Well we got New York...

Godfather.

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

it does make me happy. it means that we are finally pulling our heads out of our asses and allowing people to be equal in the eyes of the law regardless of sexual orientation. this is a big step in that movement, but i have no delusions and i know that there are many areas in this country, particularly in red states, where this fight will go on for potentially decades, just as the civil rights movement. good for the courageous politicians in new york that made history yesterday.

maybe teaching's like this are why.

Genesis 19:23 KJV

"The sun was risen upon the earth when Lot entered into Zoar. (24)Then the LORD rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven; (25) And he overthrew those cities, and all the plain, and all the inhabitants of the cities, and that which grew upon the ground. (26) But his wife looked back from behind him, and she became a pillar of salt."

it (gay thing) just goes aginst everything I believe but it's not up to me to judge you or anybody else.

Godfather.

mickeyrat

snow_board_rider wrote:

Woo hoo! Hopefully the rest of the USA follows NY!!!

300 posts in 3 months. I think I replaced my smoking addiction with this forum. Probably better for my health.

Thats lightweight stuff right there!!

Hell norm and Deitris have you beat in a day!!!!

gimmesometruth27

Godfather. wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

it does make me happy. it means that we are finally pulling our heads out of our asses and allowing people to be equal in the eyes of the law regardless of sexual orientation. this is a big step in that movement, but i have no delusions and i know that there are many areas in this country, particularly in red states, where this fight will go on for potentially decades, just as the civil rights movement. good for the courageous politicians in new york that made history yesterday.

maybe teaching's like this are why.

Genesis 19:23 KJV

"The sun was risen upon the earth when Lot entered into Zoar. (24)Then the LORD rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven; (25) And he overthrew those cities, and all the plain, and all the inhabitants of the cities, and that which grew upon the ground. (26) But his wife looked back from behind him, and she became a pillar of salt."

it (gay thing) just goes aginst everything I believe but it's not up to me to judge you or anybody else.

Godfather.

i am not gay. and i do not believe in fairy tales.

mickeyrat

Godfather. wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

it does make me happy. it means that we are finally pulling our heads out of our asses and allowing people to be equal in the eyes of the law regardless of sexual orientation. this is a big step in that movement, but i have no delusions and i know that there are many areas in this country, particularly in red states, where this fight will go on for potentially decades, just as the civil rights movement. good for the courageous politicians in new york that made history yesterday.

maybe teaching's like this are why.

Genesis 19:23 KJV

"The sun was risen upon the earth when Lot entered into Zoar. (24)Then the LORD rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven; (25) And he overthrew those cities, and all the plain, and all the inhabitants of the cities, and that which grew upon the ground. (26) But his wife looked back from behind him, and she became a pillar of salt."

it (gay thing) just goes aginst everything I believe but it's not up to me to judge you or anybody else.

Godfather.

Not being religious , I have a question. Didnt the sacrifice of that man mean that the teachings of the old testament were largely made null and void by his act? That going forward the one commandment is " love one another as you would love yourself"?

Prince Of Dorkness

Well, Godfather...

I met my husband 19 and a half years ago. About 6 months before my sister married her first husband.

We moved into a tiny one-room apartment in a warehouse in downtown Toronto. They moved into the house owned by his parents.

Nobody really acknowledged that we had moved in together. My sister and her first husband had a HUGE party thrown... days of celebrations and banquets and dinners and dances and people coming from five provinces for a big ceremony with a huge dress and tuxedos and people throwing rice and eating cake and drinking champaign.

(I was forced to endure the humiliation of being an usher where I had to sit in the front row while being subjected to a sermon about how it's not a "real marriage" unless there are children).

We had to go to discount and used stores to get dishes, a hot plate, a tiny bar fridge, a toaster oven and a tea kettle. They got LOTS AND LOTS of presents. Countless plate settings, two blenders, two microwave ovens, anything they could want to set up a house (although they didn't need it, they'd lived together for 2 years already and had everything so they sold that stuff and put it together with the envelopes of cash they got and went on vacation).

