Awesome Dave Abbruzzese video.

Jeremys Spoken · January 2009

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAYoo5SD ... re=related

Talks about his drums, and the band.

CJMST3K · January 2009

Great find! Did you post it?

Seems like a really cool, nice guy. He inspires me to play.

Jeremys Spoken · January 2009

Hey, I agree awesome vid. No I did not post it, but oddly enough, it was posted yesterday.

Kilgore_Trout · January 2009

VERY COOL! i hope he gets his due respect and say on the vs. and vitalogy re-releases! i never really saw any interview footage with him before now... and DAMN do i miss his playing... he mustve gone through so many drum heads!

12345AGNST1 · January 2009

this thread just reminded me to watch some Matt Cameron vids......

aNiMaL · January 2009

Cool. I put Abbruzzese behind Irons and Cameron, but ahead of Krusen and Chamberlain, in pecking order of PJ drummers.

candleofthought · January 2009

Dave was (and probably is) a great dude! I got to meet him after the Moore Theater show. We even shared a little smoke. He semed sooo happy to be with the band and talked about the show. He even wrote down my buddies phone number but, he never called (jerk! LOL)He signed a PJ fan club flyer for me and a picture of Mookie Blaylock for my friend. I really enjoyed his drumming, I hope to see him show up on some of the re-release stuff.

Given2Fly-Fish · January 2009

That is an awesome clip. I have loved all of the drummers for PJ, but there is something about the way he plays on 10 that is phenomenal and unique. He just kills when he plays.

aNiMaL · January 2009

CO73020 wrote:

That is an awesome clip. I have loved all of the drummers for PJ, but there is something about the way he plays on 10 that is phenomenal and unique. He just kills when he plays.

Dave Krusen is the drummer on Ten, not Dave Abruzzese.

dreamweaver · January 2009

dont mix Jacks part played in pj with drumming skill....

12345AGNST1 · January 2009

dreamweaver wrote:

dont mix Jacks part played in pj with drumming skill....

??? what do you mean by that

Kilgore_Trout · January 2009

12345AGNST1 wrote:

dreamweaver wrote:

dont mix Jacks part played in pj with drumming skill....

??? what do you mean by that

i think he means to say that jack played a larger part in the writing process and the unity of pearl jam as a single entity but that dave A's playing was better... i dont know that i necessarily agree... apples and oranges... it was almost certainly jacks playing (and not just his presence) that explains the odd time signatures and more eastern inspired songs on yield and no code... daves a straight on rock guy for the most part... both great IMO!

CJMST3K · January 2009

12345AGNST1 wrote:

this thread just reminded me to watch some Matt Cameron vids......
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Matt Cameron shits on Dave A

...sigh. really? That's how it's gonna be?

Well, Dave A shits on MC on Blood, Rats, Leash, Solat, Spin TBC, Go, Animal, WMA, Glorified G, Dissident, Last Exit, Tremor Christ, Daughter, Corduroy, Betterman, Immortality, Porch, Why Go, Deep, Jeremy, Garden, Once and even Not For You.

MC doesn't do bad on Release and Black though. But what do I know. I've only been playing a drum kit for a quarter century.

dreamweaver · January 2009

I love jack's playing, but it is definately a bit sloppy.. esp live. on record, his best playing is beautiful. but Dave A was a Monster and so is matt. I've always said, if it weren't for matt stepping in Pj would not be as successful as a touring band or releasing live material as they are now. Krusen played great on ten but when dave stepped in the music drove much smoother. just compare Even Flow on RVM with the Ten version. Notice how much more it drives.

CJMST3K · January 2009

12345AGNST1 wrote:

this thread just reminded me to watch some Matt Cameron vids......
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Matt Cameron shits on Dave A

Yes, let's do that...

The reason I love Dave on pretty much anything early is not only the timing, but his cymbal work. Matt Cameron plays cymbals so infrequently, it's like he's being charged $100 per hit. Some people chalk that up to "subtlety", but I say it's completely boring, dry, and uninspired. And if it's "subtlety", what's with the drumfills being crammed into spaces which make no sense? I agree MC is a monster player, but on the early stuff, Dave rules. Wish there was clearer sound and video on the first, but this'll do for now.

Dave Cam - Evenflow (partial vid)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yq4cIj53ctE

Matt Cam - Evenflow
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjxdBtHixfE

CJMST3K · January 2009

dreamweaver wrote:

I love jack's playing, but it is definately a bit sloppy.. esp live. on record, his best playing is beautiful. but Dave A was a Monster and so is matt. I've always said, if it weren't for matt stepping in Pj would not be as successful as a touring band or releasing live material as they are now. Krusen played great on ten but when dave stepped in the music drove much smoother. just compare Even Flow on RVM with the Ten version. Notice how much more it drives.

I agree 100%.

...by the way, you were at CAA in 1998? Remember Ed saying "and this guy right up here has been holding up signs saying "May I Play Drums With You"... where were you six months ago?"

dreamweaver · January 2009

yeah, was that your sign?

CJMST3K · January 2009

dreamweaver wrote:

yeah, was that your sign?

yup! Actually, it was my 15 signs. I attached them to frizbee shaped matboards, and chucked them at ed the whole night from front row center. He smiled and read them, and showed one to Matt who kinda shrugged his shoulders as if to say "sure, why not". ...but stone.

the whole thing was captured on www.pearljambootlegs.com. it's towards the end of Evolution.

dreamweaver · January 2009

haha, I remember talk about how stone wouldn't let it happen, that's hilarious!

dreamweaver · January 2009

http://www.mtv.ca/news/article.jhtml?id=2820

check this out... if you read down to 1994, it says Dave A. left the band to study music??

dreamweaver · January 2009

http://www.mtv.ca/news/article.jhtml?id=2820

check this out... if you read down to 1994, it says Dave A. left the band to study music??

CJMST3K · January 2009

dreamweaver wrote:

http://www.mtv.ca/news/article.jhtml?id=2820

check this out... if you read down to 1994, it says Dave A. left the band to study music??

Dave said that the band made that up, just so they didn't have to admit they fired him.

...and to your other comment, yeah Ed looked totally up for having me on stage, and Matt seemed ok with it. But when Ed looked at Stone, he just got a look from Stone like "cmon, Ed, lets just move on". Breath was almost played in NJ by yours truly.

dreamweaver · January 2009

haha, that would've been cool.. so u a drummer?

12345AGNST1 · January 2009

CJMST3K wrote:

12345AGNST1 wrote:

this thread just reminded me to watch some Matt Cameron vids......
__________________
Matt Cameron shits on Dave A

Yes, let's do that...

The reason I love Dave on pretty much anything early is not only the timing, but his cymbal work. Matt Cameron plays cymbals so infrequently, it's like he's being charged $100 per hit. Some people chalk that up to "subtlety", but I say it's completely boring, dry, and uninspired. And if it's "subtlety", what's with the drumfills being crammed into spaces which make no sense? I agree MC is a monster player, but on the early stuff, Dave rules. Wish there was clearer sound and video on the first, but this'll do for now.

Dave Cam - Evenflow (partial vid)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yq4cIj53ctE

Matt Cam - Evenflow
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjxdBtHixfE

The matt vid is way better. Dave jsut hits cymbals, thats about it.... If there were 10 different matt cam vids all playing evenflow, I guarentee you every video would be much different. Matt makes up fills on the spot like its his job. He is constantly improvising, and that drum fill at 4:16 is proof. Its completeley random and spontaneous, which is how all drummers shoudl play. You could say Dave improvises more but I would hardly call what he does improvising. And Matt definately plays Not For You better than Dave, same with Corduroy, those are two songs he always adds different things to each time he plays.

Gary Carter · January 2009

CJMST3K wrote:

12345AGNST1 wrote:

this thread just reminded me to watch some Matt Cameron vids......
_______________
Matt Cameron shits on Dave A

...sigh. really? That's how it's gonna be?

