John McCain doesn't like Ledbetter...here's why...

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McCain opposes equal pay bill in Senate

By LIBBY QUAID, Associated Press Writer Wed Apr 23, 7:40 PM ET

NEW ORLEANS - Republican Sen. John McCain, campaigning through poverty-stricken cities and towns, said Wednesday he opposes a Senate bill that seeks equal pay for women because it would lead to more lawsuits.
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Senate Republicans killed the bill Wednesday night on a 56-42 vote that denied the measure the 60 votes needed to advance it to full debate and a vote. Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., had delayed the vote to give McCain's Democratic rivals, Sens. Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Obama, time to return to Washington to support the measure, which would make it easier for women to sue their employers for pay discrimination.

McCain skipped the vote to campaign in New Orleans.

"I am all in favor of pay equity for women, but this kind of legislation, as is typical of what's being proposed by my friends on the other side of the aisle, opens us up to lawsuits for all kinds of problems," the expected GOP presidential nominee told reporters. "This is government playing a much, much greater role in the business of a private enterprise system."

The bill sought to counteract a Supreme Court decision limiting how long workers can wait before suing for pay discrimination.

It is named for Lilly Ledbetter, a supervisor at the Goodyear Tire & Rubber Co.'s plant in Gadsden, Ala., who sued for pay discrimination just before retiring after a 19-year career there. By the time she retired, Ledbetter made $6,500 less than the lowest-paid male supervisor and claimed earlier decisions by supervisors kept her from making more.

The Supreme Court voted 5-4 last year to throw out her complaint, saying she had waited too long to sue.

Democrats criticized McCain for opposing the bill.

"Senator McCain has yet again fallen in line with President Bush while middle-class families are falling by the wayside," Clinton said in a statement following the vote. "Women are earning less, but Senator McCain is offering more of the same."

Democratic National Committee spokeswoman Karen Finney said: "At a time when American families are struggling to keep their homes and jobs while paying more for everything from gasoline to groceries, how on Earth would anyone who thinks they can lead our country also think it's acceptable to oppose equal pay for America's mothers, wives and daughters?"

McCain stated his opposition to the bill as he campaigned in rural eastern Kentucky, where poverty is worse among women than men. The Arizona senator said he was familiar with the disparity but that there are better ways to help women find better paying jobs.

"They need the education and training, particularly since more and more women are heads of their households, as much or more than anybody else," McCain said. "And it's hard for them to leave their families when they don't have somebody to take care of them.

"It's a vicious cycle that's affecting women, particularly in a part of the country like this, where mining is the mainstay; traditionally, women have not gone into that line of work, to say the least," he said.

McCain chose to visit the tiny hamlet of Inez, Ky., because it is where President Lyndon B. Johnson declared war on poverty. But McCain said Johnson's poverty programs had failed.

"I wouldn't be back here today if government had fulfilled the promise that Lyndon Johnson made 44 years ago," he said.

In recent weeks, McCain has proposed a series of tax breaks for corporations, government-backed refinancing for struggling homeowners and a summer holiday from gas taxes. He proposed another new program Wednesday: a tax write-off for companies that provide high-speed Internet access for underserved, low-income communities.
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  • AnonAnon Posts: 11,175
    that's ok, cause i'm not too keen on mccain either ;)
  • why would anybody want 4 more years of these kind of excuses??
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  • 4Powers204Powers20 Posts: 1,228
    war hero.


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  • 4Powers20 wrote:
    war hero.

    absolutely!! but too much of a bush puppet the last 8 years.
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  • 4Powers204Powers20 Posts: 1,228
    absolutely!! but too much of a bush puppet the last 8 years.

    not really.


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  • CROJAM95CROJAM95 Posts: 9,880
    Yes vote for McCain. Another guy who will try to scare everyone and forget whats going on, here on American Soil.The sad part is people think Bush/McCain are elevating this country, they will bankrupt us, and blame everything on the Clinton years.Dare I say McCain is better than Bush, but we still need to overhaul this situation.Our military is worn thin,economy is in ruin,gas is through the roof. I'm not confident in the Dems

    but this time around I would absolutly take the lesser of 2 evils
  • 4Powers204Powers20 Posts: 1,228
    I will vote for the guy with military expeirence since we are in a war (regardless if you like it or not, we are in a war) and not Hilary or Obama who do not have a military background.


