The guy can speak for himself, but what way of thinking would that be?
A different one from yours, I assume...so fuck em? (Byrnzie's plural now? look out )
You can't comprehend his way of thinking, so you throw a fit and get banned from a message board? What good does that do for anyone?
I find it funny that you and your friend witness someone saying they support international law and justice over assasination and forcible theft of property, then say it makes them a hateful person. And hey, what a horrible horrible website, huh? Liberal and left leaning? ouch!
I really shouldn't let myself be drawn into this, but I take offense to you people derailing important discussions like this, to the point that we can't have them...
edit: oh, yosi just showed up, this is gonna get fun, someone called in reinforcements
I can't even begin to comprehend Byrnzies way of thinking....fuck-em! Now go ahead and boot me. I would expect nothing less from such a left leaning
liberal web site.
THANK YOU MY BROTHER. Really, getting booted from this intolerant and mean spirited board will be no loss in your life. Plenty of other boards with people who can talk politics from an informed position where learning from one another is something practiced routinely. Not here.
There have been multiple attempts throughout the last few years to discuss the hatefulness that seeps into discussions of Israel on this board, and the same things always happen. First people say "oh no, I'm not anti-semitic, I'm just anti-Israel," then they accuse you of trying to stifle debate by "crying antisemitism," then they start saying that stifling debate in this way is the policy of the Israeli government and start accusing you of being an Israeli cyber agent all the while continuing to say the same hateful shit (if not more hateful shit in response to being called on it), and then the thread gets shut down. So please don't ask us to discuss this issue here rather than lash out, because it's been tried and frankly THAT discussion is impossible on this forum (and for the record, yes, I fully believe that this forum tolerates grossly antisemitic statements all the time).
They do! Have done it for years. I threatened to take them to the ADL at one point. Kat has some kind of special place in her heart for Byrnzie and his bile. It used to be much worse. There were people on here years ago that made Byrnzie look like a Rabbi in comparison. At one point I was so outraged I had a pile of anti semitic and hateful posts coming from this thread that was three inches thick. I submitted it to some news sources and the ADL. And still, I got banned for it. Killing the messenger doesnt kill the message. I cant imagine it reflects well on the band and at one point thought of compiling something for Rolling Stone and then I caught myself and backed off. This isn't about the band who I still love and enjoy. I cant imagine Ed would condone alot of the shit that goes on here, or so I would hope. Fortunately its toned down but just know Yosi, you aren't wrong for calling a spade a spade. This is more than just mere criticism of Israel.
Just look at Byrnzies posts in other threads. He said "Oh well, sigh" after Bin Laden was killed and then went on a tirade about Bush and Obama being war criminals and how it was illegal to kill Bin Laden! Then it was the minimizing of the Nazis in Europe on another thread. And the repeated slander of Jews and Israel. Call it what you want. I find it sickening. I dont have a doubt in my mind he was one of those who quietly (or maybe not so quietly) cheered 9/11 as something we deserved for supporting Israel. No doubt.
But he posts such informative posts.....from Noam Chomsky. I tried to get through a film about Chomsky and I almost tossed my cookies.
I dont appreciate anyone coming in here and consistently thrashing my country and my religion. I didnt vote for Bush. Im no Republican. And Im not in favor of more Jewish Settlements and Im a Jew. If the Boards view is that this is a place to air your views on politics and religions, then why did I get banned 5x? Its more headache then its worth. Steve wont change.
But there are alot of younger impressionable minds on this board. I feel a need to stand up and speak the truth and quiet the voices of hate. Yes its hate. Rant done. See ya on the other side. This Jew is getting banned. Unless they can find a Yellow Star emoticon they can make me wear...
They do! Have done it for years. I threatened to take them to the ADL at one point.....At one point I was so outraged I had a pile of anti semitic and hateful posts coming from this thread that was three inches thick. I submitted it to some news sources and the ADL.....at one point thought of compiling something for Rolling Stone
And you have the nerve to call B out on reporting a post (if that's even true)? wtf man are you for real...? Did anything come of your complaints to the ADL? What does that tell you?
You wonder why you've been banned five times? It has NOTHING to do with your opinion....everything to do with your presentation. You chose to have yourself banned.
Ever hear Aesop's fable of the wind and the sun? Impressionable minds are likely wondering why you can't debate without insults and personal attacks, and realize this is a fallback position of someone who is getting consistently SCHOOLED.
yosi - care to show me some examples of tolerated anti-semitism?
I don't have the patience to go back looking for specific posts, but, for example, a classic antisemitic trope is that the Jews control the media. Another is that the Jews control finance. Another is that the Jews are secretly controlling world governments. Everyone of these tropes has appeared on this board multiple times, only instead of "Jews" people talk about "Israel" (although there have been times where even that flimsy veneer has fallen aside). So...Israel controls the media, or Israel controls the US government, or Israel controls finance, etc.
There's this idea that if someone is talking about "Israel" instead of "Jews" that it CAN'T be antisemitism. That's just childish. Criticism of Israel is fine, but it is at this point a very well attested to phenomenon that antisemitism now very often goes disguised as "antizionism."
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Byrnize is a hate mongering pig who leaves comments like "Oh well" when Bin Laden is killed and chides us for violating International Law y killing him? AYFKM? His anti-American, and yes, anti-semitic, Nazi defending opinions have been espoused on this Board for years. I find it disgusting. I find him disgusting. He adds his own self serving and often really banally ignorant interpretations of history that are so far from correct it staggers the mind that he has some people stupified into thinking that because he has the ability to cut and paste the original thoughts of others, that he is somehow intellectually superior. He demeans any opinion that is not his, even on issues not involving America or Israel. He consistently insults people. And yet, he remains. Such is life.
I've been banned before because being the little girl that he is, a cyber bully with no substance, he tattles to mods because he can't take the heat and deal with it man up. I long ago stopped caring about the views in this thread. I laughed my ass off when Obama got elected and all the Obamatons who inhabited this place have all quietly slipped away when they realized that, hey, that dude lied to get elected.
Have your stupid board. I joined for the concert tickets. Got em. Yes Im the Face, Last Exodus, etc. Ban me! Please! Save me from the impulse to respond to the ignorance and hate that seeps into this part of an otherwise pleasant board.
And yes, Steve is still a cunt. A leopard never changes his spots.
I can't even begin to comprehend Byrnzies way of thinking....fuck-em! Now go ahead and boot me. I would expect nothing less from such a left leaning
liberal web site.
My way of thinking on this issue is the same as the whole of the international community and international law. I wonder why it is that you have such difficulty in understanding it?
Maybe you need to go back to school with your buddy Mariamaniatis?
There have been multiple attempts throughout the last few years to discuss the hatefulness that seeps into discussions of Israel on this board, and the same things always happen. First people say "oh no, I'm not anti-semitic, I'm just anti-Israel," then they accuse you of trying to stifle debate by "crying antisemitism," then they start saying that stifling debate in this way is the policy of the Israeli government and start accusing you of being an Israeli cyber agent all the while continuing to say the same hateful shit (if not more hateful shit in response to being called on it), and then the thread gets shut down. So please don't ask us to discuss this issue here rather than lash out, because it's been tried and frankly THAT discussion is impossible on this forum (and for the record, yes, I fully believe that this forum tolerates grossly antisemitic statements all the time).
They do! Have done it for years. I threatened to take them to the ADL at one point. Kat has some kind of special place in her heart for Byrnzie and his bile. It used to be much worse. There were people on here years ago that made Byrnzie look like a Rabbi in comparison. At one point I was so outraged I had a pile of anti semitic and hateful posts coming from this thread that was three inches thick. I submitted it to some news sources and the ADL. And still, I got banned for it. Killing the messenger doesnt kill the message. I cant imagine it reflects well on the band and at one point thought of compiling something for Rolling Stone and then I caught myself and backed off. This isn't about the band who I still love and enjoy. I cant imagine Ed would condone alot of the shit that goes on here, or so I would hope. Fortunately its toned down but just know Yosi, you aren't wrong for calling a spade a spade. This is more than just mere criticism of Israel.
Just look at Byrnzies posts in other threads. He said "Oh well, sigh" after Bin Laden was killed and then went on a tirade about Bush and Obama being war criminals and how it was illegal to kill Bin Laden! Then it was the minimizing of the Nazis in Europe on another thread. And the repeated slander of Jews and Israel. Call it what you want. I find it sickening. I dont have a doubt in my mind he was one of those who quietly (or maybe not so quietly) cheered 9/11 as something we deserved for supporting Israel. No doubt.
But he posts such informative posts.....from Noam Chomsky. I tried to get through a film about Chomsky and I almost tossed my cookies.
I dont appreciate anyone coming in here and consistently thrashing my country and my religion. I didnt vote for Bush. Im no Republican. And Im not in favor of more Jewish Settlements and Im a Jew. If the Boards view is that this is a place to air your views on politics and religions, then why did I get banned 5x? Its more headache then its worth. Steve wont change.
But there are alot of younger impressionable minds on this board. I feel a need to stand up and speak the truth and quiet the voices of hate. Yes its hate. Rant done. See ya on the other side. This Jew is getting banned. Unless they can find a Yellow Star emoticon they can make me wear...
להילחם יוסי הקרב טוב
Exodus
Aww, aren't you just the most sanctimonious victim?
I don't have the patience to go back looking for specific posts, but, for example, a classic antisemitic trope is that the Jews control the media. Another is that the Jews control finance. Another is that the Jews are secretly controlling world governments. Everyone of these tropes has appeared on this board multiple times, only instead of "Jews" people talk about "Israel" (although there have been times where even that flimsy veneer has fallen aside). So...Israel controls the media, or Israel controls the US government, or Israel controls finance, etc.
There's this idea that if someone is talking about "Israel" instead of "Jews" that it CAN'T be antisemitism. That's just childish. Criticism of Israel is fine, but it is at this point a very well attested to phenomenon that antisemitism now very often goes disguised as "antizionism."
*Yawn*
Now shall we get back to the thread topic?
Obama has called for Israel to withdraw to the 1967 borders. What's your opinion on that Yosi?
I don't have the patience to go back looking for specific posts, but, for example, a classic antisemitic trope is that the Jews control the media. Another is that the Jews control finance. Another is that the Jews are secretly controlling world governments. Everyone of these tropes has appeared on this board multiple times, only instead of "Jews" people talk about "Israel" (although there have been times where even that flimsy veneer has fallen aside). So...Israel controls the media, or Israel controls the US government, or Israel controls finance, etc.
There's this idea that if someone is talking about "Israel" instead of "Jews" that it CAN'T be antisemitism. That's just childish. Criticism of Israel is fine, but it is at this point a very well attested to phenomenon that antisemitism now very often goes disguised as "antizionism."
You won't look for specific examples because there are none.
I've NEVER seen anyone say any of those things on this board.
Jews control the media? No. Never. Negative posts about the influence of the Israeli lobby on the media? Of course.
Jews control world events? I've never read a statement like that either...I have read a lot of talk of Israel's influence in the US, and by proxy the UN...
Jews control finance? what? really? man, what board are you reading? I've never seen anything phrased even remotely like that. If it's mentioned that some bankster is Jewish (which I can't even recall seeing, but to use as an example), is it that different from any other negative stereotype comment anywhere else on the board that is greeted with a :roll: and the thread moves on? Are you that sensitive? go look at any thread about Christianity or Islam and you'll see the same thing. Negative stereotypes, but the mods do a good job of keeping any blatantly hateful statements like you imply are being made off the board....they would be locked, period. Stop exaggerating.
They do! Have done it for years. I threatened to take them to the ADL at one point.....At one point I was so outraged I had a pile of anti semitic and hateful posts coming from this thread that was three inches thick. I submitted it to some news sources and the ADL.....at one point thought of compiling something for Rolling Stone
And you have the nerve to call B out on reporting a post (if that's even true)? wtf man are you for real...? Did anything come of your complaints to the ADL? What does that tell you?
You wonder why you've been banned five times? It has NOTHING to do with your opinion....everything to do with your presentation. You chose to have yourself banned.
Ever hear Aesop's fable of the wind and the sun? Impressionable minds are likely wondering why you can't debate without insults and personal attacks, and realize this is a fallback position of someone who is getting consistently SCHOOLED.
yosi - care to show me some examples of tolerated anti-semitism?
Youre not worth a response. Because, frankly, you have nothing original to say. One of Byrnie's Parakeets.
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Just found this in my PM mailbox from Kat. It has a link that shows a very partisan and frankly prejudicial comment about Jews.
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Re: WikiLeaks: Some Jewish Settlers Ready To Move For Money
Sent: 12 Apr 2011 06:18
From: Kat
To: Sea Mariamaniatis
Subject: WikiLeaks: Some Jewish Settlers Ready To Move For Money
Mariamaniatis wrote:
Does those guy go everywhere he sees the word Jew? A little obsessed bro?
Mariamaniatis,
It's become clear from your posts that you're here only to argue and that's considered trolling. It's also harassment when you go after people like you're doing. The Posting Guidelines are at the top of the page. If you can't follow them, your account is going to be read-only. Discuss the topic, no name-calling and don't get personal. Please read the guidelines and follow them. This will be your only warning.
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Jews would do anything for money dont you know? Scary. I dont need another warning Kat or whoever the fuck you are. Ban me. It only ratifies my theory of you.
There have been multiple attempts throughout the last few years to discuss the hatefulness that seeps into discussions of Israel on this board, and the same things always happen. First people say "oh no, I'm not anti-semitic, I'm just anti-Israel," then they accuse you of trying to stifle debate by "crying antisemitism," then they start saying that stifling debate in this way is the policy of the Israeli government and start accusing you of being an Israeli cyber agent all the while continuing to say the same hateful shit (if not more hateful shit in response to being called on it), and then the thread gets shut down. So please don't ask us to discuss this issue here rather than lash out, because it's been tried and frankly THAT discussion is impossible on this forum (and for the record, yes, I fully believe that this forum tolerates grossly antisemitic statements all the time).
They do! Have done it for years. I threatened to take them to the ADL at one point. Kat has some kind of special place in her heart for Byrnzie and his bile. It used to be much worse. There were people on here years ago that made Byrnzie look like a Rabbi in comparison. At one point I was so outraged I had a pile of anti semitic and hateful posts coming from this thread that was three inches thick. I submitted it to some news sources and the ADL. And still, I got banned for it. Killing the messenger doesnt kill the message. I cant imagine it reflects well on the band and at one point thought of compiling something for Rolling Stone and then I caught myself and backed off. This isn't about the band who I still love and enjoy. I cant imagine Ed would condone alot of the shit that goes on here, or so I would hope. Fortunately its toned down but just know Yosi, you aren't wrong for calling a spade a spade. This is more than just mere criticism of Israel.
Just look at Byrnzies posts in other threads. He said "Oh well, sigh" after Bin Laden was killed and then went on a tirade about Bush and Obama being war criminals and how it was illegal to kill Bin Laden! Then it was the minimizing of the Nazis in Europe on another thread. And the repeated slander of Jews and Israel. Call it what you want. I find it sickening. I dont have a doubt in my mind he was one of those who quietly (or maybe not so quietly) cheered 9/11 as something we deserved for supporting Israel. No doubt.
But he posts such informative posts.....from Noam Chomsky. I tried to get through a film about Chomsky and I almost tossed my cookies.
I dont appreciate anyone coming in here and consistently thrashing my country and my religion. I didnt vote for Bush. Im no Republican. And Im not in favor of more Jewish Settlements and Im a Jew. If the Boards view is that this is a place to air your views on politics and religions, then why did I get banned 5x? Its more headache then its worth. Steve wont change.
But there are alot of younger impressionable minds on this board. I feel a need to stand up and speak the truth and quiet the voices of hate. Yes its hate. Rant done. See ya on the other side. This Jew is getting banned. Unless they can find a Yellow Star emoticon they can make me wear...
להילחם יוסי הקרב טוב
Exodus
Aww, aren't you just the most sanctimonious victim?
If you were half the man in person you are from behind a keyboard you would find out in about 2 seconds that no one victimizes me.
Youre not worth a response. Because, frankly, you have nothing original to say. One of Byrnie's Parakeets.
You were basically implying that the mods censor you by banning you (while intentionally getting yourself banned), and that Byrnzie censors you (by allegedly reporting you), while admitting you've compiled his posts to send to the ADL?
