i view marriage in a legal sense, and when it is applied like that you should be able to enter into that leagl contract with whomever you wish regardless of gender.
I have tried for many years to understand why someone would be against someone else getting married to a carrot if they want to....ten wives...who gives a shit...ten husbands...good luck...
no one has ever given me a good reason why anyone or anything shouldn't be able to be married...if it is simply a religious objection it isn't a good argument...not everyone is religious and tax breaks/ other rights shouldn't be given to those that follow the path of a particular religion if they are denied to others for no reason other than religion
denying any american access to the same legal rights as married couples have because you don't agree with their choice of partner is stupid at best....I should be able to have anyone I want on my health plan...if I am paying for it who cares?
but as far as the issues brought up in the article...i have no problem when minorities want to form groups, centers, and any other things that can help people who are involved in that group a place to feel whole.
that’s right! Can’t we all just get together and focus on our real enemies: monogamous gays and stem cells… - Ned Flanders
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
i view marriage in a legal sense, and when it is applied like that you should be able to enter into that leagl contract with whomever you wish regardless of gender.
I have tried for many years to understand why someone would be against someone else getting married to a carrot if they want to....ten wives...who gives a shit...ten husbands...good luck...
no one has ever given me a good reason why anyone or anything shouldn't be able to be married...if it is simply a religious objection it isn't a good argument...not everyone is religious and tax breaks/ other rights shouldn't be given to those that follow the path of a particular religion if they are denied to others for no reason other than religion
denying any american access to the same legal rights as married couples have because you don't agree with their choice of partner is stupid at best....I should be able to have anyone I want on my health plan...if I am paying for it who cares?
but as far as the issues brought up in the article...i have no problem when minorities want to form groups, centers, and any other things that can help people who are involved in that group a place to feel whole.
Excellent point made by the both of you.
The biggest opposition is simply Religion.
i view marriage in a legal sense, and when it is applied like that you should be able to enter into that leagl contract with whomever you wish regardless of gender.
I have tried for many years to understand why someone would be against someone else getting married to a carrot if they want to....ten wives...who gives a shit...ten husbands...good luck...
no one has ever given me a good reason why anyone or anything shouldn't be able to be married...if it is simply a religious objection it isn't a good argument...not everyone is religious and tax breaks/ other rights shouldn't be given to those that follow the path of a particular religion if they are denied to others for no reason other than religion
denying any american access to the same legal rights as married couples have because you don't agree with their choice of partner is stupid at best....I should be able to have anyone I want on my health plan...if I am paying for it who cares?
but as far as the issues brought up in the article...i have no problem when minorities want to form groups, centers, and any other things that can help people who are involved in that group a place to feel whole.
Excellent point made by the both of you.
The biggest opposition is simply Religion.
I agree!
''The bible says marriage is between a man and a woman.''
that is seriously the argument. riddankulous.
Don't get upset if people want to uphold traditional values.
What are you trying to do? Make your values the norm and the traditional values the minority?
Just get on with your lives, live how you want to live, noone cares.
Do you have any idea how hypocritical and obtuse you are coming off as?
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Don't get upset if people want to uphold traditional values.
What are you trying to do? Make your values the norm and the traditional values the minority?
Just get on with your lives, live how you want to live, noone cares.
Sounds to me like you care. A lot. Have you thought about taking your own advice?
I get the impression that most gays just want to live the kind of ordinary lives that straight people take for granted. Not impose their "values" (whatever that means) on the rest of the world.
I've had gay friends for most of my life and had many gay co-workers. Nobody's ever imposed their views on me or tried to "convert" me. But plenty of straight people try to do those things to them. Gays can't marry in most of the U.S., don't have the family privileges most of us take for granted (can't make medical decisions for a loved one or inherit property without lots of legal rigamarole), face threats of physical violence just for who they are, are told God hates them (yes, some gays want to practice a religion), and get lumped into broad categories like drag queens or the folks participating in your Sydney Mardi Gras parade. Does this sound like stuff that people would chose?
The gay couple that live across the street for me aren't terribly different from me and my husband. They go to their jobs, work in their yard, hold garage sales with other neighbors, go to church--yawn! Some outrageous lifestyle. They've lived there over 10 years and they're about as nice neighbors as I could ask.
I don't know if you completely read the OP's original article. The point of the law isn't to give "equal opportunity" to "oppressed" straight organizations on campuses. It's to get rid of gay organizations. I don't think a law like that is remotely necessary.
I made a thread a few months ago about flying the flag.
I often see cars with the rainbow flag stickered to the windscreen or bumper or a flag on the car.
Why is there a need for that?
Talking about imposing their values on the world......
Read your first quoted post. You are the one trying to impose your view and values on them. They can do whatever they want with their car and wave whatever flag they want. You are the one with the problem. Just get on with your life. Let others live equally and be on your way. Why get so worked up about it? Unless you are closeted and ashamed...
