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When Roy Halladay goes into the HoF ...

StoneAmentStoneAment Posts: 393
edited June 2011 in All Encompassing Trip
... do you think he'll go in as a Blue Jay or a Phillie?
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  • MrMerkinballMrMerkinball Posts: 1,978
    I think it will be a Jay, but it's not Roy's choice. He can request, but te hall eventually has the final say.
  • BLACK35BLACK35 Hanover, Ontario Posts: 22,845
    I hope a BlueJay :D
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  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 9,913
    Most likely a Blue Jay. If he's productive in Philly another 5-6 years, it might get tricky.
  • The FixerThe Fixer Posts: 12,837
    Depends if he wins a WS

    I don't know why people care about this stuff honestly
  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 9,913
    The Fixer wrote:
    Depends if he wins a WS

    I don't know why people care about this stuff honestly

    If you're a Blue Jays fan, it's still kind of a big deal. When Roberto Alomar goes in this year, he'll be the first player in the Hall wearing a Jays hat. Halladay would be the only other one on the horizon.
  • The FixerThe Fixer Posts: 12,837
    pjl44 wrote:
    The Fixer wrote:
    Depends if he wins a WS

    I don't know why people care about this stuff honestly

    If you're a Blue Jays fan, it's still kind of a big deal. When Roberto Alomar goes in this year, he'll be the first player in the Hall wearing a Jays hat. Halladay would be the only other one on the horizon.

    I just don't think it's a big deal. schilling played most of his career with the phils. If he gets into the HOF I could care less what hat he wears
  • 8181 Needing a ride to Forest Hills and a ounce of weed. Please inquire within. Thanks. Or not. Posts: 58,276
    The Fixer wrote:
    pjl44 wrote:
    The Fixer wrote:
    Depends if he wins a WS

    I don't know why people care about this stuff honestly

    If you're a Blue Jays fan, it's still kind of a big deal. When Roberto Alomar goes in this year, he'll be the first player in the Hall wearing a Jays hat. Halladay would be the only other one on the horizon.

    I just don't think it's a big deal. schilling played most of his career with the phils. If he gets into the HOF I could care less what hat he wears
    some players care....Dawson wanted to go in as a cub, but the hof said, sorry charlie, you are an extint expo

    i think players should get to choose, but the HOF is worried about money. :roll:
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  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 33,938
    The 81 wrote:
    some players care....Dawson wanted to go in as a cub, but the hof said, sorry charlie, you are an extint expo

    i think players should get to choose, but the HOF is worried about money. :roll:

    I think the Hall took the decision over when Boggs got a decent contract from the Rays so he would wear their hat in the HOF.
  • Johnny AbruzzoJohnny Abruzzo Philly Posts: 11,913
    Is it where they played the most years?

    I think at this point it is still "if" he goes into the HoF. But he's getting close.
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  • 8181 Needing a ride to Forest Hills and a ounce of weed. Please inquire within. Thanks. Or not. Posts: 58,276
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    The 81 wrote:
    some players care....Dawson wanted to go in as a cub, but the hof said, sorry charlie, you are an extint expo

    i think players should get to choose, but the HOF is worried about money. :roll:

    I think the Hall took the decision over when Boggs got a decent contract from the Rays so he would wear their hat in the HOF.

    i can see their point in regards to Boggs....maybe it should be the player chooses and the HOF reviews....
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  • Jearlpam0925Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,252
    Of course he'll be a Blue Jay.
  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    I think the player should decide!

    In the case if roy halladay - this is doubly so!

    Go get a ring roy!!
  • StoneAmentStoneAment Posts: 393
    Johnny Abruzzo wrote:
    I think at this point it is still "if" he goes into the HoF. But he's getting close.