I'm not trying to say anything original, just pointing out the hypocrisy of your arguments for posterity's sake...wasn't sure if he'd show up before you succeeded in getting this locked. I didn't even quote you, hoping the thread could be salvaged somehow...but it's beome quite the trainwreck (guffaw), so I'ma bow out before I earn my first banning in the middle of making tour plans. I feel like yer gettin 10 and a game and tryin to take me with ya, eh?
I will say one more thing - 10C is makin decent cash off you with all these renewals. horrible horrible website
If you were half the man in person you are from behind a keyboard you would find out in about 2 seconds that no one victimizes me.
I hope I can give you the opportunity one day.
we finally agree. but youre a weak man. most haters are. so i wont hold my breath. besides. youre english. when i re-arrange your teeth it will probably be an improvement.
Byrnize is a hate mongering pig who leaves comments like "Oh well" when Bin Laden is killed and chides us for violating International Law y killing him? AYFKM? His anti-American, and yes, anti-semitic, Nazi defending opinions have been espoused on this Board for years. I find it disgusting. I find him disgusting. He adds his own self serving and often really banally ignorant interpretations of history that are so far from correct it staggers the mind that he has some people stupified into thinking that because he has the ability to cut and paste the original thoughts of others, that he is somehow intellectually superior. He demeans any opinion that is not his, even on issues not involving America or Israel. He consistently insults people. And yet, he remains. Such is life.
I've been banned before because being the little girl that he is, a cyber bully with no substance, he tattles to mods because he can't take the heat and deal with it man up. I long ago stopped caring about the views in this thread. I laughed my ass off when Obama got elected and all the Obamatons who inhabited this place have all quietly slipped away when they realized that, hey, that dude lied to get elected.
Have your stupid board. I joined for the concert tickets. Got em. Yes Im the Face, Last Exodus, etc. Ban me! Please! Save me from the impulse to respond to the ignorance and hate that seeps into this part of an otherwise pleasant board.
And yes, Steve is still a cunt. A leopard never changes his spots.
Bye
Bye.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
The borders of Israel and Palestine should be based on the 1967 lines with mutually agreed swaps, so that secure and recognized borders are established for both states. The Palestinian people must have the right to govern themselves, and reach their potential, in a sovereign and contiguous state."
About the contiguous state, what sort of link is proposed between Gaza and the West Bank? The Israeli government reaction will be interesting, to say the least.
...Our main recommendation is that a rail link of about 1.5 kilometers between Erez and Zikim be constructed that will link Gaza to the Israeli rail system. Once moving on the Israeli system goods could travel to Ashdod, Ben Gurion airport, and other points in Israel. With minor infrastructure developments movement to other West Bank points could easily be developed including a linkage to Tulkarem. The most logical connection would be an additional rail link from Kiryat Gat to Tarqumieh which is about a distance of 25 kilometers. This is the cheapest and fasted way of ensuring the movement of goods between the West Bank and Gaza.
A security checking facility able to scan containers would be set up in Erez. Containers would be sealed and loaded onto the trains for transshipment to the West Bank.
In the future it could be possible to discuss how the train link could be used to transport vehicles and people between the West Bank and Gaza. Once the rail link connections are in place, dedicated trains could be placed on the rails that would transport directly between Gaza and the West Bank without any stops in between.
The U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID) has awarded $1,000,000 to fund a study of ways to boost the Palestinian economy by creating a viable trade and transportation link between Gaza and the West Bank. The study, which will be conducted in collaboration with the World Bank, will look for efficient, low-cost, and secure solutions that would allow for a physical link between the West Bank and Gaza, thereby facilitating the movement of people and goods in a secure fashion. In addition, it will identify infrastructure projects and services needed to make the connection possible.
USAID has spent more than $1.7 billion to combat poverty, create jobs, improve education, build roads and water systems, construct and equip medical clinics, and promote good governance in the West Bank and Gaza during the last decade.
a rail link???? are you kidding me?