Carlo and I barely managed to get by. We were broke for years. My sister and her first husband complained loudly that "we only got 3 days of a honeymoon in Cape Breton Island."

My family did whatever they could to make our life awkward and difficult. We earned everything we got and worked hard for it all. My sister and her first husband got everything handed to them on a plate they registered at Macy's.

They divorced 4 years later, just like I predicted would happen at their wedding.

Fast forward to about 5 years ago. My sister, after countless flings, live-in boyfriends and dysfunctional relationships finally started to pop out babies with her latest man and after two kids they finally caved to pressure and got married. He's bi-polar, an alcoholic and within 6 months was having sex with other women in his drunken stupors.

Carlo and I have been together for 19 years. WE haven't been given gifts, parties, unwavering family support, tax breaks, special privileges (like a green card like her first husband got for marrying her) or a toaster oven. Or envelopes full of money.

We're together because we love each other and we've supported each other through all the changes we've been going through over the years.

They're now going through divorce proceedings (their first wedding anniversary is next month).

So tell me... who has the "real marriage?"

Godfather.

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

it does make me happy. it means that we are finally pulling our heads out of our asses and allowing people to be equal in the eyes of the law regardless of sexual orientation. this is a big step in that movement, but i have no delusions and i know that there are many areas in this country, particularly in red states, where this fight will go on for potentially decades, just as the civil rights movement. good for the courageous politicians in new york that made history yesterday.

maybe teaching's like this are why.

Genesis 19:23 KJV

"The sun was risen upon the earth when Lot entered into Zoar. (24)Then the LORD rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven; (25) And he overthrew those cities, and all the plain, and all the inhabitants of the cities, and that which grew upon the ground. (26) But his wife looked back from behind him, and she became a pillar of salt."

it (gay thing) just goes aginst everything I believe but it's not up to me to judge you or anybody else.

Godfather.

i am not gay. and i do not believe in fairy tales.

I know you're not I'm sorry if I made it read that way, I don't believe in fairy tales either, but how about if I posted my beliefs as you did or a few others have (fairy talea,white robed bearded guy in the sky and so on)
what if I worded my thoughts about gay's and their rights like this...corn hole c*ck sucker aids macines's are just ruining the natural progression of man kind ..how would that sit with you ?
if a man is gay it's no business of mine and not up to me to judge them I try and accept people for who they are or their hearts not who they sleep with what color they are or where they go to church or not...it's just not my place to judge anybody.

Godfather.

Godfather.

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

Well, Godfather...

I met my husband 19 and a half years ago. About 6 months before my sister married her first husband.

We moved into a tiny one-room apartment in a warehouse in downtown Toronto. They moved into the house owned by his parents.

Nobody really acknowledged that we had moved in together. My sister and her first husband had a HUGE party thrown... days of celebrations and banquets and dinners and dances and people coming from five provinces for a big ceremony with a huge dress and tuxedos and people throwing rice and eating cake and drinking champaign.

(I was forced to endure the humiliation of being an usher where I had to sit in the front row while being subjected to a sermon about how it's not a "real marriage" unless there are children).

We had to go to discount and used stores to get dishes, a hot plate, a tiny bar fridge, a toaster oven and a tea kettle. They got LOTS AND LOTS of presents. Countless plate settings, two blenders, two microwave ovens, anything they could want to set up a house (although they didn't need it, they'd lived together for 2 years already and had everything so they sold that stuff and put it together with the envelopes of cash they got and went on vacation).

Carlo and I barely managed to get by. We were broke for years. My sister and her first husband complained loudly that "we only got 3 days of a honeymoon in Cape Breton Island."

My family did whatever they could to make our life awkward and difficult. We earned everything we got and worked hard for it all. My sister and her first husband got everything handed to them on a plate they registered at Macy's.