    "If"???? No, I'm sticking with "when". Admittedly he didn't get as much attention whilst he was a Jay, no one looks at a losing team, but Roy has been one of the league's premier pitchers for a decade. So while the team hasn't done so well his personal performance has always been HoF worthy.
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  • 8181 Needing a ride to Forest Hills and a ounce of weed. Please inquire within. Thanks. Or not. Posts: 58,276
    imo, it's way to early to make the call on the team. i do believe he will be there someday tho.

    assuming he sticks around in philly for a decade and continues to put up the numbers AND wins a title or two, i think he would go in as a Phillie.

    if he only pitches a few years in Philly, than moves on to anouther team or two, than i would say toronto.
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  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 9,913
    The 81 wrote:
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    The 81 wrote:
    some players care....Dawson wanted to go in as a cub, but the hof said, sorry charlie, you are an extint expo

    i think players should get to choose, but the HOF is worried about money. :roll:

    I think the Hall took the decision over when Boggs got a decent contract from the Rays so he would wear their hat in the HOF.

    i can see their point in regards to Boggs....maybe it should be the player chooses and the HOF reviews....

    Yeah, you can thank Boggs for that. I would HOPE that the player has some input behind the scenes. Would be a shame if it's entirely dictated by the HOF.
  • SPEEDY MCCREADYSPEEDY MCCREADY Posts: 25,820
    If Ron Guidry cant make the Hall of Fame....

    Then Roy Halladay shouldnt be there either.......
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  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 33,938
    SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:
    If Ron Guidry cant make the Hall of Fame....

    Then Roy Halladay shouldnt be there either.......

    Their stats are incredibly similar with Halladay edging him slightly in most categories. Halladay will pitch quite a bit longer than Guidry did though.
  • Solat13Solat13 Posts: 6,996
    Halladay has a while to go to get into the Hall, but the fact that unless the wins discrepancy gets a lot closer it than the current 148 in Toronto to 30 in Philly, he could win the world series the next three years and he'd still go in as a Blue Jay.

    A better question is what happens with Randy Johnson:

    parts of ten years and 130-74 with Seattle
    6 years and 103-49 with a WS ring in Arizona

    Which way will the HOF rule there?
    - Busted down the pretext
    - 8/28/98
    - 9/2/00
    - 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
    - 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
    - 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
    - 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
    - 8/2/07, 8/5/07
    - 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
    - 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
    - 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
    - 9/11/11, 9/12/11
    - 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 33,938
    Solat13 wrote:
    Halladay has a while to go to get into the Hall, but the fact that unless the wins discrepancy gets a lot closer it than the current 148 in Toronto to 30 in Philly, he could win the world series the next three years and he'd still go in as a Blue Jay.

    A better question is what happens with Randy Johnson:

    parts of ten years and 130-74 with Seattle
    6 years and 103-49 with a WS ring in Arizona

    Which way will the HOF rule there?

    Gotta be Seattle.
  • Solat13Solat13 Posts: 6,996
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    Solat13 wrote:
    Halladay has a while to go to get into the Hall, but the fact that unless the wins discrepancy gets a lot closer it than the current 148 in Toronto to 30 in Philly, he could win the world series the next three years and he'd still go in as a Blue Jay.

    A better question is what happens with Randy Johnson:

    parts of ten years and 130-74 with Seattle
    6 years and 103-49 with a WS ring in Arizona

    Which way will the HOF rule there?

    Gotta be Seattle.

    I forgot to put this in: 1Cy with Seattle and 4 with Arizona.
    - Busted down the pretext
    - 8/28/98
    - 9/2/00
    - 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
    - 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
    - 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
    - 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
    - 8/2/07, 8/5/07
    - 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
    - 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
    - 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
    - 9/11/11, 9/12/11
    - 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
  • SPEEDY MCCREADYSPEEDY MCCREADY Posts: 25,820
    Bruce Sutter is a Hall Of famer???
    And Lee Smith isnt????

