Obama Pledges Support For '67 Borders

gimmesometruth27

and so it begins........

and by the way, will someone tell palin and bachmann to shut the fuck up and let the adults handle the situation???

Romney: Obama 'threw Israel under the bus'

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_obama_mideast_republicans

HANOVER, N.H. – Republicans looking to unseat President Barack Obama charged Thursday that he undermined the sensitive and delicate negotiations for Middle East peace with his outline for resumed talks between Israelis and Palestinians.

Former Utah Gov. Jon Huntsman said Obama, whom he served as U.S. ambassador to China until last month, undercut an opportunity for Israelis and Palestinians to build trust. Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney said Obama "threw Israel under the bus" and handed the Palestinians a victory even before negotiations between the parties could resume. Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich called it "the most dangerous speech ever made by an American president for the survival of Israel."

Foreign policy has hardly been the center of the debate among the still-forming GOP presidential field. Instead, the candidates and potential candidates have kept their focus — like the country's — on domestic issues that are weighing on voters and their pocketbooks. Obama's speech provided one of the first opportunities for Republicans to assert their foreign policy differences with Obama and his Democratic administration.

Obama endorsed Palestinians' demands for the borders of its future state based on 1967 borders — before the Six Day War in which Israel occupied East Jerusalem, the West Bank and Gaza. That was a significant shift in U.S. foreign policy.

Campaigning here in the state that hosts the first presidential nominating primary, Huntsman also said the United States should respect Israel and work to foster trust between Israelis and Palestinians.

"If we respect and recognize Israel as the ally that it is, we probably ought to listen to what they think is best," said Huntsman, who served in the administrations of Presidents Ronald Reagan, George H.W. Bush and George W. Bush before surprising his party and serving Obama, a Democrat.

He acknowledged he didn't watch Obama's speech and was reacting to news coverage — or, as he called it, "the aftermath."

"It is disrespectful of Israel for America to dictate negotiating terms to our ally," Romney said in an interview with The Associated Press. "It is not appropriate for the president to dictate the terms."

Instead, the United States should work with Israel to push for peace without acceding to the Palestinians, he said.

Gingrich said Israel simply cannot go back to the 1967 borders and expect to remain secure, given technological advancements that would allow its enemies to fire rockets deeper into the state.

"Get a map of the region and look at what Hamas does in firing missiles into Israel," Gingrich told The Associated Press. "The president should have said that Hamas has to abandon its determination to destroy Israel."

Obama urged Israel to accept that it can never have a truly peaceful nation based on "permanent occupation." That follows what other Republicans have painted as hostility from this administration toward a stalwart ally in the Middle East.

"The current administration needs to come to terms with its confused and dangerous foreign policy soon, as clarity and security are the necessary conditions of any serious and coherent American set of policies," Santorum said in a statement.

Obama's speech at the State Department addressed the uprisings sweeping the Arab world. Speaking to audiences abroad and at home, he sought to leave no doubt that the U.S. stands behind the protesters who have swelled from nation to nation across the Middle East and North Africa.

"We know that our own future is bound to this region by the forces of economics and security; history and faith," the president said.

But the remarks only muddied things, especially on the dicey issue of Jerusalem, said former Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty.

"The city of Jerusalem must never be re-divided," Pawlenty said. "At this time of upheaval in the Middle East, it's never been more important for America to stand strong for Israel and for a united Jerusalem."

Rep. Michele Bachmann of Minnesota, a tea party favorite who is leaning toward a run, called the border suggestions "a shocking display of betrayal" to Israel.

"Today President Barack Obama has again indicated that his policy towards Israel is to blame Israel first," she said in a statement.

On Twitter, former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin didn't directly address the speech but urged Obama to publicly welcome Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu instead of ushering him into private meetings away from reporters, as has occurred on Netanyahu's previous visits. The two leaders will talk Friday at the White House.

"Dear Mr. President, please allow our ally, PM Netanyahu, to respectfully arrive through the front door this time. Thanks, Concerned Americans," she tweeted.