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  • Drew263Drew263 Birmingham, AL Posts: 602
    absolutely!! but too much of a bush puppet the last 8 years.


    lol..Republicans think he's a closet Dem and Dems thinks he's W 2.

    Yet Obama is friends with an American Hating Racist, a mob criminal, a terrorist, and one more controversial pal to be named soon. Yeah..he's got a prayer...
  • CROJAM95CROJAM95 Posts: 9,880
    Drew263 wrote:
    lol..Republicans think he's a closet Dem and Dems thinks he's W 2.

    Yet Obama is friends with an American Hating Racist, a mob criminal, a terrorist, and one more controversial pal to be named soon. Yeah..he's got a prayer...


    Bush/Cheney seem reallll close to the Saudis

    The same Saudis that gave us highjackers,who hold us hostage at gas pumps,and who treat woman like shit.Yet they still love high end American shit

    Doesn't McCain follow a preacher who hates Catholics? I myself am Catholc and that is kinda offensive
  • jeffbrjeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    Why is this thread in this forum?

    This is a stupid fucking bill that deserved to be voted down. Why would anyone want the government running businesses and deciding who should get paid who much. They can't even manage themselves. Keep the government out of my life and my business.
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  • 4Powers204Powers20 Posts: 1,228
    CROJAM95 wrote:
    Bush/Cheney seem reallll close to the Saudis

    The same Saudis that gave us highjackers,who hold us hostage at gas pumps,and who treat woman like shit.Yet they still love high end American shit

    Doesn't McCain follow a preacher who hates Catholics? I myself am Catholc and that is kinda offensive


    The Saudi's are holding us hostage at gas pumps? Every gas company had record high profits last year. The oil execs are holding us hostage more than the producers.


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  • sk8nshoot1sk8nshoot1 Posts: 722
    jeffbr wrote:
    Why is this thread in this forum?

    This is a stupid fucking bill that deserved to be voted down. Why would anyone want the government running businesses and deciding who should get paid who much. They can't even manage themselves. Keep the government out of my life and my business.

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  • HermanBloomHermanBloom Posts: 1,764
    I agree wholeheartedly with McCain's decision. This is just another piece of legislation crafted by lawyers to make even more money than they already steal from us. The less lawsuits and government the better.
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  • CROJAM95CROJAM95 Posts: 9,880
    4Powers20 wrote:
    The Saudi's are holding us hostage at gas pumps? Every gas company had record high profits last year. The oil execs are holding us hostage more than the producers.

    There are many to blame, also taxes. Saudis are known for fuckin with production.Cheney was there last month asking for lower crude oil prices, not to help Americans but to warn Saudis we might get wise and move one day in a new renewable energy direction.

    Bottomline Crude does not come close to what a gallon of gas costs
  • faithful2youfaithful2you Madison, WI Posts: 779
    absolutely!! but too much of a bush puppet the last 8 years.
    You obviously do not follow politics at all. That statement came right out of your uneducated ass.
    With everything going on in the world...and the 3 options our government is giving us for president....McCain is the best option....in my opinion. I'm not "whoooo-Hooo McCain!" I don't agree with some of his plans but to me, Obama and Hillary are so goddamn phony I can't stand it. Plus they are beating eachother up so much with this process it is hurting either of their chances.
    Like a word misplaced...nothing said...what a waste
  • CROJAM95CROJAM95 Posts: 9,880
    You obviously do not follow politics at all. That statement came right out of your uneducated ass.
    With everything going on in the world...and the 3 options our government is giving us for president....McCain is the best option....in my opinion. I'm not "whoooo-Hooo McCain!" I don't agree with some of his plans but to me, Obama and Hillary are so goddamn phony I can't stand it. Plus they are beating eachother up so much with this process it is hurting either of their chances.

