Let's put your fat ass kid in State foster care homes
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An opinion piece in Wednesday's Journal of the American Medical Association says putting overweight children into foster care is more ethical than obesity surgery.
http://www.businessinsider.com/obese-ki ... are-2011-7
http://www.businessinsider.com/obese-ki ... are-2011-7
SIN EATERS--We take the moral excrement we find in this equation and we bury it down deep inside of us so that the rest of our case can stay pure. That is the job. We are morally indefensible and absolutely necessary.
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taking a child from their parents is a devestating and very emotional experiance to the child as well as the parents that could cause more harm than good even if it's just for a short period of time
I'm calling bullshit on this one.
Godfather.
still calling bullshit !
Godfather.
I dont know Godfather.. this is a tough call if you ask me. the article says:
"There are about 2 million extremely obese children in the U.S. who develop medical problems that could end their lives by the time their 30 years old."
Is some emotional sacrifice worth a life with average life expectancy of ~78 yrs old??
Maybe someone should look into these "extremely obese" kids, and see if their parents need counselling.
being a lazy parent is to easy. you can't blame mcdonalds. i'm not defending the fast food industry, but it's not there fault.
I agree- taking the kid away- total bullshit. I also would say allowing your kid to eat crap and become obese- total bullshit. The parents should be held responsible for this kind of abuse.
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
and what do you do when a child is abused?
Yeah, I agree.. i'm not blaming McDonalds. I eat there once in a blue moon. Like I said, its the parents choice, and if they raise their kids on crap like McD's everyday, and make it so some of these kids are almost unable to walk, these parents should be counselled.
I cant see long term being a good idea. But if this can help a kid survive past 30 years old, I think it should be something to look into. If its short term, maybe it could be a wake up call to parents as well. I would assume that counselling and follow-up visits by authorities would be in order before taking a kid away however.
Abuse is not a static condition. If the abuse is extreme- torture, long-term confinement, etc.- you take the kid away and put him/her somewhere safe. If the abuse is less extreme- poor diet- you require the parents to undergo mandated counseling.
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
Usually, the kids get the fast foods because the parents feel guilty and don't want their children to hate them for being at work so much, being a single parent, or what have you. IMHO, I think those children will hate their parents for "helping" (for lack of a better word) them become overweight in the long run, rather than teaching them how to have a healthy lifestyle. It also creates the mentality of "I blame my parents for doing this to me".
As a child of physical abuse, I take responsibility in my actions. I have never blamed that parent as a reason to be a bad kid. Seriously, she did what she could with what she knew. Because of her, I now know better, so I do better, especially with my child.
I would support that 100%.
Fat people cost us all money. Their atrocious health costs us health care and emergency room fees, having to retro-fit just about everything so the 1/3 of Americans who are obese can squeeze into things is costly and don't even get me started on the people who take up two seats on public transportation.
Yeah, I'm being mean. You know what? Sue me.
I shot a movie in Australia a few years ago and when I got there, my jaw practically hit the floor. Virtually everyone was in great shape. Nobody was obese, the kids all looked bursting with health and energy, the people had great skin, looked wide awake and happy. I think I saw like 2 fat people the whole time I was there.
Being a vegan and health nut, I usually shop at Whole Foods or some other health food store so while down there (I was doing Production assistance), I was in charge of meals for the cast and crew. I did all the shopping and when I looked at the ingredients on food labels, I noticed that NOTHING had High Fructose Corn Syrup, Trans Fats, Hydrogenated anything... it was all sweetened with cane juice, natural flavours, colours... Even the kid's cereals.
EVerything tasted better, everyone felt better after eating. If you ordered a hamburger even at a roadside place.. it would come with lots of vegetables and real cheese.
People in America who park their huge butts down in front of a McDonald's happy meal and wash it down with half a gallon of Coke just make me sick. I can't believe how unhealthy people are in this country.
When I got back from Australia that time, I stopped by the grocery store on my way home and saw a very American thing... two obese little boys... probably about 9 and 10. Waddling through the parking lot, both carrying a case of Mountain Dew in one hand and a hand-held video game in the other. Behind them, their equally fat mother pushing a cart full of soda, potato chips, ice cream and Captain Crunch. I wanted to go slap her and yell "can you not see your fat brats? take away those video games and throw away this garbage you shovel into them, they're going to be dead by the time they're 24."
Bad parenting costs us all. Why should we have to pay because idiot parents can't figure out how to raise healthy kids?
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
I'd say obesity is definitely a very real problem. Prince of Dorkness said it all quite well.
And kudos ShimmyMommy for being a good parent!
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
Joe My God posts this map of the laziest states and cities.
Kinda telling.
i thought number 2 was chicago or south bend. who knew Indy was in the NW corner of the state.
i've been lived in, spent time or been thru in 7 of those cities
Interesting.
Everyone come to Florida.. there's no shortage of sweaty outdoor stuff to do.
I must admit, I'd be a sloth if I lived in the many of those places on that map. I love to eat, but I am constantly active because its easy in Florida. I must also say, i bet it would be tough living in some places that are cold. I feel the need to be outside and doing physical activity year round. well, I guess there is skiing.
FiveB247x, I agree, this seems like a band-aid solution. Why not make the price of healthy food less than that of fast foods? It probably does cost more to make fast food, as you have to grow it, process it, preservative it, package it, then ship it. Then add in the cost on the social health system to take care of the health issues that come from eating fast food so frequently. Whole foods are usually grown, picked and shipped, and help your health.
brianlux, thank you for the compliment.
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
i hate the thought of fostering a kid because of his obesity, but if he is stuck in an environment where he eats fast food 3 times a day 25 times a month, those parents are taking years off of that child's life, and being in medicine, i have a big problem with that. it can be argued that the health problems these parents are causing could be just as bad as mental or physical abuse.
i know counseling and education have helped people tremendously, and i am a big advocate of counseling both for the parents and the obese kids. if the only to educate them is to get them out of that environment of unhealthiness and in to an environment that will teach them how and what to eat i would be in favor of it.
ethically it is a slippery slope, but i feel it is more ethical and potentially causes less harm to the child to foster them rather than put them through an obesity surgery that risks their lives. just my thoughts at the moment...
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Sadly, unhealthy, processed and "fast" foods is MUCH cheaper.
Back in the late 60s/ early 70s, Richard Nixon was worried that the issue of expensive food and starvation would hurt him. So he had pushed for cheaper food. Food makers turned to two substances that had been around for a while but not in very common use... High Fructose Corn Syrup and Trans Fats.
HFCS is cheap... very, very cheap. It takes very little to make things sweet, it doesn't go bad and can sit on shelves for years. Sugar was replaced in most snack foods and lots of foods were developed that would use it.
Trans Fats are... odd. They're vegetable oil that has been bombarded with hydrogen atoms. It gave food makers the ability to do things they'd never done before... have "creamy" substances with no milk products.They could make things like the "Cream filling" in Oreos or Twinkies that wouldn't go bad, even if they weren't refrigerated and sat on shelves for years.
It made food very cheap. Problem was that human bodies had no idea WTF that was.. had no idea how to break it down. HFCS makes your insulin spike radically. But it also stops the "I've had enough food" feeling that you get when you've had enough sugar. The two direct results of this were people who could eat a LOT more and people who got fat. The end result was many children whose pancreases gave up and had what we call "Adult Onset Diabetes" at ages seldom seen before.
Trans Fats can't really be digested either. So they just settled in people's colons leading to cancers, arteries leading to hear disease and strokes... they also absorb a lot of the nutrients you can find in food... but being indigestible, it actually takes them AWAY from you.
This is why Americans are so fat and unhealthy.
The economics of having a huge country where shipping food is expensive.
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
True. But we don't advertise alcohol to kids and serve it to them in "Happy Meals" that come with toys. We don't serve it to them in schools and we don't market it with cartoon characters or place it in movies.
We also don't have the government trying to convince people to drink it and there was never a presidential decree to make it affordable for all.
you're right.. this is bad parenting but when an entire culture is trying to convince your kids to have bad eating habits, it's hard to counteract that message. And those habits stay for a lifetime.
i do beleive you missed the poinot
we do advertise alcohol to adults, just as we advertise fast foods to kids
we use toys for both...alcohol just views hot women as toys, and plenty of booze is drunk in the movies
Now it's up to me to regulate my intake. Too much and I get fat.
We would if they were on the super-value menu for $1.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
Uh... yeah...
But we don't have Television commercials with dancing girls shoving Vokda in our faces and you don't actually GET the girl if you buy the vodka.
AND.. you're an adult. You can sort out advertising from a trusted cartoon character saying "this is what you want."
AND there is no $1 menu for vodka at McDonald's.
It's just not the same thing.
As has been stated, this does nothing to get to the root of the problem....roots that reach to the very heart of capitalism, western culture....and yes, personal responsibility.
I can't really think of a more destructive band-aid solution than taking innocent kids from their families, "for their own good". Can none of you see the irony here? Creating laws against laziness is the fucking laziest possible solution to this problem. Don't deal with the real problems at all, just make a law and take their kids.