Death Photo of OBL

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Jeanwah wrote:

You people can be really contradictive.

One one hand, there are the bunch who believe he's dead, because they want to believe it and they believe the media/govt. Then the same bunch are saying that a photo wont prove anything. Talk about negative thinking... You're all making this skeptic look like an optimist! Perhaps, I am. :?

I don't think it shows that "we people" are contradictory. I think it shows acknowledgement that some of "you people" are nuts.

StillHere

personally i am not saying that a photo won't prove anything...

i am saying that as far as the debate goes ..it won't make a difference..as in it won't change the minds of those who have already made a decision one way or the other.

as i said..some will say...ahhhaa..i see
and others will say..no way, not him

you know its true

g under p

I will say this much, if there ever was a scenario to fake OBL's death well this administration is doing a great job. As far as i know they have not released any photos or videos to the public, he was apparently buried at sea so there's apparently no body to go back and take a second look etc.

Why would this administration want to fake all of this?

What if he was already dead several years ago and for whatever reason they want this distraction to come about NOW. Fake his killing, take USA claim to his death that we brought him to justice etc in the name of protecting us from the terrorists. Maybe there's more to come in a few months, can you imagine if this was an election year and this happened around August/September? There would be far more theories etc.

Also by NOT releasing any photos or videos it keeps this event in the minds of the citizenry for some time till the time/moment is right say next year an election year. I once worked for the government and for me they are the last set of people I will believe exactly every word they release as truth.

If they say they had him under surveillance (or knew where OBL might be located) for 7 months, I will tend to believe it was longer than that. You know what don't believe a word I say because at times my time in the military has driven me to the edge of insanity.

Peace

wolfamongwolves

The absense of a photo might mean there isn't objective evidence that he is dead. But conversely, are there any objective grounds to suggest that he isn't? Photo or no photo, in all likelihood, OBL is dead. We may have reason to be suspicious of the motivations behind the reluctance to release a photo, but it's highly unlikely that those motivations are because he's not dead.

Anyway, even without a photo, there is more reason to believe him dead now. Breaking news on the Guardian website is saying that Al Qaeda have confirmed that he is.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/blog/20 ... -live-blog

1.45pm: Hello and welcome to our continuing coverage of the aftermath of the US raid to kill Osama bin Laden. We begin our coverage today with the breaking news that al-Qaida has released a statement conceding that the terrorist organisation's leader is indeed dead.

1.48pm: The news comes from Reuters, which quotes the Site monitoring service as saying: "Al-Qaida released a statement on jihadist forums on May 6, 2011, confirming the death of its leader, Osama bin Laden."

Godfather.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/0 ... 1&iref=BN1

CNN) -- Al Qaeda released a statement on jihadist forums Friday confirming the death of its leader, Osama bin Laden, according to SITE Intelligence Group, which monitors Islamist websites.

The development comes days after U.S. troops killed bin Laden in a raid on a compound in the Pakistani city of Abbottabad.

The statement, translated by SITE, lauded the late militant, threatened to take action against the United States, and urged Pakistanis to "rise up and revolt."

Bin Laden's death will serve as a "curse that chases the Americans and their agents, and goes after them inside and outside their countries," the message said.

"Soon -- with help from Allah -- their happiness will turn into sorrow, and their blood will be mixed with their tears," it said.

The statement said al Qaeda will "continue on the path of jihad, the path walked upon by our leaders, and on top of them" bin Laden "without hesitation or reluctance.

"We will not deviate from that or change until Allah judges between us and between our enemy with truth. Indeed, He is the best of all judges. Nothing will harm us after that, until we see either victory and success and conquest and empowerment, or we die trying."

It said that Americans "will never enjoy security until our people in Palestine enjoy it."

"The soldiers of Islam, groups and individuals, will continue planning without tiredness or boredom, and without despair or surrender, and without weakness or stagnancy, until they cause the disaster that makes children look like the elderly!"

It urged Pakistanis "to cleanse this shame that has been attached to them by a clique of traitors and thieves" and "from the filth of the Americans who spread corruption in it."