Mariamaniatis

Byrnzie wrote:

rfenton4 wrote:

The return to '67 borders, with land swaps, is not a unique proposal being pushed for by the Obama administration. These paramaters had been put forth by Ehud Barak's government, with brokerage by the Clinton administration in 2000 at the Camp David Accords,the Taba Summit in 2001 and as recently as 2008 by Ehud Olmert's government. The continuing themes between all of these negotiations is not only the refusal of the Palestinian delegation to accept the proposals when they are on the table but its refusal to take any of the blame once negotiations fall apart. Reading Mahmoud Abbas's most recent op-ed in the New York Times seems to cement this point when he carefully refuses to acknowledge that a Palestinian state could have been created in 1947. Until the newly formed unity government of Fatah and Hamas (who calls for both the destruction of Israel and a Jewish presence in the state), comes to the table as willing and honest partners in the peace process, the status quo will carry on.

Except the Israeli's didn't offer the Palestinians these parameters at Camp David, which is why they were rejected. In fact, Israel made no concessions whatsoever at Camp David, but instead sought to carve up the West bank into a series of Apartheid-style bantustans:


http://www.informationclearinghouse.inf ... e14120.htm

Interview with Noam Chomsky

Noam Chomsky explains the reality of Israel's actions to Canadian interviewer Evan Solomon.

Chomsky: The Barak proposal in Camp David, the Barak-Clinton proposal...here's what you find when you look at a map: You find that this generous, magnanimous proposal provided Israel with a salient east of Jerusalem, which was established primarily by the Labor government, in order to bisect the West Bank. That salient goes almost to Jericho, breaks the West Bank into two cantons, then there's a second salient to the North, going to the Israeli settlement of Ariel, which bisects the Northern part into two cantons.

So, we've got three cantons in the West Bank, virtually separated. All three of them are separated from a small area of East Jerusalem which is the center of Palestinian commercial and cultural life and of communications. So you have four cantons, all separated from the West, from Gaza, so that's five cantons, all surrounded by Israeli settlements, infrastructure, development and so on, which also incidentally guarantee Israel control of the water resources.

This does not rise to the level of South Africa 40 years ago when South Africa established the Bantustans. That's the generous, magnanimous offer. And there's a good reason why maps weren't shown. Because as soon as you look at a map, you see it.

Solomon: All right, but let me just say, Arafat didn't even bother putting a counter-proposal on the table.

Chomsky: Oh, that's not true.

Solomon: They negotiated that afterwards.

Chomsky: That's not true.

Solomon: I guess my question is, if they don't continue to negotiate -

Chomsky: They did. That's false.

Solomon: That's false?

Chomsky: Not only is it false, but not a single participant in the meetings says it. That's a media fabrication . . .

Solomon: That Arafat didn't put a counter-proposal . . .

Chomsky: Yeah, they had a proposal. They proposed the international consensus, which has been accepted by the entire world, the Arab states, the PLO. They proposed a settlement which is in accordance with an overwhelming international consensus, and is blocked by the United States.




Very good article here on the subject:

http://www.lrb.co.uk/v29/n16/henry-sieg ... ocess-scam

The Great Middle East Peace Process Scam
Henry Siegman
2007
'...Israel’s contention has long been that since no Palestinian state existed before the 1967 war, there is no recognised border to which Israel can withdraw, because the pre-1967 border was merely an armistice line. Moreover, since Resolution 242 calls for a ‘just and lasting peace’ that will allow ‘every state in the area [to] live in security’, Israel holds that it must be allowed to change the armistice line, either bilaterally or unilaterally, to make it secure before it ends the occupation. This is a specious argument for many reasons, but principally because UN General Assembly Partition Resolution 181 of 1947, which established the Jewish state’s international legitimacy, also recognised the remaining Palestinian territory outside the new state’s borders as the equally legitimate patrimony of Palestine’s Arab population on which they were entitled to establish their own state, and it mapped the borders of that territory with great precision. Resolution 181’s affirmation of the right of Palestine’s Arab population to national self-determination was based on normative law and the democratic principles that grant statehood to the majority population. (At the time, Arabs constituted two-thirds of the population in Palestine.) This right does not evaporate because of delays in its implementation.

In the course of a war launched by Arab countries that sought to prevent the implementation of the UN partition resolution, Israel enlarged its territory by 50 per cent. If it is illegal to acquire territory as a result of war, then the question now cannot conceivably be how much additional Palestinian territory Israel may confiscate, but rather how much of the territory it acquired in the course of the war of 1948 it is allowed to retain. At the very least, if ‘adjustments’ are to be made to the 1949 armistice line, these should be made on Israel’s side of that line, not the Palestinians’.

