Whistleblower removed, Obama should be tried
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The Obama Administration let these guns fall into the hands of the cartels with the sole purpose of being able to institute another gun ban. Guns that were allowed to leave the country lead to the murders of two Border Patrol agents. Barack Obama has American blood on his hands.
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is this going to be the beginning of another special prosecuter thing like in 1994?
i will bet that with the gop controlled house they are going to pursue this and derail the entire agenda of the congress..
either way, it is a distraction from the other pressing issues, like, i dunno, the defaulting on our debt...
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
well ... how many have died due to natural disasters this year!? ... something tied to global warming ... it's not even on the radar ...
and yes, if there is no resolution to the debt ceiling we default on our debt and then there are likely serious complications for the economy. i am sure that expires before the statute of limitations does in this case...
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
The head of the embattled federal agency that combats gun trafficking has agreed to talk with Senate investigators, a potentially important breakthrough as Congress tries to determine whether higher-ups in the Obama administration knew about a controversial sting that let assault weapons flow across the border into Mexico’s drug wars.
The testimony — expected next month from Kenneth Melson, the acting director of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives — was brokered as part of a deal between Senate Judiciary Committee chairman Patrick Leahy (D-Vt.) and the committee’s top Republican, Iowa’s Charles Grassley. Grassley and his fellow Republicans were given full access to ATF documents, Melson, and other key witnesses; and in return, Grassley agreed to release three Obama administration nominees he had been blocking, according to correspondence obtained by Newsweek and The Daily Beast.
Reading this, it sounds like Senator Leahy acquired the access and information that Senator Grassley wanted to obtain, and then “negotiated” with Grassley a quid pro quo whereby Grassley traded his hold for Melson’s testimony, that of other key witnesses, and ATF documentation about Gunwalker.
Acting Director Melson had come under pressure to resign since the Committee on House Oversight and Government Reform, led by Rep. Darrell Issa, revealed three emails on June 15 showing Melson was intimately involved with the program. There was every expectation that Melson would be forced to resign by the Obama administration — it came as a surprise to many when the acting director stated that he refused to be a “fall guy.”
Melson will instead apparently testify in July about what he knows of the program of which he was “intimately familiar,” according to Issa. If Melson does testify as Solomon reports, several possible scenarios could play out:
1. Melson takes the fall.
While the Los Angeles Times reported that Melson didn’t want to take the fall for his superiors in the Obama administration, there still will be considerable pressure upon him to take the blame for the operation. There is a chance that he will use his time in front of Congress to either stonewall the investigation or to accept responsibility for having initiated and run Gunwalker.
If Melson was going to fall on his proverbial sword and take the blame for the operation, however, he had ample time to do so over the past two weeks. This is the least likely scenario.
2. Melson implicates Assistant Attorney General Lanny Breuer. Breuer takes the fall.
While the details of Operation Fast and Furious are still murky, it was to be run with the knowledge of the Department of Justice’s Criminal Division, run by Lanny Breuer. Breuer personally authorized a wiretap that was part of Gunwalker, and may have been responsible for blocking an ATF request to inform the Mexican government about the estimated 2,000 guns the operation let into their country. Breuer is no stranger to scandalous behavior, having represented President Bill Clinton during his impeachment and Sandy Berger after Berger stole classified documents from the National Archives.
Based upon what is known now about Gunwalker and Breuer’s loyalty to the Democratic Party, this appears to be the most likely scenario.
3. Breuer isn’t the highest link in the chain: Melson implicates Attorney General Eric Holder.
Chairman Issa states that AG Holder “absolutely” knew about Gunwalker earlier than he testified that he did, and if Issa has the evidence to prove that the attorney general is part of a cover-up, then there is every reason to suspect Holder will be forced to resign, or will face impeachment.
This is a far more likely scenario than many think.
4. Collateral damage.
There is the distinct possibility that Lanny Breuer and Eric Holder are not the only administration officials that run the risk of going down as a result of their roles in Gunwalker and its cover-up. While ATF and their parent organization the Department of Justice were ultimately responsible for the operation, other executive branch departments were involved.
