"Romney was pointed in his criticism of President Obama and gracious to his rivals, saying any of them would make a better chief executive than the current occupant of the White House."
occupant
Considering he believes humans came from another planet, his favorite song is "Calling Occupants Of Interplanetary Craft."
(I'm not kidding.. Mormons believe that we came from outer space. Wait til you hear why they think black people are black. See if you want to vote for him THEN).
...and the rest of modern Christianity believes that some being called "God" with no parts or passions just sat around and did nothing from all eternity, then got bored with no friends, so he created some out of nothing and commanded them to worship him. JFK came from a religion where it is taught that the cracker and wine one drinks at communion actually morphs into the actual body and blood of Jesus himself.
Say what you will about Mormons, but the beliefs at their core are no more "whacky" than most other mainstream religions. It is simply that we have become accustomed to the other religions through culture and tradition, so they do not strike us as strangely as the Mormon faith might.
Say what you will about Mormons, but the beliefs at their core are no more "whacky" than most other mainstream religions. It is simply that we have become accustomed to the other religions through culture and tradition, so they do not strike us as strangely as the Mormon faith might.
Really?
Because my parents used to take me to a Perspiration church and we never had magic underwear. Mormons do.
And let's not even get started on the "white and delightsome" skin colour thing.
Say what you will about Mormons, but the beliefs at their core are no more "whacky" than most other mainstream religions. It is simply that we have become accustomed to the other religions through culture and tradition, so they do not strike us as strangely as the Mormon faith might.
Really?
Because my parents used to take me to a Perspiration church and we never had magic underwear. Mormons do.
And let's not even get started on the "white and delightsome" skin colour thing.
So...basically you're cool with the whole Anti Christ thing, the earth being only 7k years old, Eve being created literally from Adam's rib, Moses literally parting the Red Sea, "true Christians" suddenly disappearing from the earth before all hell breaks loose, some guy being hung on a cross and having that somehow ctrl/alt/del your sins out...then rising again from the dead like "lol, jaykay!"...and evil people (evil meaning those that do not accept a mainstream Christian version of reality, regardless of actual good deads done and intention of the heart, homosexuals included, according to the dogma) spending eternity in a lake of fire and brimstone, but people wearing "magic" underoos gets your panties in a bunch? You DO realize that these mainstream Christians, when it comes down to it, dislike homosexuals and those that disagree with them as much as you say Mormons dislike blacks, right?
I really think it is less "out there" than you're making it out to be, when compared with the rest of mainstream Christianity...we're just all used to the main stuff being in our culture, etc.
Believe me, when I was growin up, I thought the worst thing you could turn out to be was normal, So I say freaks in the most complementary way. Here's a song by a fellow freak - E.V
Sorry, that was harsh. If you find comfort, then whatever, but don't claim something as fact without some scientific basis. At least scientists are willing to change their opinions when new evidence comes to light, you don't see the church changing the old testament when dinasour bones were discovered.
Believe me, when I was growin up, I thought the worst thing you could turn out to be was normal, So I say freaks in the most complementary way. Here's a song by a fellow freak - E.V
Sorry, that was harsh. If you find comfort, then whatever, but don't claim something as fact without some scientific basis. At least scientists are willing to change their opinions when new evidence comes to light, you don't see the church changing the old testament when dinasour bones were discovered.
Que? I said this is an opinion I can respect...like, seriously.
No no, I was saying what I had originally said was harsh! My bad!
Believe me, when I was growin up, I thought the worst thing you could turn out to be was normal, So I say freaks in the most complementary way. Here's a song by a fellow freak - E.V
So...basically you're cool with the whole Anti Christ thing, the earth being only 7k years old, Eve being created literally from Adam's rib, Moses literally parting the Red Sea, "true Christians" suddenly disappearing from the earth before all hell breaks loose, some guy being hung on a cross and having that somehow ctrl/alt/del your sins out...then rising again from the dead like "lol, jaykay!"...and evil people (evil meaning those that do not accept a mainstream Christian version of reality, regardless of actual good deads done and intention of the heart, homosexuals included, according to the dogma) spending eternity in a lake of fire and brimstone, but people wearing "magic" underoos gets your panties in a bunch? You DO realize that these mainstream Christians, when it comes down to it, dislike homosexuals and those that disagree with them as much as you say Mormons dislike blacks, right?
