Do you understand how much of the contruction industry is travel?
Why do you refer to me as a conservative, because I have a differing opinion?
Why would we tax something that makes up 3% of ghg?
is the construction industry not taxed now? ... fuel is already taxed ...
i call you a conservative because you are anti-environment; anti-social programs and pro-war ... all traits of a conservative ...
i would answer your last question but it puts us back to where we are in the general discussion of global warming ... which is essentially my inability to get you to understand what global warming is ... i've challenged you, i've begged you, i've asked as nice as possible for you to spend some time to learn about it but alas - through all these threads and all these posts ... i can't get you to ... :(
Please find where I am pro-war...
I am anti-environment psuedoscience, and anit-social program abuse. I have come up with many social programs that would be of benefit but the libs here think that they should retain all their rights while not contributing to society.
Anyways do you understand how the construction industry is taxed? Do you understand how much fuel is used?
These taxes would do a great deal of damage to SBE and MBE. And you would probably be the first to complain about inclusion on public jobs. You need to look at who you are affecting.
ghg are mainly water vapor right? about 95%?
Please find where I am pro-war...
I am anti-environment psuedoscience, and anit-social program abuse. I have come up with many social programs that would be of benefit but the libs here think that they should retain all their rights while not contributing to society.
Anyways do you understand how the construction industry is taxed? Do you understand how much fuel is used?
These taxes would do a great deal of damage to SBE and MBE. And you would probably be the first to complain about inclusion on public jobs. You need to look at who you are affecting.
ghg are mainly water vapor right? about 95%?
i really don't have the time nor inclination to point out where you have said that the war in iraq and afghanistan is justified ...
only anti-environment people consider global warming pseudo-science ... your periodic emails such as the one on taxing free time as well as your constant referrals to redistribution of wealth are other indicators ...
do you understand how dirty fuels have been subsidized? ... should we not pay the true cost of something we use?
again - you continue to show your lack of understanding on the subject ... i don't know what else to say to you ... i wished you didn't get all your information from right wing blogs and sources aimed to mislead you but alas - if after all this time, you still choose to ... so be it ... everyone that i've asked to look further and did has changed their tune ... you chose not to ... that's your right ... but i'm not gonna continue to debate the same talking points i've gone over with you numerous times ...
Please find where I am pro-war...
I am anti-environment psuedoscience, and anit-social program abuse. I have come up with many social programs that would be of benefit but the libs here think that they should retain all their rights while not contributing to society.
Anyways do you understand how the construction industry is taxed? Do you understand how much fuel is used?
These taxes would do a great deal of damage to SBE and MBE. And you would probably be the first to complain about inclusion on public jobs. You need to look at who you are affecting.
ghg are mainly water vapor right? about 95%?
i really don't have the time nor inclination to point out where you have said that the war in iraq and afghanistan is justified ...
only anti-environment people consider global warming pseudo-science ... your periodic emails such as the one on taxing free time as well as your constant referrals to redistribution of wealth are other indicators ...
do you understand how dirty fuels have been subsidized? ... should we not pay the true cost of something we use?
again - you continue to show your lack of understanding on the subject ... i don't know what else to say to you ... i wished you didn't get all your information from right wing blogs and sources aimed to mislead you but alas - if after all this time, you still choose to ... so be it ... everyone that i've asked to look further and did has changed their tune ... you chose not to ... that's your right ... but i'm not gonna continue to debate the same talking points i've gone over with you numerous times ...
I have got money sitting in paypal right now for you if you find me where I have said that the war in iraq and afghanistan is justified.
again.
I have got money sitting in paypal right now for you if you find me where I have said that the war in iraq and afghanistan is justified
listen ... first of all ... i could care less about your money ...
you said the killing of innocent civilians is justifiable for defence reasons ... it's pretty obvious i'm talking about iraq and afghanistan unless there are wars you are referring to that i don't know of ...
in any case - if you don't think you are a conservative ... that's fine to ... it's taking away from the integrity of this thread ...
again, no it will not really do that much. yes people my reduce the use of their cars in a small way, and reduce some carbon. but it's gonna hurt people who rely on their cars, people with families and such who do need their cars everyday. but the aim of this tax, which is what we are talking about here, is to stop the top 500 polluting companies in Australia from producing carbon. that will not happen with this tax. they will pass the price of carbon down the line. effecting the people who aren't even producing much carbon at all.
that is the point you don't seem to be getting. the major polluters who are getting taxed will not, and in some cases can not reduce their emission. they will just have to charge more for their product. which will mean the last person along the line, which are families and everyday people, will cop the brunt of everyone ahead of them raising their prices. and there is no one left for them to pass that increase onto. they just have to cop it.
