THis is the second post where you said the 10 club spoils members. I sure don't feel spoiled. I pay for something and they provide it. That's it.
Yes, you are right - you pay for it and they provide it. Nothing special, just doing normal business. But I do appreciate 10c fighting for us. I can't remember the exact numbers and when I read this (you might be more familiar with this than I am), but Ticketmaster made it more difficult for fan clubs to provide tickets for the members. Didn't they reduce the number of seats available for fan clubs to about 5% - 8% of the seats in a venue? The ten club fought to keep their number at 10% of the seats, offering more of us a chance to get some awesome seats. Do all bands offer their fans a chance at seats like Pearl Jam does? I really don't know. Maybe it is this ignorance that makes me feel spoiled and special.
But damn it! I still have never had front row seats and I have a relatively good number. Here is to hoping....
i wholeheartedly agree with you.
i've seen fans like that.
hell i've SAT with fans like that.
some of us more appreciative fans are just happy to be there.
and what's more, if having 'shitty' seats at a show is your biggest problem, then you've got it pretty fucking good. some people would kill just to have the OPTION of going to a show when they'd like.
I think anyone who has had a membership for at least 5 years should be equal.
I like this suggestion. There are some people that seem to feel entitled to the great seats they get show after show. I get semi-decent seats with my membership, but know I could never see them close unless I got a set in the 4 random rows, which they just started this past tour. If someone has been in the club that long I feel they deserve to have an equal chance at ALL the best seats. Randomize the best seats among those with a determined length of membership, and then randomize the rest of the fan club seats among the rest.
I saw proof of this entitlement when the infamous Grand Rapids "mistake" happened. I thought a member was gonna cry when he mentioned to me that he got tickets on the side which was wrong because he was always fourth row. That turned out to be a great show and great experience for me.
This weekend when I got 3rd row tickets to see Eddie, it was a fantastic experience for me from the moment the show started. Meanwhile some people behind me talked about their 4th row seats like it was no big deal because they regularly get great seats when they see Pearl Jam.
This seniority system that is currently in place has lead to the lull in excitement for the fans up front. Part of what made the 2006 Grand Rapids show so great was Pearl Jam having a bunch of excited fans up front going crazy energizing the band. I've also heard about experiences from other members who got great seats for Eddie solo and the PJ ticket lottery resulting in some amazing experiences.
This system has also lead to some senior members acting like they are better fans than members with less seniority. 10 Club - Please make some changes like these to the ticket distribution or find another way to fix this rift in the Club before you end up with the level of elitism that caused Trent Reznor to disband the Spiral fan club
I'm spoiled by the music, the experience, and the people at a concert, simple enough to always enjoy myself, anyone that needs more I pity, cause I feel you'll never get as good as experience as I do.
going to my 6th Ed solo show this Friday night, been 2nd row twice, 5th row for Mike's appearance at Berkeley II, balcony twice, and we'll see where Friday lands me, last row up top, front row, or on the toilet in the venue with diarrhea, I'll be the one will a smile on my face.
here's hoping everyone can enjoy the shows unconditionally, and as much or even more than I do. Who knows if Ed will do it again, though I think he's enjoying himself, so there's a good chance it will.
"Music, for me, was fucking heroin." eV (nothing Ed has said is more true for me personally than this quote)
So the people who have paid their dues year after year should just get cast aside because some people decided that the 10C wasn't worth the effort???
Yeah...makes perfect sense...if you are one of the people who said screw it!!!
Paid your dues?!?! We're not shareholders of the band, only selfish hardcore fans trying to weasel our way into getting the best seats!
Dues to you are reluctantly and painfully enduring years of paying $10-$20 a year on a membership? now you deserve a reward for all your hard work and dedication, getting the best seats for EVERY single show? That makes no sense and I can't believe this works in getting good tix; what is even more amazing is that so many people passionately believe in this...
Probably going to get yelled at, but I want to share a different perspective: Believe me, I am happy to be in the building. I pick up my 10c tickets and, like most people picking up their tickets, I am hoping to get row a or b (which was row 3 & 4 in dc.) Part of the excitement of the shows is not knowing where your seats are going to be until the day of the show. There is always the hope (which I love that 10c provides this for me every show) I am going to be in one of those rows in the center. When I see I am in a row other than this, yes, I admit I am disappointed. It is not due to a sense of entitlement or being spoiled (though 10c does spoil us.) It is due to having the hope gone. I am still happy to be going to the show. I just know that from the further back rows I have very little chance of catching a pick, drinking from Ed's wine bottle, or getting a tambourine. And, yes, I realize I get to hear a great show and I don't have to have a pick to enjoy the show. But for that little bit of time that the hope has vanished, I, personally, will be a little disappointed. I am not mad at 10c or think I am entitled to the front row. And, quite possibly, the other people you perceive to be acting on a sense of entitlement aren't either.
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Give me a break. Everybody wants to be up front. Most people with high numbers want the lottery so they can sit up front. Most people with low numbers want to keep seniority. To complain that people up front have "low energy" doesn't mean that they don't deserve to be there. They are probably tired from paying their dues for the last 17 years so give them a break.
Its fine to be disappointed with your ticket selection. That is always going to happen whenever anything is random unless you win the jackpot. So relax and stop worrying about other people, it will make you feel better.
I was at DC2 last night & got great seats center orch row L - 12th row). I was so excited to be there in such a small intimate venue. (especially with a 430xxx 10c number. Thanks 10c!)
Anyway, the 2 guys in front of me (row K) got their tickets & figured out they were in row 11. The one guy looks at the other one & says "That sucks" & a girl behind me in line got row G (row 7) & siad she wasn't very happy. ARE YOU KIDDING ME?!!!!! How spoiled are you - people wouuld kill for those seats. I will probably never be that close again. The two guys looked bored & even left during the end of the 1st encore.
I am so happy they did random seating (even for PJ - I didn't win the lottery but the people who won looked very happy).
I was just so put off by those who thought they "deserved" better seats. Those of us with higher numbers deserve to be there as much as you do - and we are happy just to be there. If your seats sucked so much, I'm sure someone up in the balcony would've traded with you in a second.
UNREAL!!!! (sorry, just had to vent!)
24 hours after an amazing EV show, and this is what you are thinking about? Maybe you should have just watched and enjoyed a great EV show instead of being nosy? Getting upset about your seats because you were hoping for front row is something EVERYONE who didn't get front row went through! Did they have their 10C number tattooed on their forehead? How do you know these people felt entitled to better seats? Maybe their number is worse than yours, and they were hoping for once to be up front?
How can you judge what kind of time someone is having? Maybe someone they know passed away before the show, and they didn't feel like jumping around like idiots the entire time?
My husband told me they left early, at that point I was up near the stage.
Or they went to buy a poster and watch the end of the show from the back? You just don't know! As you said, it doesn't matter where your seats are as long as you are in the building. So why does it matter if you catch the last song from the near the exit.... or feel the need to run to the stage? You know those people that thinks that the rules don't apply to them, and they can just crowd the aisle at the front of the stage? You must not be happy with your seats if you leave them to go near the stage.
Hey for my two Massey Hall shows, Nite 1, I was 4th row and even got to go right to the stage when Ed fell backwards into the crowd. For nite 2, I was stage right and about 14th row. Still awesome seats, I sure as hell wasn't about to bitch and wine about them.. Of course I'd love 4th row every nite, but fuck, I'm lucky enough being there at that venue. Thank you 10c!!
People really need to stop whining and start appreciating what the 10C does for all of us!
Joe
"It's Evolution Baby"
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People really need to stop whining and start appreciating what the 10C does for all of us!
True that! Like I said earlier, I got shut out of 10C pre-sale for MSG 1 and 2 as well as both EV Solo shows that I went to. But I got tickets through TM. Would I have LOVED 10C seats? Absolutely, but I got in the door and had an amazing time nevertheless. I've never had that experience of being right up close (with the exception of the Borgata - which I also scored through TM). Someday, I hope I will. But in the mean time, as long as I get to go, I'm lucky! And I still appreciate 10C! Just my bad luck I didn't score. It is what it is!
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Let those loser fans try living in europe and read about the EV shows instead of actually attending them.
Fuckers, makes me furious.
or Seattle and Portland.
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Paid your dues?!?! We're not shareholders of the band, only selfish hardcore fans trying to weasel our way into getting the best seats!
Dues to you are reluctantly and painfully enduring years of paying $10-$20 a year on a membership? now you deserve a reward for all your hard work and dedication, getting the best seats for EVERY single show? That makes no sense and I can't believe this works in getting good tix; what is even more amazing is that so many people passionately believe in this...
All that REALLY matters is that the band thinks that those who have "paid their dues" faithfully for 17 years deserve to sit close on a consistent basis. What you or anyone else thinks of it is irrelevant. It's their band and their fanclub. The fans that have stuck by them and not said "Fuck them... The fanclub didn't send my my VHC newlsetter, so they suck, and this band sucks, and I'm not sending in my $5 this year... " Well those fans sit behind the ones who who didn't decide to quit because the fan club "sucked" in the 90's (how a business that charged $5 a year... and sent a Christmas present for that $$ sucked is byond me.... but apparently some people thought they sucked then.)
Yes. There is a lottery now. People with low #'s still sit close. It's what the band wants... So sorry. If you quit the fan club in 94 and re-joined in 2002 you do not get rows three and four. You just DO NOT. And neither do I.
Sad, I tell you.
This board is full of the biggest complainers. If someone overhears someone saying... "Damn!!! 14th row!?!?!? I travelled 6 hours to get to the show and was REALY hoping for better. :( Oh well." Then they go to the show and have a great time...that's someone overhearing a passing comment...
A thread like this is full of people TOTALLY whining and complaining about Pearl Jam fans. Whiners. Complainers.
I was at DC2 last night & got great seats center orch row L - 12th row). I was so excited to be there in such a small intimate venue. (especially with a 430xxx 10c number. Thanks 10c!)
Anyway, the 2 guys in front of me (row K) got their tickets & figured out they were in row 11. The one guy looks at the other one & says "That sucks" & a girl behind me in line got row G (row 7) & siad she wasn't very happy. ARE YOU KIDDING ME?!!!!! How spoiled are you - people wouuld kill for those seats. I will probably never be that close again. The two guys looked bored & even left during the end of the 1st encore.
I am so happy they did random seating (even for PJ - I didn't win the lottery but the people who won looked very happy).
I was just so put off by those who thought they "deserved" better seats. Those of us with higher numbers deserve to be there as much as you do - and we are happy just to be there. If your seats sucked so much, I'm sure someone up in the balcony would've traded with you in a second.
UNREAL!!!! (sorry, just had to vent!)
i personally think this is nit picking. most REAL fans are happy to just be in the building, without having to deal with ticketbastard directly. you are prolly talking about less than 3-5% of the hard core(long term) fans, when making this post.
So the people who have paid their dues year after year should just get cast aside because some people decided that the 10C wasn't worth the effort???
Yeah...makes perfect sense...if you are one of the people who said screw it!!!
I don't want to get into the whole "I'm a bigger fan than you" argument that it seems many like to have, but my mother was diagnosed with cancer in 1998 and died in 1999. I was 1000 miles from home to take care of her and I didn't send my SASE in on time to renew my membership so I guess I did't pay my dues.
At the time I wasn't all that into sending in postcards to try and get tickets to a show that I couldn't go to anyway.
Now, it is easy to renew, I renew it for another year every time I buy stuff. I think my membership is good through 2015.
Do you have any picks or tamborines or have you hit the bottle?
I have two of Mike's picks. One my friend grabbed and very nicely gave to me (she isn't a big fan, just a big fan of the great seats and I appreciate her going with me) and the other I got after the show - it was one that hadn't quite made it into the crowd and the security guard gave it to me. I have been known to occasionally hit the bottle, but I have never taken a swig from Ed's bottle. Never been close enough.
Aside from finding a cure for cancer, ending world hunger, and bringing world peace to everyone, my other goal is to one day legitimately sit center in one of the first two rows for a PJ show. I faithfully renew my membership every year since 1995 and I am having a great time trying to attain this lofty goal.
I think these complainers are not a representative sample of people who have been in the club a long time. I was not able to get tickets through the 10C this time, but I was very happy to be able to attend in Ticketmaster seats.
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I like this suggestion. There are some people that seem to feel entitled to the great seats they get show after show.
This system has also lead to some senior members acting like they are better fans than members with less seniority. 10 Club - Please make some changes like these to the ticket distribution or find another way to fix this rift in the Club before you end up with the level of elitism that caused Trent Reznor to disband the Spiral fan club
I understand that it would not be fair to let somone who just jumped on in August 2008 to get front row. Nor, do you want a-holes selling their tickets as soon as they get them. The closest I have been is 10th row. Usually I am in the last rows on the floor. Couldn't the rest of us at least get a shot at being up close. I guess that is where stubhub and ticketmaster come in.
I am grateful to get in the building, but it would be nice to be in the "club" down front.
I think these complainers are not a representative sample of people who have been in the club a long time. I was not able to get tickets through the 10C this time, but I was very happy to be able to attend in Ticketmaster seats.
OK...To me it's simple.
They are not "complainers.." Most at least.
BUT...If you know you are going to get tickets in rows 2-15 and the odds of row 2 or whatever are lets say 1/200... you have an equal chance of getting row 2 as 15 and you get 15... or 13... most humans will get a slight and brief rush of disappointment. "Oh. Crap. :(. Row 15."
Let's say you bought some type of raffle ticket...where everyone is guaranteed to win something. Tickets are $5. You know you will win some $$. It's a guaranteed winner. 200 tickets were sold and prizes range from $5 the grand prize winner of $5000. When you scratch off YOUR ticket it's a $5 or even a $10 winner you may feel a little disappointed. Especially when others around you are like..."OMG!! $500!!!...I got $50! Holy crap I won the jackpot!!!! $5000!!!"
Yes. You should be happy that you were even able to buy that $5 ticket with the chances of 1/200 that you could win$5000... but there may be some initial disappointment when you discover you are a $5 winner. Then you get over it.
Human nature people. Human fucking nature.
**especially when you see that your 13th row seats are AWESOME!!!**
I was at DC2 last night & got great seats center orch row L - 12th row). I was so excited to be there in such a small intimate venue. (especially with a 430xxx 10c number. Thanks 10c!)
Anyway, the 2 guys in front of me (row K) got their tickets & figured out they were in row 11. The one guy looks at the other one & says "That sucks" & a girl behind me in line got row G (row 7) & siad she wasn't very happy. ARE YOU KIDDING ME?!!!!! How spoiled are you - people wouuld kill for those seats. I will probably never be that close again. The two guys looked bored & even left during the end of the 1st encore.
I am so happy they did random seating (even for PJ - I didn't win the lottery but the people who won looked very happy).
I was just so put off by those who thought they "deserved" better seats. Those of us with higher numbers deserve to be there as much as you do - and we are happy just to be there. If your seats sucked so much, I'm sure someone up in the balcony would've traded with you in a second.
UNREAL!!!! (sorry, just had to vent!)
that's the classic 'half full/half empty' scenario. Heck the best i did was row 11 and row 12 with 10c and i was very grateful. i don't get the whiners either. Perhaps they would like to resign their 10c memberships?
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Paid your dues?!?! We're not shareholders of the band, only selfish hardcore fans trying to weasel our way into getting the best seats!
Dues to you are reluctantly and painfully enduring years of paying $10-$20 a year on a membership? now you deserve a reward for all your hard work and dedication, getting the best seats for EVERY single show? That makes no sense and I can't believe this works in getting good tix; what is even more amazing is that so many people passionately believe in this...
Here is your lesson for today...free of charge:
dues - a regular fee or charge payable at specific intervals, esp. to a group or organization: membership dues.
I was at DC2 last night & got great seats center orch row L - 12th row). I was so excited to be there in such a small intimate venue. (especially with a 430xxx 10c number. Thanks 10c!)
Anyway, the 2 guys in front of me (row K) got their tickets & figured out they were in row 11. The one guy looks at the other one & says "That sucks" & a girl behind me in line got row G (row 7) & siad she wasn't very happy. ARE YOU KIDDING ME?!!!!! How spoiled are you - people wouuld kill for those seats. I will probably never be that close again. The two guys looked bored & even left during the end of the 1st encore.
I am so happy they did random seating (even for PJ - I didn't win the lottery but the people who won looked very happy).
