Not being incendiary... based on your language here it is an unfortunate fact. The THOUGHT makes you "queezy" in your "stomic." Do blacks make you feel that way? Women in the workplace? Where does your bigotry start and stop?
" Do blacks make you feel that way? Women in the workplace? Where does your bigotry start and stop?
you may not be your mothers brightest child.....wtf does Women in the workplace or Blacks have to do with ANYTHING I POSTED.....
Godfather.
I used women and blacks as an example of subgroups within a population that used to be discriminated against and *hated* in this country and still are elsewhere in the world, similar to the way gays currently are. As man EVOLVES into a brighter, more accepting and loving race we hate fewer and fewer subgroups.
The hatred for things we don't understand or aren't "normal" is typical mammalian behavior found within monkeys and other lower primates. Lower primates also throw shit at these subgroups, while slightly more "advanced" primates use ink excreted on paper (or a computer screen) as their form of shit that they throw around.
At the end of the day, one has to ask himself; "am I a ma ma ma monkey being controlled by my 2 million year old instincts throwing shit at things I don't understand or am I a person who wants to evolve into where we're all going; LOVE?"[/quote]
I didn't say I hate anybody , have you seen planet of the ape's ? pretty smart critter's them ape's.
I'm not getting a gay marriage, an abortion, or planning a trip to the Middle East, yet I feel as if I'm going to get constant updates and news on these issues for the rest of my life.
easy fix; don't watch/read the news. It doesn't concern you. That has helped me immensely.
When I get the urge to read the news, I stop and remember it's just going to say; "THE SITUATION IS DESPERATE AS USUAL"
I've pretty much stopped watching the news, with the exception of local coverage in the morning. I'm trying to ween myself off of political coverage as I've determined you can never be happy if you are vested in political debate.
But, I try to keep up to date on current events and I'm pretty sure the gay marriage debate is going to be current for the next 25 years minimum.
easy fix; don't watch/read the news. It doesn't concern you. That has helped me immensely.
When I get the urge to read the news, I stop and remember it's just going to say; "THE SITUATION IS DESPERATE AS USUAL"
I've pretty much stopped watching the news, with the exception of local coverage in the morning. I'm trying to ween myself off of political coverage as I've determined you can never be happy if you are vested in political debate.
But, I try to keep up to date on current events and I'm pretty sure the gay marriage debate is going to be current for the next 25 years minimum.
You've stopped watching the news but you try to keep up to date on current events?
easy fix; don't watch/read the news. It doesn't concern you. That has helped me immensely.
When I get the urge to read the news, I stop and remember it's just going to say; "THE SITUATION IS DESPERATE AS USUAL"
I've pretty much stopped watching the news, with the exception of local coverage in the morning. I'm trying to ween myself off of political coverage as I've determined you can never be happy if you are vested in political debate.
But, I try to keep up to date on current events and I'm pretty sure the gay marriage debate is going to be current for the next 25 years minimum.
You've stopped watching the news but you try to keep up to date on current events?
the key word is "watching." Or "listening." Don't do it. Find some trusted, objective, unbiased, non-corporate sources online to READ. Anything that you can watch or listen to is pure and utter rhetoric SHITE.
Everything not forbidden is compulsory and eveything not compulsory is forbidden. You are free... free to do what the government says you can do.
My brother in law says that he'd disown his kids if they are gay when they grow up. And he says being gay is against nature. Then he admits that he has never met or known any homosexual in his entire life. Ideas like that just blow my mind. Since when did we stop being a part of nature? If it exists, it is natural. Gays exist, so homosexuality is jsut another part of nature. And since when was it worth hating something that doesn't affect you at all?
And Godfather, being grossed out by gays and sick to the stomach? I've seen straight people doing things on the net that made me feel more disgusted than homosexual acts ever could. I wouldn't do the shit that I saw straight people doing which made me feel queezy but, you know, they seemed to like it. I ain't gonna judge then, what is the point? (Of course, I was searching for something else and I jsut came across it by accident.)
And the marriage thing is obvious, it has to be a right for every person to have something like a civil union at least that protects their property and inheritance and allows them to take mortgages and get along just like other folks in love.
Don't waste the fire in your belly on hating people who don't cause you trouble.
