And this is really going to be the thin edge of the wedge.
I know it's just one victory on a very long road... but after having the carpet pulled out form under us so many times, it sure feels good to get one big one.
And seeing people SO engaged.
It wasn't like this when California passed it... Once we had it and it got voted away from us... the community really got engaged and our friends and families and allies all finally got focused on it.
My brother was the best man at my wedding... can't wait til I get to be the best man at his.
It really is a shame that this is still even an issue. I hope this has a domino effect on other states.
:thumbup:
Although I can just about guarantee that Texas will be the last. :oops: :-x
austin is simply an anomaly in that state.
any city who's motto is "keep austin weird" gets my vote. :P
i'll have to visit one day.
and yes norm, cali needs to step up...again!
it saddens me, this country supposedly founded on principles of individual freedoms....and how restrictive we are in too many ways in comparison to many other countries...
Believe me, when I was growin up, I thought the worst thing you could turn out to be was normal, So I say freaks in the most complementary way. Here's a song by a fellow freak - E.V
this is great news. proud to be an american today. :thumbup:
these are nowhere on the same scale in terms of importance, but another victory i would like to see one day is getting mixed martial arts sanctioned in new york....
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
this is great news. proud to be an american today. :thumbup:
these are nowhere on the same scale in terms of importance, but another victory i would like to see one day is getting mixed martial arts sanctioned in new york....
this is great news. proud to be an american today. :thumbup:
these are nowhere on the same scale in terms of importance, but another victory i would like to see one day is getting mixed martial arts sanctioned in new york....
OOoo... TWO reasons to go.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
it does make me happy. it means that we are finally pulling our heads out of our asses and allowing people to be equal in the eyes of the law regardless of sexual orientation. this is a big step in that movement, but i have no delusions and i know that there are many areas in this country, particularly in red states, where this fight will go on for potentially decades, just as the civil rights movement. good for the courageous politicians in new york that made history yesterday.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
sorry man I just can't wrap myself around that thought but if makes you all happy good for you.
Godfather.
I wish more people had this attitude!
Believe me, when I was growin up, I thought the worst thing you could turn out to be was normal, So I say freaks in the most complementary way. Here's a song by a fellow freak - E.V
it does make me happy. it means that we are finally pulling our heads out of our asses and allowing people to be equal in the eyes of the law regardless of sexual orientation. this is a big step in that movement, but i have no delusions and i know that there are many areas in this country, particularly in red states, where this fight will go on for potentially decades, just as the civil rights movement. good for the courageous politicians in new york that made history yesterday.
maybe teaching's like this are why.
Genesis 19:23 KJV
"The sun was risen upon the earth when Lot entered into Zoar. (24)Then the LORD rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven; (25) And he overthrew those cities, and all the plain, and all the inhabitants of the cities, and that which grew upon the ground. (26) But his wife looked back from behind him, and she became a pillar of salt."
it (gay thing) just goes aginst everything I believe but it's not up to me to judge you or anybody else.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
it does make me happy. it means that we are finally pulling our heads out of our asses and allowing people to be equal in the eyes of the law regardless of sexual orientation. this is a big step in that movement, but i have no delusions and i know that there are many areas in this country, particularly in red states, where this fight will go on for potentially decades, just as the civil rights movement. good for the courageous politicians in new york that made history yesterday.
maybe teaching's like this are why.
Genesis 19:23 KJV
"The sun was risen upon the earth when Lot entered into Zoar. (24)Then the LORD rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven; (25) And he overthrew those cities, and all the plain, and all the inhabitants of the cities, and that which grew upon the ground. (26) But his wife looked back from behind him, and she became a pillar of salt."
it (gay thing) just goes aginst everything I believe but it's not up to me to judge you or anybody else.
Godfather.
i am not gay. and i do not believe in fairy tales.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
it does make me happy. it means that we are finally pulling our heads out of our asses and allowing people to be equal in the eyes of the law regardless of sexual orientation. this is a big step in that movement, but i have no delusions and i know that there are many areas in this country, particularly in red states, where this fight will go on for potentially decades, just as the civil rights movement. good for the courageous politicians in new york that made history yesterday.
maybe teaching's like this are why.
Genesis 19:23 KJV
"The sun was risen upon the earth when Lot entered into Zoar. (24)Then the LORD rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven; (25) And he overthrew those cities, and all the plain, and all the inhabitants of the cities, and that which grew upon the ground. (26) But his wife looked back from behind him, and she became a pillar of salt."
it (gay thing) just goes aginst everything I believe but it's not up to me to judge you or anybody else.