I was just so put off by those who thought they "deserved" better seats. Those of us with higher numbers deserve to be there as much as you do - and we are happy just to be there. If your seats sucked so much, I'm sure someone up in the balcony would've traded with you in a second.
UNREAL!!!! (sorry, just had to vent!)
I'm glad someone like you were able to get great seats that you were very happy to have. It is messed up that these spoiled bitches can't appreciate just BEING THERE, and sit and sulk because they can count Eddie's nose hairs.
bitches.
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I was all prepared to be a little disappointed with my 10C seats for EVDC2, after seeing what was released via TM the week of the show. Early in the week I pulled up row K. The morning of the show I pulled up row D. I was thinking to myself that if my 10C seats weren't REALLY good, I was going to be a little disappointed. It has nothing to do with entitlement - but rather knowing I could have done better via TM.
Luckily, the 10C came through in a big way - Row A. Holy crap. THANK YOU 10C! :-)
But note that "disappointed" isn't the same as thinking the seats suck. As far as I'm concerned, if there are more people behind me than in front of me - then my seats do not suck. I find it hard to believe that any of the 10C seats really sucked in DC.
It has nothing to do with entitlement - but rather knowing I could have done better via TM.
I understand what you're saying, but it's a relative handful of tickets that trickle out, for whatever reason(s), that are better than some 10-C seats.
But ALL of the crappy seats in the venue are Ticketmaster.
It's largely a myth that you could do better with them than 10-C.
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Yes, you are right - you pay for it and they provide it. Nothing special, just doing normal business. But I do appreciate 10c fighting for us. I can't remember the exact numbers and when I read this (you might be more familiar with this than I am), but Ticketmaster made it more difficult for fan clubs to provide tickets for the members. Didn't they reduce the number of seats available for fan clubs to about 5% - 8% of the seats in a venue? The ten club fought to keep their number at 10% of the seats, offering more of us a chance to get some awesome seats. Do all bands offer their fans a chance at seats like Pearl Jam does? I really don't know. Maybe it is this ignorance that makes me feel spoiled and special.
But damn it! I still have never had front row seats and I have a relatively good number. Here is to hoping....
i've seen fans like that.
hell i've SAT with fans like that.
some of us more appreciative fans are just happy to be there.
and what's more, if having 'shitty' seats at a show is your biggest problem, then you've got it pretty fucking good. some people would kill just to have the OPTION of going to a show when they'd like.
I like this suggestion. There are some people that seem to feel entitled to the great seats they get show after show. I get semi-decent seats with my membership, but know I could never see them close unless I got a set in the 4 random rows, which they just started this past tour. If someone has been in the club that long I feel they deserve to have an equal chance at ALL the best seats. Randomize the best seats among those with a determined length of membership, and then randomize the rest of the fan club seats among the rest.
I saw proof of this entitlement when the infamous Grand Rapids "mistake" happened. I thought a member was gonna cry when he mentioned to me that he got tickets on the side which was wrong because he was always fourth row. That turned out to be a great show and great experience for me.
This weekend when I got 3rd row tickets to see Eddie, it was a fantastic experience for me from the moment the show started. Meanwhile some people behind me talked about their 4th row seats like it was no big deal because they regularly get great seats when they see Pearl Jam.
This seniority system that is currently in place has lead to the lull in excitement for the fans up front. Part of what made the 2006 Grand Rapids show so great was Pearl Jam having a bunch of excited fans up front going crazy energizing the band. I've also heard about experiences from other members who got great seats for Eddie solo and the PJ ticket lottery resulting in some amazing experiences.
This system has also lead to some senior members acting like they are better fans than members with less seniority. 10 Club - Please make some changes like these to the ticket distribution or find another way to fix this rift in the Club before you end up with the level of elitism that caused Trent Reznor to disband the Spiral fan club
The third row at the Warner is Row A. Row 1 is AA and Row 2 is BB.
going to my 6th Ed solo show this Friday night, been 2nd row twice, 5th row for Mike's appearance at Berkeley II, balcony twice, and we'll see where Friday lands me, last row up top, front row, or on the toilet in the venue with diarrhea, I'll be the one will a smile on my face.
here's hoping everyone can enjoy the shows unconditionally, and as much or even more than I do. Who knows if Ed will do it again, though I think he's enjoying himself, so there's a good chance it will.
