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So, uh, anybody ever been on probation?

slightofjeffslightofjeff Posts: 7,762
edited August 2011 in All Encompassing Trip
I'm probably going to be on probation during PJ20. How ... uh ... strict you think they'll be about this whole "no drinking at all" thing?
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  • nsepstrunsepstru Posts: 187
    supervised or unsupervised, are on probation in WI or elsewhere? When I was on probation I had to get permission to leave the state. Also if you don't do anything stupid to get yourself in trouble or give cops/security a reason to check you out you will probably be fine.
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  • FenwayFaithfulFenwayFaithful Posts: 8,626
    I was on double secret probation in college
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  • slightofjeffslightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    It will probably be supervised. Haven't been sentenced yet, but I've already talked to my lawyer about having to leave the state for this trip and (more importantly) for several work-related trips over the course of the year. He says it shouldn't be a problem if we mention it to the judge at my court date.

    I'm more worried if I have a couple of beers during the weekend, then they piss test me on Tuesday or something. Does this kind of thing happen?
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  • nsepstrunsepstru Posts: 187
    well I'm pretty sure your body metabolises alcohol relatively fast, it's not something that stays in your blood for a significant amount of time so that shouldn't be an issue. However as for the frequency of testing I can't really attest to that.
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  • nsepstrunsepstru Posts: 187
    I was lucky enough to have unsupervised probation. So long as I didn't do anything stupid or have any runins with the law I didn't have to report to anyone.
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  • slightofjeffslightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    I figure if I have a beer or two, and it's only a beer or two, I should be fine.

    Part of me, however, has no inclination to fuck with the terms of my probation in any way, shape or form.
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  • normnorm Posts: 31,146
    are you being tested? or is it on your honor type thing?
  • JOEJOEJOEJOEJOEJOE Posts: 10,483
    slightofjeff wrote:
    I'm probably going to be on probation during PJ20. How ... uh ... strict you think they'll be about this whole "no drinking at all" thing?

    If you do violate probabtion, what would happen?

    Not sure it is worth the risk!
  • slightofjeffslightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    As far as I know right now -- and, again, I haven't been sentenced yet -- they reserve the right to randomly test my piss anytime they feel like it.

    Whether they will actually do that -- and, if so, how frequently -- I have no idea.

    I guess what I'm wondering, from people who have been in my shoes before, is: How serious are they about this, really? When they say "not a single beer" do they *really* mean "not a single beer."

    If I have a beer or two on a Friday, will they be able to detect it on Tuesday after I get back?
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  • slightofjeffslightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    JOEJOEJOE wrote:
    slightofjeff wrote:
    I'm probably going to be on probation during PJ20. How ... uh ... strict you think they'll be about this whole "no drinking at all" thing?

    If you do violate probabtion, what would happen?

    Not sure it is worth the risk!

    Believe me, I'm totally leaning this way.

    I'm not trying to get shitfaced. I am literally wondering about the effects of one or two beers.
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  • JOEJOEJOEJOEJOEJOE Posts: 10,483
    slightofjeff wrote:
    JOEJOEJOE wrote:
    slightofjeff wrote:
    I'm probably going to be on probation during PJ20. How ... uh ... strict you think they'll be about this whole "no drinking at all" thing?

    If you do violate probabtion, what would happen?

    Not sure it is worth the risk!

    Believe me, I'm totally leaning this way.

    I'm not trying to get shitfaced. I am literally wondering about the effects of one or two beers.

    Just remember that no one has ever been successful in court by saying "But the dudes on the PJ website said it would be ok!"
    :)

    Be safe, my friend.
  • slightofjeffslightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    JOEJOEJOE wrote:

    Just remember that no one has ever been successful in court by saying "But the dudes on the PJ website said it would be ok!"
    :)

    Be safe, my friend.

    Ha .. I know that. :)

    Basically, I'm looking for people who have been in my shoes before, and how they handled it, and what the outcome is. I'm not looking for anyone's permission. ;)
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  • JOEJOEJOEJOEJOEJOE Posts: 10,483
    slightofjeff wrote:
    JOEJOEJOE wrote:

    Just remember that no one has ever been successful in court by saying "But the dudes on the PJ website said it would be ok!"
    :)

    Be safe, my friend.

