I completely agree. I love Ghost . Totally underrated song.
Every comparison I drew was to previous pj stuf, not comparred to like stp, or queens of the stone age or something.
You have to admit its not on the level or key like light years, or lowlight, or even given to fly, or even courdory. I mean its not a real big (goose pimple)album
Every comp[arison I drew was to previous pj stuf, not comparred to like stp, or queens of the stone age or something.
You have to admit its not on the level or key like light years, or lowlight, or even given to fly, or even courdory. I mean its not a real big (goose pimple)album
Thats what I mean.
I don't know, I get goosebumps listening Save You, Ghost, All or None, LBC, etc.
Sure, Ed's not screaming, I agree. But I don't think screaming = emotions.
Aright, I gotta go. We will continue this discussion later I'm sure
you couldn't swing if you were hangin' from a palm tree in a hurricane.
Again, I don't see it that way as a lack of, even compared to other PJ albums. Just different.
Take 1/2 full out, there really aerent any climatic or progressive breakdowns at all.
Like the end of dissedent, middle of cordoroy, the whole wstructure of a song like hard to imagine, or present tense.It never erally reaches the feeling from a song like hold on. I enjoy it. I am not ripping it. But that is something thats differant.
I enjoy the structuring of bushleager, the fills in on ghost, the flow on I am mine, even lbc where they could have did this they opted for the sweet piano of boom which sends the measage the days can be bright before they get dark again.
Which isnt always the case with the music.
I don't know, I get goosebumps listening Save You, Ghost, All or None, LBC, etc.
Sure, Ed's not screaming, I agree. But I don't think screaming = emotions.
Aright, I gotta go. We will continue this discussion later I'm sure
I didnt mention screaming from Ed, I think its more guitar chords.
If you get goose bumps from those songs it truly is your favorite, but you have to understand where Im coming from.
I get goose bumps from not for you. My favorite.
The only good songs were I Am Mine, Save You, Green Disease, and Bushleaguer. Ed sounded like he was going through the motions. He sounded off key on a few songs that could have been great. He mumbled through Thumbing My Way and sounded off on Love Boat Captain. He sounded like he wanted to get in and out on a lot of the songs.
For much of the album I thought maybe his voice was done and that's why he didn't go balls out like he did on Yield. (I thought he was muddled on Binaural, too, but came to the conclusion that maybe that's what they were going for because most of the songs were very good, just understated.) Bushleaguer had awsome music, yet Ed did it spoken word. Then he does Arc, thumbing his nose, saying, STILL GOT THE GREAT PIPES, JUST DON'T ALWAYS USE EM!!!
I think a lot of time PJ flies or falls on whether or not Ed comes with it. I don't think he brought his A game with Riot Act. His work on Into the Wild is vintage genius Ed. That's the stuff I like. The songs that affect you long term. On the recent Integral interview, Stone mentioned the small songs that you shake your head at upon first listen and then after a while you realize how awsome they are. No Code and Binaural crept up on me way later. Riot Act hasn't yet.
Thank you Randy Jackson.
1/2 Full in my opinion of course, is the best song on both Riot Act and Binural. Maybe I feel this way because of the steller performance I saw of it in Grand Rapids 04. Thank you.
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I don't dislike any PJ album. They are all perfect IMO.
I agree with you completely, Every album is great and anyone that says any one album sucks is not a true dedicated fan. Sure not every song on every album works for everyone, but there are enough killer songs on each and every album to consider them especially great. Let the guy continue to listen to candlewax or three dog night or whatever he said. Riot Act has some great jams on it, like all their material. Everyone is entitled to there own opinion, but damn, sucks is pretty harsh for a so called fan to say.
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. He mumbled through Thumbing My Way and sounded off on Love Boat Captain.
Whatever. These are the two best songs on the album. Let me ask you this, when we had hearing tests in elementary school, are you 100 percent positive you heard all the beeps?
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Funny this thread came about now, the past few days I've been listening to Riot Act non-stop for the first time in probably 2 years or more. It's a different kind of vibe for sure but, I love it.
Anyone that says any one album sucks is not a true dedicated fan.
I completely 100% disagree with this statement. While I do like all their albums a lot, to question someone's love for PJ because they don't like a particular album is dumb.
Funny this thread came about now, the past few days I've been listening to Riot Act non-stop for the first time in probably 2 years or more. It's a different kind of vibe for sure but, I love it.
I completely 100% disagree with this statement. While I do like all their albums a lot, to question someone's love for PJ because they don't like a particular album is dumb.
Just my opinion, if someone is a true and dedicated fan I don't think they would shit on anything the band poured their heart and time into. Like I said just my opinion, he can have his and I can have mine.
