Talking, consuming beverages, using the restroom, texting (unfortunately), the occasional outburst of enthusiasm when your favorite song is played, clapping...all seem like pretty normal human behavior at a concert.
And if this behavior is considered offensive to some, then maybe they should reconsider the next time
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Unfortunately, you are correct. Talking during the concert IS a normal human behavior. Its still rude.
its one thing to say, "Oh man I love this song." or "Hey, you need a beer?"
But its something else to decide to tella story during a song you dont like. Just get up and talk in the hallway or by the concessions. Dont talk during the performance. Especially duing a song that is being whispered into a mic, and played with only 4 strings.
But, what about parents that have young kids at home and need to be reachable? That's a lot to ask of a crowd to not even bring a cell phone.
As someone at the age of 35 I can assure you that I, like most of my generation, survived my childhood although my parents didn't have a cellphone (since it didn't exist ).
Not having a cell did not stop them from going to concerts or movies.
No cameras and no cell phones would be a good thing at an Eddie concert.
It's all about enjoying the artist and the music, isn't it?
But, what about parents that have young kids at home and need to be reachable? That's a lot to ask of a crowd to not even bring a cell phone.
As someone at the age of 35 I can assure you that I, like most of my generation, survived my childhood although my parents didn't have a cellphone (since it didn't exist ).
Not having a cell did not stop them from going to concerts or movies.
No cameras and no cell phones would be a good thing at an Eddie concert.
It's all about enjoying the artist and the music, isn't it?
I had mine on Vibe. I took it out a couple of times to quickly see if there was an emergency. I kept it low, and didnt disturb anyone.
I went out in the lobby once to check to make sure I was getting a signal.
Its really easy to be considerate of other people.
I would be fine with "No Phones in the Concert Hall".
Just like some movie theaters are trending towards.
But, what about parents that have young kids at home and need to be reachable? That's a lot to ask of a crowd to not even bring a cell phone.
As someone at the age of 35 I can assure you that I, like most of my generation, survived my childhood although my parents didn't have a cellphone (since it didn't exist ).
Not having a cell did not stop them from going to concerts or movies.
No cameras and no cell phones would be a good thing at an Eddie concert.
It's all about enjoying the artist and the music, isn't it?
We all survived without cellphones. But you are forgetting... although people with kids did go out without cell phones, many did not. Being reachable is the only way some parents will go out.
Oh, and I believe prior to 1991, we all survived without Pearl Jam...
Anyone here want to go without now that we have them?
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I would be fine with "No Phones in the Concert Hall".
If everyone would be as civilized as you when bringing their cell phones to a concert, there wouldn't be a problem.
But since there are tons of people that are not, your suggestion "No Phones in the Concert Hall" sounds good.
Honest question for the anti-cellphone crowd: Have none of you ever taken part in one of the setlist relay threads? Because without cellphones at these shows those threads would not exist. I understand cellphones can be frustrating but also I would hate to see those threads go away.
But when you leave your seat...
You are not allowed back in the theater until intermission....
I would wholeheartedly support this. Its the standard policy at many theater shows.
Common courtesy is what should be expected. Some people are not courteous, it sucks, but its true.
If you can't handle it, don't go out.
What about pregnant women who need the restroom frequently, should they wait until intermission to be let back in if they need to leave during the first 15 minutes of a performance to use the restroom?
Are they not allowed to go out to enjoy a show?
You can't change the world, and you can't create rules that are fair to everyone.
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Honest question for the anti-cellphone crowd: Have none of you ever taken part in one of the setlist relay threads? Because without cellphones at these shows those threads would not exist. I understand cellphones can be frustrating but also I would hate to see those threads go away.
i dont need a setlist update up to the minute. Its fine, but if it meant I had to wait an hour to see what he played, I would survive.
But when you leave your seat...
You are not allowed back in the theater until intermission....
I would wholeheartedly support this. Its the standard policy at many theater shows.
Common courtesy is what should be expected. Some people are not courteous, it sucks, but its true.