Godfather.
Not being religious , I have a question. Didnt the sacrifice of that man mean that the teachings of the old testament were largely made null and void by his act? That going forward the one commandment is " love one another as you would love yourself"?
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
I met my husband 19 and a half years ago. About 6 months before my sister married her first husband.
We moved into a tiny one-room apartment in a warehouse in downtown Toronto. They moved into the house owned by his parents.
Nobody really acknowledged that we had moved in together. My sister and her first husband had a HUGE party thrown... days of celebrations and banquets and dinners and dances and people coming from five provinces for a big ceremony with a huge dress and tuxedos and people throwing rice and eating cake and drinking champaign.
(I was forced to endure the humiliation of being an usher where I had to sit in the front row while being subjected to a sermon about how it's not a "real marriage" unless there are children).
We had to go to discount and used stores to get dishes, a hot plate, a tiny bar fridge, a toaster oven and a tea kettle. They got LOTS AND LOTS of presents. Countless plate settings, two blenders, two microwave ovens, anything they could want to set up a house (although they didn't need it, they'd lived together for 2 years already and had everything so they sold that stuff and put it together with the envelopes of cash they got and went on vacation).
Carlo and I barely managed to get by. We were broke for years. My sister and her first husband complained loudly that "we only got 3 days of a honeymoon in Cape Breton Island."
My family did whatever they could to make our life awkward and difficult. We earned everything we got and worked hard for it all. My sister and her first husband got everything handed to them on a plate they registered at Macy's.
They divorced 4 years later, just like I predicted would happen at their wedding.
Fast forward to about 5 years ago. My sister, after countless flings, live-in boyfriends and dysfunctional relationships finally started to pop out babies with her latest man and after two kids they finally caved to pressure and got married. He's bi-polar, an alcoholic and within 6 months was having sex with other women in his drunken stupors.
Carlo and I have been together for 19 years. WE haven't been given gifts, parties, unwavering family support, tax breaks, special privileges (like a green card like her first husband got for marrying her) or a toaster oven. Or envelopes full of money.
We're together because we love each other and we've supported each other through all the changes we've been going through over the years.
They're now going through divorce proceedings (their first wedding anniversary is next month).
it does make me happy. it means that we are finally pulling our heads out of our asses and allowing people to be equal in the eyes of the law regardless of sexual orientation. this is a big step in that movement, but i have no delusions and i know that there are many areas in this country, particularly in red states, where this fight will go on for potentially decades, just as the civil rights movement. good for the courageous politicians in new york that made history yesterday.
maybe teaching's like this are why.
Genesis 19:23 KJV
"The sun was risen upon the earth when Lot entered into Zoar. (24)Then the LORD rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven; (25) And he overthrew those cities, and all the plain, and all the inhabitants of the cities, and that which grew upon the ground. (26) But his wife looked back from behind him, and she became a pillar of salt."
it (gay thing) just goes aginst everything I believe but it's not up to me to judge you or anybody else.
Godfather.
i am not gay. and i do not believe in fairy tales.
I know you're not I'm sorry if I made it read that way, I don't believe in fairy tales either, but how about if I posted my beliefs as you did or a few others have (fairy talea,white robed bearded guy in the sky and so on)
what if I worded my thoughts about gay's and their rights like this...corn hole c*ck sucker aids macines's are just ruining the natural progression of man kind ..how would that sit with you ?
if a man is gay it's no business of mine and not up to me to judge them I try and accept people for who they are or their hearts not who they sleep with what color they are or where they go to church or not...it's just not my place to judge anybody.
I met my husband 19 and a half years ago. About 6 months before my sister married her first husband.
We moved into a tiny one-room apartment in a warehouse in downtown Toronto. They moved into the house owned by his parents.
Nobody really acknowledged that we had moved in together. My sister and her first husband had a HUGE party thrown... days of celebrations and banquets and dinners and dances and people coming from five provinces for a big ceremony with a huge dress and tuxedos and people throwing rice and eating cake and drinking champaign.
(I was forced to endure the humiliation of being an usher where I had to sit in the front row while being subjected to a sermon about how it's not a "real marriage" unless there are children).
We had to go to discount and used stores to get dishes, a hot plate, a tiny bar fridge, a toaster oven and a tea kettle. They got LOTS AND LOTS of presents. Countless plate settings, two blenders, two microwave ovens, anything they could want to set up a house (although they didn't need it, they'd lived together for 2 years already and had everything so they sold that stuff and put it together with the envelopes of cash they got and went on vacation).