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wow, personal attacks, posting pms, calling out the mods, attempting to stifle other people's opinions because they are not understood, really mature debate going on in here. what are we, kindergardeners or something?
maria, every one of your last 60 posts have been attacks on byrnzie. it is really getting old reading how you are trying to bait him into stooping to your level. i don't have a problem with your opinion at all, only your presentation, and how you refuse to answer direct questions, rather you just have another go at byrnzie. and no i am not his parakeet. i just happen to agree with much of what he posts. and there is no crime in that.
back on topic, before we were so rudely derailed, i posted an article about how leading republicans are bashng obama about this speech. what does everyone think of that? i believe they are just playing politics and that they are opposing obama not because of what he said, rather because HE said anything at all. he could have come out and said that there will be no chance of a separate palentinian state and these same republicans would attack him for that as well. the man can not win. period.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
...Gingrich said Israel simply cannot go back to the 1967 borders and expect to remain secure, given technological advancements that would allow its enemies to fire rockets deeper into the state.
"Get a map of the region and look at what Hamas does in firing missiles into Israel," Gingrich told The Associated Press. "The president should have said that Hamas has to abandon its determination to destroy Israel."
This makes absolutely no sense at all. Israel currently has hundreds of isolated settlements in the middle of Palestinian land. Surely if security is the issue then these settlements would be abandoned and the residents moved behind the internationally recognized border. The border could then be fortified.
As for the Palestinians security...how will they be protected from Israeli incursions and missile strikes?
so now hes pledged support for 67 borders what is obama gonna do to make it happen? how hardline is he gonna be with the israeli govt? and how hard are they gonna laugh at him?
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this could be the day
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lie beside me
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...Gingrich said Israel simply cannot go back to the 1967 borders and expect to remain secure, given technological advancements that would allow its enemies to fire rockets deeper into the state.
"Get a map of the region and look at what Hamas does in firing missiles into Israel," Gingrich told The Associated Press. "The president should have said that Hamas has to abandon its determination to destroy Israel."
This makes absolutely no sense at all. Israel currently has hundreds of isolated settlements in the middle of Palestinian land. Surely if security is the issue then these settlements would be abandoned and the residents moved behind the internationally recognized border. The border could then be fortified.
As for the Palestinians security...how will they be protected from Israeli incursions and missile strikes?
gingrich is running for president and he launched his campaign a week ago and he has had nothing but gaffe after gaffe after gaffe since then. i think he opportunistic and is pandering and nothing more, because he needs to get some positive news or he will be out of the running before he gets going. if he really thought about what he was saying he would realize that it is a stupid argument to make that israel's existance would be threatened if they went back to the '67 borders. israel was surviving just fine before those settlements on that land. the international community recognizes these borders, except for israel and the united states of course.
and yes, you would think that if security was in fact the issue it would be easier to secure a single larger area rather than trying to secure multiple smaller areas.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
so now hes pledged support for 67 borders what is obama gonna do to make it happen? how hardline is he gonna be with the israeli govt? and how hard are they gonna laugh at him?
my cynicism tells me that he is not going to be hardline because he has been lukewarm and milquetoast about everything else up until this point. why would he grow a backbone for this issue? it is encouraging to know that he has apparently broken with the policies of the last few presidents, or at least says he has the desire to break with those policies......we shall see i guess...
and my guess is there will be much laughter to obama's face during his meeting with mr netanyahu tomorrow..
someone posted a link earlier that had netanyahu saying something like "he just doesn't get it" referring to what obama was saying...
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
my cynicism tells me that he is not going to be hardline because he has been lukewarm and milquetoast about everything else up until this point. why would he grow a backbone for this issue? it is encouraging to know that he has apparently broken with the policies of the last few presidents, or at least says he has the desire to break with those policies......we shall see i guess...
and my guess is there will be much laughter to obama's face during his meeting with mr netanyahu tomorrow..
someone posted a link earlier that had netanyahu saying something like "he just doesn't get it" referring to what obama was saying...
If he threatened to cut the funding, as Unsung suggested earlier, then maybe that will put the squeeze on Netanyahu.
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A different one from yours, I assume...so fuck em? (Byrnzie's plural now? look out
You can't comprehend his way of thinking, so you throw a fit and get banned from a message board?