I really think it is less "out there" than you're making it out to be, when compared with the rest of mainstream Christianity...we're just all used to the main stuff being in our culture, etc.
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You forgot to mention the talking snake.
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Thing is... yeah, religion ain't for me, personally. But, who am I to say what others choose to believe. I don't see anything wrong with some who believes in Saviours to seeer stones ot space aliens in volcanoes... as long as they are nice, decent people. I don't give a shit if they are Christian, Jew, Muslim, Hindu or Aetheist... if they are nice people, they are nice people and i like them... if they are assholes.... they are assholes... I steer clear of them.
To me... no religion is better than another... and no religion is crazier than any other.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
Elspeth Reeve – Wed Jun 15, 4:19 pm ET
It's bad enough that Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney has to deal with an endless stream of compliments from President Obama for being the inspiration for Obamacare. But now Romney's getting praise from Al Gore, too? All poor Mitt needs is a nice word from Barbara Streisand and he'll have locked up endorsements from conservatives' three most prominent villains representing their three most hated parts of society: the federal government, environmentalists, and Hollywood.
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I'm in no way a fan of Romney, but the people who brand Mormons as all distrustful, evil people are just as bad as the ones who brand all Muslims as terrorists.
My whole life
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
Romney-
“I am proud to have the support of these Florida leaders. They share my goals of creating jobs, getting our exploding deficits under control, and reversing President Obama’s failed policies.”
The Florida endorsements were from Reps. Ander Crenshaw, Connie Mack and Tom Rooney, along with state Sen. John Thrasher, a former chairman of the Florida Republican Party.
I'm in no way a fan of Romney, but the people who brand Mormons as all distrustful, evil people are just as bad as the ones who brand all Muslims as terrorists.
But isn't Glenn Beck Mormon?
I've worked with and known several Mormons and they were all quite nice. I can say that they are certainly very well organized. Nice people, but I think the basis of their faith (at least as described by John Smith) is ... very strange, to say the least.
Of course, most atheists will say that about all religions. My take is, if your religion has been around for thousands of years, I'll cut you some slack on "fact verification". But if your religion is less the 200 years old (I'm looking at you, Scientology), your "fact verification" is going to be held to much higher standards.
That said, I don't believe Mormons are evil ... quite the opposite in fact. But they are a very conservative group and that is going to ruffle the feathers of some groups.
You want "despicable"?
Check out Bill Cooper - Mystery Babylon - The History, The Dogma, The True Identity Of Mystery Babylon - The Transcripts, Page 286 - Hour 30 of Broadcast - "The Godmakers" - it is ALL about The Mormon "Church" and its seeming connection to "Illuminism", Free Masonry, "Invisible Empire", and "New World Order".
While Bill undoubtedly gets some of his "facts" wrong, there is a LOT in this broadcast hour that should raise your eye about the Mormon church specifically.
The spooky part is he talks specifically about (from 1993 that is) the Mormon desire to get a Mormon in to the Presidency and the specifics of what he thinks they would do \ what that would mean if it happened. Real "crazy" stuff, for sure, but oddly relevant to the upcoming election -- although I personally believe Obama will still win in a relative landslide against ANY republican opponent, and that Romney only has a marginal chance of success in the primaries, anyhow. Per my current (admittedly very shakey \ tentative) cosmo-theology, I'm not even sure we make it to the 2012 election as an in tact nation. lol?
If I was to smile and I held out my hand
If I opened it now would you not understand?
You want "despicable"?
Check out Bill Cooper - Mystery Babylon - The History, The Dogma, The True Identity Of Mystery Babylon - The Transcripts, Page 286 - Hour 30 of Broadcast - "The Godmakers" - it is ALL about The Mormon "Church" and its seeming connection to "Illuminism", Free Masonry, "Invisible Empire", and "New World Order".
While Bill undoubtedly gets some of his "facts" wrong, there is a LOT in this broadcast hour that should raise your eye about the Mormon church specifically.
The spooky part is he talks specifically about (from 1993 that is) the Mormon desire to get a Mormon in to the Presidency and the specifics of what he thinks they would do \ what that would mean if it happened. Real "crazy" stuff, for sure, but oddly relevant to the upcoming election -- although I personally believe Obama will still win in a relative landslide against ANY republican opponent, and that Romney only has a marginal chance of success in the primaries, anyhow. Per my current (admittedly very shakey \ tentative) cosmo-theology, I'm not even sure we make it to the 2012 election as an in tact nation. lol?