They divorced 4 years later, just like I predicted would happen at their wedding.

Fast forward to about 5 years ago. My sister, after countless flings, live-in boyfriends and dysfunctional relationships finally started to pop out babies with her latest man and after two kids they finally caved to pressure and got married. He's bi-polar, an alcoholic and within 6 months was having sex with other women in his drunken stupors.

Carlo and I have been together for 19 years. WE haven't been given gifts, parties, unwavering family support, tax breaks, special privileges (like a green card like her first husband got for marrying her) or a toaster oven. Or envelopes full of money.

We're together because we love each other and we've supported each other through all the changes we've been going through over the years.

They're now going through divorce proceedings (their first wedding anniversary is next month).

So tell me... who has the "real marriage?"

Brother don't kid your self your relationship with Carlo worked out because you two enjoy and love each other not because it's a gay marriage life is just funny that way some people marry and stay togeather for life and some don't.btw if my post to Gimmi offended you I apoligize honestly I was just trying to make a point about people discrediting another's beliefs with sarcasism's.anyway man if your happy that's great !

Godfather.

Prince Of Dorkness

Godfather. wrote:

corn hole c*ck sucker aids macines's are just ruining the natural progression of man kind ..Godfather.

Well no... gay people are the worker bees of society. We're the teachers who can stay after class to help students, we're there to give care to parents in old age. We can give financial and emotional support. Nobody can deny our contributions to the arts...

Thanks for bringing up the AIDS epidemic. If we learned anything from that, it's that the gay community can pull together and be more altruistic and never lose their fun-loving sense of life.

But who's "ruining the natural progression of man kind?"

Well.. Christians who go out of their way to spit text written thousands of years ago and translated hundreds of times as a way to control others.

That's who.

Wilds

Godfather. wrote:

what if I worded my thoughts about gay's and their rights like this...corn hole c*ck sucker aids macines's are just ruining the natural progression of man kind ..

Godfather.

Now you have worded them that way. And don't even have to look like the person you passively try to pretend you are not.


Politely smiling while spewing hate and intolerance in the name of religion is the same to me as if you were just using the words you displayed in ().

But I'm sure you are a really 'good' person.


As to the topic at hand. (which you had to chime in on of course), Thank 'god' we are progressing and equal rights is still moving forward.

Prince Of Dorkness

Godfather. wrote:

Brother don't kid your self your relationship with Carlo worked out because you two enjoy and love each other not because it's a gay marriage.

No, it's not because it's a "gay marriage." It's because it's a REAL marriage.

btw if my post to Gimmi offended you I apoligize

No, I think you're quite proud of that.

For the record, by the time I was 23 when I met my husband... I had been to the funerals of about 12 of my male friends who were around my age. My friends dropped dead about me and they hadn't done anything I didn't do too.

While this was happening, the general consensus was that us fags deserved it.

That's something that straight men will NEVER be able to fully comprehend... being a young adult and having their closest friends wither and die as you just... watch helplessly.

And I hope you never do have to know what that's like.

Who Princess

Jasun, congrats on your successful marriage and I hope you and Carlo have many more happy years together.

I've been married going on 33 years and I know that staying married through thick and thin isn't easy. But it's particularly hard when you've got no family support and a society saying you're wrong at every turn.

I've known many gay couples whose marriages are more stable than a lot of the straight people I know. They are my friends, coworkers and neighbors, and my husband and I have always been glad to have them as part of life. I wish some of the straight people I know could get beyond the beliefs and attitudes they've grown up with.

Dude, I am very glad you're part of this online community. I always enjoy your posts. I hope that things change in California for the better and soon!

Prince Of Dorkness

whoprincess wrote:

Jasun, congrats on your successful marriage and I hope you and Carlo have many more happy years together.

Thanks very much.

I'll tell you... I know I do get a bit.. out of hand when provoked. It's something I've developed over the years.