I find it funny that you and your friend witness someone saying they support international law and justice over assasination and forcible theft of property, then say it makes them a hateful person. And hey, what a horrible horrible website, huh? Liberal and left leaning? ouch!
I really shouldn't let myself be drawn into this, but I take offense to you people derailing important discussions like this, to the point that we can't have them...
edit: oh, yosi just showed up, this is gonna get fun, someone called in reinforcements
THANK YOU MY BROTHER. Really, getting booted from this intolerant and mean spirited board will be no loss in your life. Plenty of other boards with people who can talk politics from an informed position where learning from one another is something practiced routinely. Not here.
They do! Have done it for years. I threatened to take them to the ADL at one point. Kat has some kind of special place in her heart for Byrnzie and his bile. It used to be much worse. There were people on here years ago that made Byrnzie look like a Rabbi in comparison. At one point I was so outraged I had a pile of anti semitic and hateful posts coming from this thread that was three inches thick. I submitted it to some news sources and the ADL. And still, I got banned for it. Killing the messenger doesnt kill the message. I cant imagine it reflects well on the band and at one point thought of compiling something for Rolling Stone and then I caught myself and backed off. This isn't about the band who I still love and enjoy. I cant imagine Ed would condone alot of the shit that goes on here, or so I would hope. Fortunately its toned down but just know Yosi, you aren't wrong for calling a spade a spade. This is more than just mere criticism of Israel.
Just look at Byrnzies posts in other threads. He said "Oh well, sigh" after Bin Laden was killed and then went on a tirade about Bush and Obama being war criminals and how it was illegal to kill Bin Laden! Then it was the minimizing of the Nazis in Europe on another thread. And the repeated slander of Jews and Israel. Call it what you want. I find it sickening. I dont have a doubt in my mind he was one of those who quietly (or maybe not so quietly) cheered 9/11 as something we deserved for supporting Israel. No doubt.
But he posts such informative posts.....from Noam Chomsky. I tried to get through a film about Chomsky and I almost tossed my cookies.
I dont appreciate anyone coming in here and consistently thrashing my country and my religion. I didnt vote for Bush. Im no Republican. And Im not in favor of more Jewish Settlements and Im a Jew. If the Boards view is that this is a place to air your views on politics and religions, then why did I get banned 5x? Its more headache then its worth. Steve wont change.
But there are alot of younger impressionable minds on this board. I feel a need to stand up and speak the truth and quiet the voices of hate. Yes its hate. Rant done. See ya on the other side. This Jew is getting banned. Unless they can find a Yellow Star emoticon they can make me wear...
להילחם יוסי הקרב טוב
Exodus
You wonder why you've been banned five times? It has NOTHING to do with your opinion....everything to do with your presentation. You chose to have yourself banned.
Ever hear Aesop's fable of the wind and the sun? Impressionable minds are likely wondering why you can't debate without insults and personal attacks, and realize this is a fallback position of someone who is getting consistently SCHOOLED.
yosi - care to show me some examples of tolerated anti-semitism?
There's this idea that if someone is talking about "Israel" instead of "Jews" that it CAN'T be antisemitism. That's just childish. Criticism of Israel is fine, but it is at this point a very well attested to phenomenon that antisemitism now very often goes disguised as "antizionism."
My way of thinking on this issue is the same as the whole of the international community and international law. I wonder why it is that you have such difficulty in understanding it?
Maybe you need to go back to school with your buddy Mariamaniatis?
Wrong again genius.
They're being asked to give up East Jerusalem.
Aww, aren't you just the most sanctimonious victim?
*Yawn*
Now shall we get back to the thread topic?
Obama has called for Israel to withdraw to the 1967 borders. What's your opinion on that Yosi?
I've NEVER seen anyone say any of those things on this board.
Jews control the media? No. Never. Negative posts about the influence of the Israeli lobby on the media? Of course.
Jews control world events? I've never read a statement like that either...I have read a lot of talk of Israel's influence in the US, and by proxy the UN...