    Ha .. I know that. :)

    Basically, I'm looking for people who have been in my shoes before, and how they handled it, and what the outcome is. I'm not looking for anyone's permission. ;)

    Duly noted! ;)
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 37,965
    All these questions and more can be asked of your probation officer. You can bet the first meeting will require a test. You'll also find out how often you'll need to see them. After that it is at their discretion. All depends on how cool your officer is, previous record, etc.....
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  • pjfan31pjfan31 Posts: 7,331
    I think it is too big of a risk.... Hypothetically, something goes down police question you over anything... Security are fuck wits and go to kick you out and you kick up a stink.... being a witness to something who nows, and cops say 'have you had anything to drink today?' Whatever it be... Is it a risk you are willing to take?
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  • Johnny AbruzzoJohnny Abruzzo Posts: 11,385
    My father-in-law was on probation and just didn't drink anything. It's probably not worth the worrying I would guess. Good luck man - that sucks. This country has never really let go of Prohibition.
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  • mysticweedmysticweed Posts: 3,710
    yes
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 48,572
    Johnny Abruzzo wrote:
    My father-in-law was on probation and just didn't drink anything. It's probably not worth the worrying I would guess. Good luck man - that sucks. This country has never really let go of Prohibition.

    how did he not die of dehydration? :o


    this probation is due to a dui right? things have gotten waaaay more strict than when i got mine back in the '01/'02 days....

    my brother got his 2nd recently. he had to serve some jail time then was on house arrest for 3 months where he was not allowed to drink. probabtion officer said no alcohol could be in the house and that he would conduct random searches/tests. my bro lives with my parents so this was no fun for them. also occured during the holiday season so it was not fun for me. :lol: ...............

    for what it's worth, the house never got searched once and he was never randomly tested.
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  • EmBleveEmBleve Posts: 3,019
    I'm not sure, but isn't a drug test different than an alcohol test? Or will they do both?
    Good luck. :)
  • slightofjeffslightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    Can they really detect it if you drank one or two beers a few days earlier?

    And I mean literally one or two beers. Not the "one or two beers" you tell the cops, that actually means "12."
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  • Johnny AbruzzoJohnny Abruzzo Posts: 11,385
    The Juggler wrote:
    Johnny Abruzzo wrote:
    My father-in-law was on probation and just didn't drink anything. It's probably not worth the worrying I would guess. Good luck man - that sucks. This country has never really let go of Prohibition.

    how did he not die of dehydration? :o

    this probation is due to a dui right? things have gotten waaaay more strict than when i got mine back in the '01/'02 days....

    my brother got his 2nd recently. he had to serve some jail time then was on house arrest for 3 months where he was not allowed to drink. probabtion officer said no alcohol could be in the house and that he would conduct random searches/tests. my bro lives with my parents so this was no fun for them. also occured during the holiday season so it was not fun for me. :lol: ...............

    for what it's worth, the house never got searched once and he was never randomly tested.

    DUI, yup. Yeah they gave him all those rules too. It happened in Florida. But he came up to see us a couple times, and we certainly didn't clear out the house of alcohol. We were mad at him for his stupidity. He got wasted at home, and then went out and drove to a casino at well over .20. it's not like it was one too many over dinner or something. Then he ignored his lawyer's advice and ended up in prison for 2 weeks, and was complaining about how horrible it was. Duh! Also, my wife found out about this when she was 7 or 8 months pregnant.

    He has gotten through the probation, so hopefully it doesn't happen again (2 times already). When he hangs out with us he's very reasonable, having maybe 3 or 4 glasses of wine and passing out. :?
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  • HorosHoros Posts: 4,518
    I've been on probation and parole. It's seemed to be more at the discretion of the PO. Was your offense alcohol related? If so then I would think they would test you for it. None of my crimes were ever drug or alcohol related. I was only tested a couple of times during my stint and I am sure I was positive for pot. The PO never said anything.

    Basically I think the POs deal with it on a case to case basis. So no one's experience is going to be the same.