All catholics and protestants do not really live their to every letter of the BIble. All muslims do not live their lives to every letter of the Quran. All mormons, do not live their lives to every letter of the Book of Mormon or what the administration of the church may or may not be up to.
"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win ."
[Quoted attack on all members of a group just because they are in that religious group removed. See Posting Guidelines. Sorry Cosmo, your post still works.]
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I have to disagree. I personally know Mormons... I have relatives that are Mormon.
What you speak of... the deception and all... that is a characteristic of human social behaviour and is not relegated to one religion. I bet there are examples of Christians, Jews, Muslims, Hindis, aetheists and Scientologist that are the same way. My point is that all religions have wacky shit about them and people believe them. Which is why I cannot understand how someone can make fun of space aliens and volcanoes... or seeer stones and Eden being in Florida when they believe a talking snake convinced a woman that was made from a piece of rib bone from a man is the reason why we are all destined to die.
To me... if someone believe and find comfort in that... great. I am happy for them
Just as one religion does not corner the market on righteousness... not one of them is all evil.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
All catholics and protestants do not really live their to every letter of the BIble. All muslims do not live their lives to every letter of the Quran. All mormons, do not live their lives to every letter of the Book of Mormon or what the administration of the church may or may not be up to.
I didn't say anything about the faith structure or fundamental beliefs of mormonism. All i said is that Bill Cooper presents some very weird \ compelling \ and somewhat disturbing information about the INSTITUTION of mormonism.
Just like i could give two shits about the beliefs of any given Catholic, yet at the same time I have a sever distrust \ skepticism of the Catholic Institution!
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If I was to smile and I held out my hand
If I opened it now would you not understand?
Until I was about 15 I was a member of the Mormon church. Mainly through my grandmother who is now 92, and still works daily in the geneaology library at one of the Mormon temples. My experience is not meant to change anyone's mind, but maybe just give some insight from someone who has actually experienced it.
Maybe I was part of a weird sect of the church, but I was never taught about space ships, becoming a god, multiple marriages, the black people curse, or anything like that. LOL Some of these things I've never even heard of until they were posted here on MT, and doing some research I find these are widespread beliefs about the church. I asked my grandmother about it this morning, and she laughed, thinking I was joking.
In regard to the curse of Cain upon black people, she did say that not only the Mormon church, but many other church's subscribed to that philosophy at one time. Racism of old was heavily supported by skewed scripture. It actually originated with slave owners, who wanted to justify the keeping of slaves as "God's will". So they would twist verses in the Bible to suit their needs (just like is done with so many ideals within religious institutions). The Bible simply states that a mark was set upon Cain, not Cain and his descendants. She even told me to look up a passage in The Book of Mormon:
2 Nephi 26:33
33For none of these iniquities come of the Lord; for he doeth that which is good among the children of men; and he doeth nothing save it be plain unto the children of men; and he inviteth them all to come unto him and partake of his goodness; and he denieth none that come unto him, black and white, bound and free, male and female; and he remembereth the heathen; and all are alike unto God, both Jew and Gentile.
I realize that won't change anyone's opinion, but I just thought it was something to note. I'm sure that there will be an infinite number of examples that people can post and quote on here that contradict the doctrine quoted above.
I did go to the Temple when I was 13, and that was for a ceremony they call baptism for the dead. That was the only place that any special underwear was mentioned. Really all it was, was you put on this like jumpsuit, similar to I guess insulated underwear, before you went in to the Temple. Out of respect, you didn't go in there with your street clothes. Now baptism for the dead was not as weird as it sounds, at least it wasn't for me. You just went in there with a few names of family members that passed on, and you honored them through a baptism in their name. Yeah, it's odd, but I thought the whole process, and reflecting on the loved ones you've lost was really nice.
To the one who mentioned above that all religions are f'ed up, you're dead on. I don't care what anyone on here thinks of me, but I absolutely accept Jesus Christ as my savior. I know that many on here question his very existence in history, but I don't, and that's just my belief. That may make me stupid and weak in your eyes and that's fine. However, don't confuse religion with Christianity. Many Christians have taken a beautiful thing and have twisted it into something that can be described as nothing but pure evil.