Jews control finance? what? really? man, what board are you reading? I've never seen anything phrased even remotely like that. If it's mentioned that some bankster is Jewish (which I can't even recall seeing, but to use as an example), is it that different from any other negative stereotype comment anywhere else on the board that is greeted with a :roll: and the thread moves on? Are you that sensitive? go look at any thread about Christianity or Islam and you'll see the same thing. Negative stereotypes, but the mods do a good job of keeping any blatantly hateful statements like you imply are being made off the board....they would be locked, period. Stop exaggerating.
Youre not worth a response. Because, frankly, you have nothing original to say. One of Byrnie's Parakeets.
Just found this in my PM mailbox from Kat. It has a link that shows a very partisan and frankly prejudicial comment about Jews.
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Re: WikiLeaks: Some Jewish Settlers Ready To Move For Money
Sent: 12 Apr 2011 06:18
From: Kat
To: Sea Mariamaniatis
Subject: WikiLeaks: Some Jewish Settlers Ready To Move For Money
Mariamaniatis wrote:
Does those guy go everywhere he sees the word Jew? A little obsessed bro?
Mariamaniatis,
It's become clear from your posts that you're here only to argue and that's considered trolling. It's also harassment when you go after people like you're doing. The Posting Guidelines are at the top of the page. If you can't follow them, your account is going to be read-only. Discuss the topic, no name-calling and don't get personal. Please read the guidelines and follow them. This will be your only warning.
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Jews would do anything for money dont you know? Scary. I dont need another warning Kat or whoever the fuck you are. Ban me. It only ratifies my theory of you.
If you were half the man in person you are from behind a keyboard you would find out in about 2 seconds that no one victimizes me.
I hope I can give you the opportunity one day. And then you could always go crying to the ADL afterwards.
I'm not trying to say anything original, just pointing out the hypocrisy of your arguments for posterity's sake...wasn't sure if he'd show up before you succeeded in getting this locked. I didn't even quote you, hoping the thread could be salvaged somehow...but it's beome quite the trainwreck (guffaw), so I'ma bow out before I earn my first banning in the middle of making tour plans. I feel like yer gettin 10 and a game and tryin to take me with ya, eh?
I will say one more thing - 10C is makin decent cash off you with all these renewals.
we finally agree. but youre a weak man. most haters are. so i wont hold my breath. besides. youre english. when i re-arrange your teeth it will probably be an improvement.
http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/6/68 ... _super.jpg
Was that your second attempt at posting a picture?
Maybe if you weren't frothing at the mouth so much you wouldn't have fucked it up.
Anyway, this is boring. And you really aren't worth getting banned for.
Cheerio!
Edit: Do you keep many pictures of shit queens on your desktop Brian Michaels?
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
a rail link???? are you kidding me?
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
maria, every one of your last 60 posts have been attacks on byrnzie. it is really getting old reading how you are trying to bait him into stooping to your level. i don't have a problem with your opinion at all, only your presentation, and how you refuse to answer direct questions, rather you just have another go at byrnzie. and no i am not his parakeet. i just happen to agree with much of what he posts. and there is no crime in that.
back on topic, before we were so rudely derailed, i posted an article about how leading republicans are bashng obama about this speech. what does everyone think of that? i believe they are just playing politics and that they are opposing obama not because of what he said, rather because HE said anything at all. he could have come out and said that there will be no chance of a separate palentinian state and these same republicans would attack him for that as well. the man can not win. period.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
It would be interesting to know why this guy thinks Israel's survival is dependent on maintaning the illegal settlements.
This makes absolutely no sense at all. Israel currently has hundreds of isolated settlements in the middle of Palestinian land. Surely if security is the issue then these settlements would be abandoned and the residents moved behind the internationally recognized border. The border could then be fortified.
As for the Palestinians security...how will they be protected from Israeli incursions and missile strikes?
have no fear my american friend.. the australian govt will continue to kiss washingtons butt... at least until the rapture destroys mankind.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
just your mum
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
and yes, you would think that if security was in fact the issue it would be easier to secure a single larger area rather than trying to secure multiple smaller areas.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
and my guess is there will be much laughter to obama's face during his meeting with mr netanyahu tomorrow..
someone posted a link earlier that had netanyahu saying something like "he just doesn't get it" referring to what obama was saying...
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
If he threatened to cut the funding, as Unsung suggested earlier, then maybe that will put the squeeze on Netanyahu.