i think i should rename my dog
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KILLER.
:shock:
about 2 weeks ago, my beautiful chloe, right in front of me and a friend, killed a squirrel.
yesterday while my mom was visiting, she captured and killed a mouse.
today, she was going nuts in the yard and i knew there was another animal lurking....she lept over a 2 foot fence i have around some plantings into part of the garden she knows she's not allowed (and has never done that before) then lept back out with a baby raccoon in her mouth that she proceeded to quickly and violently shake until she broke the poor things neck.
:? :(
ack!
she then proudly laid down next to her kill, as she did yesterday and a few weeks earlier. she is not a young dog either, 11, but she apparently still got it going on. and yes, i am way too much of a pussy to pick up the dead carcass......thank bejeebus mr. dream gets home in less than 2 hours.
i present to you the face of a killer:
:shock:
about 2 weeks ago, my beautiful chloe, right in front of me and a friend, killed a squirrel.
yesterday while my mom was visiting, she captured and killed a mouse.
today, she was going nuts in the yard and i knew there was another animal lurking....she lept over a 2 foot fence i have around some plantings into part of the garden she knows she's not allowed (and has never done that before) then lept back out with a baby raccoon in her mouth that she proceeded to quickly and violently shake until she broke the poor things neck.
:? :(
ack!
she then proudly laid down next to her kill, as she did yesterday and a few weeks earlier. she is not a young dog either, 11, but she apparently still got it going on. and yes, i am way too much of a pussy to pick up the dead carcass......thank bejeebus mr. dream gets home in less than 2 hours.
i present to you the face of a killer:
Stay with me...
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
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luckily, in the 15 years we've owned our house, never seen a skunk.
honestly, it just amazes me, apparently our suburban backyard has turned into animal kingdom, and apparently our pointer mix turned into a killer! i mean, she is supposed to be a pointer, not killer!
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Many years ago we had a dog named Sadie that was quite the mighty huntress. She chased anything that moved and killed a few mice over the years. She also used to chase the lizards in our yard which we thought was pretty funny since they were WAY faster than she was. But one day she cornered a big one by the porch and killed it. She came trotting up the steps with the lizard hanging out of her mouth and all we could say was AAGH! :wtf:
So years later, with a change of residence and doggie line-up, we've been living at our present residence 3-4 years. There are many feral cats in the neighborhood and we often see them in the yard of the vacant house behind us. I go outside one morning to find Pete and Buffy strangely interested in one part of the yard. When I go to check, there are 2 dead kittens. They aren't newborns but are still fairly small. Doesn't look like the dogs killed them but there they are. Since handling dead animals is my prince's responsibility, I wasn't going to do anything until he got home. But then I look up to see the dogs dragging the kittens. This is too much and I am forced to dispose of them myself.
I told my vet about it not long after that and he pointed out that even though dogs have been domesticated a long time, they are descended from wild animals and they still have strong hunting instincts.
and norm is a retriever...well, part retriever...it's the other parts (probably terrier) where the hunting trait comes out...and he's a shitty hunter...yeah he caught the skunk but skunks aren't speedy animals...hence the spray :x
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she even put a dead bird on my sisters pillow once :shock:
awwww....in cat speak, that's saying i love you. :P
and i know the killer instinct has never been bred out of dogs or cats, but yea...chloe has never killed anything in her 11 years until now....and 3 in under 2 months!
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Maybe she is doing it to seek praise? Considering after she kills it she lies next to it as a presentation?
I have no idea, shot in the dark..i guess
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Maybe she is rabid.
damnit... beat me to it.
I was going to say "Rename her Casey".
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I almost just punched my computer screen.
As an animal lover (and a vegetarian) I'm pretty concerned with all animals, but if my dog started doing this I'd consider getting a paintball gun or something else that you can quickly from afar shock the dog with to stop it from killing. If every time he goes after an animal he gets a hard snap on his butt, I think he'll not want to do it any more... but that's just me. ...and I'm sure a number of you will disagree.
But either way, I wouldn't let my animal kill other animals.
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Thats a really good point u make there
And it kinda relates to my thoughts in that animals dogs can't differentiate between these animals. You cant teach them the difference between a squirrel and a skunk, a rabbit and a cat. So while it may not be a huge deal to some if your cat or dog kills small rodents, it is to me and may be to others, different if your pet killed a cat or a neighbors pet rabbit, or whatever. And i know the OP was concerned w/ the kittens...whether or not they died at the paws of chole killer, we dont know now, but you would have to assume that they did. Even if you just shot off a bb gun into the air or tossed a can filled with change onto the ground, to scare the dog from going after that animal...just something to try and curb the behavior...because you certainly dont want to be responsible for the neighbor's pet turning up dead in your back yard.