I used to ("used to" being the operative term) go to a church a few years ago, and at least once a month the pastor would go on this rant about the homosexuals. He would pray for them, his heart would ache for them, he would get fired up about them, etc. I always wondered "why"? Why is it that he feels the need to call out homosexuals? Even if you consider that a sin, why put such an emphasis on it? Did this guy not know that according to the Bible he was thumping that God looks upon ALL sin with equal disdain?
My wife and I are kind of the rebels within our church. We are the few (maybe the only? :? ) that don't look at homosexuality as a sin. In the Bible Belt, that gets some serious response. We don't believe people can control who they fall in love with, or who they are attracted to. I've often wondered why so many fellow Christians have such an easy time with putting down homosexuality, as if it is the very pinnacle of sin. Their hypocrisy is redonkulous to say the least.
When these people try to argue that it's a sin, and that it's an abominable lifestyle, I simply ask them...is it any worse than if your daughter or son slept around? I then will usually follow up with, what if someone is openly homosexual but is not promiscuous, what if they never even have contact with someone of the same sex, but they are still attracted to them? Have they committed a sin? Who is better in your eyes, a church goer who sleeps around or a dedicated homosexual partner who is absolutely faithful?
These questions are usually too much for them to process, and they will walk away in disgust. However, as they are leaving I will usually follow up with the fact that, it's not our place to judge. We are not commanded to condemn homosexuals or anyone for that matter. Jesus Christ gives us two commandments:
1) To love our God with all our hearts, all our soul, all our mind and all our strength
2) To love our neighbor as we love ourselves
So as a Christian, beyond my love for God, I am tasked not with telling people where I THINK they have failed in life...I'm tasked with the job of loving them. Absolutely loving them. Offering them encouragement. Showing them kindness. Making them feel cared for. Helping to fulfill whatever needs they may have. Ministering to them in action...not in words. A true Christian should be able to spread the gospel of Jesus Christ without having to quote a single scripture.
These Christians who want to get on their high horse, making themselves out to be more important than they are, I believe are setting themselves up for major disappointment. I actually heard on the radio where a pastor was being condemned by his church for wanting to hold a Bible study at a bar on Wed mornings. Seriously?? For one thing, if you're getting wasted at a bar on Wed. morning, you probably need someone to talk to. So why wouldn't church members want to reach out to these people?
My wife does ministry to people in jail and prison. There are people around here that absolutely cannot understand why she would ever do that. They think there's no place for it. Seriously? How do people get this way? I can say with absolute confidence that the first place Jesus Christ would go would be where there are those that are hurting, those that are in need. It won't be to the mega church's, it won't be to those who think they have an E-ticket to Heaven. Jesus would be with those that need us now, those that need to be cared for, those that need love, those that need encouragement, those that need friendship.
I'm in no way a fan of Romney, but the people who brand Mormons as all distrustful, evil people are just as bad as the ones who brand all Muslims as terrorists.
Watch the documentary I talked about.
Mormons were given an order to donate money to Proposition 8. If they didn't they were given quite a hard time. They funded a huge campaign full of fear-mongering a lies, suggesting that allowing gay marriage to continue would lead to people fucking children and dogs.
To be honest.. I think I've more than earned the right to have a bit of uncaged anger, thanks.
These generalizations are despicable. I personally know dozens of Mormons that go to church every Sunday that would not come close to doing that.
When you totally sound like Borat talking about Jews, you might want to ask yourself if you can do better.
Well, I haven't spent my life savings on a promotional campaign to scare the general public into voting away the rights of Mormons. So I'm AM better than those... "people."
"Look, he's a nice guy. He's well-spoken. He can talk a dog off a meat wagon," Romney said of Obama. "But he hasn't delivered. ...... What he has done has failed the American people."
I have to disagree. I personally know Mormons... I have relatives that are Mormon.
What you speak of... the deception and all... that is a characteristic of human social behaviour and is not relegated to one religion.
That's very true.
however it wasn't just random Mormons who orchestrated Proposition 8... it came right from the top. The mormons created a lot of secret shell organizations because they knew how unpopular their church was... they went WAY out of their way to hide that it was them running and funding the whole campaign.
This isn't your friends.. this is the people who tell your friends what to do.
When the owners of a restaurant in Hollywood called "El Coyote" were revealed to have donated money to Prop 8, their defense was "the church tells us what to do... we aren't given a choice."
So, i'm going to say my seething anger and feelings that they would stab you in the back if the grand Poobah in Salk Lake City told them too probably aren't too far off.