My brother in law says that he'd disown his kids if they are gay when they grow up. And he says being gay is against nature. Then he admits that he has never met or known any homosexual in his entire life. Ideas like that just blow my mind. Since when did we stop being a part of nature? If it exists, it is natural. Gays exist, so homosexuality is jsut another part of nature. And since when was it worth hating something that doesn't affect you at all?
i'll bet there where homosexual cave people back in the day, lesbians and gay dudes. neanderthal and cromagnon man both. very gay and very much into rocks, fires, spears, and being gay in the cave.
My brother in law says that he'd disown his kids if they are gay when they grow up. And he says being gay is against nature. Then he admits that he has never met or known any homosexual in his entire life. Ideas like that just blow my mind. Since when did we stop being a part of nature? If it exists, it is natural. Gays exist, so homosexuality is jsut another part of nature. And since when was it worth hating something that doesn't affect you at all?
And Godfather, being grossed out by gays and sick to the stomach? I've seen straight people doing things on the net that made me feel more disgusted than homosexual acts ever could. I wouldn't do the shit that I saw straight people doing which made me feel queezy but, you know, they seemed to like it. I ain't gonna judge then, what is the point? (Of course, I was searching for something else and I jsut came across it by accident.)
And the marriage thing is obvious, it has to be a right for every person to have something like a civil union at least that protects their property and inheritance and allows them to take mortgages and get along just like other folks in love.
Don't waste the fire in your belly on hating people who don't cause you trouble.
I don't hate I may not personally aprove or get grossed out but hate is very final and life is to short to worry about hate..it's also to short to let someone else try and change my mind on how I live and what I believe in or what I aprove or disaprove of,I'm always open to listen and learn but some issues are not up for debate.
My brother in law says that he'd disown his kids if they are gay when they grow up. And he says being gay is against nature. Then he admits that he has never met or known any homosexual in his entire life. Ideas like that just blow my mind. Since when did we stop being a part of nature? If it exists, it is natural. Gays exist, so homosexuality is jsut another part of nature. And since when was it worth hating something that doesn't affect you at all?
i'll bet there where homosexual cave people back in the day, lesbians and gay dudes. neanderthal and cromagnon man both. very gay and very much into rocks, fires, spears, and being gay in the cave.
that very thought just makes my brain hurt....somehow I doubt that happened.
o.k so tell me again why is gay marriage good for straight America cause I don't see anything that would improve in America thru gay marriage, it's personal choice if that's what you guy's want go for it but really I don't see this benefitting me(straight America) in the least.
o.k so tell me again why is gay marriage good for straight America cause I don't see anything that would improve in America thru gay marriage, it's personal choice if that's what you guy's want go for it but really I don't see this benefitting me(straight America) in the least.
Godfather.
Personally, I think its a long deserved evolution of human rights and tolerance.
I feel like we ARE neanderthals if we discriminate and dont allow someone to marry who they love.
As many people in this thread have also said, why are we even talking about this?? It really shouldnt even be a debate...Gay marriage should be 100% available in every state, and I believe it will be one day...Then we/politicians can move on to more important stuff. Thats why it is good for the world, not just America.
o.k so tell me again why is gay marriage good for straight America cause I don't see anything that would improve in America thru gay marriage, it's personal choice if that's what you guy's want go for it but really I don't see this benefitting me(straight America) in the least.
Godfather.
well, no, nothing personally would change for me, either. There's no direct benefit to most people, except for the broad notion that we are living in a world of acceptance and freedom rather than a world of bigotry and societal engineering designed by archaic and lizard-brained politicians.
Everything not forbidden is compulsory and eveything not compulsory is forbidden. You are free... free to do what the government says you can do.
lets back up for a second and for get the whole gay vs straight debate....
wouldn't gay marriage be bad for america?
it has the potential to reduce tax's and increase social security costs. Seems like that would be bad for america.
But think of all the money that will be spent on fabulous, outlandish weddings! That alone ought to cut your country's deficit in half! The cost to the country certainly isn't an issue within this issue, especially since it's such a small percentage of people who a.) are gay (openly so) and b.) are gay and want to get married.
"If you are flammable and have legs, you are never blocking a fire exit." - Mitch Hedberg
lets back up for a second and for get the whole gay vs straight debate....
wouldn't gay marriage be bad for america?
it has the potential to reduce tax's and increase social security costs. Seems like that would be bad for america.