Carlo and I barely managed to get by. We were broke for years. My sister and her first husband complained loudly that "we only got 3 days of a honeymoon in Cape Breton Island."
My family did whatever they could to make our life awkward and difficult. We earned everything we got and worked hard for it all. My sister and her first husband got everything handed to them on a plate they registered at Macy's.
They divorced 4 years later, just like I predicted would happen at their wedding.
Fast forward to about 5 years ago. My sister, after countless flings, live-in boyfriends and dysfunctional relationships finally started to pop out babies with her latest man and after two kids they finally caved to pressure and got married. He's bi-polar, an alcoholic and within 6 months was having sex with other women in his drunken stupors.
Carlo and I have been together for 19 years. WE haven't been given gifts, parties, unwavering family support, tax breaks, special privileges (like a green card like her first husband got for marrying her) or a toaster oven. Or envelopes full of money.
We're together because we love each other and we've supported each other through all the changes we've been going through over the years.
They're now going through divorce proceedings (their first wedding anniversary is next month).
So tell me... who has the "real marriage?"
Brother don't kid your self your relationship with Carlo worked out because you two enjoy and love each other not because it's a gay marriage life is just funny that way some people marry and stay togeather for life and some don't.btw if my post to Gimmi offended you I apoligize honestly I was just trying to make a point about people discrediting another's beliefs with sarcasism's.anyway man if your happy that's great !
corn hole c*ck sucker aids macines's are just ruining the natural progression of man kind ..Godfather.
Well no... gay people are the worker bees of society. We're the teachers who can stay after class to help students, we're there to give care to parents in old age. We can give financial and emotional support. Nobody can deny our contributions to the arts...
Thanks for bringing up the AIDS epidemic. If we learned anything from that, it's that the gay community can pull together and be more altruistic and never lose their fun-loving sense of life.
But who's "ruining the natural progression of man kind?"
Well.. Christians who go out of their way to spit text written thousands of years ago and translated hundreds of times as a way to control others.
what if I worded my thoughts about gay's and their rights like this...corn hole c*ck sucker aids macines's are just ruining the natural progression of man kind ..
Godfather.
Now you have worded them that way. And don't even have to look like the person you passively try to pretend you are not.
Politely smiling while spewing hate and intolerance in the name of religion is the same to me as if you were just using the words you displayed in ().
But I'm sure you are a really 'good' person.
As to the topic at hand. (which you had to chime in on of course), Thank 'god' we are progressing and equal rights is still moving forward.
Brother don't kid your self your relationship with Carlo worked out because you two enjoy and love each other not because it's a gay marriage.
No, it's not because it's a "gay marriage." It's because it's a REAL marriage.
btw if my post to Gimmi offended you I apoligize
No, I think you're quite proud of that.
For the record, by the time I was 23 when I met my husband... I had been to the funerals of about 12 of my male friends who were around my age. My friends dropped dead about me and they hadn't done anything I didn't do too.
While this was happening, the general consensus was that us fags deserved it.
That's something that straight men will NEVER be able to fully comprehend... being a young adult and having their closest friends wither and die as you just... watch helplessly.
And I hope you never do have to know what that's like.
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i remember signing petitions, mailing postcards to local politicans. it's about damn time.
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
I know it's just one victory on a very long road... but after having the carpet pulled out form under us so many times, it sure feels good to get one big one.
And seeing people SO engaged.
It wasn't like this when California passed it... Once we had it and it got voted away from us... the community really got engaged and our friends and families and allies all finally got focused on it.
My brother was the best man at my wedding... can't wait til I get to be the best man at his.
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Congrats New York. It's a good day for freedom and equality. :thumbup:
show-off.
:P
:wave:
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
Although I can just about guarantee that Texas will be the last. :oops: :-x
austin is simply an anomaly in that state.
any city who's motto is "keep austin weird" gets my vote. :P
i'll have to visit one day.
and yes norm, cali needs to step up...again!
it saddens me, this country supposedly founded on principles of individual freedoms....and how restrictive we are in too many ways in comparison to many other countries...
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
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these are nowhere on the same scale in terms of importance, but another victory i would like to see one day is getting mixed martial arts sanctioned in new york....
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
OOoo... TWO reasons to go.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Godfather.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
maybe teaching's like this are why.
Genesis 19:23 KJV
"The sun was risen upon the earth when Lot entered into Zoar. (24)Then the LORD rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven; (25) And he overthrew those cities, and all the plain, and all the inhabitants of the cities, and that which grew upon the ground. (26) But his wife looked back from behind him, and she became a pillar of salt."
it (gay thing) just goes aginst everything I believe but it's not up to me to judge you or anybody else.