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Paid your dues?!?! We're not shareholders of the band, only selfish hardcore fans trying to weasel our way into getting the best seats!
Dues to you are reluctantly and painfully enduring years of paying $10-$20 a year on a membership? now you deserve a reward for all your hard work and dedication, getting the best seats for EVERY single show? That makes no sense and I can't believe this works in getting good tix; what is even more amazing is that so many people passionately believe in this...
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Its fine to be disappointed with your ticket selection. That is always going to happen whenever anything is random unless you win the jackpot. So relax and stop worrying about other people, it will make you feel better.
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24 hours after an amazing EV show, and this is what you are thinking about? Maybe you should have just watched and enjoyed a great EV show instead of being nosy? Getting upset about your seats because you were hoping for front row is something EVERYONE who didn't get front row went through! Did they have their 10C number tattooed on their forehead? How do you know these people felt entitled to better seats? Maybe their number is worse than yours, and they were hoping for once to be up front?
How can you judge what kind of time someone is having? Maybe someone they know passed away before the show, and they didn't feel like jumping around like idiots the entire time?
Or they went to buy a poster and watch the end of the show from the back? You just don't know! As you said, it doesn't matter where your seats are as long as you are in the building. So why does it matter if you catch the last song from the near the exit.... or feel the need to run to the stage? You know those people that thinks that the rules don't apply to them, and they can just crowd the aisle at the front of the stage? You must not be happy with your seats if you leave them to go near the stage.
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People really need to stop whining and start appreciating what the 10C does for all of us!
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True that! Like I said earlier, I got shut out of 10C pre-sale for MSG 1 and 2 as well as both EV Solo shows that I went to. But I got tickets through TM. Would I have LOVED 10C seats? Absolutely, but I got in the door and had an amazing time nevertheless. I've never had that experience of being right up close (with the exception of the Borgata - which I also scored through TM). Someday, I hope I will. But in the mean time, as long as I get to go, I'm lucky! And I still appreciate 10C! Just my bad luck I didn't score. It is what it is!
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or Seattle and Portland.
All that REALLY matters is that the band thinks that those who have "paid their dues" faithfully for 17 years deserve to sit close on a consistent basis. What you or anyone else thinks of it is irrelevant. It's their band and their fanclub. The fans that have stuck by them and not said "Fuck them... The fanclub didn't send my my VHC newlsetter, so they suck, and this band sucks, and I'm not sending in my $5 this year... " Well those fans sit behind the ones who who didn't decide to quit because the fan club "sucked" in the 90's (how a business that charged $5 a year... and sent a Christmas present for that $$ sucked is byond me.... but apparently some people thought they sucked then.)
Yes. There is a lottery now. People with low #'s still sit close. It's what the band wants... So sorry. If you quit the fan club in 94 and re-joined in 2002 you do not get rows three and four. You just DO NOT. And neither do I.
Sad, I tell you.
This board is full of the biggest complainers. If someone overhears someone saying... "Damn!!! 14th row!?!?!? I travelled 6 hours to get to the show and was REALY hoping for better. :( Oh well." Then they go to the show and have a great time...that's someone overhearing a passing comment...
A thread like this is full of people TOTALLY whining and complaining about Pearl Jam fans. Whiners. Complainers.
POT CALLING KETTLE BLACK.
i personally think this is nit picking. most REAL fans are happy to just be in the building, without having to deal with ticketbastard directly. you are prolly talking about less than 3-5% of the hard core(long term) fans, when making this post.
glass 1/2 full
I don't want to get into the whole "I'm a bigger fan than you" argument that it seems many like to have, but my mother was diagnosed with cancer in 1998 and died in 1999. I was 1000 miles from home to take care of her and I didn't send my SASE in on time to renew my membership so I guess I did't pay my dues.
At the time I wasn't all that into sending in postcards to try and get tickets to a show that I couldn't go to anyway.
Now, it is easy to renew, I renew it for another year every time I buy stuff. I think my membership is good through 2015.