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Can't Keep
Save You
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Just my opinion, if someone is a true and dedicated fan I don't think they would shit on anything the band poured their heart and time into. Like I said just my opinion, he can have his and I can have mine.
Just because you truly don't like something doesn't mean you're shitting on it.
i'll just pile it on a little, but first i'll say that i like Green Disease, Cant Keep and Half Full.
the rest sucks, but its not all Ed's fault. The guitar parts on this album are some the weakest, most generic, moderate rock, adult contemporary shit Mike ever played.
I'll say this, Riot Act is certainly more unique than Avocado was.
You Are is an amazing tune.
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alright kids let me break it down for you, firstly if you say that someone isnt a true fan if they dont like a portion of an artists catalogue and you are over 21 just go kill yourself (or at least have your gonads removed before you start to breed). secondly Riot Act does indeed suck and the reson it sucks is not the songs nor the production But is in fact the keys and vocal stylings of eddie he is either singing in a key that is way the fuck out of his range (lve boat captain) or he is not even singing at all (thumbing my way) >>I suspect, and this is only a theory that it was indeed intentional. it was a very raw sounding record and i suspect he figured singing in that manner was his "raw style" . this, i believe is evidenced by that last song.. Go and listen to what he does on the last verse of the last song >>>>HE STARTS TO SING!!!!! ,which I read as a little ,wink wink nudge nudge to everybody(its just too bad he didnt do that on the entire album!!!) ok ,kids , now youve learned your lesson for the day, now go and run along to the sand box but be sure to be back before the street lights come on!!
I've got your back JJ. I think it's completely fair and within any fan's rights to be critical of PJ's work. To say you don't like an album or maybe put it last on your list is an honest, objective opinion. Further, to say that an album sucks or you hate it is also a rightful opinion. But when you voice your opinion in such a harsh way and in such a negative manner it does call into question your true, bottomline level of fanhood. Wouldn't you defend Riot Act when being totally slammed by a fair-weather PJ fan or anyone else for that matter? I think what JJstarr was trying to say was that there's beauty in every PJ record and the most dedicated and hard-core PJ fans will have no trouble finding it. The fair-weather fans or more critical ones will be much quicker to point out a PJ record that has "bad songs" or to dump on it completely and say "it sucks".
mmmmm, it does go well with the chicken.....delicious again peter
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I've got your back JJ. I think it's completely fair and within any fan's rights to be critical of PJ's work. To say you don't like an album or maybe put it last on your list is an honest, objective opinion. Further, to say that an album sucks or you hate it is also a rightful opinion. But when you voice your opinion in such a harsh way and in such a negative manner it does call into question your true, bottomline level of fanhood. Wouldn't you defend Riot Act when being totally slammed by a fair-weather PJ fan or anyone else for that matter? I think what JJstarr was trying to say was that there's beauty in every PJ record and the most dedicated and hard-core PJ fans will have no trouble finding it. The fair-weather fans or more critical ones will be much quicker to point out a PJ record that has "bad songs" or to dump on it completely and say "it sucks".
Here's my deal. I got into this band for one reason and one reason only: Ed's lyrics.
If not for them, I probably wouldn't have cared about this band so much. I mean, the music is good ... sometimes spectacular ... but it's ed's way with poetry that really sets them apart.
As far as I can tell, Ed has written lyrics on every single album so far ... therefore, every single Pearl Jam album has some value to me. All these "I wanna rock" meatheads can blow off Binaural, RA and Self-Titled ... they are some of my favorites, because Ed's lyrics went to another level on those albums, IMO
everybody wants the most they can possibly get
for the least they could possibly do
you trying to sound intelligent = you not sounding intelligent (5$)
you trying to be funny = not funny (10$)
now get off of your daddys computer b4 he gets home and you get in trouble for hanging out in a "big Kids" place. (priceless)
the very fact that you accuse me of sounding intelligent leads me to believe that my words struck you as intelligent (N'EST PAS!!) the same with being funny ,, so , when all is said and done, thanks for the compliment,(your inferiority is my nector and ambrosia)
Sounds like somebody got themselves a broke copy of Riot Act because when I play mine only awesome music comes out of my speakers.
All Or None is one of the best songs they have ever done. You can not dispute that.
you trying to sound intelligent = you not sounding intelligent (5$)
you trying to be funny = not funny (10$)
now get off of your daddys computer b4 he gets home and you get in trouble for hanging out in a "big Kids" place. (priceless)
the very fact that you accuse me of sounding intelligent leads me to believe that my words struck you as intelligent (N'EST PAS!!) the same with being funny ,, so , when all is said and done, thanks for the compliment,(your inferiority is my nector and ambrosia)
well, take it how you will. but i mean what i said. it sounds like you are trying really hard. trying being the key word.
whatever bro, its all good. im sure your the life of the party for your friends.