and believe me, i AM concerned about my dog killing other animals, absolutely. i feel terrible for the animals, and even for my own dog, i worry about disease. that said, our backyard is fully fenced in with a 6 foot wood fence. any animal that gets in has to climb/fly/burrow into our yard. also, we had a cat for 20 years, so chloe does know the difference there. suburban wildlife is all that need worry, and trust me, i DO try to stop her...but no, i am not shooting her with a paintgun. besides, i am usually lounging around when it occurs, so i'd have to always have this 'weapon' within close range....so yea, no thanks. usually chloe is VERY compliant, and she does drop the animal and stay away once i tell her to.....but the finding/killing happens sooooo fast. i am just amazed she jumped into an area she's not allowed...but i think the little raccoon was just too big a temptation b/c there have been numerous squirrels over the years that ran thru there and she'd stalk and point, but never jump in. and no, she's not rabid...her shots are all up to date. it's just natural instinct.
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At the time we had many feral cats in the neighborhood due to so many people feeding them and the cats were always breeding. We sometimes saw mama cats carrying their kittens from place to place. I don't know why these 2 were in my yard. Neither of these dogs ever killed anything else that I'm aware of, so it seemed strange to think they'd killed the kittens. It bothered me a lot at the time to think my dogs might have done it and trying to figure out what happened. But it was quite a few years ago and there's no way of knowing.
well, she is a hunting dog....right? maybe she's bored and needs more activity.
i wonder if putting a bell on her collar (when she's outside) would scare away any critters.
Not many of *us* are old enough to remember him... you tipped your hand, my dear fellow.
i really was just sharing an anecdotal story, and sure, a wee bit amazed/saddened by it all...didn't think i had to go into such exacting details, but really, i should know better here. :P
so hereya go:
no, the dog is not bored. i did mention..she's eleven. i think if she were bored with her lifestyle, it would've been exhibited far earlier. also, if anything, she is enjoying life even more nowdays b/c i am home with them all the time, a lot more active, outdoors, etc. secondly, chloe IS a good, compliant dog. she wants to please you, but yes, she is a dog.
the more my husband and i discussed it, the more we're convinced the raccoon was injured. firstly, raccoons are nocturnal animals, and this occurred smack dab in the middle of the day. also, i believe i mentioned, we have 2 foot fencing surrounding probably 85% of our garden beds, mostly to keep the dogs out, to stop them from trampling my plants, and also to keep them a distance from the 6 foot wood fence that surrounds the perimeter of our yard b/c one of our neighbors have 2 pit bulls, and yea, we don't look for trouble. yes, i knew chloe could more than likely jump the fencing, but as i said, she is a good dog and understands the space is off limits, she has never jumped it before, ever. and there have been plenty of other temptations - squirrels running about, etc.
here's the thing - the raccoon was out in the daytime, it was in the garden bed running around. chloe ran around the perimeter of the fence a good 5-10 minutes. the raccoon had ample time to escape - run up any number of trees, up the outer fence, however it got there in the first place. it didn't. looking back, its more my fault than chloe's as is usually the case with pets. i should've brought her in. i just thought whatever was in the garden bed would move on. so yea, i think the animal was injured. so even if i brought chloe in, the thing more than likely would've died out there in any case....or maybe somehow got out, idk. thing is tho, eventually something would need to be done.
as to the squirrel, well that was just dumb luck. the squirrel ran under our outdoor dining table, then the dogs spotted it, and instead of running to the outer fence, it ran into the center of the lawn. i am sorry but ANY dog would case something running, it's like a game to them, and yes...pure instinct. as to the mouse...poor little guy happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time - a small area of the garden the dogs have access to. again, it is merely instinctual. i doubt any other dog would behave otherwise, and to suggest i shoot my dog with a paintball gun or anything else, basically to punish it for it's natural instincts, well, i just disagree with that.
when i was a child we had a cat that used to hunt birds and mice, and then bring them home...as a prize, and yes...as a sign of affection. dogs like to chase and hunt and catch, you cant change that. we've done much to protect the wildlife around but we can't do everything. and yes of course i yelled at chloe when she went after all 3 animals, but again, you can't punish an animal for doing what comes naturally. thereya go.
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
My eclectic pack collectively are very poor hunters.
Evidence #1: One night the three of them ran out the basement door, directly past a table that held a bin of fish food. A full-grown adult possum was on the table, trying to get at the fish food. It played dead (as possums are wont to do) and they never even noticed it. They went out, did their business, trotted by the possum again, and all ran back upstairs to the kitchen to stand by the treat jar for their goodnight Milk Bone.
Evidence #2-783: Every single day, squirrels run along the top of the six-foot-high wooden fence at the back of our yard. Every day Sweet Pea, the Treeing Walker Coonhound, runs to the edge of the second-floor deck, stands up on her hind legs to survey the yard, spies the squirrels, lets out a mighty howl (thereby alerting squirrels in a quarter-mile radius), and runs down the stairs. By the time she reaches the fence, the squirrels are in the yard next door, openly mocking her.
that there is a lot of words missy.