    I think Obama is falling fast. Its a shame. McCain will be the next president.The best presidents we've had have all been great speakers.I think Obama would bring a positive vibe to Washington.
  • You obviously do not follow politics at all. That statement came right out of your uneducated ass.
    With everything going on in the world...and the 3 options our government is giving us for president....McCain is the best option....in my opinion. I'm not "whoooo-Hooo McCain!" I don't agree with some of his plans but to me, Obama and Hillary are so goddamn phony I can't stand it. Plus they are beating eachother up so much with this process it is hurting either of their chances.

    Thanks for the insult and your opinion...hey I like the guy as a man and as a war hero, but I've want to see more of the guy that ran against bush in 2000, than the guy I've seen at bush's side at times on certain issues (obviously not interrogation tactics). I'm not a bush follower so obviously I like someone who is as far away from him as possible and that's my opinion. I am also far from uneducated.
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  • walkunafraidwalkunafraid Posts: 2,605
    CROJAM95 wrote:
    I think Obama is falling fast. Its a shame. McCain will be the next president.The best presidents we've had have all been great speakers.I think Obama would bring a positive vibe to Washington.

    I don't think Obama is falling at all. In spite of the many things Clinton/McCain have thrown at him, he has continued to ring up endorsements by others Dems, win over superdelegates, and gain the support of American voters. Hell, he just cut a 25% Clinton lead in Pennsylvania to only 10%. That's a huge leap in a matter of weeks.

    Obama WILL be the Democratic nominee. Clinton would have to win almost 70% of the popular vote in the remaining primaries, and that just isn't going to happen. She has pretty much conceded North Carolina to Obama, and she has failed to win more than 65% of the vote in any state except Arkansas (where her husband used to be governer).

    I like Clinton, but I wish she would drop out of the race and start repairing some of the damage that has been done to the Democrats with her sparring with Obama. I still think Obama can and will win the presidency, but that won't be made clear until he officially wins the Democratic nomination and begins a full-fledged campaign for president.

    When that does happen, and people begin to realize the breath of fresh air he will bring to the White House, and begin to learn how his policies/ideas would differ from McCain's, I truly believe he will win over enough voters to be our next president.
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  • CROJAM95CROJAM95 Posts: 9,880
    I don't think Obama is falling at all. In spite of the many things Clinton/McCain have thrown at him, he has continued to ring up endorsements by others Dems, win over superdelegates, and gain the support of American voters. Hell, he just cut a 25% Clinton lead in Pennsylvania to only 10%. That's a huge leap in a matter of weeks.

    Obama WILL be the Democratic nominee. Clinton would have to win almost 70% of the popular vote in the remaining primaries, and that just isn't going to happen. She has pretty much conceded North Carolina to Obama, and she has failed to win more than 65% of the vote in any state except Arkansas (where her husband used to be governer).

    I like Clinton, but I wish she would drop out of the race and start repairing some of the damage that has been done to the Democrats with her sparring with Obama. I still think Obama can and will win the presidency, but that won't be made clear until he officially wins the Democratic nomination and begins a full-fledged campaign for president.

    When that does happen, and people begin to realize the breath of fresh air he will bring to the White House, and begin to learn how his policies/ideas would differ from McCain's, I truly believe he will win over enough voters to be our next president.

    Wait til November. If you think Kerry got it bad, you ain't seen nothing yet.Kerry was a bonified WAR HERO, like our friend McCain,and they ripped him up. I just feel their are powers in this country that will never let a black guy win, no matter what.
  • faithful2youfaithful2you Madison, WI Posts: 779
    CROJAM95 wrote:
    Wait til November. If you think Kerry got it bad, you ain't seen nothing yet.Kerry was a bonified WAR HERO, like our friend McCain,and they ripped him up. I just feel their are powers in this country that will never let a black guy win, no matter what.
    I dissagree with the race thing. Never say never. Of course there are going to be ignorant people that will vote based on that but I think the majority in this country is leaning the other direction.....where it doesn't matter.

