IF PEARL JAM IS BEST

crazygeo

no love for Kurt...

although for some......
dying at the right time can make you an ICON forever........

pj is #1 here...no matter what to me, but....it is funny when they are not in the TOP 10...cracks me up!
http://www.90srockers.com/top5.php (what a JOKE, NO PJ)

crazygeo

if NOT Pearl Jam 10 as the best...what is your favorite?....

I think NEVERMIND is a great album...opinion

crazygeo

http://rateyourmusic.com/list/unj/spin_ ... of_the_90s


hahaha..what a joke HOLE!!!!

pjhawks

cbrunelle783 wrote:

I think Nirvana would have been a footnote had Kurt not died. But I was 11 so what do I know.

they wouldn't have been a footnote because Nevermind was and still is a masterpiece. I would agree that Kurt probably wouldn't necessarily be thought of in the hallowed terms that some hold him in today had he not died but you can't deny Nevermind. Fact is for me Nevermind and Ten were pretty much neck and neck on my enjoyment and how often I played them back in the day. It wasn't until VS. came out and totally blew away In Utero in my mind and solidified PJ as the band for me over anyone else.

crazygeo

http://www.besteveralbums.com/yearstats.php?y=199

best albums....

u2 actung baby is a great CD...finally being remastered

crazygeo

by pjhawks » 25 Jul 2011 11:50

cbrunelle783 wrote:
I think Nirvana would have been a footnote had Kurt not died. But I was 11 so what do I know.

they wouldn't have been a footnote because Nevermind was and still is a masterpiece. I would agree that Kurt probably wouldn't necessarily be thought of in the hallowed terms that some hold him in today had he not died but you can't deny Nevermind. Fact is for me Nevermind and Ten were pretty much neck and neck on my enjoyment and how often I played them back in the day. It wasn't until VS. came out and totally blew away In Utero in my mind and solidified PJ as the band for me over anyone else.


AT LEAST SOMEONE IS LOGICAL HERE ON THIS FORUM...AGREED +1 NECK & NECK

butte1

I'm surprised no one has mentioned Foo Fighters. I mean they've been around since 1995 and they are still going strong today. As a matter of fact, I just had a conversation with my cousin Saturday night that Foo Fighters and Pearl Jam are really the last great rock -n- roll bands with any relevance left out there. I mean what other "rock" bands still put out platinum selling albums and still sell out stadiums/ampitheaters consistantly other than FF and PJ? I think sometimes Foo get forgotten in favor of Nirvana because of Dave Grohl's connection to both but I think that does a disservice to Grohl, FF and Nirvana... just sayin.... :idea:

MikeLove

Nirvana was the Beatles of Grunge
Pearl Jam was the Stones....

DewieCox

MikeLove wrote:

Nirvana was the Beatles of Grunge
Pearl Jam was the Stones....

bad analogy

ChadsStillAlive

Pap wrote:

crazygeo wrote:

http://www.90srockers.com/top5.php

?????????????/ OPINION /??????????????

5. Stone Temple Pilots
4. Nirvana
3. Soundgarden
2. Alice In Chains
1. Pearl Jam

This.

mysticweed

the_great_dean wrote:

I would say soundgardens badmotorfinger is more important than superunknown

that's exactly what i was thinking
it is to me, anyway

and all are a distant second to TEN

crazygeo

butte1 » Mon Jul 25, 2011 10:14 am

I'm surprised no one has mentioned Foo Fighters. I mean they've been around since 1995 and they are still going strong today. As a matter of fact, I just had a conversation with my cousin Saturday night that Foo Fighters and Pearl Jam are really the last great rock -n- roll bands with any relevance left out there. I mean what other "rock" bands still put out platinum selling albums and still sell out stadiums/ampitheaters consistantly other than FF and PJ? I think sometimes Foo get forgotten in favor of Nirvana because of Dave Grohl's connection to both but I think that does a disservice to Grohl, FF and Nirvana... just sayin....

