ONCE UPON A TIME, fan club tickets were sold via postcard. Everyone got to go to at least one show per tour, seats were always good, and no one got scammed. THE END.
What would the postcard system really accomplish? The website wouldn't crash, but then you'd have to wait several weeks to find out if you got tickets.
I'm quite confident when I say that i'm sure that many companies use programs to hog the site's resources for their own good when they buy tickets. However, a postcard system really wouldn't do much to defeat this, as you'd have people send in 1500 postcards as part of their reseller's company, essentially doing the same thing as the bots.
Here's how you do it: You open the presale to the first 15,000 member numbers. They have 24 hours to buy tickets. After that, you open the door to the next 15,000 with another 24 hours. If your number is 13,399 then you can still buy tickets in the second 24 hours.
And so on and so forth. Every 24 hours, the door gets opened a little bit wider. If the site can handle the traffic, then the next tour, increase it to the first 25,000 or 30,000 numbers.
My number is 279,XXX. HOWEVER.. not everyone "in front" of me is still active. Therefore, my "real" number is quite lower. And as I keep on renewing, my "real" number gets lower and lower.
So, the presale may start on the first of the month, and the door may be opened to me on the 10th of the month, but i'd still have a good chance since there's really not 279,000 people in front of me.
But finally, the most important?
Insert a damn captcha. Yeah, they suck, but they're hard to program bots around. Most people won't program a bot to work around a captcha.
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What would the postcard system really accomplish? The website wouldn't crash, but then you'd have to wait several weeks to find out if you got tickets.
I'm quite confident when I say that i'm sure that many companies use programs to hog the site's resources for their own good when they buy tickets. However, a postcard system really wouldn't do much to defeat this, as you'd have people send in 1500 postcards as part of their reseller's company, essentially doing the same thing as the bots.
Here's how you do it: You open the presale to the first 15,000 member numbers. They have 24 hours to buy tickets. After that, you open the door to the next 15,000 with another 24 hours. If your number is 13,399 then you can still buy tickets in the second 24 hours.
And so on and so forth. Every 24 hours, the door gets opened a little bit wider. If the site can handle the traffic, then the next tour, increase it to the first 25,000 or 30,000 numbers.
My number is 279,XXX. HOWEVER.. not everyone "in front" of me is still active. Therefore, my "real" number is quite lower. And as I keep on renewing, my "real" number gets lower and lower.
So, the presale may start on the first of the month, and the door may be opened to me on the 10th of the month, but i'd still have a good chance since there's really not 279,000 people in front of me.
But finally, the most important?
Insert a damn captcha. Yeah, they suck, but they're hard to program bots around. Most people won't program a bot to work around a captcha.
However, a postcard system really wouldn't do much to defeat this, as you'd have people send in 1500 postcards as part of their reseller's company, essentially doing the same thing as the bots.
I'm guessing you weren't in the 10C back then - we didn't send in postcards. A postcard, which was essentially an order form, was mailed to active members of 10C. You got to order 10C tickets to ONE show per tour. Never heard of anybody getting shut out of a show back then.
Back in '00, I pre-ordered 10C tix for Vegas, and still managed to get TM tix for San Diego the day of the show. I just think it's more fair if everyone gets a pair of tickets to one show per tour through the club, giving everyone a better chance to see at least one show, with decent seating - then if you wanted to go to more than one show, you'd have to buy the others like the general public.
I like the idea of more people at fewer shows, then fewer people at more shows...but then again, I'm also a communist. :shock:
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However, a postcard system really wouldn't do much to defeat this, as you'd have people send in 1500 postcards as part of their reseller's company, essentially doing the same thing as the bots.
I'm guessing you weren't in the 10C back then - we didn't send in postcards. A postcard, which was essentially an order form, was mailed to active members of 10C. You got to order 10C tickets to ONE show per tour. Never heard of anybody getting shut out of a show back then.
Back in '00, I pre-ordered 10C tix for Vegas, and still managed to get TM tix for San Diego the day of the show. I just think it's more fair if everyone gets a pair of tickets to one show per tour through the club, giving everyone a better chance to see at least one show, with decent seating - then if you wanted to go to more than one show, you'd have to buy the others like the general public.