If you can't handle it, don't go out.
What about pregnant women who need the restroom frequently, should they wait until intermission to be let back in if they need to leave during the first 15 minutes of a performance to use the restroom?
Are they not allowed to go out to enjoy a show?
You can't change the world, and you can't create rules that are fair to everyone.
im not as stringent on the bathroom/booze thing. There is a rule at hockey games, where you "wait for the whistle". Basically, you wait to go back to your seat until the next whistle.
I would be fine with waiting until the current song playing is over. Not intermission.
Honest question for the anti-cellphone crowd: Have none of you ever taken part in one of the setlist relay threads? Because without cellphones at these shows those threads would not exist. I understand cellphones can be frustrating but also I would hate to see those threads go away.
i dont need a setlist update up to the minute. Its fine, but if it meant I had to wait an hour to see what he played, I would survive.
But have you ever read through one as the show was happening? If yes, that thread only existed because someone was using their phone during the show.
I don't think there is any excuse to be talking on your phone during a performance. However, if someone is texting quietly I think others around them need to be a little tolerant themselves.
Honest question for the anti-cellphone crowd: Have none of you ever taken part in one of the setlist relay threads? Because without cellphones at these shows those threads would not exist. I understand cellphones can be frustrating but also I would hate to see those threads go away.
i dont need a setlist update up to the minute. Its fine, but if it meant I had to wait an hour to see what he played, I would survive.
But have you ever read through one as the show was happening? If yes, that thread only existed because someone was using their phone during the show.
I don't think there is any excuse to be talking on your phone during a performance. However, if someone is texting quietly I think others around them need to be a little tolerant themselves.
Im generally fine with texting. Most PJ fans who care enough to send a setlist via text are courteous enough to keep the phone low, send the text, and then put their phones away. Usually AFTER the song is over, etc.
its the people who have bright ass phones that are more annoying. That being said, as long as the cell is not in my direct line of view (i.e. recording) then I am fine. I have more of a problem with people next to me being louder than the concert. Its not so bad during an Even Flow solo. But during a song on the Ukelele, or Mandolin, when there is a lot of quiet time, its rude. The talker may not care for the song because its slow and quiet, but the other listener, it may be their favorite song.
Venues should hold people back until the end of a song before returning to their seats. The constant back and forth in Detroit was disrespectful to both Glen and Ed. While you'll never stop the flow of booze at a show is it to much to ask for people to drink responsibly? The drunks in Detroit were acting like they were at their buddy house while they mom and dad were out of town. I guess some alpha males will never grow up !!!
Im generally fine with texting. Most PJ fans who care enough to send a setlist via text are courteous enough to keep the phone low, send the text, and then put their phones away. Usually AFTER the song is over, etc.
its the people who have bright ass phones that are more annoying. That being said, as long as the cell is not in my direct line of view (i.e. recording) then I am fine. I have more of a problem with people next to me being louder than the concert. Its not so bad during an Even Flow solo. But during a song on the Ukelele, or Mandolin, when there is a lot of quiet time, its rude. The talker may not care for the song because its slow and quiet, but the other listener, it may be their favorite song.
just asking people to be courteous.
I hear you. I have been fortunate enough to not have any chatterers in my row at these theatre shows. If more people went into these shows and displayed a little more courtesy we would not be having this discussion. It seems simple...yet it doesn't happen.
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As I've said before, it's all about context. I spend a lot more time at Lincoln Center than I do at PJ shows, and I can tell you that, were you to whip out your phone or decide to have a conversation with your neighbor in Avery Fisher Hall, no matter how quiet your voice, a mob of old ladies would beat you senseless with their handbags. If you left your seat during the performance, you would not be allowed back in the theater until intermission -- period. This is true at the theater and at musical performances.
At one New York Philharmonic show, one person politely but firmly told another to remove a plastic bag from the hall during intermission, because the crinkling was too disruptive. Some fool who decided to clip coupons during an open rehearsal nearly caused a fight. I went to a Broadway show where roadwork outside the theater caused a near-riot at intermission, patrons were so upset about the noise.
