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keeponrockin

What about flags/stickers for sports teams?

Who Princess

Thoughts_Arrive wrote:

Why are you telling me how lovely your gay neighbours are?
Did I say that gay people are bad people?

Nope. Just that they want to impose their so-called values on others.

My point about my neighbors (who are more typical of almost all the gays I know than otherwise) is that they seem to espouse most of what you refer to as traditional values. They own a home, work at jobs, and have lived in a monogamous relationship longer than some of the straight people I know.

You seem to want the more outrageously visible gays to stop that sort of behavior. Have gays cornered the market on behaving badly in public? Have you read anything about Arnold Schwarnegger recently? Do you consider him an embarrassment to straight people or just a famous person who made a fool of himself?

While we're talking about former U.S. governors, how about Eliot Spitzer of New York and Mark Sanford of South Carolina? So 3 former state governors (out of 50) have admitted to extramarital affairs. Based on that, should I assume that all governors cheat on their spouses?

I remember your thread about rainbow flags. I wondered at the time why it was such a big deal to you. Some people enjoy letting others know what ideas/groups/beliefs they identify with. Big deal. I see political stickers that I can't believe somebody would want on their car. Of the approximately 2 seconds you may look at it in traffic, how does a sticker interfere with your life?

JonnyPistachio

Thoughts_Arrive wrote:

I made a thread a few months ago about flying the flag.
I often see cars with the rainbow flag stickered to the windscreen or bumper or a flag on the car.
Why is there a need for that?
Talking about imposing their values on the world......

Its all how you perceive it. Maybe you should think differently about it for a minute. You say that a sticker is "imposing values on the world"...

Maybe their intention was "support".. same as a PJ sticker, a cross, a darwin fish, etc. Sure some are beliefs, some are sexual orientation, some are simply support for somehting.

I didnt put a PJ sticker on my ride to try to get people to listen to them. I put it there because that's something about me, and I enjoy having it there.

Prince Of Dorkness

Thoughts_Arrive wrote:

Don't get upset if people want to uphold traditional values.
What are you trying to do? Make your values the norm and the traditional values the minority?
Just get on with your lives, live how you want to live, noone cares.

I think it's pretty obvious that YOU care.

A lot.

I'm doing what you just told me to do... living my life, living how I want to live. And that includes partying in the odd pride parade and flying my flag every so often.

I'm certainly not upset if you want to uphold your "traditional values" (although nobody seems to be able to explain to me what that means), but you sure seem to have your panties in a bunch that us gay people are being gay where you can see it.

No. i'm not trying to make my "values" the "norm" at all. I don't want to change anything about you. But you clearly are upset that us gay people won't hide from you so you won't feel so put upon.

Prince Of Dorkness

Thoughts_Arrive wrote:

I was referring to the Sydney Gay Mardi Gras, here is the wikipedia article....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sydney_Gay ... Mardi_Gras

I know you were.

and I was refering to Mardi Gras in America... An event obviously organized by heterosexual activists!!

http://www.xtube.com/paid_channels/play ... pe=preview

(that link is NSFW, by the way, don't click it in front of your boss).

Watch that video and tell me where I can see "traditional values" please?

Prince Of Dorkness

Thoughts_Arrive wrote:

I made a thread a few months ago about flying the flag.
I often see cars with the rainbow flag stickered to the windscreen or bumper or a flag on the car.
Why is there a need for that?
Talking about imposing their values on the world......

Are you fucking kidding me?

I see Christians wearing cross earring and necklaces, that "Jesus Fish" thing on their cars.. Christians handing out leaflets and comic books intended to bring people to their churches.

The Salvation Army, for fuck's sake.

Countless "God Marches" and billboards all over the place saying "Jesus is the way" and "God is watching you" and "the Rapture is May 21st."

And while we're talking about "imposing their values on the world," let's talk about laws meant to take away the rights of gays and lesbians, shall we? Let's talk about ministers preaching hate against gay teenagers, let's talk about Christians forcing their "values" on the world. Because I'll win that one, [inappropriate comment removed]

I, however, have no problem with people flying a Christian flag or having a Jesus Fish bumper sticker... if that represents who and what you are... you show it off. Makes us all individual. Can you imagine how boring the world would be if we were all the same?

I'll have my rainbow sticker if I want. And I'm sorry if my not hiding from you makes you feel like I'm forcing my "values" on you. By the way... what "values" is it that I have that you don't?

Thoughts_Arrive

Ok...... yeah.... people have gone off about other things that were not in my posts.
Governors, Arnie, Hetero parades etc.
I am done with this topic, I said what I had to say, I stand by it.
And don't call me honey.

Prince Of Dorkness

Thoughts_Arrive wrote:

Ok...... yeah.... people have gone off about other things that were not in my posts.
Governors, Arnie, Hetero parades etc.
I am done with this topic, I said what I had to say, I stand by it.
And don't call me honey.

