The thinking atheist

Digital TwilightDigital Twilight Posts: 5,642
edited June 2011 in A Moving Train
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_J4ZuHEY ... r_embedded

I'm not interested in 'bible bashing' I just thought this was good video that makes some decent points. It must be difficult for people who grew up in a devout religious household when you yourself don't believe.
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  • territamuterritamu Posts: 194
    That is a good video. Thanks for posting it. I have a few friends who could benefit from seeing that video.
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  • AkshardhamAkshardham Posts: 49
    atheism... just another ism.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_religions

    don't throw out so much wisdom from old ages based on bad experience with one. just explore and see where life leads you. follow your own convictions and keep an open mind and heart in this life.








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  • i've become increasingly convinced, as i get older, that Atheism is just as dumb, if not dumber, than most other "religions".

    I don't believe in a "personal" god, dressed in a white robe, with a resplendent flowing mane, and a wooden staff in his hand ... but i'm not prepared to throw the baby jesus out with the holy water yet, either.

    There are lots of reasons to think and suspect that there is cosmic intelligence at play in the universe, and I'm keen on the notion that "consciousness" is something that "lives" outside of the human form, just as much as in it. That deity is something that is present at all levels of creation as a form of consciousness, and that it exists in the macrocosm as an overriding force that "guides" all.

    Yeah. I know there is no proof.
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  • know1know1 Posts: 6,794
    Thread title is an oxymoron.

    I think athiest = large ego.
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • markin ballmarkin ball Posts: 1,075
    know1 wrote:
    Thread title is an oxymoron.

    I think athiest = large ego.

    How so?
    "First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win ."

    "With our thoughts we make the world"
  • arqarq Posts: 8,049
    know1 wrote:
    Thread title is an oxymoron.

    I think Christian = large ego.

    FTFY
    "The good thing about science is that it's true whether or not you believe in it"
    Neil deGrasse Tyson

    Why not (V) (°,,,,°) (V) ?
  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,436
    Interesting that this was posted on Sunday!

    Personally, I'm not big on religion. Belief in mystery makes more sense to me. My own faith is based on the idea that there is something mysterious about life and the universe and everything but as soon as you try to define God, your god is too small (there is actually a book about that called Your God is Too Small by J B Phillips). Religions have been responsible for too many wars, too much suffering. Simple faith kept humble and personal is much more sensible.

    Best of all is Ilona Ann Coggswater's entreaty: "Be kind".
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  • know1 wrote:
    Thread title is an oxymoron.

    I think athiest = large ego.


    Odd. I've always felt that anyone who believes in any religion must have a huge ego to think they're so special that God created them and this world for them and that they're not just some biological accident that put us here via evolution.

    To me, an atheist would be more of a humble person.

    And it always seems to be the ones who bash people over the heads with their bibles who think a bit too much of themselves.
  • ParachuteParachute Posts: 409
    know1 wrote:
    Thread title is an oxymoron.

    I think athiest = large ego.


    Odd. I've always felt that anyone who believes in any religion must have a huge ego to think they're so special that God created them and this world for them and that they're not just some biological accident that put us here via evolution.

    To me, an atheist would be more of a humble person.

    And it always seems to be the ones who bash people over the heads with their bibles who think a bit too much of themselves.

    God made me in His image, just like you. In that sense you and I are special.

    He knew you would deny Him, but He loves you anyway, and will forgive you... All you have to do is ask.

    No matter what happens to me in this life- its gonna be all good in the end... and the end comes to us all.

    Peace, friend.
  • arqarq Posts: 8,049
    Parachute wrote:
    God made me in His image, just like you. In that sense you and I are special.

    He knew you would deny Him, but He loves you anyway, and will forgive you... All you have to do is ask.

    No matter what happens to me in this life- its gonna be all good in the end... and the end comes to us all.

    Peace, friend.

    That is a awful god you're talking about, if him/her/it can see the future and knows my answer even before I make it and still choose to create me to go to a place of eternal suffering is nothing less than a monster.

    Christian = large ego
    "The good thing about science is that it's true whether or not you believe in it"
    Neil deGrasse Tyson

    Why not (V) (°,,,,°) (V) ?
  • Parachute wrote:
    God made me in His image,


    No. Biology made you in your present image via evolution. You share about 99% of the same genes with other primates. We're all from that same line.

    We made God in OUR image. Mind you, we did that way back when we wore white robes and long beards.