But think of all the money that will be spent on fabulous, outlandish weddings! That alone ought to cut your country's deficit in half! The cost to the country certainly isn't an issue within this issue, especially since it's such a small percentage of people who a.) are gay (openly so) and b.) are gay and want to get married.
o.k so tell me again why is gay marriage good for straight America cause I don't see anything that would improve in America thru gay marriage, it's personal choice if that's what you guy's want go for it but really I don't see this benefitting me(straight America) in the least.
Godfather.
well, no, nothing personally would change for me, either. There's no direct benefit to most people, except for the broad notion that we are living in a world of acceptance and freedom rather than a world of bigotry and societal engineering designed by archaic and lizard-brained politicians.
"lizard-brained politicians." I gotta give ya that one bro but I am not sure if what you are talking about is progression or regression, let's look back at t.v raido theater and stage in the 50's and earlier then look at the state of the country during those economic times when made in America ment something and 80 or 90 % of good's used by Americans were made in America and business' did well ..now lets fast forward to the 60's the begining of free love and a culture advocating drug's and young people that wanted to fight the establishment or big brother or the man and slowley we move to today where progress has turned intertainment into a verbal cest pool ,we have out-soursed the American way of life and we give billions to forgin countries and worry about our retired people getting their SS checks (something they have worked for all their lives) and the meaning of family values has changed at the cost of our young because we tell them "it's o.k or parents are to ez to split from their responsibaltys...just the change Ive seen in the 30 years is bad and nobody want's to own up to it (let's blame it on the system...right) so in the grand sceam of thing's I am seeing more regression than progression and it's not regressing back to a better time it's progressing to a leud and violent behaiver from our young that learn from us because we said "it's o.k"..
anyway just my thought on it sorry for the rant.
well, no, nothing personally would change for me, either. There's no direct benefit to most people, except for the broad notion that we are living in a world of acceptance and freedom rather than a world of bigotry and societal engineering designed by archaic and lizard-brained politicians.
"lizard-brained politicians." I gotta give ya that one bro but I am not sure if what you are talking about is progression or regression, let's look back at t.v raido theater and stage in the 50's and earlier then look at the state of the country during those economic times when made in America ment something and 80 or 90 % of good's used by Americans were made in America and business' did well ..now lets fast forward to the 60's the begining of free love and a culture advocating drug's and young people that wanted to fight the establishment or big brother or the man and slowley we move to today where progress has turned intertainment into a verbal cest pool ,we have out-soursed the American way of life and we give billions to forgin countries and worry about our retired people getting their SS checks (something they have worked for all their lives) and the meaning of family values has changed at the cost of our young because we tell them "it's o.k or parents are to ez to split from their responsibaltys...just the change Ive seen in the 30 years is bad and nobody want's to own up to it (let's blame it on the system...right) so in the grand sceam of thing's I am seeing more regression than progression and it's not regressing back to a better time it's progressing to a leud and violent behaiver from our young that learn from us because we said "it's o.k"..
anyway just my thought on it sorry for the rant.
Godfather.
Interesting part of your post: "I am seeing more regression than progression". You're not seeing what's happening with only one eye open.
well, no, nothing personally would change for me, either. There's no direct benefit to most people, except for the broad notion that we are living in a world of acceptance and freedom rather than a world of bigotry and societal engineering designed by archaic and lizard-brained politicians.
"lizard-brained politicians." I gotta give ya that one bro but I am not sure if what you are talking about is progression or regression, let's look back at t.v raido theater and stage in the 50's and earlier then look at the state of the country during those economic times when made in America ment something and 80 or 90 % of good's used by Americans were made in America and business' did well ..now lets fast forward to the 60's the begining of free love and a culture advocating drug's and young people that wanted to fight the establishment or big brother or the man and slowley we move to today where progress has turned intertainment into a verbal cest pool ,we have out-soursed the American way of life and we give billions to forgin countries and worry about our retired people getting their SS checks (something they have worked for all their lives) and the meaning of family values has changed at the cost of our young because we tell them "it's o.k or parents are to ez to split from their responsibaltys...just the change Ive seen in the 30 years is bad and nobody want's to own up to it (let's blame it on the system...right) so in the grand sceam of thing's I am seeing more regression than progression and it's not regressing back to a better time it's progressing to a leud and violent behaiver from our young that learn from us because we said "it's o.k"..
anyway just my thought on it sorry for the rant.