I agree too..
Foo Fighters get overlooked because they were not ground breaking....that was Nirvana
& don't forget that Soundgarden is back and getting stronger too (new album soon)
As far as bands out there from this time I agree..Foo's are a strong 2nd
Great Post!!!

P.S The debut for a band is not always it's BEST and NOT always MY favorite....

Nami

MikeLove wrote:

Nirvana was the Beatles of Grunge
Pearl Jam was the Stones....

Stones anyday over the beatles/Nirvana.

To this day I still dont get the Beatles.. Or Nirvana. I can listen to their songs... buy them no.

Foo Fighters Yes... awesome band.

butte1

crazygeo wrote:

butte1 » Mon Jul 25, 2011 10:14 am

I'm surprised no one has mentioned Foo Fighters. I mean they've been around since 1995 and they are still going strong today. As a matter of fact, I just had a conversation with my cousin Saturday night that Foo Fighters and Pearl Jam are really the last great rock -n- roll bands with any relevance left out there. I mean what other "rock" bands still put out platinum selling albums and still sell out stadiums/ampitheaters consistantly other than FF and PJ? I think sometimes Foo get forgotten in favor of Nirvana because of Dave Grohl's connection to both but I think that does a disservice to Grohl, FF and Nirvana... just sayin....

I agree too..
Foo Fighters get overlooked because they were not ground breaking....that was Nirvana
& don't forget that Soundgarden is back and getting stronger too (new album soon)As far as bands out there from this time I agree..Foo's are a strong 2nd
Great Post!!!

P.S The debut for a band is not always it's BEST and NOT always MY favorite....

I always loved Soundgarden, still do, but honestly I can't put them in the conversation with PJ and FF as far as CURRENT relevance goes because they have not put out a new album, if they do it has yet to be proven it can go platinum and let's face it, they are not selling out stadiums and ampitheaters on ths current tour, in fact way too many reports of barely half full arenas etc.... I like them but I don't think they have the current relevance of PJ or Foo. Just my take, but always did love their music from back when, still do.

teeman

Pearl Jam and Nirvana are pretty much 1 and 1a in my book. Both were so important to music at the time, and still continue to be.

Pearl Jam stay relevant by making new music and being an awesome live act, while Nirvana's legacy was likely positively impacted by Kurt's suicide. Still, if you were around at the time in the US, there was no denying, everyone loved the heck out of Nevermind (as said on here by others, I agree that In Utero is better). Nirvana really did change things in music, regardless of how overstated that may be because of his death.

Numbers 3, 4 & 5? Soundgarden, Alice in Chains and STP respectively.

Actually, Chris Cornell should get major points for the Temple of the Dog album which really captured the spirit of music at the time. That's what I think of when I think of "grunge".

I agree that Foo Fighters are really good, and still relevant. However, they were never groundbreaking. I feel like the bands above are still influencing bands today.

butte1

Define groundbreaking? I mean were the grundge guys really doing something just completely new, or did they just tweek something that had already existed in Zeppelin and Black Sabbath or even the Stone's in some ways. Bands like Foo don't stand the test of time if their music isn't of some substance and if it is that substantial it influences other bands and must be sort of groundbreaking from that standpoint, and let's face it, Foo has influenced some current bands but is still influencing the baqnds of tomorrow just like PJ. Alice in Chains was great but honestly how much of their stuff stands up today, not as much as PJ or Foo? Same with STP or Soundgraden. I love all three and if we are talking early 1990's and how those bands moved the new generation from heavy metal and hair bands to the grundge sound then I like the top 5 most have listed here, in the PJ, Nirvana, Soundgarden, AIC and STP being 1 through 5. If we add the element of standing the test of time then I'm not sure Foo isn't #2 right behind PJ ahead of all those bands or atleast #2 with an asterik, because it's tough to place Foo ahead of Nirvana with that asterik because Dave Grohl was in Nirvana..... :shock: :?:

curmudgeoness

Grunge -- such a funny term. What does it mean? How many of us think PJ/Nirvana/Soundgarden/STP sound alike??