...Underlying Israel’s efforts to retain the occupied territories is the fact that it has never really considered the West Bank as occupied territory, despite its pro forma acceptance of that designation. Israelis see the Palestinian areas as ‘contested’ territory to which they have claims no less compelling than the Palestinians, international law and UN resolutions notwithstanding...That the former prime minister Ehud Barak (now Olmert’s defence minister) endlessly describes the territorial proposals he made at the Camp David summit as expressions of Israel’s ‘generosity’, and never as an acknowledgment of Palestinian rights, is another example of this mindset. Indeed, the term ‘Palestinian rights’ seems not to exist in Israel’s lexicon.

The problem is not, as Israelis often claim, that Palestinians do not know how to compromise. (Another former prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, famously complained that ‘Palestinians take and take while Israel gives and gives.’) That is an indecent charge, since the Palestinians made much the most far-reaching compromise of all when the PLO formally accepted the legitimacy of Israel within the 1949 armistice border. With that concession, Palestinians ceded their claim to more than half the territory that the UN’s partition resolution had assigned to its Arab inhabitants. They have never received any credit for this wrenching concession, made years before Israel agreed that Palestinians had a right to statehood in any part of Palestine. The notion that further border adjustments should be made at the expense of the 22 per cent of the territory that remains to the Palestinians is deeply offensive to them, and understandably so.

Nonetheless, the Palestinians agreed at the Camp David summit to adjustments to the pre-1967 border that would allow large numbers of West Bank settlers – about 70 per cent – to remain within the Jewish state, provided they received comparable territory on Israel’s side of the border. Barak rejected this.

Did you spontaneously ejaculate when you heard Obama demand pre-67 borders?

Drowned Out

I'm skeptical (cynical?)...and actually a little worried about Obama distancing himself from Israel....not worried for Israel, but for their neighbors.
There were finally indictments issued in the Hariri investigation/Special Tribunal for Lebanon (guess I jumped the gun with my thread about happening 'soon' like six months ago )...indictments were not made public, and the tribunal is expected to continue for months....but you know the first indictments implicate Hezbollah, and tensions are rising again in Lebanon.

Plus, everywhere I turn I'm reading the words "Al Qaeda leader", immediately followed by the word "Egyptian" (tho they thinkn he's based in Pakistan lately :roll: )....demonization of Egypt following what just went on there....?
The situation in the middle east/ N Africa is so fluid right now, I am even more suspicious of ulterior motives than usual...(how we doin in Libya, btw? :roll: )
Call me paranoid, but without any concrete action from the Obama admin, I'm more inclined to think this is advance political posturing for some kind of Israeli action the US public will find unappealing.

aerial wrote:

I see Israel with such a small piece of land, why do people think they should give it up. I really do not understand. Where will they go?

Drowned Out

I seriously hope the mods just delete this guys posts and don't lock this thread. Byrnzie didn't take the bait the first time, and these threads are too important to shut down. What a lousy way to stifle opinions, dude...shame on you.

Mariamaniatis

Drowned Out wrote:

I seriously hope the mods just delete this guys posts and don't lock this thread. Byrnzie didn't take the bait the first time, and these threads are too important to shut down. What a lousy way to stifle opinions, dude...shame on you.

Byrnize is a hate mongering pig who leaves comments like "Oh well" when Bin Laden is killed and chides us for violating International Law y killing him? AYFKM? His anti-American, and yes, anti-semitic, Nazi defending opinions have been espoused on this Board for years. I find it disgusting. I find him disgusting. He adds his own self serving and often really banally ignorant interpretations of history that are so far from correct it staggers the mind that he has some people stupified into thinking that because he has the ability to cut and paste the original thoughts of others, that he is somehow intellectually superior. He demeans any opinion that is not his, even on issues not involving America or Israel. He consistently insults people. And yet, he remains. Such is life.

I've been banned before because being the little girl that he is, a cyber bully with no substance, he tattles to mods because he can't take the heat and deal with it man up. I long ago stopped caring about the views in this thread. I laughed my ass off when Obama got elected and all the Obamatons who inhabited this place have all quietly slipped away when they realized that, hey, that dude lied to get elected.