    But you know... styles change.
  • arqarq Posts: 8,049
    We made God in OUR image.


    And is quite awful! :twisted:
    "The good thing about science is that it's true whether or not you believe in it"
    Neil deGrasse Tyson

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  • Brisk.Brisk. Posts: 11,561
    arq wrote:
    We made God in OUR image.


    And is quite awful! :twisted:

    Religion is just pure fail, especially christianity and islam.

    Richard Dawkins is the man!!

    Charles Darwin had the balls to ask!
  • arqarq Posts: 8,049
    Brisk. wrote:
    Richard Dawkins is the man!!
    "The good thing about science is that it's true whether or not you believe in it"
    Neil deGrasse Tyson

    Why not (V) (°,,,,°) (V) ?
  • aerialaerial Posts: 2,319
    arq wrote:
    Parachute wrote:
    God made me in His image, just like you. In that sense you and I are special.

    He knew you would deny Him, but He loves you anyway, and will forgive you... All you have to do is ask.

    No matter what happens to me in this life- its gonna be all good in the end... and the end comes to us all.

    Peace, friend.

    That is a awful god you're talking about, if him/her/it can see the future and knows my answer even before I make it and still choose to create me to go to a place of eternal suffering is nothing less than a monster.

    Christian = large ego


    God gave us free will. So it would be your choice were you want to go.
    “We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
  • arqarq Posts: 8,049
    aerial wrote:
    God gave us free will. So it would be your choice were you want to go.

    There's no free will in god's logic if he knows past present and future.
    "The good thing about science is that it's true whether or not you believe in it"
    Neil deGrasse Tyson

    Why not (V) (°,,,,°) (V) ?
  • ParachuteParachute Posts: 409
    arq wrote:
    Parachute wrote:
    God made me in His image, just like you. In that sense you and I are special.

    He knew you would deny Him, but He loves you anyway, and will forgive you... All you have to do is ask.

    No matter what happens to me in this life- its gonna be all good in the end... and the end comes to us all.

    Peace, friend.

    That is a awful god you're talking about, if him/her/it can see the future and knows my answer even before I make it and still choose to create me to go to a place of eternal suffering is nothing less than a monster.

    Christian = large ego

    He gave you free will. It's up to you. If you don't believe, that's fine, but then why take the time to post- other than to put down someone's religion. You should go to Iran and try that. You'd get stoned. And not in a good way! :mrgreen:
  • ParachuteParachute Posts: 409
    edited June 2011
    Parachute wrote:
    God made me in His image,


    No. Biology made you in your present image via evolution. You share about 99% of the same genes with other primates. We're all from that same line.

    We made God in OUR image. Mind you, we did that way back when we wore white robes and long beards.

    But you know... styles change.


    I agree w/ the rational part, not the weird part- (I'm a chick, not an old man w/ a beard).
    I do believe in evolution, I just think it's devine.

    What an amazing, intricate plan!

    God rocks!
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  • Brisk.Brisk. Posts: 11,561
    By the way, there isn't such thing as total freewill as Sam Harris explains...

    "The physiologist Benjamin Libet famously demonstrated that activity in the brain's motor regions can be detected some 300 milliseconds before a person feels that he has decided to move. Another lab recently used fMRI data to show that some "conscious" decisions can be predicted up to 10 seconds before they enter awareness (long before the preparatory motor activity detected by Libet). Clearly, findings of this kind are difficult to reconcile with the sense that one is the conscious source of one's actions. "

    Article: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/sam-harri ... 69726.html
  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    Parachute wrote:
    know1 wrote:
    Thread title is an oxymoron.

    I think athiest = large ego.


    Odd. I've always felt that anyone who believes in any religion must have a huge ego to think they're so special that God created them and this world for them and that they're not just some biological accident that put us here via evolution.

    To me, an atheist would be more of a humble person.

    And it always seems to be the ones who bash people over the heads with their bibles who think a bit too much of themselves.

    God made me in His image, just like you. In that sense you and I are special.

    He knew you would deny Him, but He loves you anyway, and will forgive you... All you have to do is ask.

    No matter what happens to me in this life- its gonna be all good in the end... and the end comes to us all.

    Peace, friend.