I remember waaaaaay back in the 80s when the term "New Wave" was kicked around. The label was applied to, among other acts, Elvis Costello and U2. Think about that.

A great band, a great artist, transcends that sort of label/ narrow genre classification. I cringe or giggle when I hear PJ described as a grunge band, depending on my mood. I don't know that that label ever fit, but I am certain that they outgrew the label mighty quickly.

Nirvana: I was a big fan back in the day. "Nevermind," for those who are too young to remember, was HUGE. We're talking massive; inescapable. That album effectively killed all the hair bands, which was a noteworthy feat. I think it's impossible to evaluate Nirvana's legacy as opposed to PJ's, or Soungarden's or STP's, or whomever's, due to Kurt's death. We have no way of knowing what direction Nirvana's music would have taken. Would they have produced album after album that tried to cash in on Nevermind's success? Would they have become a folk trio? Who knows??

Foo Fighters: I think Dave Grohl is cool as hell, and I have a ton of respect for the man's talent and attitude and I enjoy his music, but the Foos to me just are not a standard-setting band. I know others on here disagree with that, and let's just agree to disagree.

Best album of the 90s: Achtung Baby, without a doubt. It, too, was HUGE. And it kicks serious ass, and it was an enormous change of direction from The Joshua Tree. It is a landmark work, in my opinion, and it certainly is U2's magnum opus.

curmudgeoness

I'm not sure that we can determine anything based on what 12-15 year-olds are doing/ listening to. The music industry has changed so much, radio has changed so much, technology has changed so much that the fact that my son's teammates have no idea who PJ is whereas I, at eleven or twelve, was a hard-core Beatlemaniac, means -- not much.

I think it might be more relevant to look at which artists are influencing today's, how should I phrase it, serious musical artists -- rock artists, if rock still exists as a genre. Are up-and-coming rockers citing STP as a big influence on them?? What about PJ? Nirvana? I think this tells us much more about a band's legacy.

Another anecdote from the past: back in the early 90s, I think I read an article about Leonard Cohen that basically said very few people had heard of his albums, but it seemed that everyone who had listened to them went on to start a rock band. 8-) This probably was around the time that "I'm Your Fan" was released.

cbrunelle783

crazygeo wrote:

by pjhawks » 25 Jul 2011 11:50

cbrunelle783 wrote:
I think Nirvana would have been a footnote had Kurt not died. But I was 11 so what do I know.

they wouldn't have been a footnote because Nevermind was and still is a masterpiece. I would agree that Kurt probably wouldn't necessarily be thought of in the hallowed terms that some hold him in today had he not died but you can't deny Nevermind. Fact is for me Nevermind and Ten were pretty much neck and neck on my enjoyment and how often I played them back in the day. It wasn't until VS. came out and totally blew away In Utero in my mind and solidified PJ as the band for me over anyone else.


AT LEAST SOMEONE IS LOGICAL HERE ON THIS FORUM...AGREED +1 NECK & NECK

Are you calling me illogical? It's an opinion. I agree with PJhawks's statement. I would agree that Kurt probably wouldn't necessarily be thought of in the hallowed terms that some hold him in today had he not died but you can't deny Nevermind.

DewieCox

curmudgeoness wrote:

Foo Fighters: I think Dave Grohl is cool as hell, and I have a ton of respect for the man's talent and attitude and I enjoy his music, but the Foos to me just are not a standard-setting band. I know others on here disagree with that, and let's just agree to disagree.

I agree. I think they get a pass b/c of how cool everybody thinks Grohl is. How many truly average albums have they put out? They have some great tunes but they're music has always been as close to Nickelback or 3 Doors Down as they are to the bands most are mentioning here.


I'd put Tool in the conversation.