    Kerry was not a war hero. His "tour" was a summer camp compared to what McCain went through.
    Like a word misplaced...nothing said...what a waste
  • faithful2youfaithful2you Madison, WI Posts: 779
    Thanks for the insult and your opinion...hey I like the guy as a man and as a war hero, but I've want to see more of the guy that ran against bush in 2000, than the guy I've seen at bush's side at times on certain issues (obviously not interrogation tactics). I'm not a bush follower so obviously I like someone who is as far away from him as possible and that's my opinion. I am also far from uneducated.
    Sorry, that was kind of uncalled for.
    Like a word misplaced...nothing said...what a waste
  • CROJAM95CROJAM95 Posts: 9,880
    I dissagree with the race thing. Never say never. Of course there are going to be ignorant people that will vote based on that but I think the majority in this country is leaning the other direction.....where it doesn't matter.

    Kerry was not a war hero. His "tour" was a summer camp compared to what McCain went through.


    McCain is a bonified War Hero.Kerry I beleive was shot in the ass. That's got to count for something.I hope your right about the country finally seeing through race, I mean Obama is just as white as he is black. Lets get to the issues, may the best man or woman win. Lets bring people together.This country has the potential for greatness once again. Focus on the middle class needs to be a priority
  • gndcd402gndcd402 Posts: 2,563
    I dissagree with the race thing. Never say never. Of course there are going to be ignorant people that will vote based on that but I think the majority in this country is leaning the other direction.....where it doesn't matter.

    Kerry was not a war hero. His "tour" was a summer camp compared to what McCain went through.

    I don't know about the race issue. I support Obama but if you'd see the majority of people in my area (borderline white supremecists) you'd also question the issue. I'm from PA and this is a swing state so that could greatly hurt Barack's chances here...
  • pjalive21pjalive21 St. Louis, MO Posts: 2,818
    CROJAM95 wrote:
    Bush/Cheney seem reallll close to the Saudis

    The same Saudis that gave us highjackers,who hold us hostage at gas pumps,and who treat woman like shit.Yet they still love high end American shit

    Doesn't McCain follow a preacher who hates Catholics? I myself am Catholc and that is kinda offensive

    i am catholic and we give ourselves enough reasons to be hated, so no this isnt offensive to me

    catholic church is a corporation thats all about the money

    as far as the topic of this thread if you think McCain is the only warmonger then you havent listened to a thing Obama has said lately...he wants to go into Pakistain IMMEDIATELY.....thus stretching us further with our military and then we have Hilary threatening annihilation to Iran
  • CROJAM95CROJAM95 Posts: 9,880
    pjalive21 wrote:
    i am catholic and we give ourselves enough reasons to be hated, so no this isnt offensive to me

    catholic church is a corporation thats all about the money

    as far as the topic of this thread if you think McCain is the only warmonger then you havent listened to a thing Obama has said lately...he wants to go into Pakistain IMMEDIATELY.....thus stretching us further with our military and then we have Hilary threatening annihilation to Iran

    I was kinda refrencing the whole rev. Wright comments. All these nutty preachers are the same.Why should Obama have to answer for Wright, when all our politicans pander to fanatics.Yes I'm Catholic, but I'm also a realist who was embarrased at the whole lets move our abusive priests to different parishes, and hope no one notices it BS. When it comes to religon I view it as fast food chains. They all sell burgers, they just do it in a different way.
  • walkunafraidwalkunafraid Posts: 2,605
    CROJAM95 wrote:
    Wait til November. If you think Kerry got it bad, you ain't seen nothing yet.Kerry was a bonified WAR HERO, like our friend McCain,and they ripped him up. I just feel their are powers in this country that will never let a black guy win, no matter what.

    Every presidential candidate -- white or black, man or woman -- gets ripped up. Sadly, it's how politics work. It's no longer so much about making yourself look good as much as it is about making your opponent look bad.

    That being said, I feel that Obama has a natural ability to handle being "ripped up" much better than most other people.