Godfather.
Hell norm and Deitris have you beat in a day!!!!
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
I met my husband 19 and a half years ago. About 6 months before my sister married her first husband.
We moved into a tiny one-room apartment in a warehouse in downtown Toronto. They moved into the house owned by his parents.
Nobody really acknowledged that we had moved in together. My sister and her first husband had a HUGE party thrown... days of celebrations and banquets and dinners and dances and people coming from five provinces for a big ceremony with a huge dress and tuxedos and people throwing rice and eating cake and drinking champaign.
(I was forced to endure the humiliation of being an usher where I had to sit in the front row while being subjected to a sermon about how it's not a "real marriage" unless there are children).
We had to go to discount and used stores to get dishes, a hot plate, a tiny bar fridge, a toaster oven and a tea kettle. They got LOTS AND LOTS of presents. Countless plate settings, two blenders, two microwave ovens, anything they could want to set up a house (although they didn't need it, they'd lived together for 2 years already and had everything so they sold that stuff and put it together with the envelopes of cash they got and went on vacation).
Carlo and I barely managed to get by. We were broke for years. My sister and her first husband complained loudly that "we only got 3 days of a honeymoon in Cape Breton Island."
My family did whatever they could to make our life awkward and difficult. We earned everything we got and worked hard for it all. My sister and her first husband got everything handed to them on a plate they registered at Macy's.
They divorced 4 years later, just like I predicted would happen at their wedding.
Fast forward to about 5 years ago. My sister, after countless flings, live-in boyfriends and dysfunctional relationships finally started to pop out babies with her latest man and after two kids they finally caved to pressure and got married. He's bi-polar, an alcoholic and within 6 months was having sex with other women in his drunken stupors.
Carlo and I have been together for 19 years. WE haven't been given gifts, parties, unwavering family support, tax breaks, special privileges (like a green card like her first husband got for marrying her) or a toaster oven. Or envelopes full of money.
We're together because we love each other and we've supported each other through all the changes we've been going through over the years.
They're now going through divorce proceedings (their first wedding anniversary is next month).
So tell me... who has the "real marriage?"
I know you're not I'm sorry if I made it read that way, I don't believe in fairy tales either, but how about if I posted my beliefs as you did or a few others have (fairy talea,white robed bearded guy in the sky and so on)
what if I worded my thoughts about gay's and their rights like this...corn hole c*ck sucker aids macines's are just ruining the natural progression of man kind ..how would that sit with you ?
if a man is gay it's no business of mine and not up to me to judge them I try and accept people for who they are or their hearts not who they sleep with what color they are or where they go to church or not...it's just not my place to judge anybody.
Godfather.
Brother don't kid your self your relationship with Carlo worked out because you two enjoy and love each other not because it's a gay marriage life is just funny that way some people marry and stay togeather for life and some don't.btw if my post to Gimmi offended you I apoligize honestly I was just trying to make a point about people discrediting another's beliefs with sarcasism's.anyway man if your happy that's great !
Godfather.
Well no... gay people are the worker bees of society. We're the teachers who can stay after class to help students, we're there to give care to parents in old age. We can give financial and emotional support. Nobody can deny our contributions to the arts...
Thanks for bringing up the AIDS epidemic. If we learned anything from that, it's that the gay community can pull together and be more altruistic and never lose their fun-loving sense of life.
But who's "ruining the natural progression of man kind?"
Well.. Christians who go out of their way to spit text written thousands of years ago and translated hundreds of times as a way to control others.
That's who.
Now you have worded them that way. And don't even have to look like the person you passively try to pretend you are not.
Politely smiling while spewing hate and intolerance in the name of religion is the same to me as if you were just using the words you displayed in ().
But I'm sure you are a really 'good' person.
As to the topic at hand. (which you had to chime in on of course), Thank 'god' we are progressing and equal rights is still moving forward.
No, it's not because it's a "gay marriage." It's because it's a REAL marriage.
No, I think you're quite proud of that.
For the record, by the time I was 23 when I met my husband... I had been to the funerals of about 12 of my male friends who were around my age. My friends dropped dead about me and they hadn't done anything I didn't do too.
While this was happening, the general consensus was that us fags deserved it.
That's something that straight men will NEVER be able to fully comprehend... being a young adult and having their closest friends wither and die as you just... watch helplessly.
And I hope you never do have to know what that's like.