Have your stupid board. I joined for the concert tickets. Got em. Yes Im the Face, Last Exodus, etc. Ban me! Please! Save me from the impulse to respond to the ignorance and hate that seeps into this part of an otherwise pleasant board.

And yes, Steve is still a cunt. A leopard never changes his spots.

Bye

OnTheEdge

Byrnzie wrote:

aerial wrote:

I see Israel with such a small piece of land, why do people think they should give it up. I really do not understand. Where will they go?

Nobody's asking them to give up Israel. They are being asked to give up the land they've been stealing from the Palestinians since the 1967 war.

No, we're just asking them to give up Jerusalem.

It's official. Most people on the train are smoking crack......good luck with that.

Drowned Out

I think you more take issue with being proven wrong time and again. If you find his posts hateful, call him on it and debate the points. Lashing out only discredits you and gives Byrnzie's opinion more weight. If his posts truely ARE hateful, and you're above reporting them, someone else will, or the mods will eventually get to it themselves. Just like they will with this....I'm sure you'll get your wish. Good riddance.

OnTheEdge

I can't even begin to comprehend Byrnzies way of thinking....fuck-em! Now go ahead and boot me. I would expect nothing less from such a left leaning
liberal web site.

yosi

There have been multiple attempts throughout the last few years to discuss the hatefulness that seeps into discussions of Israel on this board, and the same things always happen. First people say "oh no, I'm not anti-semitic, I'm just anti-Israel," then they accuse you of trying to stifle debate by "crying antisemitism," then they start saying that stifling debate in this way is the policy of the Israeli government and start accusing you of being an Israeli cyber agent all the while continuing to say the same hateful shit (if not more hateful shit in response to being called on it), and then the thread gets shut down. So please don't ask us to discuss this issue here rather than lash out, because it's been tried and frankly THAT discussion is impossible on this forum (and for the record, yes, I fully believe that this forum tolerates grossly antisemitic statements all the time).

Mariamaniatis

OnTheEdge wrote:

Byrnzie wrote:

aerial wrote:

I see Israel with such a small piece of land, why do people think they should give it up. I really do not understand. Where will they go?

Nobody's asking them to give up Israel. They are being asked to give up the land they've been stealing from the Palestinians since the 1967 war.

No, we're just asking them to give up Jerusalem.

It's official. Most people on the train are smoking crack......good luck with that.

Stealing ey? What did the US do to the native americans? The Russians to the Latvians, Lithuanians, Estonians, etc, etc. England to India, Northern Ireland (still occupied). The French to Indo China. China to Tibet? The difference> Jews escaped to Palestine to prevent their extermination as a people by the peoples of Europe. The British were in history the biggest colonial pigs in modern history. Clean up your own house first.

Drowned Out

The guy can speak for himself, but what way of thinking would that be?
A different one from yours, I assume...so fuck em? (Byrnzie's plural now? look out )
You can't comprehend his way of thinking, so you throw a fit and get banned from a message board? What good does that do for anyone?

I find it funny that you and your friend witness someone saying they support international law and justice over assasination and forcible theft of property, then say it makes them a hateful person. And hey, what a horrible horrible website, huh? Liberal and left leaning? ouch!

I really shouldn't let myself be drawn into this, but I take offense to you people derailing important discussions like this, to the point that we can't have them...


edit: oh, yosi just showed up, this is gonna get fun, someone called in reinforcements

Mariamaniatis

OnTheEdge wrote:

I can't even begin to comprehend Byrnzies way of thinking....fuck-em! Now go ahead and boot me. I would expect nothing less from such a left leaning
liberal web site.

THANK YOU MY BROTHER. Really, getting booted from this intolerant and mean spirited board will be no loss in your life. Plenty of other boards with people who can talk politics from an informed position where learning from one another is something practiced routinely. Not here.

Drowned Out

Mariamaniatis

yosi wrote:

There have been multiple attempts throughout the last few years to discuss the hatefulness that seeps into discussions of Israel on this board, and the same things always happen. First people say "oh no, I'm not anti-semitic, I'm just anti-Israel," then they accuse you of trying to stifle debate by "crying antisemitism," then they start saying that stifling debate in this way is the policy of the Israeli government and start accusing you of being an Israeli cyber agent all the while continuing to say the same hateful shit (if not more hateful shit in response to being called on it), and then the thread gets shut down. So please don't ask us to discuss this issue here rather than lash out, because it's been tried and frankly THAT discussion is impossible on this forum (and for the record, yes, I fully believe that this forum tolerates grossly antisemitic statements all the time).