I like the idea of more people at fewer shows, then fewer people at more shows...but then again, I'm also a communist. :shock:
OK...well your PJ ticketing system is communist. Such a system. I do remember it and it was awesome!!!
Buy from a tout and you run the risk of being scammed. I don't know why people do it.
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Struck out on 10C and Ticketmaster Tickets for Ed at The Beacon Theatre. Found somebody on Craigslist to sell me a Ticket for the 21st. Met her outside the Beacon at 8:00. Turns out she fucked up and the Ticket was for the 22nd. Bought it anyway cause I needed one for the 22nd too. So at this point it's 8:10 and I still didn't have a Ticket for the 21st. Quickly checked Ticket Brokers from my iPhone but when I'd go to purchase a Ticket the sale wouldn't go through. Called them (about 4-5 different brokers) and was told there were no Tickets available even though there were Tickets listed on their web sites. Now it 8:35 or so and it's desperation time. Talked a scalper down from $350 to $300 for an Upper Balcony Ticket. I was $300 poorer but I had a Ticket so I was happy. Smoked a butt and made my way into The Beacon. Got patted down and walked up to the girl who scans the Tickets. FAKE!! SON OF A BITCH!! Ticket looked so real. Compared it to my Ticket for the 22nd and there's no way anybody would be able to tell that it was a fake. Begged and pleaded with them to let me in but there was no way they were letting me in. Now it's 8:45ish and I'm back to square one minus $450 ($150 for the 22nd Ticket, and $300 for the fake from the asshole scalper). Hung out outside The Beacon praying for a late arriver to have an extra. 9:25 and somebody finally had one but in my fucked up state of mind I forgot I had virtually no more cash on me and he wouldn't wait for me to go to an ATM (don't blame him) and he sold it to somebody else. Guess it wasn't meant for me to be at that show. Was so pissed I walked the 30 blocks to Penn Station to go home. I know, I know, buyer be ware but we do crazy things when we're desperate and not thinking clearly.
we do crazy things when we're desperate and not thinking clearly.
To the OP and to anyone else that has ticket issues and has used stubhub-ebay-paypal...
DEMAND TO SPEAK WITH THE VENUE MANAGER!!!! There is ALWAYS someone in charge at the venue! Talk with them about the situation, get their name and direct phone number.. explain that you will be calling stubhub in the morning and they might want to see the ticket or speak to someone to verify that it was indeed fake.
If you buy off the street from some random person, try not to be alone! If there are 2+ in your group, buy the ticket and make the scalper wait with your friend until you're safely inside the venue. Beg a big stranger to watch your back if you're by yourself.
However, a postcard system really wouldn't do much to defeat this, as you'd have people send in 1500 postcards as part of their reseller's company, essentially doing the same thing as the bots.
I'm guessing you weren't in the 10C back then - we didn't send in postcards. A postcard, which was essentially an order form, was mailed to active members of 10C. You got to order 10C tickets to ONE show per tour. Never heard of anybody getting shut out of a show back then.
Back in '00, I pre-ordered 10C tix for Vegas, and still managed to get TM tix for San Diego the day of the show. I just think it's more fair if everyone gets a pair of tickets to one show per tour through the club, giving everyone a better chance to see at least one show, with decent seating - then if you wanted to go to more than one show, you'd have to buy the others like the general public.
I like the idea of more people at fewer shows, then fewer people at more shows...but then again, I'm also a communist. :shock:
You could only get tickets to one show per member on this tour. So now what?
Reading these posts makes me so nervous, I could puke. Day 2 chicago tickets sold out in like 2 seconds, so I wasnt able to get them from tenclub. I resorted to stubhub. If I dont get in, I'll be the chick crying on the curb outside the theatre. Someone come give me a hug.
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we do crazy things when we're desperate and not thinking clearly.
To the OP and to anyone else that has ticket issues and has used stubhub-ebay-paypal...
DEMAND TO SPEAK WITH THE VENUE MANAGER!!!! There is ALWAYS someone in charge at the venue! Talk with them about the situation, get their name and direct phone number.. explain that you will be calling stubhub in the morning and they might want to see the ticket or speak to someone to verify that it was indeed fake.
