but, as I suspected, saying that thousands are going to lose their healthcare as a certainty isn't true...some "fear" that...same thing was said when GAMC ended in minnesota in its current form and things have worked out ok. If you have ever sat in on any government policy meetings you will know that people have a fear of the worst in no matter what the topic...
A few years ago, the Red Door Clinic in minneapolis was forced to move to a new location....you would have thought the entire world was ending by the way people reacted. The new space, a brand new clinic built specifically to expand their services, is utilized to the fullest and has worked out great...I can tell you that most people don't even remember how difficult they were before the move. A simple anecdote of my personal experience isn't enough to convince you that things probably won't get that bad, but the huffington post makes it sound like 57,000 people will simply lose their health care...that isn't the case...and they didn't make cancer screening illegal...again an overstatement to make things sound worse than they are.
I think we can all agree that healthcare is fucked up in this country, what we don't agree on is the solution...Personally I think the only way to change it is to get rid of health insurance in general and go with a single payor system, but you cannot get there without eliminating a HUGE portion of the economy, so quick steps probably shouldn't be taken...in the mean time unfortunately we have people who need help caught in the middle of a partisan argument.
that’s right! Can’t we all just get together and focus on our real enemies: monogamous gays and stem cells… - Ned Flanders
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
Well, to P.O.D., you seem very set in your preconceived notions and depictions of certain groups and demographics so I guess it doesn't make sense to debate any further. My advice is to be more open-minded in the future.
Personally I think the only way to change it is to get rid of health insurance in general and go with a single payor system, but you cannot get there without eliminating a HUGE portion of the economy, so quick steps probably shouldn't be taken...in the mean time unfortunately we have people who need help caught in the middle of a partisan argument.
OK I agree with that.
But I can assure you that targeting women's health, closing Planned Parenthood and -probably- ending cancer screenings for a lot of people isn't the first step on the way to Wisconsin going with a single-payer health care system.
I don't believe that Somalia follows these three core mantras of the Tea Party:
Fiscal Responsibility
Constitutionally Limited Government
Free Markets
I know those are some pretty far-right extremist ideas, but take them for what you will.
Ok but even the tea party doesn't really want that.
Fiscal responsibility? Since when? They support tax breaks for billionaires, wars we can't afford...
Limited government? Hardly. forcing rape victims to look at ultra sounds of their fetuses, forcing gay couples into a second class citizen status, trying to mandate schools teach bible fairy tales...
Free markets? Few even know what that means. "free" sounds like such a great word. But what it's going to mean isn't what they think they'll get.
That's the far-left depiction of the Tea Party's goals.
That is the biggest challenge that Democrats face in taking down the Tea Party ... there is no official leadership, just three core ideas. There are politicians who have tried to herd demographics of the tea party for their political advantage, but they are not figureheads. It drives liberal leadership nuts that the Tea Party is truly a large grass roots organization so their strategy is to label everyone as a white, dumb, and racist. Perhaps a better goal would have been to reach out and try to appeal to the group in the early stages. Too late now.
In regards to fiscal responsibility, that to do with more responsible spending and budgeting (versus generating more money via the common citizen to cover irresponsible spending and budgeting). The Tea Party does support giving billionaires tax breaks. It also supports giving the middle class and poor tax breaks as well.
Also, abortion, gay rights, and other social issues are not on the true Tea Party agenda.
If any leader of the tea party has outlined where they'd like to cut the budget (which programs and how much would be saved), where they'd cut taxes, and how that would affect revenue I'd like to see it. Is there a link?
As requested. Though I don't believe this touches on tax cuts.
If they don't personally gain from it, they're going to stop it at any costs... take gay marriage just as an example... it helps people other than them... has zero impact on them personally.. but most are donating money to stop it. .
I mean, I hear Republicans saying their core values are "equality for all" and even the most conservative people will say things like "I'm very live and let live."
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/2 ... 81504.html
thanks
but, as I suspected, saying that thousands are going to lose their healthcare as a certainty isn't true...some "fear" that...same thing was said when GAMC ended in minnesota in its current form and things have worked out ok. If you have ever sat in on any government policy meetings you will know that people have a fear of the worst in no matter what the topic...
A few years ago, the Red Door Clinic in minneapolis was forced to move to a new location....you would have thought the entire world was ending by the way people reacted. The new space, a brand new clinic built specifically to expand their services, is utilized to the fullest and has worked out great...I can tell you that most people don't even remember how difficult they were before the move. A simple anecdote of my personal experience isn't enough to convince you that things probably won't get that bad, but the huffington post makes it sound like 57,000 people will simply lose their health care...that isn't the case...and they didn't make cancer screening illegal...again an overstatement to make things sound worse than they are.
I think we can all agree that healthcare is fucked up in this country, what we don't agree on is the solution...Personally I think the only way to change it is to get rid of health insurance in general and go with a single payor system, but you cannot get there without eliminating a HUGE portion of the economy, so quick steps probably shouldn't be taken...in the mean time unfortunately we have people who need help caught in the middle of a partisan argument.
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
OK I agree with that.
But I can assure you that targeting women's health, closing Planned Parenthood and -probably- ending cancer screenings for a lot of people isn't the first step on the way to Wisconsin going with a single-payer health care system.
THIS.
that.. viewtopic.php?f=13&t=161390&start=30#p3732527
As requested. Though I don't believe this touches on tax cuts.
campaignforliberty.com/materials/RandBudget.pdf
I thought libertarians are socially liberal?
Doesn't everyone say they are?
I mean, I hear Republicans saying their core values are "equality for all" and even the most conservative people will say things like "I'm very live and let live."