They do! Have done it for years. I threatened to take them to the ADL at one point. Kat has some kind of special place in her heart for Byrnzie and his bile. It used to be much worse. There were people on here years ago that made Byrnzie look like a Rabbi in comparison. At one point I was so outraged I had a pile of anti semitic and hateful posts coming from this thread that was three inches thick. I submitted it to some news sources and the ADL. And still, I got banned for it. Killing the messenger doesnt kill the message. I cant imagine it reflects well on the band and at one point thought of compiling something for Rolling Stone and then I caught myself and backed off. This isn't about the band who I still love and enjoy. I cant imagine Ed would condone alot of the shit that goes on here, or so I would hope. Fortunately its toned down but just know Yosi, you aren't wrong for calling a spade a spade. This is more than just mere criticism of Israel.

Just look at Byrnzies posts in other threads. He said "Oh well, sigh" after Bin Laden was killed and then went on a tirade about Bush and Obama being war criminals and how it was illegal to kill Bin Laden! Then it was the minimizing of the Nazis in Europe on another thread. And the repeated slander of Jews and Israel. Call it what you want. I find it sickening. I dont have a doubt in my mind he was one of those who quietly (or maybe not so quietly) cheered 9/11 as something we deserved for supporting Israel. No doubt.

But he posts such informative posts.....from Noam Chomsky. I tried to get through a film about Chomsky and I almost tossed my cookies.

I dont appreciate anyone coming in here and consistently thrashing my country and my religion. I didnt vote for Bush. Im no Republican. And Im not in favor of more Jewish Settlements and Im a Jew. If the Boards view is that this is a place to air your views on politics and religions, then why did I get banned 5x? Its more headache then its worth. Steve wont change.

But there are alot of younger impressionable minds on this board. I feel a need to stand up and speak the truth and quiet the voices of hate. Yes its hate. Rant done. See ya on the other side. This Jew is getting banned. Unless they can find a Yellow Star emoticon they can make me wear...

להילחם יוסי הקרב טוב

Exodus

Drowned Out

Mariamaniatis wrote:

They do! Have done it for years. I threatened to take them to the ADL at one point.....At one point I was so outraged I had a pile of anti semitic and hateful posts coming from this thread that was three inches thick. I submitted it to some news sources and the ADL.....at one point thought of compiling something for Rolling Stone

And you have the nerve to call B out on reporting a post (if that's even true)? wtf man are you for real...? Did anything come of your complaints to the ADL? What does that tell you?

You wonder why you've been banned five times? It has NOTHING to do with your opinion....everything to do with your presentation. You chose to have yourself banned.

Ever hear Aesop's fable of the wind and the sun? Impressionable minds are likely wondering why you can't debate without insults and personal attacks, and realize this is a fallback position of someone who is getting consistently SCHOOLED.

yosi - care to show me some examples of tolerated anti-semitism?

yosi

I don't have the patience to go back looking for specific posts, but, for example, a classic antisemitic trope is that the Jews control the media. Another is that the Jews control finance. Another is that the Jews are secretly controlling world governments. Everyone of these tropes has appeared on this board multiple times, only instead of "Jews" people talk about "Israel" (although there have been times where even that flimsy veneer has fallen aside). So...Israel controls the media, or Israel controls the US government, or Israel controls finance, etc.

There's this idea that if someone is talking about "Israel" instead of "Jews" that it CAN'T be antisemitism. That's just childish. Criticism of Israel is fine, but it is at this point a very well attested to phenomenon that antisemitism now very often goes disguised as "antizionism."

Byrnzie

Mariamaniatis wrote:

Byrnize is a hate mongering pig who leaves comments like "Oh well" when Bin Laden is killed and chides us for violating International Law y killing him? AYFKM? His anti-American, and yes, anti-semitic, Nazi defending opinions have been espoused on this Board for years. I find it disgusting. I find him disgusting. He adds his own self serving and often really banally ignorant interpretations of history that are so far from correct it staggers the mind that he has some people stupified into thinking that because he has the ability to cut and paste the original thoughts of others, that he is somehow intellectually superior. He demeans any opinion that is not his, even on issues not involving America or Israel. He consistently insults people. And yet, he remains. Such is life.