These generalizations are despicable. I personally know dozens of Mormons that go to church every Sunday that would not come close to doing that.
When you totally sound like Borat talking about Jews, you might want to ask yourself if you can do better.
Well, I haven't spent my life savings on a promotional campaign to scare the general public into voting away the rights of Mormons. So I'm AM better than those... "people."
I have to disagree. I personally know Mormons... I have relatives that are Mormon.
What you speak of... the deception and all... that is a characteristic of human social behaviour and is not relegated to one religion.
That's very true.
however it wasn't just random Mormons who orchestrated Proposition 8... it came right from the top. The mormons created a lot of secret shell organizations because they knew how unpopular their church was... they went WAY out of their way to hide that it was them running and funding the whole campaign.
This isn't your friends.. this is the people who tell your friends what to do.
When the owners of a restaurant in Hollywood called "El Coyote" were revealed to have donated money to Prop 8, their defense was "the church tells us what to do... we aren't given a choice."
So, i'm going to say my seething anger and feelings that they would stab you in the back if the grand Poobah in Salk Lake City told them too probably aren't too far off.
You're going to need to control that anger and rephrase your discussion about an entire group of people based on what their leadership has said. Any group does not think with one mind and it leans towards bigotry when these blanket statements condemn everyone from a group using words like "they this" and "they that". - Admin
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Say what you will about Mormons, but the beliefs at their core are no more "whacky" than most other mainstream religions. It is simply that we have become accustomed to the other religions through culture and tradition, so they do not strike us as strangely as the Mormon faith might.
Really?
Because my parents used to take me to a Perspiration church and we never had magic underwear. Mormons do.
And let's not even get started on the "white and delightsome" skin colour thing.
I really think it is less "out there" than you're making it out to be, when compared with the rest of mainstream Christianity...we're just all used to the main stuff being in our culture, etc.
VAGINA
it's not a clown car.
You forgot to mention the talking snake.
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Thing is... yeah, religion ain't for me, personally. But, who am I to say what others choose to believe. I don't see anything wrong with some who believes in Saviours to seeer stones ot space aliens in volcanoes... as long as they are nice, decent people. I don't give a shit if they are Christian, Jew, Muslim, Hindu or Aetheist... if they are nice people, they are nice people and i like them... if they are assholes.... they are assholes... I steer clear of them.
To me... no religion is better than another... and no religion is crazier than any other.
Hail, Hail!!!
VAGINA
it's not a clown car.[/quote]
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
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Elspeth Reeve – Wed Jun 15, 4:19 pm ET
It's bad enough that Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney has to deal with an endless stream of compliments from President Obama for being the inspiration for Obamacare. But now Romney's getting praise from Al Gore, too? All poor Mitt needs is a nice word from Barbara Streisand and he'll have locked up endorsements from conservatives' three most prominent villains representing their three most hated parts of society: the federal government, environmentalists, and Hollywood.
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/atlantic/20110615/pl_atlantic/nowromneysgettingcomplimentsalgoretoo38869
very offensive. no place for that here.
I'm in no way a fan of Romney, but the people who brand Mormons as all distrustful, evil people are just as bad as the ones who brand all Muslims as terrorists.
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
back on point
Romney-
“I am proud to have the support of these Florida leaders. They share my goals of creating jobs, getting our exploding deficits under control, and reversing President Obama’s failed policies.”
The Florida endorsements were from Reps. Ander Crenshaw, Connie Mack and Tom Rooney, along with state Sen. John Thrasher, a former chairman of the Florida Republican Party.
I've worked with and known several Mormons and they were all quite nice. I can say that they are certainly very well organized. Nice people, but I think the basis of their faith (at least as described by John Smith) is ... very strange, to say the least.
Of course, most atheists will say that about all religions. My take is, if your religion has been around for thousands of years, I'll cut you some slack on "fact verification". But if your religion is less the 200 years old (I'm looking at you, Scientology), your "fact verification" is going to be held to much higher standards.
That said, I don't believe Mormons are evil ... quite the opposite in fact. But they are a very conservative group and that is going to ruffle the feathers of some groups.
These generalizations are despicable. I personally know dozens of Mormons that go to church every Sunday that would not come close to doing that.
When you totally sound like Borat talking about Jews, you might want to ask yourself if you can do better.
