Eddie's Voice and the direction of pj

Smellyman2

Rhinocerous Surprise wrote:

I think people are concerned that he's gonna lose that. And they're right to be concerned - do you really think smoking is gonna help him preserve his voice?

Ed's voice has been brought up every year since the internet and boards have been in service. Every year it's the same thing. Ed's losing it and yet here we are 12 years since the worry began and he just keeps getting stronger.

Rhinocerous Surprise

Smellyman wrote:

Ed's voice has been brought up every year since the internet and boards have been in service. Every year it's the same thing. Ed's losing it and yet here we are 12 years since the worry began and he just keeps getting stronger.

But he isn't getting stronger. Like I said earlier, compare Release from Tokyo 03 to any Release from 06 - his voice can't handle it the way it could. I do think Ed's techinically a better singer than he was 15 years ago, with better control and technique. But I also think his smoking is ruining his raw material - his voice.

Smellyman2

Rhinocerous Surprise wrote:

But he isn't getting stronger. Like I said earlier, compare Release from Tokyo 03 to any Release from 06 - his voice can't handle it the way it could. I do think Ed's techinically a better singer than he was 15 years ago, with better control and technique. But I also think his smoking is ruining his raw material - his voice.

I think he sang Release better in 05 06 07 than any other year. Like I said earlier, the 98 boot i listened to recently had the most painful Release ever.

Plus I am 35 and let me tell you, NOTHING on my body is getting stronger.(insert jokes) Ed is 43 and doesn't sing like Bon Jovi or Barry Manilow. He has an incredible voice that is still going strong

halszka123

In my opinion every singer changes. Maybe He changes more because I pay more attention... I don't know.
I don't know what is the direction, but anyway, I don't believe it's only His cigs and I don't think He can get back His voice if He will stop smoking (even I would like to...) - and it's really possible that His voice will still get worse, but I don't care.
Maybe sometimes I wish He could sing with the same power like in 90's, but it depends on the intonation and way of singing rather than exactly on voice.

Yeahhh, I really wish, They could play like in the beginning, but it doesn't mean that i stopped to listened Them...
The music is too close to me anyway

Rhinocerous Surprise

Smellyman wrote:

I think he sang Release better in 05 06 07 than any other year. Like I said earlier, the 98 boot i listened to recently had the most painful Release ever.

Plus I am 35 and let me tell you, NOTHING on my body is getting stronger.(insert jokes) Ed is 43 and doesn't sing like Bon Jovi or Barry Manilow. He has an incredible voice that is still going strong

Well, you're entitled to your opinion. And Ed's entitled to keep smoking. But I don't think it's all that debatable that smoking, in the long run, is never gonna be good for your voice.

Smellyman2

Rhinocerous Surprise wrote:

Well, you're entitled to your opinion. And Ed's entitled to keep smoking. But I don't think it's all that debatable that smoking, in the long run, is never gonna be good for your voice.

Singing Blood, DTE, Comatose, Lukin, Habit, Last Exit, GO, well really any PJ song isn't good for your voice. I guess he's fucked. Age and singing will get to him long before smokes do.

Rhinocerous Surprise

Smellyman wrote:

Singing Blood, DTE, Comatose, Lukin, Habit, Last Exit, GO, well really any PJ song isn't good for your voice. I guess he's fucked. Age and singing will get to him long before smokes do.

I don't think anyone's disagreeing that age is affecting his voice as much as anything. But you have to admit that smoking isn't helping - my previous example of Cornell is a clear indication of what quitting can do for your voice. After all, singing Soundgarden and Audioslave songs can't exactly work wonders for your pipes.

Smellyman2

Rhinocerous Surprise wrote:

I don't think anyone's disagreeing that age is affecting his voice as much as anything. But you have to admit that smoking isn't helping - my previous example of Cornell is a clear indication of what quitting can do for your voice. After all, singing Soundgarden and Audioslave songs can't exactly work wonders for your pipes.

Cornell still sounds like shit to me.

slightofjeff

He sometimes doesn't do so well on the faster, harder songs. You know why? He's 40-something fucking years old. It's hard to shriek for 20 years.

But guess what? Though ed is a worse *screamer* than he was in 1993, he's a far better *singer*.

And I prefer the Ed who sings more than the Ed who screams at this point in my life. Maybe there was a time when that was different.

Another thing I'll note, i have some boots from '95 on which Ed's voice is *almost* unbearable. Everything is kind of oversung, and a lot of times he sounds like one of those mid-90s fucks trying to do an Ed impression. I just think that level of screaming is impossible to sustain night in and night out.

Nowadays, he knows how to harness his voice. He doesn't often oversing. And on songs that call for him to *sing* instead of *scream* he is far and away better than 25-year-old EV could have ever hoped to.

I couldn't imagine EV being able to pull off Arc in 1995, could you?

Rhinocerous Surprise

Smellyman wrote:

Cornell still sounds like shit to me.

Well then you're wrong.

Rhinocerous Surprise

slightofjeff wrote:

He sometimes doesn't do so well on the faster, harder songs. You know why? He's 40-something fucking years old. It's hard to shriek for 20 years.

But guess what? Though ed is a worse *screamer* than he was in 1993, he's a far better *singer*.