    :thumbup: :clap::clap:

    Godfather.
  • pandorapandora Posts: 21,855
    Seeing death as the end of life is like seeing the horizon as the end of the ocean."
    — David Searls

    Live and let live and love :D
  • ParachuteParachute Posts: 409
    pandora wrote:
    Seeing death as the end of life is like seeing the horizon as the end of the ocean."
    — David Searls

    Live and let live and love :D


    I like this saying a lot. thanks for sharing.
  • arqarq Posts: 8,049
    Parachute wrote:
    He gave you free will. It's up to you. If you don't believe, that's fine, but then why take the time to post- other than to put down someone's religion. You should go to Iran and try that. You'd get stoned. And not in a good way! :mrgreen:

    Well religious people need to read their sacred text more often, and you should go with me to Iran, xtians are not too appreciated over there either ;)
    "The good thing about science is that it's true whether or not you believe in it"
    Neil deGrasse Tyson

    Why not (V) (°,,,,°) (V) ?
  • Parachute wrote:
    He gave you free will. It's up to you. If you don't believe, that's fine, but then why take the time to post- other than to put down someone's religion. You should go to Iran and try that. You'd get stoned. And not in a good way! :mrgreen:


    Hm... you don't actually see the Irony in this sentence at ALL, do you?

    You just put down the beliefs of me and an entire country.

    (and for the record, you'd probably get stoned. I'm gay. I'd get beheaded or hanged.)
  • Parachute wrote:
    I agree w/ the rational part, not the weird part- (I'm a chick, not an old man w/ a beard).

    I'm talking about the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel. I'm talking about how God looks like we feel comfortable with him looking.. white skin, dressed like they dressed back then.. facial hair how old men wore it back then. Just like how we made Jesus white with medium brown hair and blue eyes. Which is absurd.

    I do believe in evolution, I just think it's devine.

    And I think Divine is a fat drag queen from the John Waters movies.
    What an amazing, intricate plan!

    God rocks!

    Um. Ugh, Alright. Believe what you want. Just don't teach it in my kid's schools or I'll make sure they also teach my Neo-Paganism and the naked Spring Solstice dance is a night you're NOT going to enjoy.
  • mysticweedmysticweed Posts: 3,710
    what i used to call God (raised southern baptist), i now call the universe
    the scope of our very lives goes back 13.5+ billion years
    the probability that there are hundreds of billions of other universes each in various stages of their own evolution blows even my universe is god notion
    this makes the whole space/time continuum of our own universe a blip in the whole multiverse scheme

    who/what/where would be the deity of all this

    not yahweh
    not god the father
    not allah

    such a deity would have reign over far more souls that we could ever imagine

    but then, at what point of our physical evolution was the soul developed?
    i believe we evolved our own souls and created the deities that we seek to keep these souls

    in the end should it not be the same for every soul that ever existed
    or nothing
    at all
    ?
    fuck 'em if they can't take a joke

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  • LikeAnOceanLikeAnOcean Posts: 7,718
    My problem with religion is it distracts people from focusing on the now.

    Most humans feel empty with out a belief, I get that. I understand the need for religion, but it often makes irrelevant issues an issue, like focusing on gay people vs. figuring out how to fix this countries educational system and save our economy.

    I have an idea. Either we make it legal for anyone to get married or erase marriage all together. I'm tired of getting fucked over with taxes and insurance rates because I'm not married anyhow.

    Let's all agree that nobody really knows the explanation for life and our consiousness. Can't we?


    For the record, I'm agnostic. I don't believe, but would like to believe in something. Whatever happens, happens. Just go with the flow of life and deal the cards that are dealt to you.
  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,436
    God said to Abrahm, "Kill me a son".
    Abe said, "Man, you must be puttin' me on."

    That's my religion... for today.
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  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    i've become increasingly convinced, as i get older, that Atheism is just as dumb, if not dumber, than most other "religions".

    I don't believe in a "personal" god, dressed in a white robe, with a resplendent flowing mane, and a wooden staff in his hand ... but i'm not prepared to throw the baby jesus out with the holy water yet, either.

    There are lots of reasons to think and suspect that there is cosmic intelligence at play in the universe, and I'm keen on the notion that "consciousness" is something that "lives" outside of the human form, just as much as in it. That deity is something that is present at all levels of creation as a form of consciousness, and that it exists in the macrocosm as an overriding force that "guides" all.

    Yeah. I know there is no proof.
    :D


    yeah thats me... Getting dumber every year.
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    lie beside me
    i just need to say
  • kenny olavkenny olav Posts: 3,319
    I don't just believe in the divine, I feel its presence everywhere. I don't get much of that feeling from the Bible.
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