Bin Laden and other militants used the Internet to post messages to their followers before and after al Qaeda's September, 11, 2001 attack on the United States.

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"Nothing will harm us after that, until we see either victory and success and conquest and empowerment, or we die trying."
I think the later part of this statement sums it up "die trying"....what a bunch of assholes. :crazy:

Godfather.

usamamasan1

mmmmm bacon

JonnyPistachio

wolfamongwolves wrote:

The absense of a photo might mean there isn't objective evidence that he is dead. But conversely, are there any objective grounds to suggest that he isn't? Photo or no photo, in all likelihood, OBL is dead. We may have reason to be suspicious of the motivations behind the reluctance to release a photo, but it's highly unlikely that those motivations are because he's not dead.

Anyway, even without a photo, there is more reason to believe him dead now. Breaking news on the Guardian website is saying that Al Qaeda have confirmed that he is.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/blog/20 ... -live-blog

1.45pm: Hello and welcome to our continuing coverage of the aftermath of the US raid to kill Osama bin Laden. We begin our coverage today with the breaking news that al-Qaida has released a statement conceding that the terrorist organisation's leader is indeed dead.

1.48pm: The news comes from Reuters, which quotes the Site monitoring service as saying: "Al-Qaida released a statement on jihadist forums on May 6, 2011, confirming the death of its leader, Osama bin Laden."

Good stuff..
Also, there were reportedly like 20 people in the compound at the time of the killing. Many of them are being questioned by Pakistani authorities. One of bin ladens wives is being questioned. Do people think that 20 or so of bin ladens associates are in on a cover-up too?

Like G underP says, why would they want to fake this? If it ever came out that it was faked, (like bin laden shows up, or that he was already dead years ago), that would be political suicide for everyone involved in a cover up.

He's dead.

Jeanwah

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Jeanwah wrote:

You people can be really contradictive.

One one hand, there are the bunch who believe he's dead, because they want to believe it and they believe the media/govt. Then the same bunch are saying that a photo wont prove anything. Talk about negative thinking... You're all making this skeptic look like an optimist! Perhaps, I am. :?

I don't think it shows that "we people" are contradictory. I think it shows acknowledgement that some of "you people" are nuts.

You have a right to your own opinion. Doesn't affect me whatsoever.

Jeanwah

g under p wrote:

Why would this administration want to fake all of this?

Peace

I don't know. But then why would an administration change its story multiple times since the story was released? Why would they dispose of the body before telling the public? Why do they think that no photos are acceptable when we've seen death photos of Saddham Hussein and his sons ? Why is this appropriate, yet releasing bin Laden's death photo isn't? Why was it acceptable under Bush's administration to not release to the public the photos of the coffins of dead soldiers, yet Obama has changed that back to allowing the public the right to see them? Do you see where this is all conflicting?

inmytree

I'm guessing this won't satisfy the Deathers...but who knows...


http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.c ... hp?ref=fpa

Al Qaeda 'Confirms' Osama Bin Laden's Death
May 6, 2011, 9:02AM

Al Qaeda's leadership has issued a statement confirming the death of Osama bin Laden, the Associated Press reports.

The statement, dated May 3, has not been independently verified, but is signed by "the general leadership" of Al Qaeda and posted on militant websites through which the group normally puts out messages.

"We stress that the blood of the holy warrior sheik, Osama bin Laden, God bless him, is precious to us and to all Muslims and will no go in vain," the statement said. "We will remain, God willing, a curse chasing the Americans and their agents, following them outside and inside their countries."

The statement called for the people of Pakistan to rise up in revolt, and states that an audio recording bin Laden recorded shortly before his death will soon be released. (Earlier this week, there were rumors that bin Laden had taped a final message before he was killed.)

"Soon, God willing, their happiness will turn to sadness... their blood will be mingled with their tears," the statement said of Americans.

CNN has also seen the statement and is working to translate it.

wolfamongwolves

Jeanwah wrote:

g under p wrote:

Why would this administration want to fake all of this?