If you buy off the street from some random person, try not to be alone! If there are 2+ in your group, buy the ticket and make the scalper wait with your friend until you're safely inside the venue. Beg a big stranger to watch your back if you're by yourself.
Great advice. worried when I get game tix outside a venue. But I think sporting events during the season are less likely to be faked.
Reading these posts makes me so nervous, I could puke. Day 2 chicago tickets sold out in like 2 seconds, so I wasnt able to get them from tenclub. I resorted to stubhub. If I dont get in, I'll be the chick crying on the curb outside the theatre. Someone come give me a hug.
If you bought them from Stubhub, at least you have a level of protection. Check out the info on the first page of this thread, have their 800 number and your order details handy just in case, and do everything you can to hold onto the tickets. You're in a far better spot than someone who bought them off Craigslist.
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I'm quite confident when I say that i'm sure that many companies use programs to hog the site's resources for their own good when they buy tickets. However, a postcard system really wouldn't do much to defeat this, as you'd have people send in 1500 postcards as part of their reseller's company, essentially doing the same thing as the bots.
Here's how you do it: You open the presale to the first 15,000 member numbers. They have 24 hours to buy tickets. After that, you open the door to the next 15,000 with another 24 hours. If your number is 13,399 then you can still buy tickets in the second 24 hours.
And so on and so forth. Every 24 hours, the door gets opened a little bit wider. If the site can handle the traffic, then the next tour, increase it to the first 25,000 or 30,000 numbers.
My number is 279,XXX. HOWEVER.. not everyone "in front" of me is still active. Therefore, my "real" number is quite lower. And as I keep on renewing, my "real" number gets lower and lower.
So, the presale may start on the first of the month, and the door may be opened to me on the 10th of the month, but i'd still have a good chance since there's really not 279,000 people in front of me.
But finally, the most important?
Insert a damn captcha. Yeah, they suck, but they're hard to program bots around. Most people won't program a bot to work around a captcha.
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I'm guessing you weren't in the 10C back then - we didn't send in postcards. A postcard, which was essentially an order form, was mailed to active members of 10C. You got to order 10C tickets to ONE show per tour. Never heard of anybody getting shut out of a show back then.
Back in '00, I pre-ordered 10C tix for Vegas, and still managed to get TM tix for San Diego the day of the show. I just think it's more fair if everyone gets a pair of tickets to one show per tour through the club, giving everyone a better chance to see at least one show, with decent seating - then if you wanted to go to more than one show, you'd have to buy the others like the general public.
I like the idea of more people at fewer shows, then fewer people at more shows...but then again, I'm also a communist. :shock:
OK...well your PJ ticketing system is communist. Such a system. I do remember it and it was awesome!!!
2006: Dublin; Leeds; Arnhem
2007: London
2009: Manchester
2012: Manchester I & II : EV Manchester : Soundgarden Shepherds Bush
2013: Brad Manchester : Soundgarden Manchester
2014: Amsterdam I & II; Berlin; Leeds; Milton Keynes
2018: Berlin; London II; Boston II
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To the OP and to anyone else that has ticket issues and has used stubhub-ebay-paypal...
DEMAND TO SPEAK WITH THE VENUE MANAGER!!!! There is ALWAYS someone in charge at the venue! Talk with them about the situation, get their name and direct phone number.. explain that you will be calling stubhub in the morning and they might want to see the ticket or speak to someone to verify that it was indeed fake.
If you buy off the street from some random person, try not to be alone! If there are 2+ in your group, buy the ticket and make the scalper wait with your friend until you're safely inside the venue. Beg a big stranger to watch your back if you're by yourself.
he has the link for the tickets anyway that shouldn't matter
You could only get tickets to one show per member on this tour. So now what?
Great advice. worried when I get game tix outside a venue. But I think sporting events during the season are less likely to be faked.
If you bought them from Stubhub, at least you have a level of protection. Check out the info on the first page of this thread, have their 800 number and your order details handy just in case, and do everything you can to hold onto the tickets. You're in a far better spot than someone who bought them off Craigslist.