Godfather.
Interesting part of your post: "I am seeing more regression than progression". You're not seeing what's happening with only one eye open.
you know what ? just a side note; I think one of the thing's that put this country in a tail spin was the 60's drug movment..well at least a fair part of it anyway.
you know what ? just a side note; I think one of the thing's that put this country in a tail spin was the 60's drug movment..well at least a fair part of it anyway.
Godfather.
My father always said the same... back in the 60's when I was a little girl
o.k so tell me again why is gay marriage good for straight America cause I don't see anything that would improve in America thru gay marriage, it's personal choice if that's what you guy's want go for it but really I don't see this benefitting me(straight America) in the least.
Godfather.
well, no, nothing personally would change for me, either. There's no direct benefit to most people, except for the broad notion that we are living in a world of acceptance and freedom rather than a world of bigotry and societal engineering designed by archaic and lizard-brained politicians.
"lizard-brained politicians." I gotta give ya that one bro but I am not sure if what you are talking about is progression or regression, let's look back at t.v raido theater and stage in the 50's and earlier then look at the state of the country during those economic times when made in America ment something and 80 or 90 % of good's used by Americans were made in America and business' did well ..now lets fast forward to the 60's the begining of free love and a culture advocating drug's and young people that wanted to fight the establishment or big brother or the man and slowley we move to today where progress has turned intertainment into a verbal cest pool ,we have out-soursed the American way of life and we give billions to forgin countries and worry about our retired people getting their SS checks (something they have worked for all their lives) and the meaning of family values has changed at the cost of our young because we tell them "it's o.k or parents are to ez to split from their responsibaltys...just the change Ive seen in the 30 years is bad and nobody want's to own up to it (let's blame it on the system...right) so in the grand sceam of thing's I am seeing more regression than progression and it's not regressing back to a better time it's progressing to a leud and violent behaiver from our young that learn from us because we said "it's o.k"..
anyway just my thought on it sorry for the rant.
Godfather.
"the good old days weren't always good" Billy Joel.
it's a human rights issue same as slavery and woman's rights were. in 20 years the fight against gay marriage will seem as ridiculous as the notion of women not being able to vote now seems.
you know what ? just a side note; I think one of the thing's that put this country in a tail spin was the 60's drug movment..well at least a fair part of it anyway.
Godfather.
the current 'look-at-me i need or want attention' attitude is leading to our downfall more than a movement that came 40+ years ago. an example is someone feeling the need to put their name at the bottom of every post :roll:
you know what ? just a side note; I think one of the thing's that put this country in a tail spin was the 60's drug movment..well at least a fair part of it anyway.
Godfather.
the current 'look-at-me i need or want attention' attitude is leading to our downfall more than a movement that came 40+ years ago. an example is someone feeling the need to put their name at the bottom of every post :roll:
ummm...reading your post reminds me of a BB in a beer can,that rattle drives people nutty but it's o.k it's not your falt someone had to drink the beer first before they threw the can out the truck window. :shh:
you know what ? just a side note; I think one of the thing's that put this country in a tail spin was the 60's drug movment..well at least a fair part of it anyway.
Godfather.
the current 'look-at-me i need or want attention' attitude is leading to our downfall more than a movement that came 40+ years ago. an example is someone feeling the need to put their name at the bottom of every post :roll:
ummm...reading your post reminds me of a BB in a beer can,that rattle drives people nutty but it's o.k it's not your falt someone had to drink the beer first before they threw the can out the truck window. :shh:
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I used women and blacks as an example of subgroups within a population that used to be discriminated against and *hated* in this country and still are elsewhere in the world, similar to the way gays currently are. As man EVOLVES into a brighter, more accepting and loving race we hate fewer and fewer subgroups.
The hatred for things we don't understand or aren't "normal" is typical mammalian behavior found within monkeys and other lower primates. Lower primates also throw shit at these subgroups, while slightly more "advanced" primates use ink excreted on paper (or a computer screen) as their form of shit that they throw around.