haha ... i get your point ... you don't seem to get mine ... yes, the polluters will initially pass on the cost to consumers but basic supply/demand laws would show that they will lose business - if they aren't losing business, that means they are underpricing their goods or service ... that loss in business should theoretically spur innovation to be more efficient ...
again - a carbon tax is designed to be revenue-neutral in theory ... i'm not sure what australia is doing ... but any incurred costs to the consumers are supposed to be offset in other taxation areas ...
i don't have all the stats but i know both sweden and denmark have had carbon taxes for a while and both those countries saw huge decreases in emissions ...
and again - do you have any solutions? ...
i hope youre right polaris... i hope the rise in cost will spur on innovation. but i have zero faith in the current australian government... they are not a majority government and are only in power due to the largesse of the greens... therefore they have no power and compromise is a big part of their policy. i do not see this as a good way in which to govern.
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i hope youre right polaris... i hope the rise in cost will spur on innovation. but i have zero faith in the current australian government... they are not a majority government and are only in power due to the largesse of the greens... therefore they have no power and compromise is a big part of their policy. i do not see this as a good way in which to govern.
i'll just reiterate that i am not familiar with the workings of the australian gov't but i will say this ...
leadership is about making the decisions that need to be made in light of hardship ... in today's age tho - it is hard to lead simply because people have different priorities ... and when you aim to satisfy all those agendas - it ends up being a clustercuss ... this is the united states right now pretty much ... dysfunctional and in crisis ...
right now as it comes to the environment - the biggest myth out there is that a country can't be prosperous and be environmentally sustainable at the same time ... i've just spent the last 2 mths convincing the executive team at my work that this simply isn't true ... but today greed reigns supreme and its easy for big corporations to pay someone to spread lies and fear monger in order so that they can ensure their profits ...
i hope youre right polaris... i hope the rise in cost will spur on innovation. but i have zero faith in the current australian government... they are not a majority government and are only in power due to the largesse of the greens... therefore they have no power and compromise is a big part of their policy. i do not see this as a good way in which to govern.
i'll just reiterate that i am not familiar with the workings of the australian gov't but i will say this ...
leadership is about making the decisions that need to be made in light of hardship ... in today's age tho - it is hard to lead simply because people have different priorities ... and when you aim to satisfy all those agendas - it ends up being a clustercuss ... this is the united states right now pretty much ... dysfunctional and in crisis ...
right now as it comes to the environment - the biggest myth out there is that a country can't be prosperous and be environmentally sustainable at the same time ... i've just spent the last 2 mths convincing the executive team at my work that this simply isn't true ... but today greed reigns supreme and its easy for big corporations to pay someone to spread lies and fear monger in order so that they can ensure their profits ...
oh i have no doubt a country can be prosperous AND environmentally sustainable.. they just need to rejigger their thinking. and yes fearmongering is a pain in the arse.. people fear what they do not know.. it is that simple. if you say something with authority then the masses, being ignorant, will more than likely believe what it is you say.
australia has al the sun in the world, so to think solar energy can not be a viable alternative to our energy woes is just bullshit..solar enrgy is not exportable as far as i can see.. however the technology surely is.. and it is here that i think my government at least shold be looking. we are hugely reliant on the coal industry ad as we all know, coal is a finite resource... if we looked further into the future and take the initiative then we can be world leaders. and i see no reason not to grab the bull by the horns and just get on with it.
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oh i have no doubt a country can be prosperous AND environmentally sustainable.. they just need to rejigger their thinking. and yes fearmongering is a pain in the arse.. people fear what they do not know.. it is that simple. if you say something with authority then the masses, being ignorant, will more than likely believe what it is you say.
australia has al the sun in the world, so to think solar energy can not be a viable alternative to our energy woes is just bullshit..solar enrgy is not exportable as far as i can see.. however the technology surely is.. and it is here that i think my government at least shold be looking. we are hugely reliant on the coal industry ad as we all know, coal is a finite resource... if we looked further into the future and take the initiative then we can be world leaders. and i see no reason not to grab the bull by the horns and just get on with it.
oh i have no doubt a country can be prosperous AND environmentally sustainable.. they just need to rejigger their thinking. and yes fearmongering is a pain in the arse.. people fear what they do not know.. it is that simple. if you say something with authority then the masses, being ignorant, will more than likely believe what it is you say.
australia has al the sun in the world, so to think solar energy can not be a viable alternative to our energy woes is just bullshit..solar enrgy is not exportable as far as i can see.. however the technology surely is.. and it is here that i think my government at least shold be looking. we are hugely reliant on the coal industry ad as we all know, coal is a finite resource... if we looked further into the future and take the initiative then we can be world leaders. and i see no reason not to grab the bull by the horns and just get on with it.
you know i think if my country does the right thing re: sustainable energy then surely that is the right thing in regards to the planet. im a sceptic, not a cynic... and therefore it is my belief that if all countries that are able, reduce their reliance on fossil fuels and unsustainable energies then first and foremost they benefit themselves and in the bigger picture, the planet. i dont think countries should go into this thinking what is best for the planet, cause it is too large a concept... it is best, as i said to look at what benefits them sustainably. if your entire economy is going to collapse, then dont do it... but if your only barrier is reticence in implementing sustainable energies.... then just do it. cause as far as i can see, and despite what i see as a lack of historical precedence, the only way is up.
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just read that both norway and sweden imposed carbon taxes ... achieved massive reductions and at the same time grew their economy ...
the link below is the entire magazine canadian business - main feature is the green party leader in canada talking about the economy and environment ...
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I am anti-environment psuedoscience, and anit-social program abuse. I have come up with many social programs that would be of benefit but the libs here think that they should retain all their rights while not contributing to society.
Anyways do you understand how the construction industry is taxed? Do you understand how much fuel is used?
These taxes would do a great deal of damage to SBE and MBE. And you would probably be the first to complain about inclusion on public jobs. You need to look at who you are affecting.
ghg are mainly water vapor right? about 95%?
i really don't have the time nor inclination to point out where you have said that the war in iraq and afghanistan is justified ...
only anti-environment people consider global warming pseudo-science ... your periodic emails such as the one on taxing free time as well as your constant referrals to redistribution of wealth are other indicators ...
do you understand how dirty fuels have been subsidized? ... should we not pay the true cost of something we use?
again - you continue to show your lack of understanding on the subject ... i don't know what else to say to you ... i wished you didn't get all your information from right wing blogs and sources aimed to mislead you but alas - if after all this time, you still choose to ... so be it ... everyone that i've asked to look further and did has changed their tune ... you chose not to ... that's your right ... but i'm not gonna continue to debate the same talking points i've gone over with you numerous times ...
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I have got money sitting in paypal right now for you if you find me where I have said that the war in iraq and afghanistan is justified
listen ... first of all ... i could care less about your money ...
you said the killing of innocent civilians is justifiable for defence reasons ... it's pretty obvious i'm talking about iraq and afghanistan unless there are wars you are referring to that i don't know of ...
in any case - if you don't think you are a conservative ... that's fine to ... it's taking away from the integrity of this thread ...
i hope youre right polaris... i hope the rise in cost will spur on innovation. but i have zero faith in the current australian government... they are not a majority government and are only in power due to the largesse of the greens... therefore they have no power and compromise is a big part of their policy. i do not see this as a good way in which to govern.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
i'll just reiterate that i am not familiar with the workings of the australian gov't but i will say this ...
leadership is about making the decisions that need to be made in light of hardship ... in today's age tho - it is hard to lead simply because people have different priorities ... and when you aim to satisfy all those agendas - it ends up being a clustercuss ... this is the united states right now pretty much ... dysfunctional and in crisis ...
right now as it comes to the environment - the biggest myth out there is that a country can't be prosperous and be environmentally sustainable at the same time ... i've just spent the last 2 mths convincing the executive team at my work that this simply isn't true ... but today greed reigns supreme and its easy for big corporations to pay someone to spread lies and fear monger in order so that they can ensure their profits ...
oh i have no doubt a country can be prosperous AND environmentally sustainable.. they just need to rejigger their thinking. and yes fearmongering is a pain in the arse.. people fear what they do not know.. it is that simple. if you say something with authority then the masses, being ignorant, will more than likely believe what it is you say.
australia has al the sun in the world, so to think solar energy can not be a viable alternative to our energy woes is just bullshit..solar enrgy is not exportable as far as i can see.. however the technology surely is.. and it is here that i think my government at least shold be looking. we are hugely reliant on the coal industry ad as we all know, coal is a finite resource... if we looked further into the future and take the initiative then we can be world leaders. and i see no reason not to grab the bull by the horns and just get on with it.
take a good look
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hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
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you know i think if my country does the right thing re: sustainable energy then surely that is the right thing in regards to the planet. im a sceptic, not a cynic... and therefore it is my belief that if all countries that are able, reduce their reliance on fossil fuels and unsustainable energies then first and foremost they benefit themselves and in the bigger picture, the planet. i dont think countries should go into this thinking what is best for the planet, cause it is too large a concept... it is best, as i said to look at what benefits them sustainably. if your entire economy is going to collapse, then dont do it... but if your only barrier is reticence in implementing sustainable energies.... then just do it. cause as far as i can see, and despite what i see as a lack of historical precedence, the only way is up.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
the link below is the entire magazine canadian business - main feature is the green party leader in canada talking about the economy and environment ...
http://www.cbj.ca/EMAG/2011/Aug/CBJ.php
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