriorating? Was there a peak in the past?
    CONservative governMENt

    Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
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