I have two of Mike's picks. One my friend grabbed and very nicely gave to me (she isn't a big fan, just a big fan of the great seats and I appreciate her going with me) and the other I got after the show - it was one that hadn't quite made it into the crowd and the security guard gave it to me. I have been known to occasionally hit the bottle, but I have never taken a swig from Ed's bottle. Never been close enough.
Aside from finding a cure for cancer, ending world hunger, and bringing world peace to everyone, my other goal is to one day legitimately sit center in one of the first two rows for a PJ show. I faithfully renew my membership every year since 1995 and I am having a great time trying to attain this lofty goal.
That's beautiful and true. And I say that as someone who missed out on 10c tickets and enjoyed the show from the Upper Loge in NYC
Most recent: 2018 Stadium shows: Seattle 2, Missoula, Fenway 1 and 2; 2022: Oakland 1 and 2
I understand that it would not be fair to let somone who just jumped on in August 2008 to get front row. Nor, do you want a-holes selling their tickets as soon as they get them. The closest I have been is 10th row. Usually I am in the last rows on the floor. Couldn't the rest of us at least get a shot at being up close. I guess that is where stubhub and ticketmaster come in.
I am grateful to get in the building, but it would be nice to be in the "club" down front.
OK...To me it's simple.
They are not "complainers.." Most at least.
BUT...If you know you are going to get tickets in rows 2-15 and the odds of row 2 or whatever are lets say 1/200... you have an equal chance of getting row 2 as 15 and you get 15... or 13... most humans will get a slight and brief rush of disappointment. "Oh. Crap. :(. Row 15."
Let's say you bought some type of raffle ticket...where everyone is guaranteed to win something. Tickets are $5. You know you will win some $$. It's a guaranteed winner. 200 tickets were sold and prizes range from $5 the grand prize winner of $5000. When you scratch off YOUR ticket it's a $5 or even a $10 winner you may feel a little disappointed. Especially when others around you are like..."OMG!! $500!!!...I got $50! Holy crap I won the jackpot!!!! $5000!!!"
Yes. You should be happy that you were even able to buy that $5 ticket with the chances of 1/200 that you could win$5000... but there may be some initial disappointment when you discover you are a $5 winner. Then you get over it.
Human nature people. Human fucking nature.
**especially when you see that your 13th row seats are AWESOME!!!**
They did that exact thing this year! The lottery!!!!!!
Even if you are 10c # 8xxx there were going to MOST likely be two rows of people in front of you... made up of people with much higher 10c#'s.
And the seat locations become competition -- not for optimum sound or view, necessarily, but to know your seats are better than the next guy's.
This is a generalization, of course, but annoying none the less.
made him ... want to be everywhere
there's a ... lot to be said for nowhere."
that's the classic 'half full/half empty' scenario. Heck the best i did was row 11 and row 12 with 10c and i was very grateful. i don't get the whiners either. Perhaps they would like to resign their 10c memberships?
Montreal/98, Toronto/00'03'05'06x2, Brad Toronto/02, Buffalo/03, Kitchener/05, London/05, Hamilton/05, Late Show Taping/06, Cleveland/06, Pittsburgh/06, Bridge School Benefit Concert/06, Hartford/08, Mansfield 1/08, EV Montreal/08x2, EV Toronto/08x2...
Here is your lesson for today...free of charge:
dues - a regular fee or charge payable at specific intervals, esp. to a group or organization: membership dues.
I'm glad someone like you were able to get great seats that you were very happy to have. It is messed up that these spoiled bitches can't appreciate just BEING THERE, and sit and sulk because they can count Eddie's nose hairs.
bitches.
First PJ Show: March 20, 1994 | Ann Arbor | Crisler Arena
Luckily, the 10C came through in a big way - Row A. Holy crap. THANK YOU 10C! :-)
But note that "disappointed" isn't the same as thinking the seats suck. As far as I'm concerned, if there are more people behind me than in front of me - then my seats do not suck. I find it hard to believe that any of the 10C seats really sucked in DC.
I understand what you're saying, but it's a relative handful of tickets that trickle out, for whatever reason(s), that are better than some 10-C seats.
But ALL of the crappy seats in the venue are Ticketmaster.
It's largely a myth that you could do better with them than 10-C.
made him ... want to be everywhere
there's a ... lot to be said for nowhere."