Obviously, an Ed show is not as formal as the New York Philharmonic. But: I've seen Lloyd Cole perform several times in theaters where it was just Lloyd and his guitar. People cheered and applauded between songs, but during the songs they were quiet and respectful. It's really not that hard to do, even after a few beers. Seriously, if you have had so many beers that you cannot control your behavior, or if you have something so important happening in your life that you cannot put down the phone for any length of time, perhaps a theater is not the place for you.
My memory fails me, but I could swear that when we saw Ed in 2008 he did not have as many amps -- or any at all. The Newark crowd took Ed's cue and sat down and listened, and screamers quickly were silenced by other people around them. At Hartford this year, my son wished he had worn earplugs because it was so much louder than we expected. The amps allowed us to hear Ed over the raucous crowd, which was good, but it would have been nicer had people been able to control themselves during the songs.
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Why do you need booze at shows? Just drink before hand. I like to drink (and get drunk) as much as the next guy but drinking at EV solo shows does nothing for me. Do you need to be drunk to enjoy the shows? I guess I don't get it... :-?
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Venues should hold people back until the end of a song before returning to their seats. The constant back and forth in Detroit was disrespectful to both Glen and Ed. While you'll never stop the flow of booze at a show is it to much to ask for people to drink responsibly? The drunks in Detroit were acting like they were at their buddy house while they mom and dad were out of town. I guess some alpha males will never grow up !!!
Can't stand when venues do that. People have to do their business... I will never see Neil Young solo anymore because he has enforced that rule.
Cornell managed to enforce the rule about the first two.
Not exactly. He enforced the rule for 3/4 of the show. At some point, he just told the audience that it is now cool to do whatever they wanted. Everyone loosened up and it was a blast. Kind of like the crowd during "Hard Sun" at a EV show. I
Instead, everyone at an EV show is so tight because you are not allowed to do or say anything. I have said it before and I will say it again... RELAX! You cannot legislate or regulate the number of assholes that come to a EV show. It is bound to happen. There are a small concentration of fans who read this site, but the vast majority are looking for a "show". There are a fraction of d-bags in that majority who are going to do what they do...
Whenever you put a few thousand people in one venue, there are bound to be quite a few assholes out there...
It depends on the venue, and the show. As someone mentioned above the NY philharmonic seems to have it under control, as does the Met.
Basically its a bunch of people who can't seem to hold their liquor that are the problem IMO. Having a drink, and being a drunk annoying person are two different things.
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I can't imagine anyone is going to try and enforce a no cell phone rule at a concert. Turning it on vibrate or off? Absolutely. But, what about parents that have young kids at home and need to be reachable? That's a lot to ask of a crowd to not even bring a cell phone.
The other 2 you could definitely do.
Jesus. Do you remember when you were a kid? Did your parents have a cell phone? Hell no. You seemed to survive just fine. If you need to get a hold of your kids, drop a quarter in a pay phone or just call them when you get to the car if you can't find a pay phone. I swear, I get so sick of when people can't live without their damn cell phone.
I can't imagine anyone is going to try and enforce a no cell phone rule at a concert. Turning it on vibrate or off? Absolutely. But, what about parents that have young kids at home and need to be reachable? That's a lot to ask of a crowd to not even bring a cell phone.
The other 2 you could definitely do.
Jesus. Do you remember when you were a kid? Did your parents have a cell phone? Hell no. You seemed to survive just fine. If you need to get a hold of your kids, drop a quarter in a pay phone or just call them when you get to the car if you can't find a pay phone. I swear, I get so sick of when people can't live without their damn cell phone.
I can't imagine why I'd want to get a hold of my kids while I'm watching an Eddie Vedder show.
However, If they need to reach me while I'm out because of an emergency that is a whole different scenario.
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After all the drunk a'holes in Detroit I would have no problems with banning booze...heck just cut sales off when the headliner comes on stage...I had the drunk fool in front of me suddenly standing on his seat waving his beer around nearly dumping it on my wife, I told the fucker to watch his beer, then he proceeds to scream 4" from my face, and he wasn't the only 1 being an idiot.
