John McCain doesn't like Ledbetter...here's why...

faithful2you

NeverbeenLedbetter wrote:

Thanks for the insult and your opinion...hey I like the guy as a man and as a war hero, but I've want to see more of the guy that ran against bush in 2000, than the guy I've seen at bush's side at times on certain issues (obviously not interrogation tactics). I'm not a bush follower so obviously I like someone who is as far away from him as possible and that's my opinion. I am also far from uneducated.

Sorry, that was kind of uncalled for.

CROJAM95

faithful2you wrote:

I dissagree with the race thing. Never say never. Of course there are going to be ignorant people that will vote based on that but I think the majority in this country is leaning the other direction.....where it doesn't matter.

Kerry was not a war hero. His "tour" was a summer camp compared to what McCain went through.

McCain is a bonified War Hero.Kerry I beleive was shot in the ass. That's got to count for something.I hope your right about the country finally seeing through race, I mean Obama is just as white as he is black. Lets get to the issues, may the best man or woman win. Lets bring people together.This country has the potential for greatness once again. Focus on the middle class needs to be a priority

gndcd402

faithful2you wrote:

I dissagree with the race thing. Never say never. Of course there are going to be ignorant people that will vote based on that but I think the majority in this country is leaning the other direction.....where it doesn't matter.

Kerry was not a war hero. His "tour" was a summer camp compared to what McCain went through.

I don't know about the race issue. I support Obama but if you'd see the majority of people in my area (borderline white supremecists) you'd also question the issue. I'm from PA and this is a swing state so that could greatly hurt Barack's chances here...

pjalive21

CROJAM95 wrote:

Bush/Cheney seem reallll close to the Saudis

The same Saudis that gave us highjackers,who hold us hostage at gas pumps,and who treat woman like shit.Yet they still love high end American shit

Doesn't McCain follow a preacher who hates Catholics? I myself am Catholc and that is kinda offensive

i am catholic and we give ourselves enough reasons to be hated, so no this isnt offensive to me

catholic church is a corporation thats all about the money

as far as the topic of this thread if you think McCain is the only warmonger then you havent listened to a thing Obama has said lately...he wants to go into Pakistain IMMEDIATELY.....thus stretching us further with our military and then we have Hilary threatening annihilation to Iran

CROJAM95

pjalive21 wrote:

i am catholic and we give ourselves enough reasons to be hated, so no this isnt offensive to me

catholic church is a corporation thats all about the money

as far as the topic of this thread if you think McCain is the only warmonger then you havent listened to a thing Obama has said lately...he wants to go into Pakistain IMMEDIATELY.....thus stretching us further with our military and then we have Hilary threatening annihilation to Iran

I was kinda refrencing the whole rev. Wright comments. All these nutty preachers are the same.Why should Obama have to answer for Wright, when all our politicans pander to fanatics.Yes I'm Catholic, but I'm also a realist who was embarrased at the whole lets move our abusive priests to different parishes, and hope no one notices it BS. When it comes to religon I view it as fast food chains. They all sell burgers, they just do it in a different way.

walkunafraid

CROJAM95 wrote:

Wait til November. If you think Kerry got it bad, you ain't seen nothing yet.Kerry was a bonified WAR HERO, like our friend McCain,and they ripped him up. I just feel their are powers in this country that will never let a black guy win, no matter what.

Every presidential candidate -- white or black, man or woman -- gets ripped up. Sadly, it's how politics work. It's no longer so much about making yourself look good as much as it is about making your opponent look bad.

That being said, I feel that Obama has a natural ability to handle being "ripped up" much better than most other people.

More than anything, though, I think most of this country is fed up with the status quo and are ready for a significant change. Let's face it: the last 8 years haven't been good for hardly anybody outside of the upper class.

Although there will always be people who will refuse to vote for a black guy, or a woman, or even a seventy+ year old man, in the bigger picture those people have relatively little influence over an entire political contest that involves millions of voters.

I believe the fact that Obama is going to the Democratic nominee in the first place is an incredible portrait of just how ready for change this country is. Like you said, just wait till November...

pjalive21

CROJAM95 wrote:

. When it comes to religon I view it as fast food chains. They all sell burgers, they just do it in a different way.

thats brilliant! haha..thats was truely funny

pjalive21

walkunafraid wrote:

Every presidential candidate -- white or black, man or woman -- gets ripped up. Sadly, it's how politics work. It's no longer so much about making yourself look good as much as it is about making your opponent look bad.

That being said, I feel that Obama has a natural ability to handle being "ripped up" much better than most other people.

More than anything, though, I think most of this country is fed up with the status quo and are ready for a significant change. Let's face it: the last 8 years haven't been good for hardly anybody outside of the upper class.

Although there will always be people who will refuse to vote for a black guy, or a woman, or even a seventy+ year old man, in the bigger picture those people have relatively little influence over an entire political contest that involves millions of voters.

I believe the fact that Obama is going to the Democratic nominee in the first place is an incredible portrait of just how ready for change this country is. Like you said, just wait till November...

why does change mean it has to be a change with race? im so tired of hearing "change" and "hope" but where is the substance?

the man has no substance? he is a great speaker (ooops is that racist?)

i believe a part of who you are is reflected in who you surround yourself with, it shows part of your character and if Obama is anywhere near the people he associated himself with then i want no part of it

give me McCain anyday over the choices we have rather than just picking Obama to show how far we have come with race...keep in mind he is as much white as he is black

walkunafraid

pjalive21 wrote:

why does change mean it has to be a change with race? im so tired of hearing "change" and "hope" but where is the substance?

the man has no substance? he is a great speaker (ooops is that racist?)

i believe a part of who you are is reflected in who you surround yourself with, it shows part of your character and if Obama is anywhere near the people he associated himself with then i want no part of it

give me McCain anyday over the choices we have rather than just picking Obama to show how far we have come with race...keep in mind he is as much white as he is black

Who said that change is associated with race?

When I talk about change, I mean a change in ideas, personality, honesty, and policies.

To be 1000% honest, the issue of race wasn't anywhere in my head when I said it's time for a change.

Based on an extensive amount of time listening to, reading about, and observing Obama, I feel that he represents all of the ideals listed above.

Sure he has associated with people who have said or done some bad things in the past, but who hasn't? I have. You probably have. McCain, I'm sure, has. That doesn't mean we are bad people, it just means that we have met people in our lives that have done things others don't agree with. So what? Are we really so swayed by political rhetoric to allow that to influence who we feel will do what's best for our country?

jwillmo

faithful2you wrote:

I dissagree with the race thing. Never say never. Of course there are going to be ignorant people that will vote based on that but I think the majority in this country is leaning the other direction.....where it doesn't matter.

Kerry was not a war hero. His "tour" was a summer camp compared to what McCain went through.

So the only people who are war heroes are people who were POWs in the Hanoi Hilton? Jesus H Balls those are some high standards.

Of course, me being a giant vagina who would never join the military, I would say just signing up makes you a hero of sorts.

And whoever said they're voting for McCain because the other two are "too phony" haven't been paying attention to McCain in the last couple years or so. I used to be on the "Straight Talk Express" bandwagon myself, but lately he's been just as much a pandering douchebag as anyone else. All three candidates are full of shit, because apparently you have to be to run for president. You just have to choose between degrees and/or types of bullshit. Whatever bullshit works for you.

faithful2you

jwillmo wrote:

So the only people who are war heroes are people who were POWs in the Hanoi Hilton? Jesus H Balls those are some high standards.

Of course, me being a giant vagina who would never join the military, I would say just signing up makes you a hero of sorts.

And whoever said they're voting for McCain because the other two are "too phony" haven't been paying attention to McCain in the last couple years or so. I used to be on the "Straight Talk Express" bandwagon myself, but lately he's been just as much a pandering douchebag as anyone else. All three candidates are full of shit, because apparently you have to be to run for president. You just have to choose between degrees and/or types of bullshit. Whatever bullshit works for you.

Never said that. I am in the military. John Kerry is far from a "hero". I appriciate his service but a hero he is not.