"With our thoughts we make the world"
Check out Bill Cooper - Mystery Babylon - The History, The Dogma, The True Identity Of Mystery Babylon - The Transcripts, Page 286 - Hour 30 of Broadcast - "The Godmakers" - it is ALL about The Mormon "Church" and its seeming connection to "Illuminism", Free Masonry, "Invisible Empire", and "New World Order".
While Bill undoubtedly gets some of his "facts" wrong, there is a LOT in this broadcast hour that should raise your eye about the Mormon church specifically.
The spooky part is he talks specifically about (from 1993 that is) the Mormon desire to get a Mormon in to the Presidency and the specifics of what he thinks they would do \ what that would mean if it happened. Real "crazy" stuff, for sure, but oddly relevant to the upcoming election -- although I personally believe Obama will still win in a relative landslide against ANY republican opponent, and that Romney only has a marginal chance of success in the primaries, anyhow. Per my current (admittedly very shakey \ tentative) cosmo-theology, I'm not even sure we make it to the 2012 election as an in tact nation. lol?
If I opened it now would you not understand?
All catholics and protestants do not really live their to every letter of the BIble. All muslims do not live their lives to every letter of the Quran. All mormons, do not live their lives to every letter of the Book of Mormon or what the administration of the church may or may not be up to.
"With our thoughts we make the world"
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I have to disagree. I personally know Mormons... I have relatives that are Mormon.
What you speak of... the deception and all... that is a characteristic of human social behaviour and is not relegated to one religion. I bet there are examples of Christians, Jews, Muslims, Hindis, aetheists and Scientologist that are the same way. My point is that all religions have wacky shit about them and people believe them. Which is why I cannot understand how someone can make fun of space aliens and volcanoes... or seeer stones and Eden being in Florida when they believe a talking snake convinced a woman that was made from a piece of rib bone from a man is the reason why we are all destined to die.
To me... if someone believe and find comfort in that... great. I am happy for them
Just as one religion does not corner the market on righteousness... not one of them is all evil.
Hail, Hail!!!
I didn't say anything about the faith structure or fundamental beliefs of mormonism. All i said is that Bill Cooper presents some very weird \ compelling \ and somewhat disturbing information about the INSTITUTION of mormonism.
Just like i could give two shits about the beliefs of any given Catholic, yet at the same time I have a sever distrust \ skepticism of the Catholic Institution!
If I opened it now would you not understand?
Maybe I was part of a weird sect of the church, but I was never taught about space ships, becoming a god, multiple marriages, the black people curse, or anything like that. LOL Some of these things I've never even heard of until they were posted here on MT, and doing some research I find these are widespread beliefs about the church. I asked my grandmother about it this morning, and she laughed, thinking I was joking.
In regard to the curse of Cain upon black people, she did say that not only the Mormon church, but many other church's subscribed to that philosophy at one time. Racism of old was heavily supported by skewed scripture. It actually originated with slave owners, who wanted to justify the keeping of slaves as "God's will". So they would twist verses in the Bible to suit their needs (just like is done with so many ideals within religious institutions). The Bible simply states that a mark was set upon Cain, not Cain and his descendants. She even told me to look up a passage in The Book of Mormon:
I realize that won't change anyone's opinion, but I just thought it was something to note. I'm sure that there will be an infinite number of examples that people can post and quote on here that contradict the doctrine quoted above.
I did go to the Temple when I was 13, and that was for a ceremony they call baptism for the dead. That was the only place that any special underwear was mentioned. Really all it was, was you put on this like jumpsuit, similar to I guess insulated underwear, before you went in to the Temple. Out of respect, you didn't go in there with your street clothes. Now baptism for the dead was not as weird as it sounds, at least it wasn't for me. You just went in there with a few names of family members that passed on, and you honored them through a baptism in their name. Yeah, it's odd, but I thought the whole process, and reflecting on the loved ones you've lost was really nice.
To the one who mentioned above that all religions are f'ed up, you're dead on. I don't care what anyone on here thinks of me, but I absolutely accept Jesus Christ as my savior. I know that many on here question his very existence in history, but I don't, and that's just my belief. That may make me stupid and weak in your eyes and that's fine. However, don't confuse religion with Christianity. Many Christians have taken a beautiful thing and have twisted it into something that can be described as nothing but pure evil.