Peace

I don't know. But then why would an administration change its story multiple times since the story was released? Why would they dispose of the body before telling the public? Why do they think that no photos are acceptable when we've seen death photos of Saddham Hussein and his sons ? Why is this appropriate, yet releasing bin Laden's death photo isn't? Why was it acceptable under Bush's administration to not release to the public the photos of the coffins of dead soldiers, yet Obama has changed that back to allowing the public the right to see them? Do you see where this is all conflicting?

As I said above, there is good reason to question the motivations for not releasing the pictures. But it's quite a leap from that to the unsupported assumption that no picture means he's not dead. There are plenty of much more reasonable (if not necessarily good) reasons why they won't release the pictures.

inmytree

Jeanwah wrote:

g under p wrote:

Why would this administration want to fake all of this?

Peace

I don't know. But then why would an administration change its story multiple times since the story was released? Why would they dispose of the body before telling the public? Why do they think that no photos are acceptable when we've seen death photos of Saddham Hussein and his sons ? Why is this appropriate, yet releasing bin Laden's death photo isn't? Why was it acceptable under Bush's administration to not release to the public the photos of the coffins of dead soldiers, yet Obama has changed that back to allowing the public the right to see them? Do you see where this is all conflicting?

Conflicting...no....the world is not always black and white...

I get the sense that even if the photo was released you wouldn't be satisfied...

Jeanwah

inmytree wrote:

Jeanwah wrote:

g under p wrote:

Why would this administration want to fake all of this?

Peace

I don't know. But then why would an administration change its story multiple times since the story was released? Why would they dispose of the body before telling the public? Why do they think that no photos are acceptable when we've seen death photos of Saddham Hussein and his sons ? Why is this appropriate, yet releasing bin Laden's death photo isn't? Why was it acceptable under Bush's administration to not release to the public the photos of the coffins of dead soldiers, yet Obama has changed that back to allowing the public the right to see them? Do you see where this is all conflicting?

Conflicting...no....the world is not always black and white...

I get the sense that even if the photo was released you wouldn't be satisfied...

Not so. And I personally don't like to be catagorized. I'm truly shocked that the majority of this intelligent community known as AMT accepts all of this without proof.

Jeanwah

wolfamongwolves wrote:

Jeanwah wrote:

g under p wrote:

Why would this administration want to fake all of this?

Peace

I don't know. But then why would an administration change its story multiple times since the story was released? Why would they dispose of the body before telling the public? Why do they think that no photos are acceptable when we've seen death photos of Saddham Hussein and his sons ? Why is this appropriate, yet releasing bin Laden's death photo isn't? Why was it acceptable under Bush's administration to not release to the public the photos of the coffins of dead soldiers, yet Obama has changed that back to allowing the public the right to see them? Do you see where this is all conflicting?

As I said above, there is good reason to question the motivations for not releasing the pictures. But it's quite a leap from that to the unsupported assumption that no picture means he's not dead. There are plenty of much more reasonable (if not necessarily good) reasons why they won't release the pictures.

No. There is no good reason. The fact that so many are accepting this news is because you all want to believe it's true. Hey, so do I, but I need hard documentation. What does this say about your character, as well as everyone else's who are happy without proof? Easily led.

inmytree

Jeanwah wrote:

Not so. And I personally don't like to be catagorized. I'm truly shocked that the majority of this intelligent community known as AMT accepts all of this without proof.

Some guy named Al Qaeda confirmed the death...I think that bears some weight...

I guess you do make a good point though...I wonder if Michael Jackson is dead...I have to question this as I've never seen a death photo of him...maybe he and Farrah Fawcett (again, no death photo) are living the high life on some exotic island...

perhaps it should become common practice to print death photos in the Obituary section...

Jeanwah

inmytree wrote:

Jeanwah wrote:

Not so. And I personally don't like to be catagorized. I'm truly shocked that the majority of this intelligent community known as AMT accepts all of this without proof.