To me this is no reflection on Detroit, I've been to tons of concerts in Detroit and this was the worst I've seen it...for the record the idiot in front was from Hamilton...
And I just love the dumbass's yelling out play this, play that...for fuck sake...he has a setlist...
Some people really can't handle their booze.
Fox Theatre great venue...very poor security and even worse at serving people who were way to inebriated.
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Venues should hold people back until the end of a song before returning to their seats. The constant back and forth in Detroit was disrespectful to both Glen and Ed. While you'll never stop the flow of booze at a show is it to much to ask for people to drink responsibly? The drunks in Detroit were acting like they were at their buddy house while they mom and dad were out of town. I guess some alpha males will never grow up !!!
I was there...and totally agree with you...is it to much to ask the ushers or security to check the tickets to make sure people were going to their right area...a lot of bullshit was happening in Detroit.
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well the rule is no cameras and no cell phones, its just difficult to enforce,
they can't not serve booze, but what they could do is not allow people back to their seats with alcohol, if they really wanted to
Maybe they can't serve booze...but shouldn't they serve booze responsible? in Detroit their was this 1 chick who came back with 2 beers staggering all over the place not being able to find her seat and disrupting everyone she came in contact with.
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Unfortunately, you are correct. Talking during the concert IS a normal human behavior. Its still rude.
its one thing to say, "Oh man I love this song." or "Hey, you need a beer?"
But its something else to decide to tella story during a song you dont like. Just get up and talk in the hallway or by the concessions. Dont talk during the performance. Especially duing a song that is being whispered into a mic, and played with only 4 strings.
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Not having a cell did not stop them from going to concerts or movies.
No cameras and no cell phones would be a good thing at an Eddie concert.
It's all about enjoying the artist and the music, isn't it?
I had mine on Vibe. I took it out a couple of times to quickly see if there was an emergency. I kept it low, and didnt disturb anyone.
I went out in the lobby once to check to make sure I was getting a signal.
Its really easy to be considerate of other people.
I would be fine with "No Phones in the Concert Hall".
Just like some movie theaters are trending towards.
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We all survived without cellphones. But you are forgetting... although people with kids did go out without cell phones, many did not. Being reachable is the only way some parents will go out.
Oh, and I believe prior to 1991, we all survived without Pearl Jam...
Anyone here want to go without now that we have them?
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But since there are tons of people that are not, your suggestion "No Phones in the Concert Hall" sounds good.
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I would wholeheartedly support this. Its the standard policy at many theater shows.
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Common courtesy is what should be expected. Some people are not courteous, it sucks, but its true.
If you can't handle it, don't go out.
What about pregnant women who need the restroom frequently, should they wait until intermission to be let back in if they need to leave during the first 15 minutes of a performance to use the restroom?
Are they not allowed to go out to enjoy a show?
You can't change the world, and you can't create rules that are fair to everyone.
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i dont need a setlist update up to the minute. Its fine, but if it meant I had to wait an hour to see what he played, I would survive.
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im not as stringent on the bathroom/booze thing. There is a rule at hockey games, where you "wait for the whistle". Basically, you wait to go back to your seat until the next whistle.
I would be fine with waiting until the current song playing is over. Not intermission.
Pregnant people get a pass in my book anyway.
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But have you ever read through one as the show was happening? If yes, that thread only existed because someone was using their phone during the show.
I don't think there is any excuse to be talking on your phone during a performance. However, if someone is texting quietly I think others around them need to be a little tolerant themselves.
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Im generally fine with texting. Most PJ fans who care enough to send a setlist via text are courteous enough to keep the phone low, send the text, and then put their phones away. Usually AFTER the song is over, etc.
its the people who have bright ass phones that are more annoying. That being said, as long as the cell is not in my direct line of view (i.e. recording) then I am fine. I have more of a problem with people next to me being louder than the concert. Its not so bad during an Even Flow solo. But during a song on the Ukelele, or Mandolin, when there is a lot of quiet time, its rude. The talker may not care for the song because its slow and quiet, but the other listener, it may be their favorite song.
just asking people to be courteous.