I used to ("used to" being the operative term) go to a church a few years ago, and at least once a month the pastor would go on this rant about the homosexuals. He would pray for them, his heart would ache for them, he would get fired up about them, etc. I always wondered "why"? Why is it that he feels the need to call out homosexuals? Even if you consider that a sin, why put such an emphasis on it? Did this guy not know that according to the Bible he was thumping that God looks upon ALL sin with equal disdain?
My wife and I are kind of the rebels within our church. We are the few (maybe the only? :? ) that don't look at homosexuality as a sin. In the Bible Belt, that gets some serious response. We don't believe people can control who they fall in love with, or who they are attracted to. I've often wondered why so many fellow Christians have such an easy time with putting down homosexuality, as if it is the very pinnacle of sin. Their hypocrisy is redonkulous to say the least.
When these people try to argue that it's a sin, and that it's an abominable lifestyle, I simply ask them...is it any worse than if your daughter or son slept around? I then will usually follow up with, what if someone is openly homosexual but is not promiscuous, what if they never even have contact with someone of the same sex, but they are still attracted to them? Have they committed a sin? Who is better in your eyes, a church goer who sleeps around or a dedicated homosexual partner who is absolutely faithful?
These questions are usually too much for them to process, and they will walk away in disgust. However, as they are leaving I will usually follow up with the fact that, it's not our place to judge. We are not commanded to condemn homosexuals or anyone for that matter. Jesus Christ gives us two commandments:
1) To love our God with all our hearts, all our soul, all our mind and all our strength
2) To love our neighbor as we love ourselves
So as a Christian, beyond my love for God, I am tasked not with telling people where I THINK they have failed in life...I'm tasked with the job of loving them. Absolutely loving them. Offering them encouragement. Showing them kindness. Making them feel cared for. Helping to fulfill whatever needs they may have. Ministering to them in action...not in words. A true Christian should be able to spread the gospel of Jesus Christ without having to quote a single scripture.
These Christians who want to get on their high horse, making themselves out to be more important than they are, I believe are setting themselves up for major disappointment. I actually heard on the radio where a pastor was being condemned by his church for wanting to hold a Bible study at a bar on Wed mornings. Seriously?? For one thing, if you're getting wasted at a bar on Wed. morning, you probably need someone to talk to. So why wouldn't church members want to reach out to these people?
My wife does ministry to people in jail and prison. There are people around here that absolutely cannot understand why she would ever do that. They think there's no place for it. Seriously? How do people get this way? I can say with absolute confidence that the first place Jesus Christ would go would be where there are those that are hurting, those that are in need. It won't be to the mega church's, it won't be to those who think they have an E-ticket to Heaven. Jesus would be with those that need us now, those that need to be cared for, those that need love, those that need encouragement, those that need friendship.
Sorry to rant. :oops:
Watch the documentary I talked about.
Mormons were given an order to donate money to Proposition 8. If they didn't they were given quite a hard time. They funded a huge campaign full of fear-mongering a lies, suggesting that allowing gay marriage to continue would lead to people fucking children and dogs.
To be honest.. I think I've more than earned the right to have a bit of uncaged anger, thanks.
Well, I haven't spent my life savings on a promotional campaign to scare the general public into voting away the rights of Mormons. So I'm AM better than those... "people."
"Look, he's a nice guy. He's well-spoken. He can talk a dog off a meat wagon," Romney said of Obama. "But he hasn't delivered. ...... What he has done has failed the American people."
That's very true.
however it wasn't just random Mormons who orchestrated Proposition 8... it came right from the top. The mormons created a lot of secret shell organizations because they knew how unpopular their church was... they went WAY out of their way to hide that it was them running and funding the whole campaign.
This isn't your friends.. this is the people who tell your friends what to do.
When the owners of a restaurant in Hollywood called "El Coyote" were revealed to have donated money to Prop 8, their defense was "the church tells us what to do... we aren't given a choice."
So, i'm going to say my seething anger and feelings that they would stab you in the back if the grand Poobah in Salk Lake City told them too probably aren't too far off.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politic ... s/politics
http://www.365gay.com/news/082508-mormon-marriage/
Just google "mormons support gays" or anything like that and you'll find lots of articles and sites like this.
"With our thoughts we make the world"
You're going to need to control that anger and rephrase your discussion about an entire group of people based on what their leadership has said. Any group does not think with one mind and it leans towards bigotry when these blanket statements condemn everyone from a group using words like "they this" and "they that". - Admin