I've been banned before because being the little girl that he is, a cyber bully with no substance, he tattles to mods because he can't take the heat and deal with it man up. I long ago stopped caring about the views in this thread. I laughed my ass off when Obama got elected and all the Obamatons who inhabited this place have all quietly slipped away when they realized that, hey, that dude lied to get elected.

Have your stupid board. I joined for the concert tickets. Got em. Yes Im the Face, Last Exodus, etc. Ban me! Please! Save me from the impulse to respond to the ignorance and hate that seeps into this part of an otherwise pleasant board.

And yes, Steve is still a cunt. A leopard never changes his spots.

Bye

Bye.

Byrnzie

OnTheEdge wrote:

I can't even begin to comprehend Byrnzies way of thinking....fuck-em! Now go ahead and boot me. I would expect nothing less from such a left leaning
liberal web site.

My way of thinking on this issue is the same as the whole of the international community and international law. I wonder why it is that you have such difficulty in understanding it?
Maybe you need to go back to school with your buddy Mariamaniatis?

Byrnzie

OnTheEdge wrote:

No, we're just asking them to give up Jerusalem.

It's official. Most people on the train are smoking crack......good luck with that.

Wrong again genius.

They're being asked to give up East Jerusalem.

Byrnzie

Mariamaniatis wrote:

yosi wrote:

There have been multiple attempts throughout the last few years to discuss the hatefulness that seeps into discussions of Israel on this board, and the same things always happen. First people say "oh no, I'm not anti-semitic, I'm just anti-Israel," then they accuse you of trying to stifle debate by "crying antisemitism," then they start saying that stifling debate in this way is the policy of the Israeli government and start accusing you of being an Israeli cyber agent all the while continuing to say the same hateful shit (if not more hateful shit in response to being called on it), and then the thread gets shut down. So please don't ask us to discuss this issue here rather than lash out, because it's been tried and frankly THAT discussion is impossible on this forum (and for the record, yes, I fully believe that this forum tolerates grossly antisemitic statements all the time).

They do! Have done it for years. I threatened to take them to the ADL at one point. Kat has some kind of special place in her heart for Byrnzie and his bile. It used to be much worse. There were people on here years ago that made Byrnzie look like a Rabbi in comparison. At one point I was so outraged I had a pile of anti semitic and hateful posts coming from this thread that was three inches thick. I submitted it to some news sources and the ADL. And still, I got banned for it. Killing the messenger doesnt kill the message. I cant imagine it reflects well on the band and at one point thought of compiling something for Rolling Stone and then I caught myself and backed off. This isn't about the band who I still love and enjoy. I cant imagine Ed would condone alot of the shit that goes on here, or so I would hope. Fortunately its toned down but just know Yosi, you aren't wrong for calling a spade a spade. This is more than just mere criticism of Israel.

Just look at Byrnzies posts in other threads. He said "Oh well, sigh" after Bin Laden was killed and then went on a tirade about Bush and Obama being war criminals and how it was illegal to kill Bin Laden! Then it was the minimizing of the Nazis in Europe on another thread. And the repeated slander of Jews and Israel. Call it what you want. I find it sickening. I dont have a doubt in my mind he was one of those who quietly (or maybe not so quietly) cheered 9/11 as something we deserved for supporting Israel. No doubt.

But he posts such informative posts.....from Noam Chomsky. I tried to get through a film about Chomsky and I almost tossed my cookies.

I dont appreciate anyone coming in here and consistently thrashing my country and my religion. I didnt vote for Bush. Im no Republican. And Im not in favor of more Jewish Settlements and Im a Jew. If the Boards view is that this is a place to air your views on politics and religions, then why did I get banned 5x? Its more headache then its worth. Steve wont change.

But there are alot of younger impressionable minds on this board. I feel a need to stand up and speak the truth and quiet the voices of hate. Yes its hate. Rant done. See ya on the other side. This Jew is getting banned. Unless they can find a Yellow Star emoticon they can make me wear...

להילחם יוסי הקרב טוב

Exodus

Aww, aren't you just the most sanctimonious victim?