Florida governor signs welfare drug-screen measure

Godfather.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/06/01/ ... ?hpt=hp_t2

this will stirr up the Fl. drug addicts.

Godfather.

Blockhead

About time...

keeponrockin

Can we also attach drug tests to those receiving farm subsidies, oil subsidies, and bank bailouts?

mikepegg44

keeponrockin wrote:

Can we also attach drug tests to those receiving farm subsidies, oil subsidies, and bank bailouts?

how about we just eliminate those things?

JonnyPistachio

Of course, our governor Rick Scott is doing this because he is concerned about how money is spent in Florida.
I'm sure it has nothing to do with this:

"One of the more popular services at Solantic, the urgent care chain co-founded by Florida Gov. Rick Scott, is drug testing, according to Solantic CEO Karen Bowling.

Given Solantic's role in that marketplace, critics are again asking whether Scott's policy initiatives - this time, requiring drug testing of state employees and welfare recipients - are designed to benefit Scott's bottom line.

The Palm Beach Post reported in an exclusive story two weeks ago that while Scott divested his interest in Solantic in January, the controlling shares went to a trust in his wife's name."

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/money/gov- ... 50922.html

Blockhead

keeponrockin wrote:

Can we also attach drug tests to those receiving farm subsidies, oil subsidies, and bank bailouts?

Farms, Oil, Banks all pay taxes... Welfare recipients don't.

keeponrockin

Blockhead wrote:

keeponrockin wrote:

Can we also attach drug tests to those receiving farm subsidies, oil subsidies, and bank bailouts?

Farms, Oil, Banks all pay taxes... Welfare recipients don't.

Every time they buy something they do, don't they?

polaris_x

JonnyPistachio wrote:

Of course, our governor Rick Scott is doing this because he is concerned about how money is spent in Florida.
I'm sure it has nothing to do with this:

"One of the more popular services at Solantic, the urgent care chain co-founded by Florida Gov. Rick Scott, is drug testing, according to Solantic CEO Karen Bowling.

Given Solantic's role in that marketplace, critics are again asking whether Scott's policy initiatives - this time, requiring drug testing of state employees and welfare recipients - are designed to benefit Scott's bottom line.

The Palm Beach Post reported in an exclusive story two weeks ago that while Scott divested his interest in Solantic in January, the controlling shares went to a trust in his wife's name."

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/money/gov- ... 50922.html

you can slap people in the face with it and they still won't get it ... :(

zarocat

One drug test you need to pass before you are able to claim welfare is easy. I think the key is to do random tests after the initial pre-welfare test, and if you fail, you're done. But then, that individual who has a disease known as addiction, starves or turns to other means to supplement the income. Tough waters to navigate but at some point it has to become a cut & dry situation. :?

Blockhead

keeponrockin wrote:

Blockhead wrote:

keeponrockin wrote:

Can we also attach drug tests to those receiving farm subsidies, oil subsidies, and bank bailouts?

Farms, Oil, Banks all pay taxes... Welfare recipients don't.

Every time they buy something they do, don't they?

Yes they are paying taxes with other peoples tax money... (my income tax)

mikepegg44

just fucking legalize drugs already and make the benefits tied to an id. cannot use them unless the id is with them...that makes more sense to me

pandora

mikepegg44 wrote:

just fucking legalize drugs already and make the benefits tied to an id. cannot use them unless the id is with them...that makes more sense to me

Have you seen a young person addicted to drugs? Have you seen them lie and steal, hurt those they love, waste away in body and spirit, lose all dignity as a human being?
We do not want to legalize hard drugs...
we do not want to give up on our young people and say drugs are ok.

We do want to drug test all welfare recipients.

Good job Florida but I see the point Johnny made :(
the greed in this world drives most everyone it seems, most especially those in power.

polaris_x

pandora wrote:

the greed in this world drives most everyone it seems, most especially those in power.

seriously, if people could just see this one very critical point ... we'd be so much better off ... things like left/right rep/dem conservative/liberal would be seen for what they truly are ... labels to distract us from the things that really matter ...

keeponrockin

pandora wrote:

mikepegg44 wrote:

just fucking legalize drugs already and make the benefits tied to an id. cannot use them unless the id is with them...that makes more sense to me

Have you seen a young person addicted to drugs? Have you seen them lie and steal, hurt those they love, waste away in body and spirit, lose all dignity as a human being?
We do not want to legalize hard drugs...
we do not want to give up on our young people and say drugs are ok.

We do want to drug test all welfare recipients.

Good job Florida but I see the point Johnny made :(
the greed in this world drives most everyone it seems, most especially those in power.

But maybe if they were legalized, those with problems would be able to seek help without fear of legal reprocussions. I'm 20, and if everything was legalized tomorrow, I still wouldn't touch anything other than pot.

Godfather.

Blockhead wrote:

keeponrockin wrote:

Can we also attach drug tests to those receiving farm subsidies, oil subsidies, and bank bailouts?

Farms, Oil, Banks all pay taxes... Welfare recipients don't.

OOHHH SNAP ! great call Blockhead.

Godfather.

Godfather.

keeponrockin wrote:

pandora wrote:

mikepegg44 wrote:

just fucking legalize drugs already and make the benefits tied to an id. cannot use them unless the id is with them...that makes more sense to me

Have you seen a young person addicted to drugs? Have you seen them lie and steal, hurt those they love, waste away in body and spirit, lose all dignity as a human being?
We do not want to legalize hard drugs...
we do not want to give up on our young people and say drugs are ok.

We do want to drug test all welfare recipients.

Good job Florida but I see the point Johnny made :(
the greed in this world drives most everyone it seems, most especially those in power.

But maybe if they were legalized, those with problems would be able to seek help without fear of legal reprocussions. I'm 20, and if everything was legalized tomorrow, I still wouldn't touch anything other than pot.

no offense man but that's just not true, anybody with a drug problem can get help with out any fear of legal reprocussions in the US, all they have to do is ask where to go and be willing to accept it,I did and nobody tryed to arrest me....

Godfather.

mikepegg44

pandora wrote:

mikepegg44 wrote:

just fucking legalize drugs already and make the benefits tied to an id. cannot use them unless the id is with them...that makes more sense to me

Have you seen a young person addicted to drugs? Have you seen them lie and steal, hurt those they love, waste away in body and spirit, lose all dignity as a human being?
We do not want to legalize hard drugs...
we do not want to give up on our young people and say drugs are ok.

We do want to drug test all welfare recipients.

Good job Florida but I see the point Johnny made :(
the greed in this world drives most everyone it seems, most especially those in power.

it isn't up to you if someone wants to do drugs though...that is their choice...and if you can walk to the gas station and buy it doesn't that remove some of the inherent trouble with drugs? it would also mean that drug treatment for people would be easier to come by and more accessible...
but who on earth would go out right now and start smoking crack if it were legal? seriously...
there are those that are going to do it anyway, and quite frankly as long as they aren't harming others what is the problem? the property crimes that MAY occur and other worries will actually be more easily handled and investigated by the police no longer overwhelmed with a "war on drugs"
READ THIS
http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1893946,00.html
I reckon a lot less people will have their heads cut off by drug cartels...a lot less people will die unnecessarily from drug overdoses because of poor quality control...make the shit legal and continue to educate on the dangers of overuse...

cincybearcat

keeponrockin wrote:

Blockhead wrote:

keeponrockin wrote:

Can we also attach drug tests to those receiving farm subsidies, oil subsidies, and bank bailouts?

Farms, Oil, Banks all pay taxes... Welfare recipients don't.

Every time they buy something they do, don't they?

Nope, they don't pay taxes on drugs.

keeponrockin

Godfather. wrote:

no offense man but that's just not true, anybody with a drug problem can get help with out any fear of legal reprocussions in the US, all they have to do is ask where to go and be willing to accept it,I did and nobody tryed to arrest me....

Godfather.

I did not know this! Learn something new every day.

pandora

keeponrockin wrote:

pandora wrote:

mikepegg44 wrote:

just fucking legalize drugs already and make the benefits tied to an id. cannot use them unless the id is with them...that makes more sense to me

Have you seen a young person addicted to drugs? Have you seen them lie and steal, hurt those they love, waste away in body and spirit, lose all dignity as a human being?
We do not want to legalize hard drugs...
we do not want to give up on our young people and say drugs are ok.

We do want to drug test all welfare recipients.

Good job Florida but I see the point Johnny made :(
the greed in this world drives most everyone it seems, most especially those in power.

But maybe if they were legalized, those with problems would be able to seek help without fear of legal reprocussions. I'm 20, and if everything was legalized tomorrow, I still wouldn't touch anything other than pot.

legalizing meth, crack, heroin is sending the wrong message...
it is saying they're ok to use

they are not ... what they do to a body and mind is heartbreaking
the user is not the same person they once were.

You are one that was responsible or was able to say no or had no desire in the first place

but there are many who are less inhibited...
much more curious, and perhaps had some very strong 'party genes' to contend with
or parents who set terrible examples with drug use of their own.

Without a doubt pot should be legalized but never these life destroying drugs.

mikepegg44

pandora wrote:

keeponrockin wrote:

pandora wrote:

Have you seen a young person addicted to drugs? Have you seen them lie and steal, hurt those they love, waste away in body and spirit, lose all dignity as a human being?
We do not want to legalize hard drugs...
we do not want to give up on our young people and say drugs are ok.

We do want to drug test all welfare recipients.

Good job Florida but I see the point Johnny made :(
the greed in this world drives most everyone it seems, most especially those in power.

But maybe if they were legalized, those with problems would be able to seek help without fear of legal reprocussions. I'm 20, and if everything was legalized tomorrow, I still wouldn't touch anything other than pot.

legalizing meth, crack, heroin is sending the wrong message...
it is saying they're ok to use

they are not ... what they do to a body and mind is heartbreaking
the user is not the same person they once were.

You are one that was responsible or was able to say no or had no desire in the first place

but there are many who are less inhibited...
much more curious, and perhaps had some very strong 'party genes' to contend with
or parents who set terrible examples with drug use of their own.

Without a doubt pot should be legalized but never these life destroying drugs.

not sure if you saw this link...http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1893946,00.html

i will post some highlights for those not interested in reading it..
this is all after the decriminalization of possession of drugs

"Compared to the European Union and the U.S., Portugal's drug use numbers are impressive. Following decriminalization, Portugal had the lowest rate of lifetime marijuana use in people over 15 in the E.U.: 10%. The most comparable figure in America is in people over 12: 39.8%. Proportionally, more Americans have used cocaine than Portuguese have used marijuana."
In addition, the number of people on methadone and buprenorphine treatment for drug addiction rose to 14,877 from 6,040, after decriminalization, and money saved on enforcement allowed for increased funding of drug-free treatment as well.
At the Cato Institute in early April, Greenwald contended that a major problem with most American drug policy debate is that it's based on "speculation and fear mongering," rather than empirical evidence on the effects of more lenient drug policies. In Portugal, the effect was to neutralize what had become the country's number one public health problem, he says.
"The impact in the life of families and our society is much lower than it was before decriminalization," says Joao Castel-Branco Goulao, Portugual's "drug czar" and president of the Institute on Drugs and Drug Addiction