Some guy named Al Qaeda confirmed the death...I think that bears some weight...

I guess you do make a good point though...I wonder if Michael Jackson is dead...I have to question this as I've never seen a death photo of him...maybe he and Farrah Fawcett (again, no death photo) are living the high life on some exotic island...

perhaps it should become common practice to print death photos in the Obituary section...

Believing that a terrorist like OBL is dead without proof is just utterly insane. There is no comparison when you talk about celebrities in the same way.

inmytree

Jeanwah wrote:

inmytree wrote:

Jeanwah wrote:

Not so. And I personally don't like to be catagorized. I'm truly shocked that the majority of this intelligent community known as AMT accepts all of this without proof.

Some guy named Al Qaeda confirmed the death...I think that bears some weight...

I guess you do make a good point though...I wonder if Michael Jackson is dead...I have to question this as I've never seen a death photo of him...maybe he and Farrah Fawcett (again, no death photo) are living the high life on some exotic island...

perhaps it should become common practice to print death photos in the Obituary section...

Believing that a terrorist like OBL is dead without proof is just utterly insane. There is no comparison when you talk about celebrities in the same way.

insane, huh...?

why is there no comparison...? how do you know MJ is dead...how do you know anyone is dead if you didn't see a death photo...?

I'm getting the sense that you wouldn't be satisfied with anything other than being part of Navy Seal team 6...

ed243421

Jeanwah wrote:

inmytree wrote:

Jeanwah wrote:

Not so. And I personally don't like to be catagorized. I'm truly shocked that the majority of this intelligent community known as AMT accepts all of this without proof.

Some guy named Al Qaeda confirmed the death...I think that bears some weight...

I guess you do make a good point though...I wonder if Michael Jackson is dead...I have to question this as I've never seen a death photo of him...maybe he and Farrah Fawcett (again, no death photo) are living the high life on some exotic island...

perhaps it should become common practice to print death photos in the Obituary section...

Believing that a terrorist like OBL is dead without proof is just utterly insane. There is no comparison when you talk about celebrities in the same way.

even though my gut tells me he is dead

i understand where jeanwah is coming from

the hollywood reference does not apply

this is about questioning a corrupt government and its inconsistant actions

JonnyPistachio

Jeanwah wrote:

What does this say about your character, as well as everyone else's who are happy without proof? Easily led.

Gimme a break. Calling us 'easily led' is childish.
Do you have an answer to how risky it would be for politicians to cover this up?
If he's not dead, what happens to the US govt when bin laden shows up next week?
What about the 20+ people that were in the compound at the time of the assault who are in the hands of the Pakistanis?
Do you realize the scope it would take and risks to cover this kind of thing up?

As far as the Saddam thing.. That was shaky, shitty video. Again, have you seen Wag the Dog? What IS real proof these days? Is is possible that since bin ladens head was nearly blown off, he doest quite even look like bin laden anymore? You're starting to sound like a typical conspiracy theorist.

Do you think bin laden is still alive?

Jeanwah

JonnyPistachio wrote:

Jeanwah wrote:

What does this say about your character, as well as everyone else's who are happy without proof? Easily led.

Gimme a break. Calling us 'easily led' is childish.
Do you have an answer to how risky it would be for politicians to cover this up?
If he's not dead, what happens to the US govt when bin laden shows up next week?
What about the 20+ people that were in the compound at the time of the assault who are in the hands of the Pakistanis?
Do you realize the scope it would take and risks to cover this kind of thing up?

As far as the Saddam thing.. That was shaky, shitty video. Again, have you seen Wag the Dog? What IS real proof these days? Is is possible that since bin ladens head was nearly blown off, he doest quite even look like bin laden anymore? You're starting to sound like a typical conspiracy theorist.

Do you think bin laden is still alive?

I'm not saying that they're pushing a cover up. I've said before that I'd like this news that he's dead to be true.

Why is this so hard for people to comprehend? If a notorious terrorist is dead, then there should be proof of it. End of story.