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  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 33,938
    Solat13 wrote:
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    Solat13 wrote:
    Halladay has a while to go to get into the Hall, but the fact that unless the wins discrepancy gets a lot closer it than the current 148 in Toronto to 30 in Philly, he could win the world series the next three years and he'd still go in as a Blue Jay.

    A better question is what happens with Randy Johnson:

    parts of ten years and 130-74 with Seattle
    6 years and 103-49 with a WS ring in Arizona

    Which way will the HOF rule there?

    Gotta be Seattle.

    I forgot to put this in: 1Cy with Seattle and 4 with Arizona.

    Still, I think the general rule should be when you think of the player what is the first team that pops into your mind. Seattle is the obvious answer to that question for me.
  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 9,913
    SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:
    If Ron Guidry cant make the Hall of Fame....

    Then Roy Halladay shouldnt be there either.......

    Wow...great call. Had no idea how close their numbers were. Only significant edge you could give to Halladay would be ERA+ (adjusted to league/ballpark). Really underscores that he probably needs another 3-4 dominant seasons.
  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 9,913
    SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:
    Bruce Sutter is a Hall Of famer???
    And Lee Smith isnt????

    I love talking Baseball Hall Of Fame.....

    Yup...and neither one should be.
  • Solat13Solat13 Posts: 6,996
    Cliffy6745 wrote:

    Still, I think the general rule should be when you think of the player what is the first team that pops into your mind. Seattle is the obvious answer to that question for me.

    I think it's Seattle too, but it's definitely a compelling argument to make him the first Dback. Though those uniforms are awful.
    - Busted down the pretext
    - 8/28/98
    - 9/2/00
    - 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
    - 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
    - 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
    - 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
    - 8/2/07, 8/5/07
    - 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
    - 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
    - 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
    - 9/11/11, 9/12/11
    - 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 33,938
    pjl44 wrote:
    SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:
    If Ron Guidry cant make the Hall of Fame....

    Then Roy Halladay shouldnt be there either.......

    Wow...great call. Had no idea how close their numbers were. Only significant edge you could give to Halladay would be ERA+ (adjusted to league/ballpark). Really underscores that he probably needs another 3-4 dominant seasons.

    Agreed, I was shocked when I looked up their numbers, almost identical.
  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 9,913
    Solat13 wrote:
    Halladay has a while to go to get into the Hall, but the fact that unless the wins discrepancy gets a lot closer it than the current 148 in Toronto to 30 in Philly, he could win the world series the next three years and he'd still go in as a Blue Jay.

    A better question is what happens with Randy Johnson:

    parts of ten years and 130-74 with Seattle
    6 years and 103-49 with a WS ring in Arizona

    Which way will the HOF rule there?

    Yeah...gotta think Seattle, but it would be hard to argue either one.
  • jamminpearlsjamminpearls Posts: 7,078
    The Fixer wrote:
    Depends if he wins a WS

    I don't know why people care about this stuff honestly
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  • SPEEDY MCCREADYSPEEDY MCCREADY Posts: 25,820
    And when Bonds, Mcguire, Sosa, and Palmeiro were juicing it up....

    This guy was probably clean....right???

    But he will Never see the Hall Of Fame....
    When realistically....He should/could have been a 1st ballot hall Of Famer.....



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  • Solat13Solat13 Posts: 6,996
    SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:
    And when Bonds, Mcguire, Sosa, and Palmeiro were juicing it up....

    This guy was probably clean....right???

    But he will Never see the Hall Of Fame....
    When realistically....He should/could have been a 1st ballot hall Of Famer.....



    http://www.baseball-reference.com/playe ... fr01.shtml


    Especially if you assume he would have hit at least 7 homers to get him over 500 during the last 54 games baseball missed over the 94 strike and the first 20 games of 95.
    - Busted down the pretext
    - 8/28/98
    - 9/2/00
    - 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
    - 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
    - 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
    - 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
    - 8/2/07, 8/5/07
    - 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
    - 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
    - 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
    - 9/11/11, 9/12/11
    - 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
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