And I prefer the Ed who sings more than the Ed who screams at this point in my life. Maybe there was a time when that was different.

Another thing I'll note, i have some boots from '95 on which Ed's voice is *almost* unbearable. Everything is kind of oversung, and a lot of times he sounds like one of those mid-90s fucks trying to do an Ed impression. I just think that level of screaming is impossible to sustain night in and night out.

Nowadays, he knows how to harness his voice. He doesn't often oversing. And on songs that call for him to *sing* instead of *scream* he is far and away better than 25-year-old EV could have ever hoped to.

I couldn't imagine EV being able to pull off Arc in 1995, could you?

I agree - like I said, I think his technique is far better than it was. But I also think his voice is letting him down at times, and smoking, whether it's the root cause or not, can't possibly be helping.

Also, even though Ed shrieking isn't what you're looking for, a lot of PJ's songs still call for it. I really believe if he stopped smoking, he'd do a lot better on them.

aNiMaL

Smellyman wrote:

crikey. another ed voice/smoking thread

That's what i was thinking too.

thunderDAN

I like his voice the way it is now because I think it takes them out of the 'grunge' clump people put them in. They can be seen as a rock band now not just one of those grunge bands from the 90s. I think the maturation(I'll use that) of Ed's voice is the reason. The songs we loved from back in the 90s have aged with the time and I personally think they are awesome.

DiRtyFranK38

sometimes i wish he could still sing not for you and go like he used to, but when it comes down to it, i think ed's voice is much better now. overall, i much prefer him now. like someone else said, he's much more of a singer now. i think he sounds fantastic ..

Mathata

I agree that Ed's voice is amazing - love hearing it and really like Into the Wild CD - he could sing the phone book with a dozen cigs hanging out of his mouth and would still droll. I agree to good for you but he is an adult. Forget the snuff - turns the face colors after awhile and that would not be good.

Sexy2aFault

Rhinocerous Surprise wrote:

Well, you're entitled to your opinion. And Ed's entitled to keep smoking. But I don't think it's all that debatable that smoking, in the long run, is never gonna be good for your voice.

True that, eddie has the right to smoke and drink.

This certainly is not a bash Ed's voice thread. Eddie defintely has been better than his peers. I mean look at Daltrey in the 80's and 90's. Eddie currently can belt out Baba better than Roger could in the 70's. . Only occasionaly when he has too much too drink and smoke does it come through as poorly on the boots.

But who elses voice gets put under this much scrutiny? Have you heard what Billy Corgan sounds like live? He had a hard time hitting notes in his prime. Eddie live is still in rare company of singers who sound just as good if not better live than they do on record. I would put him in the class of:


Michael Stipe
Thom Yorke (though his indifference to melody hurts him live)
Jim James
Brandon Flowers (yeah flame me for saying it I do not care)

Rhinocerous Surprise

Sexy2aFault wrote:

True that, eddie has the right to smoke and drink.

This certainly is not a bash Ed's voice thread. Eddie defintely has been better than his peers. I mean look at Daltrey in the 80's and 90's. Eddie currently can belt out Baba better than Roger could in the 70's. . Only occasionaly when he has too much too drink and smoke does it come through as poorly on the boots.

But who elses voice gets put under this much scrutiny? Have you heard what Billy Corgan sounds like live? He had a hard time hitting notes in his prime. Eddie live is still in rare company of singers who sound just as good if not better live than they do on record. I would put him in the class of:


Michael Stipe
Thom Yorke (though his indifference to melody hurts him live)
Jim James
Brandon Flowers (yeah flame me for saying it I do not care)

Exactly - the only reason anyone cares about Eddie smoking is because we want him to keep bringing the goods live, like he has for the last 18 years. And... y'know... the health risks and such.

Im still here

There is NOTHING wrong with Ed's voice

wtf??????

PJamGrunge10

slightofjeff wrote:

He sometimes doesn't do so well on the faster, harder songs. You know why? He's 40-something fucking years old. It's hard to shriek for 20 years.

But guess what? Though ed is a worse *screamer* than he was in 1993, he's a far better *singer*.

And I prefer the Ed who sings more than the Ed who screams at this point in my life. Maybe there was a time when that was different.

Another thing I'll note, i have some boots from '95 on which Ed's voice is *almost* unbearable. Everything is kind of oversung, and a lot of times he sounds like one of those mid-90s fucks trying to do an Ed impression. I just think that level of screaming is impossible to sustain night in and night out.

Nowadays, he knows how to harness his voice. He doesn't often oversing. And on songs that call for him to *sing* instead of *scream* he is far and away better than 25-year-old EV could have ever hoped to.

I couldn't imagine EV being able to pull off Arc in 1995, could you?

I'm not so sure I agree with you... his *singing* isn't quite as fluid as it used to be. He stops notes short to take breaths more often which can be annoying. I also think he tries to hard to have a "mellow" singing voice on some songs, he practically whispers Immortality and Black now...

PeArLJaMeD23

i wanna see them make a Exile on Main Street (Rolling Stones) type album, real bluesy using different instruments. you know eddie and the boys can pull it off. just imagine the possibilities!

Especially with brendan o'brien working with them.