The Department of Homeland Security played a role in Gunwalker, and DHS Secretary Janet Napolitano would possibly be kept abreast of Gunwalker since she was both the former governor of Arizona and the state’s attorney general from 1999-2002. Lesser-ranking figures within DHS and other agencies were certainly involved, but Napolitano is the cabinet-level official other than Eric Holder who would have most likely known about Gunwalker.
5. And they all fall down.
The least likely scenario is the most dramatic and explosive. There is the possibility that testimony from any of the above actors in this deadly drama could point directly to the Obama administration itself.
It is highly unlikely that the president would have known about the details of the operation unless it originated as one of his ideas. While this sort of devious plot is consistent with his policy goals — and his history of unethical gun control scheming is duly documented — layers of plausible deniability shield presidents from impeachment even if they are involved. It would take the figurative smoking gun — or perhaps a literal one, with Obama’s fingerprints on it — to acquire enough evidence to impeach the president.
In the unlikely scenario that the White House is implicated at all, a White House staffer would likely admit to being brief about the generalities of the operation but not the specifics, similar to the way Congressman Issa was briefed that there was an ATF operation, but not that the ATF was effectively “walking” guns to the cartels.
We’ll know in several weeks if one of these scenarios comes to pass, or if something unexpected occurs to change the equation entirely.
One thing will not change: Hundreds have died as a result of a dangerous and illegal operation that occurred on President Obama’s watch, and someone is going to have to pay the price.
http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/gunwalker- ... epage=true
— Socrates
How many thousands have died in Mexico because our government supplied the cartels with guns? This has nothing to do with Bush, argue this case on its' own merit. Or can't you?
I HIGHLY doubt Obama did not know about a MAJOR operation that the ATF was running. At the very least as the last post says Holder and Napolitano HAD to have known.
The idea that Mason did THIS without Holder's authorization is not plausible. Anyone who thinks that doesn't understand how "taking orders" works.
Holder can't brush his teeth without Obama's permission.
Obama knew. It was a jack-assed idea to begin with- like most of this failed President's ideas- BUT...
it won't reach that high. heads will roll in Justice Dept. That is all.
AMERICAN BLOOD ON HIS HANDS.
You're only defense for OBAMA on EVERYTHING is: Bush was worse.
You were wrong the other day. You are wrong now.
You ain't NEVER been right.
COMPLETELY OWNED. Don't make me post what you said....
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
but it is truly amazing what cons get upset about after licking Bush's balls for 8 years.
Of which Ron Paul has said he would end.
Evidence? Firing a whistle blower is not evidence of that. It's not even close.
"With our thoughts we make the world"
But something happened along the way of this conspiracy and two federal agents were killed. Now people want answers. I hope heads roll.
i guess whether people support that policy or not depends on who the president is and whether or not that person supports him/her...
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
I didn't ask for evidence that they were trying to crack down on border gun dealers. I request evidence to support your statement, or should I say the statement made by some talking head at FOX that you repeated, that this whole enterprise and ensuing f up was a set-up for the "sole purpose of instituting another gun ban."
"With our thoughts we make the world"
smell the fear...
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
but what do you think abouy the money paid back from GM and others after the bail out ? do you think that money was used to pay back on the debt ? I was just thinking about that last night and wondered if they (government) used that money someplace else or did they aply it towards the national debt ?
any thoughts or news of that.
Godfather.
and to answer your question, bush got us into these wars, especially iraq which had nothing to do with 9/11 or bin laden. the cost of that iraq war in us lives and treasure is immeasurable.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
I say lets try them all, so everyone is scared to run... No more presidents=Good!
I'm not trying to say he did the right thing, I'm just trying not to laugh at the idea that two people dying under a decision a president made becomes a significant event.
I guess Bush got more than his fair share of bitching out, so lets have Obama have it too. Throw them all in jail.