So it's OK for you to rag on gay parades but as soon as I show you that the straight parades are just as bad if not worse... that's off limits (since it proves you wrong).

You're allowed to whine about how nobody is standing up for your "traditional values" and when I say "so do it yourself" you burst into tears.

You can bitch about gay people displaying a flag that represents their community but when it's pointed out it's no different from Christians and Peal Jam fans identifying themselves as what they are... well THAT's just too much for your tender sensibilities.

[inappropriate comment removed]

Thoughts_Arrive

Never knew straight parades existed, I always thought that was a Brazil cultural thing.
Oh so now you resort to name calling, calling me honey.
[inappropriate comment removed]

Thoughts_Arrive

"You're allowed to whine about how nobody is standing up for your "traditional values" and when I say "so do it yourself" you burst into tears."


Where, when?
Making things up now to ay?

Prince Of Dorkness

Thoughts_Arrive wrote:

Never knew straight parades existed, I always thought that was a Brazil cultural thing.

And... there are no straight people in Brazil?



(to be fair, I've never met a Brazilian man who wouldn't give it up... so... yeah, possibly not.)



The point is that your double standards are... pretty silly. You want gay people to hide from you, not identify ourselves, stop throwing our own parties, stop having our own values, stop being ourselves... yet you seem to want to freedom to do those things yourself.

Just because gay pride parades are crazy and outrageous (which is just us having some fun... most of us have day jobs and families and houses the rest of the year), doesn't mean straight people don't do all the same things. Us fags just do it better. :twisted:

Thoughts_Arrive

Shhh!
You are ruining this NWA song I am listening to.

Thoughts_Arrive

Btw, I am against Christians parading or any religion parading.
I don't like religion being rammed down peoples throats.
You make some assumption that I support that because I am straight? :?

Prince Of Dorkness

[inappropriate comments removed]

Thoughts_Arrive

When did I say that nobody was standing up for "my traditional values"?
I just pointed out why such a fuss if an organisation wants to promote traditional values, if you read back you will see that....

Prince Of Dorkness

Thoughts_Arrive wrote:

When did I say that nobody was standing up for "my traditional values"?
I just pointed out why such a fuss if an organisation wants to promote traditional values, if you read back you will see that....

Um... ok, then.. what did you mean by..

Thoughts_Arrive wrote:

So you all want them to hammer home the message of alternative values and none on traditional values?

And this..

Thoughts_Arrive wrote:

What are you trying to do? Make your values the norm and the traditional values the minority?

And what's so funny is that you TOTALLY didn't understand the original article. At all.

Nobody is "making a fuss" about someone wanting to "promote traditional values" (you still haven't explained to me what that means). The article is saying that if a school allows a gay group to form their own club, they have to give money for a straight version. Whether anyone wants to start one or not. Sounds more like a few terrified Christians shoving THEIR "values" down other people's throats.

Don't ya think?

Thoughts_Arrive

How is that me saying that nobody is promoting traditional values lol?
I am saying they have every right to hammer home the message of traditional values, just as much right as you hammering home your values, both have the same rights to promote their values.
It appears me that you get angry that they want to promote traditional values hence me saying that second quoted line.

Traditional values = hetero relationship (man and woman) / marriage / having a family.....

Sounds like they want to maintain the traditional values yes.

Prince Of Dorkness

Thoughts_Arrive wrote:

How is that me saying that nobody is promoting traditional values lol?
I am saying they have every right to hammer home the message of traditional values, just as much right as you hammering home your values, both have the same rights to promote their values.
It appears me that you get angry that they want to promote traditional values hence me saying that second quoted line.

Traditional values = hetero relationship (man and woman) / marriage / having a family.....

Sounds like they want to maintain the traditional values yes.

So.... You didn't actually read the article and have just [inappropriate comment removed] unaware? And here I thought you were doing it for sport.

Nobody is angry that anyone wants to "promote traditional values."

Because (a) nobody needs to (straight relationships aren't under attack) and (b) nobody wants to. Do YOU feel the need for a "traditional values community center?"

And I had to giggle at your definition of "traditional values." A "man/woman" marriage is a traditional family "structure." And nobody wants to take that away from you. A traditional "value" is something like love and support and maybe religion. Things like a strong family bond, spending time together and backing each other up. And us gay people have all those same values in our families.

Kat

How many times does it need to be said? No Personal Comments. When you debate, you discuss the topic, not the person you're debating. This is basic. It's the foundation of discussion and if you break that rule, you concede your side of the discussion immmediately. Whatever you say after that means nothing because you broke the #1 rule.

It's your choice to have your account be read-only, not mine. Please remember that and thank you.

Added: Human rights and equality are important issues so I'm going to leave this thread open for now but you all need to get it going in a more appropriate direction. What is the answer to the situation mentioned in that article?

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gimmesometruth27

i view marriage in a legal sense, and when it is applied like that you should be able to enter into that leagl contract with whomever you wish regardless of gender.