At the end of the day, one has to ask himself; "am I a ma ma ma monkey being controlled by my 2 million year old instincts throwing shit at things I don't understand or am I a person who wants to evolve into where we're all going; LOVE?"[/quote]
I didn't say I hate anybody , have you seen planet of the ape's ? pretty smart critter's them ape's.
Godfather.
saying, "i hear rush limbaugh is gay."
well then he should be allowed to marry his boyfriend if he desires so.
yes/no?
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
But, I try to keep up to date on current events and I'm pretty sure the gay marriage debate is going to be current for the next 25 years minimum.
Bro I don't care who marries who I just can't accept the gay thing .......wait a min. that sacralig...Rush ? NOOOOO !!!!!!
Godfather.
Of course, I'll never understand why a guy could look at another guy and think "I want me some of that", but to each their own.
Hell, I'll never understand the love for soccer either, but do I think it should be prohibited?....ummm...wait, that's a bad example. Never mind.
You've stopped watching the news but you try to keep up to date on current events?
the key word is "watching." Or "listening." Don't do it. Find some trusted, objective, unbiased, non-corporate sources online to READ. Anything that you can watch or listen to is pure and utter rhetoric SHITE.
Godfather.
And Godfather, being grossed out by gays and sick to the stomach? I've seen straight people doing things on the net that made me feel more disgusted than homosexual acts ever could. I wouldn't do the shit that I saw straight people doing which made me feel queezy but, you know, they seemed to like it. I ain't gonna judge then, what is the point? (Of course, I was searching for something else and I jsut came across it by accident.)
And the marriage thing is obvious, it has to be a right for every person to have something like a civil union at least that protects their property and inheritance and allows them to take mortgages and get along just like other folks in love.
Don't waste the fire in your belly on hating people who don't cause you trouble.
wouldn't gay marriage be bad for america?
it has the potential to reduce tax's and increase social security costs. Seems like that would be bad for america.
i'll bet there where homosexual cave people back in the day, lesbians and gay dudes. neanderthal and cromagnon man both. very gay and very much into rocks, fires, spears, and being gay in the cave.
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
I don't hate I may not personally aprove or get grossed out but hate is very final and life is to short to worry about hate..it's also to short to let someone else try and change my mind on how I live and what I believe in or what I aprove or disaprove of,I'm always open to listen and learn but some issues are not up for debate.
Godfather.
that very thought just makes my brain hurt....somehow I doubt that happened.
Godfather.
that basic right would make them very happy and fulfill their dreams.
Godfather.
Personally, I think its a long deserved evolution of human rights and tolerance.
I feel like we ARE neanderthals if we discriminate and dont allow someone to marry who they love.
As many people in this thread have also said, why are we even talking about this?? It really shouldnt even be a debate...Gay marriage should be 100% available in every state, and I believe it will be one day...Then we/politicians can move on to more important stuff. Thats why it is good for the world, not just America.
well, no, nothing personally would change for me, either. There's no direct benefit to most people, except for the broad notion that we are living in a world of acceptance and freedom rather than a world of bigotry and societal engineering designed by archaic and lizard-brained politicians.
But think of all the money that will be spent on fabulous, outlandish weddings! That alone ought to cut your country's deficit in half! The cost to the country certainly isn't an issue within this issue, especially since it's such a small percentage of people who a.) are gay (openly so) and b.) are gay and want to get married.
Fabulous
"lizard-brained politicians."
anyway just my thought on it sorry for the rant.
Godfather.
Interesting part of your post: "I am seeing more regression than progression". You're not seeing what's happening with only one eye open.
you know what ? just a side note; I think one of the thing's that put this country in a tail spin was the 60's drug movment..well at least a fair part of it anyway.
Godfather.
My father always said the same... back in the 60's when I was a little girl
I agree
"the good old days weren't always good" Billy Joel.
it's a human rights issue same as slavery and woman's rights were. in 20 years the fight against gay marriage will seem as ridiculous as the notion of women not being able to vote now seems.
the current 'look-at-me i need or want attention' attitude is leading to our downfall more than a movement that came 40+ years ago. an example is someone feeling the need to put their name at the bottom of every post :roll:
ummm...reading your post reminds me of a BB in a beer can,that rattle drives people nutty but it's o.k it's not your falt someone had to drink the beer first before they threw the can out the truck window. :shh:
Godfather.
I have no idea what this is supposed to mean :?
Godchild