I cannot for the life of me see the "change" or "hope" in Obama or Clinton....if you have been paying attention lately it's all the same 'ol crap with those two too....politics as usual. What has either of them done that is different than anyone else? All Obama does is talk about change and hope....but there is nothing there that tells me how he's going to get there.

wilfmiss

CROJAM95 wrote:

Dare I say McCain is better than Bush

A monkey with a tambourine would be better than Bush.

faithful2you

wilfmiss wrote:

A monkey with a tambourine would be better than Bush.

not agreeing but.....that's funny

walkunafraid

wilfmiss wrote:

A monkey with a tambourine would be better than Bush.

I disagree. I believe they are one in the same.

inmytree

Drew263 wrote:

lol..Republicans think he's a closet Dem and Dems thinks he's W 2.

Yet Obama is friends with an American Hating Racist, a mob criminal, a terrorist, and one more controversial pal to be named soon. Yeah..he's got a prayer...

two words: John Hagee...

CROJAM95

faithful2you wrote:

Never said that. I am in the military. John Kerry is far from a "hero". I appriciate his service but a hero he is not.

I cannot for the life of me see the "change" or "hope" in Obama or Clinton....if you have been paying attention lately it's all the same 'ol crap with those two too....politics as usual. What has either of them done that is different than anyone else? All Obama does is talk about change and hope....but there is nothing there that tells me how he's going to get there.

Those swift boat adds were total disgrace to anyone who has ever served.To take a shot at a fellow serviceman like that is sheer partisanship.Maybe a bunch did not agree with Kerry's stance after nam, newsflash Nam did not solve a thing.Many died honorably, it just made people weary of the military
Why did they give Kerry get medals if he was just your run of the mill serviceman?

faithful2you

CROJAM95 wrote:

Those swift boat adds were total disgrace to anyone who has ever served.To take a shot at a fellow serviceman like that is sheer partisanship.Maybe a bunch did not agree with Kerry's stance after nam, newsflash Nam did not solve a thing.Many died honorably, it just made people weary of the military
Why did they give Kerry get medals if he was just your run of the mill serviceman?

My opinion on medals is this.....there is only one that is worth anything, and that one you will only be honored with if your dead.

I'm not discrediting decorated military personel, but all the medals I have don't mean a lot to me. But some people need them to feel special or feel like they are doing a good job.

CROJAM95

faithful2you wrote:

My opinion on medals is this.....there is only one that is worth anything, and that one you will only be honored with if your dead.

I'm not discrediting decorated military personel, but all the medals I have don't mean a lot to me. But some people need them to feel special or feel like they are doing a good job.

I hear you on that.Personal story, I was at a wedding a few weeks back, and met a gentleman who came back from Iraq with a huge scar on his neck.He was looking for snipers and one of them shot him.The bullet went from one side of his neck through the other.For him to be alive, and being so young to sacrifice his body for this country really had an affect on me.He is someone most will never hear about because the stories out of that place are just remarkable.I dont place Kerry anywhere near him cause he is a US Senator.So yeah medals aren't the end all of heroic behavior, but I dont think just anyone gets them.

Evolution6579

pjalive21 wrote:

why does change mean it has to be a change with race? im so tired of hearing "change" and "hope" but where is the substance?

Have you been following the campaign? McCain looks creepy when he smiles and Hillary looks creepy when she has her eyes open. (That, BTW, has nothing to do with gender.) You can see it in Obama's eyes that he wants to help.

pjalive21 wrote:

the man has no substance? he is a great speaker (ooops is that racist?)

Is this supposed to be coherent speech? lol

pjalive21 wrote:

i believe a part of who you are is reflected in who you surround yourself with, it shows part of your character and if Obama is anywhere near the people he associated himself with then i want no part of it

I agree with this normally, but you are talking about the world of politics. It only becomes a problem when and if he starts listening to those douchebags.

pjalive21 wrote:

...rather than just picking Obama to show how far we have come with race...keep in mind he is as much white as he is black

Sounds kinda Republicanese to me. Have you lived his life? Do you know what he has been through? I'm guessing that the answer is no so why would you make a statement like that?

Ledbetterman10

4Powers20 wrote:

war hero.

Ulysses S. Grant, Franklin Pierce, and Zachary Taylor were war heroes too.....as well as three of the worst presidents in the nation's history.