    Pretty sure booze is out of your system in a day or two.
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  • pandorapandora Posts: 21,855
    I know a little about all this unfortunately... second hand

    no they can't detect alcohol after 3 days time

    yes they will test whether or not your offense was alcohol related... test for drugs too of course

    someone asked what they will do if you test positive

    they will toss your butt in jail and you will spend a few days to see the judge

    but it would be the next violation of probation that you will then probably be denied probation
    and serve out your time...
    usually lesser than probation real time.

    Some choose this to get it over with and get back to enjoying their life
    hopefully with more caution and free from hassle.

    Its a process of learning to be vwery careful wabbitseason.gif... drinking at all is not be vwery careful while on probation.
  • slightofjeffslightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    Thanks for sharing, all.

    Yes, my probation is going to be as the result of a DWI, though the official charge is going to get reduced to obstruction of a highway (sort of a standard thing they do in this county for first-time offenders whose cases just aren't ridiculously stupid).

    To those who might know: How do they go about randomly testing you? Do they show up at your house? Or do they do it at the various meetings you are required to attend?

    As you can tell, I know nothing about any of this. I am a complete amateur when it comes to breaking the law.
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  • pandorapandora Posts: 21,855
    slightofjeff wrote:
    Thanks for sharing, all.

    Yes, my probation is going to be as the result of a DWI, though the official charge is going to get reduced to obstruction of a highway (sort of a standard thing they do in this county for first-time offenders whose cases just aren't ridiculously stupid).

    To those who might know: How do they go about randomly testing you? Do they show up at your house? Or do they do it at the various meetings you are required to attend?

    As you can tell, I know nothing about any of this. I am a complete amateur when it comes to breaking the law.
    Once a month, it is when you go see your probation officer and you pay for the test


    obstruction of a highway :? :lol:

    sounds very lenient not so in the South
  • 8181 Posts: 58,276
    you already broke the law once with the dwi, no need to go and break it again so soon with a probation violation
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  • slightofjeffslightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    pandora wrote:
    slightofjeff wrote:
    Thanks for sharing, all.

    Yes, my probation is going to be as the result of a DWI, though the official charge is going to get reduced to obstruction of a highway (sort of a standard thing they do in this county for first-time offenders whose cases just aren't ridiculously stupid).

    To those who might know: How do they go about randomly testing you? Do they show up at your house? Or do they do it at the various meetings you are required to attend?

    As you can tell, I know nothing about any of this. I am a complete amateur when it comes to breaking the law.
    Once a month, it is when you go see your probation officer and you pay for the test


    obstruction of a highway :? :lol:

    sounds very lenient not so in the South

    I actually am in the South. And I thought it sounded lenient, too ... until I looked into it.

    My county has a big hard-on now about drunk driving, and for good reason I suppose. In the past several months several police officers have been killed or injured by drunk drivers ... it's become a big political issue, and of course, the district attorney is an elected position.

    They established this "obstruction of a highway" business in order to reduce the backlog of cases to prosecute. But they still want to be seen as "tough on DWIs". So ... this obstruction deal, which you have 60 days from the date of arrest to accept, is the only deal you are going to get.

    If you refuse, your only other alternative is to hire a lawyer for $10K, take it to trial, and try to beat the charge. During the trial, the DA won't offer any other deal -- be it OAH, or reckless driving, or public intoxication or anything else. You will either be found not guilty, or you will be convicted of a DWI.

    If you take the OAH deal, they still hammer you pretty hard. You get a year probation, supervised, with all that entails. Plus, you have to install and pay for a breath machine on your car for six months. I'm sure there will be alcohol awareness classes and what not as well.

    Plus, the conviction can never be expunged. It is on your record for life.

    The only upside is, you don't have the letters DWI on your record, and you don't lose your license.
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  • slightofjeffslightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    81 wrote:
    you already broke the law once with the dwi, no need to go and break it again so soon with a probation violation

    I agree, in theory.

    But I'm sure at some point during the next year, I'll also drive 57 in a 55.
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  • normnorm Posts: 31,146
    hire Lindsay's lawyers
  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 48,572
    your other thread should be merged with this one.
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