Well, Dave A shits on MC on Blood, Rats, Leash, Solat, Spin TBC, Go, Animal, WMA, Glorified G, Dissident, Last Exit, Tremor Christ, Daughter, Corduroy, Betterman, Immortality, Porch, Why Go, Deep, Jeremy, Garden, Once and even Not For You.

MC doesn't do bad on Release and Black though. But what do I know. I've only been playing a drum kit for a quarter century.

outta all 5 pj drummers who does alive the best.

CJMST3K · January 2009

metsfan wrote:

outta all 5 pj drummers who does alive the best.

great question. I didn't list that song in my list above because it's kinda like pizza. Even bad pizza is good pizza. Anyway, I like Matt Chamberlain best, though his history with the band was short. I tried to find the best example of each drummer's version of Alive.

First I like Matt Chamberlain
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCgFYz7VX74

Second I like Dave A
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbhsYC4gKy4

Third I like Matt Cameron
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzBm8IS1 ... re=related

Fourth I like Dave Krusen (bad video, but only one I can find)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANr7z4qBwL4

Fifth I like Jack
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gy_Z-WYciC8

dreamweaver · January 2009

CJMST3K wrote:

metsfan wrote:

outta all 5 pj drummers who does alive the best.

great question. I didn't list that song in my list above because it's kinda like pizza. Even bad pizza is good pizza. Anyway, I like Matt Chamberlain best, though his history with the band was short. I tried to find the best example of each drummer's version of Alive.

First I like Matt Chamberlain
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCgFYz7VX74

Second I like Dave A
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbhsYC4gKy4

Third I like Matt Cameron
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzBm8IS1 ... re=related

Fourth I like Dave Krusen (bad video, but only one I can find)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANr7z4qBwL4

Fifth I like Jack
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gy_Z-WYciC8

I think if you used the Immagine In Cornice Alive instead of that bad performance on Jools Holland, Matt Cameron would at the top. Matt C didn't do anything special for that video and I don't like his loose tempo...

12345AGNST1 · January 2009

dreamweaver wrote:

CJMST3K wrote:

metsfan wrote:

outta all 5 pj drummers who does alive the best.

great question. I didn't list that song in my list above because it's kinda like pizza. Even bad pizza is good pizza. Anyway, I like Matt Chamberlain best, though his history with the band was short. I tried to find the best example of each drummer's version of Alive.

First I like Matt Chamberlain
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCgFYz7VX74

Second I like Dave A
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbhsYC4gKy4

Third I like Matt Cameron
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzBm8IS1 ... re=related

Fourth I like Dave Krusen (bad video, but only one I can find)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANr7z4qBwL4

Fifth I like Jack
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gy_Z-WYciC8

I think if you used the Immagine In Cornice Alive instead of that bad performance on Jools Holland, Matt Cameron would at the top. Matt C didn't do anything special for that video and I don't like his loose tempo...

yyyuupp.... Matts performance for alive was much better in IIC. Anyway I think Matt plays alive best. His drum fills during the solo fit in perfectly with mikes guitar and the crowd shouting "yeah!!!" It adds so much to it. I also have to say that Jack plays it the worst too....soooooo boring.

CJMST3K · January 2009

Here's a link to the Alive from Cornice.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFML5cZOmhI

As I meant to say before, Chamberlain, Abbruzzese and Cameron are all pretty good. While I think Chamberlain is the best on that song, I enjoy Abbruzzese a close second, and Matt not too far behind that. It's a pretty basic song really. Not too much for the differences to be noticed on.

CJMST3K · January 2009

12345AGNST1 wrote:

Dave jsut hits cymbals, thats about it....

Well, no that's not all Dave does. He also times his crashes to the guitar changes. Look at this video of Blood. Listen to the timing of Dave's crashes. He hits them four times, each time around, timed with the guitar changes:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulEcTSUyWwY

Now listen to Matt on the same song. He's ignoring the guitar changes, and hits the crash cymbals 6 times each time around. It's like he's ignoring the music. Sounds as arbitrary as a toy monkey drumming. Even Jack Irons played this song better.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fc3XClcTI-s

I could also go into the lack of MC's hihat rudiments on this song, but I'll leave that whole thing alone for the moment to keep things shorter.