    More than anything, though, I think most of this country is fed up with the status quo and are ready for a significant change. Let's face it: the last 8 years haven't been good for hardly anybody outside of the upper class.

    Although there will always be people who will refuse to vote for a black guy, or a woman, or even a seventy+ year old man, in the bigger picture those people have relatively little influence over an entire political contest that involves millions of voters.

    I believe the fact that Obama is going to the Democratic nominee in the first place is an incredible portrait of just how ready for change this country is. Like you said, just wait till November...
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  • pjalive21pjalive21 St. Louis, MO Posts: 2,818
    CROJAM95 wrote:
    . When it comes to religon I view it as fast food chains. They all sell burgers, they just do it in a different way.

    thats brilliant! haha..thats was truely funny :)
  • pjalive21pjalive21 St. Louis, MO Posts: 2,818
    Every presidential candidate -- white or black, man or woman -- gets ripped up. Sadly, it's how politics work. It's no longer so much about making yourself look good as much as it is about making your opponent look bad.

    That being said, I feel that Obama has a natural ability to handle being "ripped up" much better than most other people.

    More than anything, though, I think most of this country is fed up with the status quo and are ready for a significant change. Let's face it: the last 8 years haven't been good for hardly anybody outside of the upper class.

    Although there will always be people who will refuse to vote for a black guy, or a woman, or even a seventy+ year old man, in the bigger picture those people have relatively little influence over an entire political contest that involves millions of voters.

    I believe the fact that Obama is going to the Democratic nominee in the first place is an incredible portrait of just how ready for change this country is. Like you said, just wait till November...

    why does change mean it has to be a change with race? im so tired of hearing "change" and "hope" but where is the substance?

    the man has no substance? he is a great speaker (ooops is that racist?)

    i believe a part of who you are is reflected in who you surround yourself with, it shows part of your character and if Obama is anywhere near the people he associated himself with then i want no part of it

    give me McCain anyday over the choices we have rather than just picking Obama to show how far we have come with race...keep in mind he is as much white as he is black
  • walkunafraidwalkunafraid Posts: 2,605
    pjalive21 wrote:
    why does change mean it has to be a change with race? im so tired of hearing "change" and "hope" but where is the substance?

    the man has no substance? he is a great speaker (ooops is that racist?)

    i believe a part of who you are is reflected in who you surround yourself with, it shows part of your character and if Obama is anywhere near the people he associated himself with then i want no part of it

    give me McCain anyday over the choices we have rather than just picking Obama to show how far we have come with race...keep in mind he is as much white as he is black

    Who said that change is associated with race?

    When I talk about change, I mean a change in ideas, personality, honesty, and policies.

    To be 1000% honest, the issue of race wasn't anywhere in my head when I said it's time for a change.

    Based on an extensive amount of time listening to, reading about, and observing Obama, I feel that he represents all of the ideals listed above.

    Sure he has associated with people who have said or done some bad things in the past, but who hasn't? I have. You probably have. McCain, I'm sure, has. That doesn't mean we are bad people, it just means that we have met people in our lives that have done things others don't agree with. So what? Are we really so swayed by political rhetoric to allow that to influence who we feel will do what's best for our country?
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  • jwillmojwillmo Posts: 470
    I dissagree with the race thing. Never say never. Of course there are going to be ignorant people that will vote based on that but I think the majority in this country is leaning the other direction.....where it doesn't matter.

    Kerry was not a war hero. His "tour" was a summer camp compared to what McCain went through.
    So the only people who are war heroes are people who were POWs in the Hanoi Hilton? Jesus H Balls those are some high standards.

    Of course, me being a giant vagina who would never join the military, I would say just signing up makes you a hero of sorts.

    And whoever said they're voting for McCain because the other two are "too phony" haven't been paying attention to McCain in the last couple years or so. I used to be on the "Straight Talk Express" bandwagon myself, but lately he's been just as much a pandering douchebag as anyone else. All three candidates are full of shit, because apparently you have to be to run for president. You just have to choose between degrees and/or types of bullshit. Whatever bullshit works for you.
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