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You have to admit its not on the level or key like light years, or lowlight, or even given to fly, or even courdory. I mean its not a real big (goose pimple)album
Thats what I mean.
no more shows
I don't know, I get goosebumps listening Save You, Ghost, All or None, LBC, etc.
Sure, Ed's not screaming, I agree. But I don't think screaming = emotions.
Aright, I gotta go. We will continue this discussion later I'm sure
Take 1/2 full out, there really aerent any climatic or progressive breakdowns at all.
Like the end of dissedent, middle of cordoroy, the whole wstructure of a song like hard to imagine, or present tense.It never erally reaches the feeling from a song like hold on. I enjoy it. I am not ripping it. But that is something thats differant.
I enjoy the structuring of bushleager, the fills in on ghost, the flow on I am mine, even lbc where they could have did this they opted for the sweet piano of boom which sends the measage the days can be bright before they get dark again.
Which isnt always the case with the music.
no more shows
I didnt mention screaming from Ed, I think its more guitar chords.
If you get goose bumps from those songs it truly is your favorite, but you have to understand where Im coming from.
I get goose bumps from not for you. My favorite.
no more shows
1/2 Full in my opinion of course, is the best song on both Riot Act and Binural. Maybe I feel this way because of the steller performance I saw of it in Grand Rapids 04. Thank you.
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Whatever. These are the two best songs on the album. Let me ask you this, when we had hearing tests in elementary school, are you 100 percent positive you heard all the beeps?
for the least they could possibly do
I completely 100% disagree with this statement. While I do like all their albums a lot, to question someone's love for PJ because they don't like a particular album is dumb.
wrong
Just my opinion, if someone is a true and dedicated fan I don't think they would shit on anything the band poured their heart and time into. Like I said just my opinion, he can have his and I can have mine.
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Riverside Theater E.V solo 8-19-08
Can't Keep
Save You
Love Boat Captain
I Am Mine
Thumbing My Way
You Are
1/2 Full
Arc
All Or None
Pearl Jam loses part of it's "soul" without some of these.
Hartford 10 Boston 10 Wrigley 13 Worcester I 13 Worcester II 13 Hartford 13
NYC I 16 NYC II 16 Fenway I 16 Fenway II 16 Fenway 1 18 Fenway II 18
E.V. Boston II 08 E.V. Albany II 09 E.V. Providence 11, E.V. Boston 11
Troubled Souls Unite
Yup, that would pretty much be my list, although I'd add Green Disease, in there, too.
Another point: Ed handled the lyrics on all those songs but one. I don't think that's a coincidence.
for the least they could possibly do
Just because you truly don't like something doesn't mean you're shitting on it.
the rest sucks, but its not all Ed's fault. The guitar parts on this album are some the weakest, most generic, moderate rock, adult contemporary shit Mike ever played.
he needs to lose the dye job.
You Are is an amazing tune.
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do me a favor and....... shut up.
you trying to sound intelligent = you not sounding intelligent
you trying to be funny = not funny
now get off of your daddys computer b4 he gets home and you get in trouble for hanging out in a "big Kids" place.
"To question your government is not unpatriotic --
to not question your government is unpatriotic."
-- Sen. Chuck Hagel
Here's my deal. I got into this band for one reason and one reason only: Ed's lyrics.
If not for them, I probably wouldn't have cared about this band so much. I mean, the music is good ... sometimes spectacular ... but it's ed's way with poetry that really sets them apart.
As far as I can tell, Ed has written lyrics on every single album so far ... therefore, every single Pearl Jam album has some value to me. All these "I wanna rock" meatheads can blow off Binaural, RA and Self-Titled ... they are some of my favorites, because Ed's lyrics went to another level on those albums, IMO
for the least they could possibly do
you trying to be funny = not funny (10$)
now get off of your daddys computer b4 he gets home and you get in trouble for hanging out in a "big Kids" place. (priceless)
the very fact that you accuse me of sounding intelligent leads me to believe that my words struck you as intelligent (N'EST PAS!!) the same with being funny ,, so , when all is said and done, thanks for the compliment,(your inferiority is my nector and ambrosia)
All Or None is one of the best songs they have ever done. You can not dispute that.
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well, take it how you will. but i mean what i said. it sounds like you are trying really hard. trying being the key word.
whatever bro, its all good. im sure your the life of the party for your friends.
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to not question your government is unpatriotic."
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