a question for ron paul supporters

mikepegg44

Halifax2TheMax wrote:

I wonder if Ron Paul and his son aren't wistful for the days of when everything was in order and everyone knew their place. You know, like maybe the 1950's or 1920's. Back when everything was black or white, no shades of gray. Or maybe, Ron Paul would like to see the "United" states of America be Balkanized, where every state has their own rules and regulations and a weak central government. Ask Serbia, Croatia and Bosnia how that worked out. And then ask yourself whether A. Ron Paul would support Rick Perry and Texas seceding, for State's rights and B. whether he would make all of these same arguments as a private citizen and not as a Congressman, making his living off the taxpayers while sucking from the teat of Government.

Put your money where your mouth is, Mr. Paul, and make your argument with your own hard earned money and not mine. But I digress.

And I would ask, what benefit is there from auditing the Fed? What would the end result be? And from whence would you start? Since 1776? Maybe it should be 1789? No, how about after the Civil War, maybe 1866 or so, after the dust settled? No, no, maybe it should be since Wilson and the League of Nations? Naw, how about after Wounded Knee? No way man, the true malfeasance didn't start until after the labor riots in the 30's. Naw, I think it should start after the Carter Administration took office. All that wasteful spending of deploying missiles to Europe. Nope, it should start with Clinton and all that cocaine that was flown into Arkansas and having that poor chap murdered in the White House and disposed of in a park rolled in a carpet. And Ken Starr! How much did he cost again? No, but excuse me, it should really start with W. taking office and funding the Valerie Palme outing. I mean yellow cake in Nigeria? Can you imagine? Those pesky Iraqis. Yellow cake! And mushroom clouds! Oh my! (Iran is next, war is good for the defense industry and certain unemployed folks). Would Ron bring back the draft?

Please, audit the Fed. That's a plank in your platform?

Yup, lets go back to the rich can take care of themselves and fuck everybody else. And we'll call it State's rights and rugged individualism. The difference now is that there is no where else you can go to be "free", "individual" or "rich." The 1% don't want your kind.

Please point me to all the legislation introduced by Sir Ron that cuts funding to Israel, and all foreign funding in general, or pretends to address half of what he campaigns on. He, more than most, has the power to do such a thing.

Sleep tight.

Peace.

in a somewhat feeble attempt to get this thing back on track before i participated in derailing it, I will post this to Halifax again in the hopes of a response --

how about starting in 1913, you know...when the federal reserve was created. You may want to read about the system before discussing the merit of an audit.

Also, your reference to the Balkans in terms of states rights is laughable.

the dollar has lost 96% of its value since the fed was created. but yeah, how america gets its money should never be checked...just keep printing it and spending through bust cycles that were caused by spending that propped up and gave false value to entire portions of the economy.
But you are right, attacking Ron Paul is the solution...let's keep voting for Keynesian A (democrat) or Keynesian B (republican)...it has worked up until now...probably will work on into the future right?

here is an article about Paul's most recent effort to cut funding
http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts ... d_pakistan

http://am.blogs.cnn.com/2009/04/21/ron- ... -american/
here he is discussing secession and the banks...

Halifax2TheMax

Thanks for sharing the links on foreign aid and seccession and banking. However, it appears to me that since 1913 when the Fed was created, that there has been many legislative changes to and oversight of the system, with Congress and their respective committees playing key roles. Again, I will ask what would the purpose of an audit be? To what end? To eliminate the Fed? What, if anything, replaces it? Who would you trust to conduct the audit? Certainly not the federal government. Congress? Price, Waterhouse, Coopers? Accenture? And if central banking, as a concept, is so bad, why then the creation of central banking long before 1913, in Britain and Sweden? Is the Fed the cause of the dollar losing 96% of its value since 1913? Really? Just trust the free markets, they solve everytthing.

Ron's comments on seccession are laughable. To equate the original 13 colonies seceeding from Britain or the former Soviet republics breaking apart with Rick Perry's comments that its okay to talk about it because people are so angry with the federal government. Who are these angry people? Is that really the same thing to you? Taxation without representation and oppressive, communist/stalinist regimes on the one hand and what, Obamacare/stimulus on the other? One and the same? Wink, wink, nod, nod, legal discrimination disguised as state's rights. I know who this appeals to and why its said.