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I hear you. I have been fortunate enough to not have any chatterers in my row at these theatre shows. If more people went into these shows and displayed a little more courtesy we would not be having this discussion. It seems simple...yet it doesn't happen.
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At one New York Philharmonic show, one person politely but firmly told another to remove a plastic bag from the hall during intermission, because the crinkling was too disruptive. Some fool who decided to clip coupons during an open rehearsal nearly caused a fight. I went to a Broadway show where roadwork outside the theater caused a near-riot at intermission, patrons were so upset about the noise.
Obviously, an Ed show is not as formal as the New York Philharmonic. But: I've seen Lloyd Cole perform several times in theaters where it was just Lloyd and his guitar. People cheered and applauded between songs, but during the songs they were quiet and respectful. It's really not that hard to do, even after a few beers. Seriously, if you have had so many beers that you cannot control your behavior, or if you have something so important happening in your life that you cannot put down the phone for any length of time, perhaps a theater is not the place for you.
My memory fails me, but I could swear that when we saw Ed in 2008 he did not have as many amps -- or any at all. The Newark crowd took Ed's cue and sat down and listened, and screamers quickly were silenced by other people around them. At Hartford this year, my son wished he had worn earplugs because it was so much louder than we expected. The amps allowed us to hear Ed over the raucous crowd, which was good, but it would have been nicer had people been able to control themselves during the songs.
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Can't stand when venues do that. People have to do their business... I will never see Neil Young solo anymore because he has enforced that rule.
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Not exactly. He enforced the rule for 3/4 of the show. At some point, he just told the audience that it is now cool to do whatever they wanted. Everyone loosened up and it was a blast. Kind of like the crowd during "Hard Sun" at a EV show. I
Instead, everyone at an EV show is so tight because you are not allowed to do or say anything. I have said it before and I will say it again... RELAX! You cannot legislate or regulate the number of assholes that come to a EV show. It is bound to happen. There are a small concentration of fans who read this site, but the vast majority are looking for a "show". There are a fraction of d-bags in that majority who are going to do what they do...
So it goes.
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It depends on the venue, and the show. As someone mentioned above the NY philharmonic seems to have it under control, as does the Met.
Basically its a bunch of people who can't seem to hold their liquor that are the problem IMO. Having a drink, and being a drunk annoying person are two different things.
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Jesus. Do you remember when you were a kid? Did your parents have a cell phone? Hell no. You seemed to survive just fine. If you need to get a hold of your kids, drop a quarter in a pay phone or just call them when you get to the car if you can't find a pay phone. I swear, I get so sick of when people can't live without their damn cell phone.
I can't imagine why I'd want to get a hold of my kids while I'm watching an Eddie Vedder show.
However, If they need to reach me while I'm out because of an emergency that is a whole different scenario.
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To me this is no reflection on Detroit, I've been to tons of concerts in Detroit and this was the worst I've seen it...for the record the idiot in front was from Hamilton...
And I just love the dumbass's yelling out play this, play that...for fuck sake...he has a setlist...
Some people really can't handle their booze.
Fox Theatre great venue...very poor security and even worse at serving people who were way to inebriated.
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they can't not serve booze, but what they could do is not allow people back to their seats with alcohol, if they really wanted to
I was there...and totally agree with you...is it to much to ask the ushers or security to check the tickets to make sure people were going to their right area...a lot of bullshit was happening in Detroit.
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Maybe they can't serve booze...but shouldn't they serve booze responsible? in Detroit their was this 1 chick who came back with 2 beers staggering all over the place not being able to find her seat and disrupting everyone she came in contact with.
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HOWEVER, If you go to a show, you are allowed to get wasted. It's a rite of passage.
That doesn't mean we have to enjoy standing next to you, or have to share in your sense of how awesome or sucky you believe everything to be.