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nowadays hits you when you're young
When did I say that nobody was standing up for "my traditional values"?
I just pointed out why such a fuss if an organisation wants to promote traditional values, if you read back you will see that....
You are backpedaling. Slick.
It has NOTHING to do with not wanting a 'traditional values organization'. It is about the government imposing a rule that is ridiculous and an insult to LGBT organizations that are trying to do real good. It also punishes universities by forcing them to spend more money than they have to, thus punishing the LGBT groups by making them more of a financial burden, in the eyes of the school. It is obviously bs because there is no need for a 'traditional values' group, since our society has and still pushes those views on everyone, especially in Texas. This is just a joke.
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Very often when faced with how silly their arguments are, people will go to the "I was just..." or "he started it" excuse.
For the record... I have no problem, nor have I ever, with Christian or conservative groups on college campuses which are supposed to encourage thought. Thought that I don't have to agree with. I also am a vegan but not the kind who goes around telling people "meat stinks."
But I expect the same courtesy. Allow me to live my life and express myself how I want, so long as it doesn't infringe on your rights. And your right to "not have to live with gay people" doesn't exist.
As a native Texan I can attest that we're not all a bunch of rednecks but the legislature is in a category all by itself. Because the legislative session is nearly over, this bill will probably die but for the wrong reasons. The lege can't agree on a school funding bill and they only have a few days left to work it out. This could come up when they reconvene in 2 years (yes, folks, the legislature of this huge state only meets every other year!) and could possibly work its way through, depending on the political climate. With Rick Perry in office, things are likely to continue to cater to a small, ultraconservative, religious faction.
On the other hand, Perry may decide to run for prez and the whole country can find out what a dumbass he is. He swears he doesn't want the job but he sure acts like he's campaigning for it.
It never ceases to amuse me that anti-gay marriage activists claim letting gay people get married will ruin the sanctity of marriage - even though half of them are onto their third wives themselves. My wife and I are happily married, and one of our best friends is gay - if Louisiana ever legalizes gay marriage and she marries her girlfriend of six years, it won't change the relationship I have with my wife in the least.
The other argument I find to be completely ridiculous is the whole, "It's a slippery slope! If we legalize gay marriage, then before you know it we'll be legalizing bestiality!" Give me a freaking break - that's like saying you should stop people from eating steak because they might want to eat people next.
As for having gay rights shoved down my throat... not once have any of my gay friends tried to convince me their lifestyle is better than mine. Their entire argument (and I completely agree) is that they're the same and deserve to be treated the same. The reason minority groups have their own associations on college campuses is because a lot of people try their damnedest to alienate them and make them feel unwelcome, and they need a place to go where they can be themselves without having insults hurled at them.
Funnily enough, I've only ever seen one group of people actually try and shove their views down the throats of other people. I've never seen gay people stand in the middle of campus and say gay people are better than straight people. I've never seen African Americans stand in the middle of campus and say African Americans are better than non-African Americans. I've never seen Mexicans stand in the middle of campus and say Mexicans are better than non-Mexicans. I've never seen Jews stand in the middle of campus and say Jews are better than non-Jews. I've never seen Muslims stand in the middle of campus and say Muslims are better than non-Muslims. I know a number of gay people, African Americans, Mexicans, Jews, and Muslims, and they all pretty much just want the same rights as everyone else, and they want to be able to get through a day without someone telling them they're inferior.
But damn, I've long since lost count of the number of times I've seen Christian preachers in the middle of campus telling everyone they're leading terrible lives if they're not a Christian, and telling people they'll go to Hell for the way they dress and behave. They are the only people I've ever seen actively try and recruit people to join their way of life in public. They are the only people I've ever seen try and force their way of life upon others.
I have no problem whatsoever with minorities getting their own place to hang out on a college campus. If they want somewhere they can relax and not worry about people looking down their noses at them (or worse), then it makes no difference to me. The "majority" doesn't need a place of its own any more than it needs a day of its own or a month of its own. When you get your own way 365 days a year, 12 months a year, and you know you're the dominant face everywhere you go, you don't need shelter from any storm - you ARE the storm.
And I listen for the voice inside my head... nothing. I'll do this one myself.
The other argument I find to be completely ridiculous is the whole, "It's a slippery slope! If we legalize gay marriage, then before you know it we'll be legalizing bestiality!" Give me a freaking break - that's like saying you should stop people from eating steak because they might want to eat people next.