12345AGNST1 wrote:

If there were 10 different matt cam vids all playing evenflow, I guarentee you every video would be much different. Matt makes up fills on the spot like its his job.

I agree. He likes to make stuff up a lot. He plays lots of fills, and does it different every time. I love improvisation when it fits. On evenflow (and others) he puts it in places it doesn't fit (though you're making it clear you do like it).

On songs like evenflow, he plays it super basic for 90% of the song, then crams fills in to the other 10%. Doesn't jive. It fits HIS style, but that doesn't fit with the song. I think songs like Severed Hand and so on, he rocks those toms, and it sounds great. On songs like evenflow, he forces fills, and does nothing but bore me the rest of the time. There's a reason it's a bathroom break song now, when it used to not be, and it's not because of the age of the song.

Dave came up with his own improvised version of evenflow, and then kept that arrangement whenever he played it. It was a busy arrangement, but he kept it tight, bright, and wet.

12345AGNST1 wrote:

Its completeley random and spontaneous, which is how all drummers shoudl play.

I don't think all drummers should play random and spontaneous. I prefer listening to songs and playing drums for the musicality of it, and how well it works with a particular song. Most often that means not playing randomly, just as a singer singing random, spontaneous words would also not work on most songs. Or a guitarist or bassist playing random, spontaneous chords would typically not work (except a during a deliberate solo).

12345AGNST1 wrote:

You could say Dave improvises more but I would hardly call what he does improvising

I wouldn't say Dave was a improviser. He is extremely technical, in a similar way to how tool's Danny Carey is extremely technical but doesn't seem to improvise, and I think that Dave simply didn't want to inject random drum fills, and drum solos into places that it didn't fit. MC doesn't seem to mind doing just that, regardless if it fits.

PJ's later albums have a lot of tom work, which is built around MC's strengths so those songs live with the improvisations work quite well - but put on a recent Porch live, and it simply, completely bores me, where before it had SO much energy and life with Dave.

And Carey can easily kick the shit out of all of the PJ drummers, including Cameron, and still have time for ice cream.

12345AGNST1 wrote:

And Matt definately plays Not For You better than Dave, same with Corduroy

I disagree on NFY. Dave was tighter. Dave played it extremely tight, and then exploded into a loose hihat, then back to very tight. Watch the video - explodes at 0:55 and back very tight and SIMPLE at 1:15. Dave kept it a simple 1 snare hit to 1 bass hit for the majority of the song. I enjoyed the lack-of-swing that the song had, as it had an extremely straight forward, determined drive to it. Almost hypnotic in it's simplicity during the tight parts.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8z7eZGRlKd0

When MC plays it, he adds a lot more bass drum hits to it. Like twice as many. He's also looser on the hihat. (skip to 1:00 mark)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZPa1EPYHkE

On Corduroy, I've kinda grown to like MC's improvisations on that, because the rest of the band is jamming too. Reminds me of seeing the Grateful Dead back in the early 90's.

I've gotta ask 12345AGNST1, are there ANY pj songs you prefer Dave A over MC on? Or do you simply have a blanket policy that MC is the best drummer on every song they ever made. (I'm excluding Krusen, Chamberlain and Irons intentionally)

Gary Carter · January 2009

CJMST3K wrote:

metsfan wrote:

outta all 5 pj drummers who does alive the best.

great question. I didn't list that song in my list above because it's kinda like pizza. Even bad pizza is good pizza. Anyway, I like Matt Chamberlain best, though his history with the band was short. I tried to find the best example of each drummer's version of Alive.

First I like Matt Chamberlain
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCgFYz7VX74

Second I like Dave A
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbhsYC4gKy4

Third I like Matt Cameron
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzBm8IS1 ... re=related

Fourth I like Dave Krusen (bad video, but only one I can find)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANr7z4qBwL4

Fifth I like Jack
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gy_Z-WYciC8

thanks for answering the question in the best way you can.i'll have to dl a few shows with chamberlain.

Awesome Dave Abbruzzese video.

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