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aerialaerial Posts: 2,319
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Herman Cain officially announces his candidacy for Presidency of the United States of America!
What do you guys think about this guy? I like his views, and like the way he says what he's thinking.
“We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
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  • keeponrockinkeeponrockin Posts: 7,446
    After his statements about Muslims in his cabinet, I'd never vote for him.
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  • aerialaerial Posts: 2,319
    He was honest in his answer. We should be cautious when the Muslim radicals are out to kill us. He did not say he would not appoint a Muslim. It is just smart to try to make sure you are not appointing a terrorist or a terrorist sympathizer. This person has some common sense! So far he’s my pick!!
    “We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 33,898
    aerial wrote:
    He was honest in his answer. We should be cautious when the Muslim radicals are out to kill us. He did not say he would not appoint a Muslim. It is just smart to try to make sure you are not appointing a terrorist or a terrorist sympathizer. This person has some common sense! So far he’s my pick!!

    You serious? I would imagine anyone who as the experience to be part of a presidential cabinet or similar position, would not be a terrorist. Some of the shit I read from you on here....
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    No

    Chance

    In

    Hell

    ........

    He should save his money AND the money of his donors and save his time and drop out now.... but hey, if he wants to waste all of those things on a vanity project then who am i to stop him??

    alan keyes has a better chance than this guy..
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  • blackredyellowblackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    keeponrockin wrote:
    After his statements about Muslims in his cabinet, I'd never vote for him.

    Not that I would have voted for him anyway, but yeah, those comments really gave me a negative view of him. Very bigoted, or at the very least outright fearful of an entire religion of people. Nothing like the President of the United States telling millions of US citizens that he doesn't trust them.
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  • aerialaerial Posts: 2,319
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    aerial wrote:
    He was honest in his answer. We should be cautious when the Muslim radicals are out to kill us. He did not say he would not appoint a Muslim. It is just smart to try to make sure you are not appointing a terrorist or a terrorist sympathizer. This person has some common sense! So far he’s my pick!!

    You serious? I would imagine anyone who as the experience to be part of a presidential cabinet or similar position, would not be a terrorist. Some of the shit I read from you on here....


    The guy that killed all the people on the military base....people saw signs but everyone was afraid of being called a racist....they do get in
    “We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
  • puremagicpuremagic Posts: 1,907
    Seriously, if people are going to run on the U.S. Constitution, at least read the damn thing. If people are going to listen to these idiots quote the U.S. Constitution, at least call them on their mistakes. All this ‘self-interpretation’ is nothing more than bullshit, apparently, people haven’t learned their lesson with the Patriot Act?

    What’s Herman Cain got against the Constitution?

    7:53 am June 10, 2011With the implosion of Newt Gingrich, Georgia’s stable of presidential contenders is down to Herman Cain, who has made some headway in the polls in part by preaching a populist fidelity to the U.S. Constitution.

    However, when even Alan Keyes, writing in the wingnut World Net Daily, takes Cain to task for his blatantly unconstitutional statements, well, you’ve got a problem.

    Let’s review Cain’s record, shall we?

    “We don’t need to rewrite the Constitution of the United States of America, we need to reread the Constitution and enforce the Constitution.”
    – Herman Cain, announcing his candidacy for president
    ———————–
    GLENN BECK: So wait a minute, are you saying that Muslims have to prove, there has to be a loyalty proof?
    CAIN: Yes, to the Constitution of the United States of America.

    BECK: Well, would you do that to a Catholic or a Mormon?
    CAIN: No, I wouldn’t, I wouldn’t because there is a greater dangerous part of the Muslim faith than there is in these other religions.
    ———————–
    “I want people in my administration that are committed to the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution of the United States. I don’t want any inkling of anybody in my administration who would put Sharia law over American law. I have not found a Muslim that has said that they will denounce Sharia law, you know, in order to support the Constitution of the United States.”
    – Herman Cain, on the Laura Ingraham radio show
    ————————-
    “… no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States.”
    – Article VI, U.S. Constitution
    ————————-
    “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof …”
    – Amendment One, U.S. Constitution
    ——————
    “All of the talk about a national foreclosure freeze . . . all they’re trying to do is appeal to people’s emotions. You see, the United States federal government, folks, has no jurisdiction over bankruptcy law. States do!
    So, if some states decide that they want to investigate some of these phony or incomplete foreclosures, it’s up to the states. This is not even under the jurisdiction of the federal government!”
    – Herman Cain, talking on his radio show about federal legislation to address the foreclosure crisis
    —————–
    The Congress shall have power to …. establish a uniform rule of naturalization, and uniform laws on the subject of bankruptcies throughout the United States.
    – Article 1, Section 8, U.S. Constitution
    SIN EATERS--We take the moral excrement we find in this equation and we bury it down deep inside of us so that the rest of our case can stay pure. That is the job. We are morally indefensible and absolutely necessary.
  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,158
    I'm curious on what Godfather.'s thoughts are.

    8-)
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  • keeponrockinkeeponrockin Posts: 7,446
    aerial wrote:
    He was honest in his answer. We should be cautious when the Muslim radicals are out to kill us. He did not say he would not appoint a Muslim. It is just smart to try to make sure you are not appointing a terrorist or a terrorist sympathizer. This person has some common sense! So far he’s my pick!!
    If that's how he thinks, I'll never vote for him. Plain and simple. McVeigh was a Christian and he attacked government buildings, does that mean all Christians should be subject to a loyalty test?
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  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,158
    keeponrockin wrote:
    If that's how he thinks, I'll never vote for him. Plain and simple. McVeigh was a Christian and he attacked government buildings, does that mean all Christians should be subject to a loyalty test?
    I always see the McVeigh / Christianity parallel brought up from time to time in the danger of associating religion with terrorism ... I don't think it is a good parallel to bring up. Yes, McVeigh was born into a Catholic household, but he did not harbor fundamental views of religion, was not actively involved in the church or any side factions, and did not use religion to justify his actions. In his final days, he stated he was agnostic.

    I'm not trying to defend Herman, but I believe the McVeigh / Christianity correlation is a poor choice. It's comparing oranges to apples when trying to associate his motives with those of the 9/11 hijackers.

    Now, some of the Christian militias (remember those goombas in Michigan?) and radical groups that bomb abortion clinics are better examples ... luckily for us in the states, they appear to be a very slim minority.
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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 30,229
    :lol::lol:
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    aerial wrote:
    Herman Cain officially announces his candidacy for Presidency of the United States of America!
    What do you guys think about this guy? I like his views, and like the way he says what he's thinking.
    ...
    Is this the guy that wants to make it so no bill should be over 3 pages?
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  • Prince Of DorknessPrince Of Dorkness Posts: 3,763
    aerial wrote:
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    The guy that killed all the people on the military base....people saw signs but everyone was afraid of being called a racist....they do get in


    Yeah. One nutcase.

    By the way... the guys who blew up the Oklahoma building.... they were white. And Christian. Better do background checks on everyone.
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  • Prince Of DorknessPrince Of Dorkness Posts: 3,763
    For the record, I think he's a stupid, racist, homophobic pig.
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  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    aerial wrote:
    The guy that killed all the people on the military base....people saw signs but everyone was afraid of being called a racist....they do get in
    ...
    How do you know that? Can you please direct me towards some thing that I can verify, rather than taking your obviously slanted opinion on the matter.
    By the way... anyone who 'KNOWS' a crime... a murder... is going to be commited... but doesn't say anything because 'they are afraid people might think they are racist'... those people are not racist, rather they are fucking COWARDS and PUSSIES and bear some of the responsibility for the crime.
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  • keeponrockinkeeponrockin Posts: 7,446
    Cosmo wrote:
    aerial wrote:
    Herman Cain officially announces his candidacy for Presidency of the United States of America!
    What do you guys think about this guy? I like his views, and like the way he says what he's thinking.
    ...
    Is this the guy that wants to make it so no bill should be over 3 pages?
    Yeah, that guy.

    @Jason P, you're right, those are better examples. But based on those examples, should we make Christians prove their loyalty? (the answer is no, as it should be for Muslims, Mormons, and Dudeists).
    Believe me, when I was growin up, I thought the worst thing you could turn out to be was normal, So I say freaks in the most complementary way. Here's a song by a fellow freak - E.V
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    Prince Of Dorkness wrote:
    For the record, I think he's a stupid, racist, homophobic pig.
    second!
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    keeponrockin wrote:
    Cosmo wrote:
    aerial wrote:
    Herman Cain officially announces his candidacy for Presidency of the United States of America!
    What do you guys think about this guy? I like his views, and like the way he says what he's thinking.
    ...
    Is this the guy that wants to make it so no bill should be over 3 pages?
    Yeah, that guy.

    @Jason P, you're right, those are better examples. But based on those examples, should we make Christians prove their loyalty? (the answer is no, as it should be for Muslims, Mormons, and Dudeists).
    ...
    So, he is catering to the, 'I don't have the patience to read stupid words like elitist intellects, so just give me the 60 second sound bites I can catch on YouTube' voter base... right.
    ...
    Stupid words... who need 'em?
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  • unsungunsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    He thinks it is acceptable for states to regulate gun control. Granted Cain likely meant "if anyone should, its not the feds"...but he is still wrong. The right to keep and bear arms may not be infringed. The 2A does not say, "Congress may not regulate firearms"...and due to the supremacy clause, this also makes state infringements unconstitutional.


    Personal freedoms begins there, to me he is not a pro-liberty candidate. So he will not get my vote.
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    unsung wrote:
    He thinks it is acceptable for states to regulate gun control. Granted Cain likely meant "if anyone should, its not the feds"...but he is still wrong. The right to keep and bear arms may not be infringed. The 2A does not say, "Congress may not regulate firearms"...and due to the supremacy clause, this also makes state infringements unconstitutional.


    Personal freedoms begins there, to me he is not a pro-liberty candidate. So he will not get my vote.
    i knew that sooner or later you and i would find common ground of some sort :D
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  • aerialaerial Posts: 2,319
    I don’t see how someone can find fault with keeping bills to a minimum to keep things from slipping in like earmarks……or having the law written so the average guy can understand…..what is wrong with that?
    “We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    aerial wrote:
    I don’t see how someone can find fault with keeping bills to a minimum to keep things from slipping in like earmarks……or having the law written so the average guy can understand…..what is wrong with that?
    there are very few bills that can possibly be under 3 pages. that to me means that this guy is completely irrational. also, there should be no spending cuts unless revenue is raised as well. the republicans are making this out to be an "emergency", and if they were deadly serious about getting out of debt as soon as possible then they should put their money where their collective mouths are and demand higher taxes on corporations and on the wealthy. but they never will because that is their base. they are a joke of a party. i am going to sit back and watch as their leadership and presidential and congressional candidates drive their party bus off of the cliff. if they continue their current platform of waging class warfare, supporting the ryan budget and cutting medicare and medicaid they will lose both houses for at least the next 12 years.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • keeponrockinkeeponrockin Posts: 7,446
    aerial wrote:
    I don’t see how someone can find fault with keeping bills to a minimum to keep things from slipping in like earmarks……or having the law written so the average guy can understand…..what is wrong with that?
    Because bills are often more complicated. And if the average guy cares enough to understand, he will!
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  • Prince Of DorknessPrince Of Dorkness Posts: 3,763
    aerial wrote:
    I don’t see how someone can find fault with keeping bills to a minimum to keep things from slipping in like earmarks……or having the law written so the average guy can understand…..what is wrong with that?

    Bills need to be written concisely. The reason he wants them short is so it makes it easier for his corporate owners to find loop holes so they can keep fucking over the people to make even more money.

    Sorry but if you're not willing to do your homework, read, study and make informed decisions, you're not cut out to be a leader.

    Show all the nudie shots on Twitter you want... as long as you look after my best interests while you're at work, I'm good.
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  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    aerial wrote:
    I don’t see how someone can find fault with keeping bills to a minimum to keep things from slipping in like earmarks……or having the law written so the average guy can understand…..what is wrong with that?
    ...
    Tell you what...
    Why don't you draft a bill proposal to prevent nuclear, chemical and/or biological arms making materials from getting into the hands of terrorist that does not restrict trade, violate agreed upon free trade treaties and meets the Constitutional constraints... and keep it under 3 pages and in language that even Paris Hilton would understand.
    If not... then, I guess we don't need that law... right?
    ...
    Also, the average guy that WANTS to read and understand Bill can go here to read the full text of the bills.
    http://thomas.loc.gov/home/bills_res.html
    I'm just your average working Joe and I can read and understand the bills. I also understand that a 2700 page document is only used for the copies made available to our representatives during the debate portion of the process. They are 2,700 pages because the font is 20 pt. and more than double spaces so comments, concerns of each sentence can be written in the margins. So each page is limited to only a few sentences.
    ...
    Here is a sample of what I am talking about:
    http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-112h ... 1954ih.pdf
    I used this one because it is short. Still... it takes 2 pages to say:
    112TH CONGRESS - 1ST SESSION H. R. 1954
    To implement the President’s request to increase the statutory limit on the public debt.
    IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES - MAY 24, 2011
    Mr. CAMP introduced the following bill; which was referred to the Committee on Ways and Means A BILL To implement the President’s request to increase the statutory limit on the public debt.
    Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,
    SECTION 1. FINDING.
    The Congress finds that the President’s budget proposal, Budget of the United States Government, Fiscal Year 2012, necessitates an increase in the statutory debt limit of $2,406,000,000,000.
    SEC. 2. INCREASE IN STATUTORY LIMIT ON THE PUBLIC DEBT.
    Subsection (b) of section 3101 of title 31, United States Code, is amended by striking out the dollar limitation contained in such subsection and inserting in lieu thereof ‘‘$16,700,000,000,000’’.
    ...
    Representatives use these documents to sway an illiterate voter base to form conclusions that are not based in reality. If the 'Average Guy' really gave a shit about this country, he'd get off of the fucking MILF porn sites and read the fucking laws he is 'so concerned' about.
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