But I also know that without the support of allies, the GLBT community wouldn't have ever been able to gain any rights or protections at all. So thanks very much for your support.

arq

It was looong overdue! NY I'm proud of you

Godfather.

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

Brother don't kid your self your relationship with Carlo worked out because you two enjoy and love each other not because it's a gay marriage.

No, it's not because it's a "gay marriage." It's because it's a REAL marriage.

btw if my post to Gimmi offended you I apoligize

No, I think you're quite proud of that.

For the record, by the time I was 23 when I met my husband... I had been to the funerals of about 12 of my male friends who were around my age. My friends dropped dead about me and they hadn't done anything I didn't do too.

While this was happening, the general consensus was that us fags deserved it.

That's something that straight men will NEVER be able to fully comprehend... being a young adult and having their closest friends wither and die as you just... watch helplessly.

And I hope you never do have to know what that's like.

no I am not proud of that, this post will be directed to you POD, I have learned many things posting back and forth on this site but the most important thing I have learned is tollerance and understanding,just reading the back and forth rants about politics God and the gay thing made me realize that there is not much difference between you and I or me and them,I may not agree with something that you say or they say but it does not give me the ok to attack your pernsonal view or way of life so if I don't agree I can say so without trying to discredit your values or opinions and that was the point I was trying to make to Gimmi..kinda a live and let live deal but do you see what happened when I posted the gay rant(thank you everybody for helping to prove my point) personl attacks do nothing to resolve a debate, again I am truley sorry for my post if it offended you
as I have said it's not my place to judge you or anybody else brother and we don't need to discredit anothers beliefs to get a point across....I learned that here on the train.

Godfather.

Prince Of Dorkness

Godfather. wrote:

again I am truley sorry for my post if it offended you
as I have said it's not my place to judge you or anybody else brother and we don't need to discredit anothers beliefs to get a point across....I learned that here on the train.

Godfather.

Well I'll try to meet in the middle and say "apology accepted."

Godfather.

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

again I am truley sorry for my post if it offended you
as I have said it's not my place to judge you or anybody else brother and we don't need to discredit anothers beliefs to get a point across....I learned that here on the train.

Godfather.

Well I'll try to meet in the middle and say "apology accepted."

cool,thanks.

Godfather.

paysonites

Godfather. wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

it does make me happy. it means that we are finally pulling our heads out of our asses and allowing people to be equal in the eyes of the law regardless of sexual orientation. this is a big step in that movement, but i have no delusions and i know that there are many areas in this country, particularly in red states, where this fight will go on for potentially decades, just as the civil rights movement. good for the courageous politicians in new york that made history yesterday.

maybe teaching's like this are why.

Genesis 19:23 KJV

"The sun was risen upon the earth when Lot entered into Zoar. (24)Then the LORD rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven; (25) And he overthrew those cities, and all the plain, and all the inhabitants of the cities, and that which grew upon the ground. (26) But his wife looked back from behind him, and she became a pillar of salt."

it (gay thing) just goes aginst everything I believe but it's not up to me to judge you or anybody else.

Godfather.[/quo

Boxes&Books

Wilds wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

what if I worded my thoughts about gay's and their rights like this...corn hole c*ck sucker aids macines's are just ruining the natural progression of man kind ..

Godfather.

Now you have worded them that way. And don't even have to look like the person you passively try to pretend you are not.


Politely smiling while spewing hate and intolerance in the name of religion is the same to me as if you were just using the words you displayed in ().

But I'm sure you are a really 'good' person.


As to the topic at hand. (which you had to chime in on of course), Thank 'god' we are progressing and equal rights is still moving forward.

+1
:ugeek:

Boxes&Books

Great job NY.

:thumbup:

Jeanwah

I was watching Bill Maher last night when they broke for the great news. So psyched and finally proud to live in this state!!

Now my cousin and his boyfriend can get married without having to leave the state! I know he's celebrating right now.


Now on to medical marijuana legalization...