Ron's desire to curtail foreign aid to the Middle East, while admirable, won't happen. The defense industry and the jewish lobby will make sure of that. Just rhetoric that appeals to and fires up his base. Personally, I would put the world on notice that the US is cutting ALL foreign aid 10% a year for 10 years in order to get our finances in order but to put everyone else on notice that they need to get their own acts together. Nations that trade with one another and develop their economies together are much less likely to go to war and have us get involved.

Going backwards isn't the solution.

All in all, I'd be willing to bet that you and I have more in common than differences or that we'd at least agree on a number of different issues. But that's what both parties and most of those in Washington fear the most.

Jason P

Ron Paul announces retirement from Congress

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/ron-paul-announces-retirement-congress-162110444.html

I wonder if this will help let America know how serious he is?

mikepegg44

Halifax2TheMax wrote:

Thanks for sharing the links on foreign aid and seccession and banking. However, it appears to me that since 1913 when the Fed was created, that there has been many legislative changes to and oversight of the system, with Congress and their respective committees playing key roles. Again, I will ask what would the purpose of an audit be? To what end? To eliminate the Fed? What, if anything, replaces it? Who would you trust to conduct the audit? Certainly not the federal government. Congress? Price, Waterhouse, Coopers? Accenture? And if central banking, as a concept, is so bad, why then the creation of central banking long before 1913, in Britain and Sweden? Is the Fed the cause of the dollar losing 96% of its value since 1913? Really? Just trust the free markets, they solve everytthing.

Ron's comments on seccession are laughable. To equate the original 13 colonies seceeding from Britain or the former Soviet republics breaking apart with Rick Perry's comments that its okay to talk about it because people are so angry with the federal government. Who are these angry people? Is that really the same thing to you? Taxation without representation and oppressive, communist/stalinist regimes on the one hand and what, Obamacare/stimulus on the other? One and the same? Wink, wink, nod, nod, legal discrimination disguised as state's rights. I know who this appeals to and why its said.

Ron's desire to curtail foreign aid to the Middle East, while admirable, won't happen. The defense industry and the jewish lobby will make sure of that. Just rhetoric that appeals to and fires up his base. Personally, I would put the world on notice that the US is cutting ALL foreign aid 10% a year for 10 years in order to get our finances in order but to put everyone else on notice that they need to get their own acts together. Nations that trade with one another and develop their economies together are much less likely to go to war and have us get involved.

Going backwards isn't the solution.

All in all, I'd be willing to bet that you and I have more in common than differences or that we'd at least agree on a number of different issues. But that's what both parties and most of those in Washington fear the most.

I don't think he was necessarily comparing the situations of secession with today, but I think what he was saying...or the way I took it is that talking of secession isn't necessarily un-patriotic.

as far as an audit of the federal reserve goes....yes there is oversight but that does not include any decisions made on monetary policy which affects not only the people here in the United States but around the world.
I think the purpose of a federal reserve audit would be to make monetary policy clear and expose (not necessarily negative) the agreements that the federal reserve has made with other central banks and the reasons behind those decisions.

ultimately we can disagree on the need for the federal reserve...One good side affect of ending the fed system would be to not allow the government to endlessly wage war by simply running a deficit and borrowing ...and don't you find it interesting that every new dollar has debt attached to it. That the Fed can literally create money out of thin air? Yes, I believe the fed is the leading cause of the devaluation of the dollar with things like QE2. Remember, it is not a government agency and while there is partial government oversight it largely can play as fast and loose as it would like.

what good is being off the gold standard if in real dollars people get poorer every day without ever losing a dime...I looked at a study the other day that compared prices for raising a child to 17 1960 compared to today and it was mind blowing the numbers that were adjusted for. Basically they said that the increase in today's dollars adds up to a 22% increase...from 185000 to approximately 225000...what they don't tell you is that the dollars they adjusted for were actually 13500 back in 1960...That screams at me something has to change...50 years from now is 225000 going to be adjusted for inflation at that same rate...will everyone be a millionaire for fucks sake? Our money is worth less and less everyday and it is terrifying to think this trend can actually continue into the future...I don't know if that made sense, but I haven't slept more than about 2 hours in 2 days(actual insomnia is the worst ever) and am a bit cranky and am starting to see little green men

Jason P

unsung

This past Sunday a group of us were out canvassing for Ron Paul. The people were very receptive and many said they were either voting for him or leaning that way.

We can win this, just have to swim upstream a bit against MSM.