The other argument I find to be completely ridiculous is the whole, "It's a slippery slope! If we legalize gay marriage, then before you know it we'll be legalizing bestiality!" Give me a freaking break - that's like saying you should stop people from eating steak because they might want to eat people next.
my response to that line of thinking is always...so what? who cares if your neighbor marries his dog...as long as he is following the laws of the state he lives in regarding treatment of the animal what is wrong with marrying a dog, a carrot, a computer, a rubber doll...it doesn't matter to me...it doesn't make anyone less married. I find it interesting that the personal freedom is only an ideal that people hold dear until someone might do something they find disturbing with that freedom...cannot have it both ways...
that’s right! Can’t we all just get together and focus on our real enemies: monogamous gays and stem cells… - Ned Flanders
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
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I have tried for many years to understand why someone would be against someone else getting married to a carrot if they want to....ten wives...who gives a shit...ten husbands...good luck...
no one has ever given me a good reason why anyone or anything shouldn't be able to be married...if it is simply a religious objection it isn't a good argument...not everyone is religious and tax breaks/ other rights shouldn't be given to those that follow the path of a particular religion if they are denied to others for no reason other than religion
denying any american access to the same legal rights as married couples have because you don't agree with their choice of partner is stupid at best....I should be able to have anyone I want on my health plan...if I am paying for it who cares?
but as far as the issues brought up in the article...i have no problem when minorities want to form groups, centers, and any other things that can help people who are involved in that group a place to feel whole.
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
Excellent point made by the both of you.
The biggest opposition is simply Religion.
''The bible says marriage is between a man and a woman.''
that is seriously the argument. riddankulous.
Do you have any idea how hypocritical and obtuse you are coming off as?
nowadays hits you when you're young
Read your first quoted post. You are the one trying to impose your view and values on them. They can do whatever they want with their car and wave whatever flag they want. You are the one with the problem. Just get on with your life. Let others live equally and be on your way. Why get so worked up about it? Unless you are closeted and ashamed...
nowadays hits you when you're young
You are backpedaling. Slick.
It has NOTHING to do with not wanting a 'traditional values organization'. It is about the government imposing a rule that is ridiculous and an insult to LGBT organizations that are trying to do real good. It also punishes universities by forcing them to spend more money than they have to, thus punishing the LGBT groups by making them more of a financial burden, in the eyes of the school. It is obviously bs because there is no need for a 'traditional values' group, since our society has and still pushes those views on everyone, especially in Texas. This is just a joke.
nowadays hits you when you're young
For the record... I have no problem, nor have I ever, with Christian or conservative groups on college campuses which are supposed to encourage thought. Thought that I don't have to agree with. I also am a vegan but not the kind who goes around telling people "meat stinks."
But I expect the same courtesy. Allow me to live my life and express myself how I want, so long as it doesn't infringe on your rights. And your right to "not have to live with gay people" doesn't exist.
On the other hand, Perry may decide to run for prez and the whole country can find out what a dumbass he is. He swears he doesn't want the job but he sure acts like he's campaigning for it.
The other argument I find to be completely ridiculous is the whole, "It's a slippery slope! If we legalize gay marriage, then before you know it we'll be legalizing bestiality!" Give me a freaking break - that's like saying you should stop people from eating steak because they might want to eat people next.
As for having gay rights shoved down my throat... not once have any of my gay friends tried to convince me their lifestyle is better than mine. Their entire argument (and I completely agree) is that they're the same and deserve to be treated the same. The reason minority groups have their own associations on college campuses is because a lot of people try their damnedest to alienate them and make them feel unwelcome, and they need a place to go where they can be themselves without having insults hurled at them.
Funnily enough, I've only ever seen one group of people actually try and shove their views down the throats of other people. I've never seen gay people stand in the middle of campus and say gay people are better than straight people. I've never seen African Americans stand in the middle of campus and say African Americans are better than non-African Americans. I've never seen Mexicans stand in the middle of campus and say Mexicans are better than non-Mexicans. I've never seen Jews stand in the middle of campus and say Jews are better than non-Jews. I've never seen Muslims stand in the middle of campus and say Muslims are better than non-Muslims. I know a number of gay people, African Americans, Mexicans, Jews, and Muslims, and they all pretty much just want the same rights as everyone else, and they want to be able to get through a day without someone telling them they're inferior.
But damn, I've long since lost count of the number of times I've seen Christian preachers in the middle of campus telling everyone they're leading terrible lives if they're not a Christian, and telling people they'll go to Hell for the way they dress and behave. They are the only people I've ever seen actively try and recruit people to join their way of life in public. They are the only people I've ever seen try and force their way of life upon others.
I have no problem whatsoever with minorities getting their own place to hang out on a college campus. If they want somewhere they can relax and not worry about people looking down their noses at them (or worse), then it makes no difference to me. The "majority" doesn't need a place of its own any more than it needs a day of its own or a month of its own. When you get your own way 365 days a year, 12 months a year, and you know you're the dominant face everywhere you go, you don't need shelter from any storm - you ARE the storm.
my response to that line of thinking is always...so what? who cares if your neighbor marries his dog...as long as he is following the laws of the state he lives in regarding treatment of the animal what is wrong with marrying a dog, a carrot, a computer, a rubber doll...it doesn't matter to me...it doesn't make anyone less married. I find it interesting that the personal freedom is only an ideal that people hold dear until someone might do something they find disturbing with that freedom...cannot have it both ways...
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan