"A photo will end the speculation -- just like the Zapruder film put an end to all that J.F.K. business." -- Jon Stewart on the pressure to release photos of Bin Laden’s dead body
Can't watch it chuck, i'm in the UK. Why restrict stuff like this? Surely it's more promotion for their show etc :evil:
Dunno about the J.F.K thing. Still feels like the conspiracy thing is embedded now in popular culture.
When so many people doubted bin Laden was still alive ("Has anyone actually seen him?" "Has he released any videos recently?") I think it's amusing that there are people who don't believe that he's dead.
When we fired missiles at his camp in the 90s and missed him, he wasted no time in getting to the airwaves and announcing that he'd survived. Don't think he'd do the same thing now? Al Qaeda has pronounced him a martyr. Sounds like he's dead to me.
Of course, the inevitable death photo has been leaked: :P
When so many people doubted bin Laden was still alive ("Has anyone actually seen him?" "Has he released any videos recently?") I think it's amusing that there are people who don't believe that he's dead.
When we fired missiles at his camp in the 90s and missed him, he wasted no time in getting to the airwaves and announcing that he'd survived. Don't think he'd do the same thing now? Al Qaeda has pronounced him a martyr. Sounds like he's dead to me.
Of course, the inevitable death photo has been leaked: :P
Very good point. He would've had a video out by now saying they didn't get him.
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Islam takes great care and respect over it's dead and by showing these photos it would generate fury and sadness to those who follow that path. It's not about respect for him, but for their customs. I think that takes president over anybodys curiosity or any conspiracy theories.
If people don't believe he is dead then the photos won't make much difference, they will still be skeptical and be responsive to what ever theories get circulated.
Wouldn't be suprised if they are 'released' in a few years once everything has calmed down.
Well said. We would be offending the Muslim people as a whole, not just the bin Laden supporters.
So respect for Muslims trumps proof that OBL is dead? We need proof. We need truth. We need something to verify that this is the real deal. Otherwise it's all just hearsay.
So respect for Muslims trumps proof that OBL is dead? We need proof. We need truth. We need something to verify that this is the real deal. Otherwise it's all just hearsay.
Yes.
Like I already mentioned "A photo will end the speculation..." And until proof is given, the debate will continue...
So respect for Muslims trumps proof that OBL is dead? We need proof. We need truth. We need something to verify that this is the real deal. Otherwise it's all just hearsay.
Yes.
Like I already mentioned "A photo will end the speculation..." And until proof is given, the debate will continue...
No it won't end the speculation. Some people hold on to their beliefs no matter how much proof is given to the contrary.
So respect for Muslims trumps proof that OBL is dead? We need proof. We need truth. We need something to verify that this is the real deal. Otherwise it's all just hearsay.
Yes.
Like I already mentioned "A photo will end the speculation..." And until proof is given, the debate will continue...
And if a photo comes out, people will say it's fake.
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a photo would not matter one iota one way or the other..
one will say..." ahh...there it is..."
and
one will say..."yeah, sure..right"
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One one hand, there are the bunch who believe he's dead, because they want to believe it and they believe the media/govt. Then the same bunch are saying that a photo wont prove anything. Talk about negative thinking... You're all making this skeptic look like an optimist! Perhaps, I am. :?
One one hand, there are the bunch who believe he's dead, because they want to believe it and they believe the media/govt. Then the same bunch are saying that a photo wont prove anything. Talk about negative thinking... You're all making this skeptic look like an optimist! Perhaps, I am. :?
It's not that much of a contradiction. The same people who believe Osama Bin Laden is dead are also saying that if a photo is released, it won't convince some of the people who don't believe he is dead.
23% of the country swore Obama was born in Kenya, and all we heard was, "If he releases his birth certificate it will solve all of this!" So the birth certificate was released, and the response was, "It could still be a fake - it might be photoshopped!"
There is video footage of men walking on the moon... and there are still people who don't believe it happened.
Releasing photos of Osama Bin Laden will never satisfy all of the people who say he's still alive. There will still be people who think the photos are a fake.
And I listen for the voice inside my head... nothing. I'll do this one myself.
One one hand, there are the bunch who believe he's dead, because they want to believe it and they believe the media/govt. Then the same bunch are saying that a photo wont prove anything. Talk about negative thinking... You're all making this skeptic look like an optimist! Perhaps, I am. :?
I don't think it shows that "we people" are contradictory. I think it shows acknowledgement that some of "you people" are nuts.
personally i am not saying that a photo won't prove anything...
i am saying that as far as the debate goes ..it won't make a difference..as in it won't change the minds of those who have already made a decision one way or the other.
as i said..some will say...ahhhaa..i see
and others will say..no way, not him
you know its true
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I will say this much, if there ever was a scenario to fake OBL's death well this administration is doing a great job. As far as i know they have not released any photos or videos to the public, he was apparently buried at sea so there's apparently no body to go back and take a second look etc.
Why would this administration want to fake all of this?
What if he was already dead several years ago and for whatever reason they want this distraction to come about NOW. Fake his killing, take USA claim to his death that we brought him to justice etc in the name of protecting us from the terrorists. Maybe there's more to come in a few months, can you imagine if this was an election year and this happened around August/September? There would be far more theories etc.
Also by NOT releasing any photos or videos it keeps this event in the minds of the citizenry for some time till the time/moment is right say next year an election year. I once worked for the government and for me they are the last set of people I will believe exactly every word they release as truth.
If they say they had him under surveillance (or knew where OBL might be located) for 7 months, I will tend to believe it was longer than that. You know what don't believe a word I say because at times my time in the military has driven me to the edge of insanity.
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The absense of a photo might mean there isn't objective evidence that he is dead. But conversely, are there any objective grounds to suggest that he isn't? Photo or no photo, in all likelihood, OBL is dead. We may have reason to be suspicious of the motivations behind the reluctance to release a photo, but it's highly unlikely that those motivations are because he's not dead.
Anyway, even without a photo, there is more reason to believe him dead now. Breaking news on the Guardian website is saying that Al Qaeda have confirmed that he is.
1.45pm: Hello and welcome to our continuing coverage of the aftermath of the US raid to kill Osama bin Laden. We begin our coverage today with the breaking news that al-Qaida has released a statement conceding that the terrorist organisation's leader is indeed dead.
1.48pm: The news comes from Reuters, which quotes the Site monitoring service as saying: "Al-Qaida released a statement on jihadist forums on May 6, 2011, confirming the death of its leader, Osama bin Laden."
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CNN) -- Al Qaeda released a statement on jihadist forums Friday confirming the death of its leader, Osama bin Laden, according to SITE Intelligence Group, which monitors Islamist websites.
The development comes days after U.S. troops killed bin Laden in a raid on a compound in the Pakistani city of Abbottabad.
The statement, translated by SITE, lauded the late militant, threatened to take action against the United States, and urged Pakistanis to "rise up and revolt."
Bin Laden's death will serve as a "curse that chases the Americans and their agents, and goes after them inside and outside their countries," the message said.
"Soon -- with help from Allah -- their happiness will turn into sorrow, and their blood will be mixed with their tears," it said.
The statement said al Qaeda will "continue on the path of jihad, the path walked upon by our leaders, and on top of them" bin Laden "without hesitation or reluctance.
"We will not deviate from that or change until Allah judges between us and between our enemy with truth. Indeed, He is the best of all judges. Nothing will harm us after that, until we see either victory and success and conquest and empowerment, or we die trying."
It said that Americans "will never enjoy security until our people in Palestine enjoy it."
"The soldiers of Islam, groups and individuals, will continue planning without tiredness or boredom, and without despair or surrender, and without weakness or stagnancy, until they cause the disaster that makes children look like the elderly!"
It urged Pakistanis "to cleanse this shame that has been attached to them by a clique of traitors and thieves" and "from the filth of the Americans who spread corruption in it."
Bin Laden and other militants used the Internet to post messages to their followers before and after al Qaeda's September, 11, 2001 attack on the United States.
"Nothing will harm us after that, until we see either victory and success and conquest and empowerment, or we die trying."
I think the later part of this statement sums it up "die trying"....what a bunch of assholes. :crazy:
The absense of a photo might mean there isn't objective evidence that he is dead. But conversely, are there any objective grounds to suggest that he isn't? Photo or no photo, in all likelihood, OBL is dead. We may have reason to be suspicious of the motivations behind the reluctance to release a photo, but it's highly unlikely that those motivations are because he's not dead.
Anyway, even without a photo, there is more reason to believe him dead now. Breaking news on the Guardian website is saying that Al Qaeda have confirmed that he is.
1.45pm: Hello and welcome to our continuing coverage of the aftermath of the US raid to kill Osama bin Laden. We begin our coverage today with the breaking news that al-Qaida has released a statement conceding that the terrorist organisation's leader is indeed dead.
1.48pm: The news comes from Reuters, which quotes the Site monitoring service as saying: "Al-Qaida released a statement on jihadist forums on May 6, 2011, confirming the death of its leader, Osama bin Laden."
Good stuff..
Also, there were reportedly like 20 people in the compound at the time of the killing. Many of them are being questioned by Pakistani authorities. One of bin ladens wives is being questioned. Do people think that 20 or so of bin ladens associates are in on a cover-up too?
Like G underP says, why would they want to fake this? If it ever came out that it was faked, (like bin laden shows up, or that he was already dead years ago), that would be political suicide for everyone involved in a cover up.
One one hand, there are the bunch who believe he's dead, because they want to believe it and they believe the media/govt. Then the same bunch are saying that a photo wont prove anything. Talk about negative thinking... You're all making this skeptic look like an optimist! Perhaps, I am. :?
I don't think it shows that "we people" are contradictory. I think it shows acknowledgement that some of "you people" are nuts.
You have a right to your own opinion. Doesn't affect me whatsoever.
Why would this administration want to fake all of this?
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I don't know. But then why would an administration change its story multiple times since the story was released? Why would they dispose of the body before telling the public? Why do they think that no photos are acceptable when we've seen death photos of Saddham Hussein and his sons ? Why is this appropriate, yet releasing bin Laden's death photo isn't? Why was it acceptable under Bush's administration to not release to the public the photos of the coffins of dead soldiers, yet Obama has changed that back to allowing the public the right to see them? Do you see where this is all conflicting?
Al Qaeda 'Confirms' Osama Bin Laden's Death
May 6, 2011, 9:02AM
Al Qaeda's leadership has issued a statement confirming the death of Osama bin Laden, the Associated Press reports.
The statement, dated May 3, has not been independently verified, but is signed by "the general leadership" of Al Qaeda and posted on militant websites through which the group normally puts out messages.
"We stress that the blood of the holy warrior sheik, Osama bin Laden, God bless him, is precious to us and to all Muslims and will no go in vain," the statement said. "We will remain, God willing, a curse chasing the Americans and their agents, following them outside and inside their countries."
The statement called for the people of Pakistan to rise up in revolt, and states that an audio recording bin Laden recorded shortly before his death will soon be released. (Earlier this week, there were rumors that bin Laden had taped a final message before he was killed.)
"Soon, God willing, their happiness will turn to sadness... their blood will be mingled with their tears," the statement said of Americans.
CNN has also seen the statement and is working to translate it.
Why would this administration want to fake all of this?
Peace
I don't know. But then why would an administration change its story multiple times since the story was released? Why would they dispose of the body before telling the public? Why do they think that no photos are acceptable when we've seen death photos of Saddham Hussein and his sons ? Why is this appropriate, yet releasing bin Laden's death photo isn't? Why was it acceptable under Bush's administration to not release to the public the photos of the coffins of dead soldiers, yet Obama has changed that back to allowing the public the right to see them? Do you see where this is all conflicting?
As I said above, there is good reason to question the motivations for not releasing the pictures. But it's quite a leap from that to the unsupported assumption that no picture means he's not dead. There are plenty of much more reasonable (if not necessarily good) reasons why they won't release the pictures.
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Why would this administration want to fake all of this?
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I don't know. But then why would an administration change its story multiple times since the story was released? Why would they dispose of the body before telling the public? Why do they think that no photos are acceptable when we've seen death photos of Saddham Hussein and his sons ? Why is this appropriate, yet releasing bin Laden's death photo isn't? Why was it acceptable under Bush's administration to not release to the public the photos of the coffins of dead soldiers, yet Obama has changed that back to allowing the public the right to see them? Do you see where this is all conflicting?
Conflicting...no....the world is not always black and white...
I get the sense that even if the photo was released you wouldn't be satisfied...
Why would this administration want to fake all of this?
Peace
I don't know. But then why would an administration change its story multiple times since the story was released? Why would they dispose of the body before telling the public? Why do they think that no photos are acceptable when we've seen death photos of Saddham Hussein and his sons ? Why is this appropriate, yet releasing bin Laden's death photo isn't? Why was it acceptable under Bush's administration to not release to the public the photos of the coffins of dead soldiers, yet Obama has changed that back to allowing the public the right to see them? Do you see where this is all conflicting?
Conflicting...no....the world is not always black and white...
I get the sense that even if the photo was released you wouldn't be satisfied...
Not so. And I personally don't like to be catagorized. I'm truly shocked that the majority of this intelligent community known as AMT accepts all of this without proof.
Why would this administration want to fake all of this?
Peace
I don't know. But then why would an administration change its story multiple times since the story was released? Why would they dispose of the body before telling the public? Why do they think that no photos are acceptable when we've seen death photos of Saddham Hussein and his sons ? Why is this appropriate, yet releasing bin Laden's death photo isn't? Why was it acceptable under Bush's administration to not release to the public the photos of the coffins of dead soldiers, yet Obama has changed that back to allowing the public the right to see them? Do you see where this is all conflicting?
As I said above, there is good reason to question the motivations for not releasing the pictures. But it's quite a leap from that to the unsupported assumption that no picture means he's not dead. There are plenty of much more reasonable (if not necessarily good) reasons why they won't release the pictures.
No. There is no good reason. The fact that so many are accepting this news is because you all want to believe it's true. Hey, so do I, but I need hard documentation. What does this say about your character, as well as everyone else's who are happy without proof? Easily led.
Not so. And I personally don't like to be catagorized. I'm truly shocked that the majority of this intelligent community known as AMT accepts all of this without proof.
Some guy named Al Qaeda confirmed the death...I think that bears some weight...
I guess you do make a good point though...I wonder if Michael Jackson is dead...I have to question this as I've never seen a death photo of him...maybe he and Farrah Fawcett (again, no death photo) are living the high life on some exotic island...
perhaps it should become common practice to print death photos in the Obituary section...
Not so. And I personally don't like to be catagorized. I'm truly shocked that the majority of this intelligent community known as AMT accepts all of this without proof.
Some guy named Al Qaeda confirmed the death...I think that bears some weight...
I guess you do make a good point though...I wonder if Michael Jackson is dead...I have to question this as I've never seen a death photo of him...maybe he and Farrah Fawcett (again, no death photo) are living the high life on some exotic island...
perhaps it should become common practice to print death photos in the Obituary section...
Believing that a terrorist like OBL is dead without proof is just utterly insane. There is no comparison when you talk about celebrities in the same way.
Not so. And I personally don't like to be catagorized. I'm truly shocked that the majority of this intelligent community known as AMT accepts all of this without proof.
Some guy named Al Qaeda confirmed the death...I think that bears some weight...
I guess you do make a good point though...I wonder if Michael Jackson is dead...I have to question this as I've never seen a death photo of him...maybe he and Farrah Fawcett (again, no death photo) are living the high life on some exotic island...
perhaps it should become common practice to print death photos in the Obituary section...
Believing that a terrorist like OBL is dead without proof is just utterly insane. There is no comparison when you talk about celebrities in the same way.
insane, huh...?
why is there no comparison...? how do you know MJ is dead...how do you know anyone is dead if you didn't see a death photo...?
I'm getting the sense that you wouldn't be satisfied with anything other than being part of Navy Seal team 6...
Not so. And I personally don't like to be catagorized. I'm truly shocked that the majority of this intelligent community known as AMT accepts all of this without proof.
Some guy named Al Qaeda confirmed the death...I think that bears some weight...
I guess you do make a good point though...I wonder if Michael Jackson is dead...I have to question this as I've never seen a death photo of him...maybe he and Farrah Fawcett (again, no death photo) are living the high life on some exotic island...
perhaps it should become common practice to print death photos in the Obituary section...
Believing that a terrorist like OBL is dead without proof is just utterly insane. There is no comparison when you talk about celebrities in the same way.
even though my gut tells me he is dead
i understand where jeanwah is coming from
the hollywood reference does not apply
this is about questioning a corrupt government and its inconsistant actions
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What does this say about your character, as well as everyone else's who are happy without proof? Easily led.
Gimme a break. Calling us 'easily led' is childish.
Do you have an answer to how risky it would be for politicians to cover this up?
If he's not dead, what happens to the US govt when bin laden shows up next week?
What about the 20+ people that were in the compound at the time of the assault who are in the hands of the Pakistanis?
Do you realize the scope it would take and risks to cover this kind of thing up?
As far as the Saddam thing.. That was shaky, shitty video. Again, have you seen Wag the Dog? What IS real proof these days? Is is possible that since bin ladens head was nearly blown off, he doest quite even look like bin laden anymore? You're starting to sound like a typical conspiracy theorist.
What does this say about your character, as well as everyone else's who are happy without proof? Easily led.
Gimme a break. Calling us 'easily led' is childish.
Do you have an answer to how risky it would be for politicians to cover this up?
If he's not dead, what happens to the US govt when bin laden shows up next week?
What about the 20+ people that were in the compound at the time of the assault who are in the hands of the Pakistanis?
Do you realize the scope it would take and risks to cover this kind of thing up?
As far as the Saddam thing.. That was shaky, shitty video. Again, have you seen Wag the Dog? What IS real proof these days? Is is possible that since bin ladens head was nearly blown off, he doest quite even look like bin laden anymore? You're starting to sound like a typical conspiracy theorist.
Do you think bin laden is still alive?
I'm not saying that they're pushing a cover up. I've said before that I'd like this news that he's dead to be true.
Why is this so hard for people to comprehend? If a notorious terrorist is dead, then there should be proof of it. End of story.
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Can't watch it chuck, i'm in the UK. Why restrict stuff like this? Surely it's more promotion for their show etc :evil:
Dunno about the J.F.K thing. Still feels like the conspiracy thing is embedded now in popular culture.
When we fired missiles at his camp in the 90s and missed him, he wasted no time in getting to the airwaves and announcing that he'd survived. Don't think he'd do the same thing now? Al Qaeda has pronounced him a martyr. Sounds like he's dead to me.
Of course, the inevitable death photo has been leaked: :P
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Yes.
Like I already mentioned "A photo will end the speculation..." And until proof is given, the debate will continue...
No it won't end the speculation. Some people hold on to their beliefs no matter how much proof is given to the contrary.
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one will say..." ahh...there it is..."
and
one will say..."yeah, sure..right"
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One one hand, there are the bunch who believe he's dead, because they want to believe it and they believe the media/govt. Then the same bunch are saying that a photo wont prove anything. Talk about negative thinking... You're all making this skeptic look like an optimist!
It's not that much of a contradiction. The same people who believe Osama Bin Laden is dead are also saying that if a photo is released, it won't convince some of the people who don't believe he is dead.
23% of the country swore Obama was born in Kenya, and all we heard was, "If he releases his birth certificate it will solve all of this!" So the birth certificate was released, and the response was, "It could still be a fake - it might be photoshopped!"
There is video footage of men walking on the moon... and there are still people who don't believe it happened.
Releasing photos of Osama Bin Laden will never satisfy all of the people who say he's still alive. There will still be people who think the photos are a fake.
I don't think it shows that "we people" are contradictory. I think it shows acknowledgement that some of "you people" are nuts.
i am saying that as far as the debate goes ..it won't make a difference..as in it won't change the minds of those who have already made a decision one way or the other.
as i said..some will say...ahhhaa..i see
and others will say..no way, not him
you know its true
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Why would this administration want to fake all of this?
What if he was already dead several years ago and for whatever reason they want this distraction to come about NOW. Fake his killing, take USA claim to his death that we brought him to justice etc in the name of protecting us from the terrorists. Maybe there's more to come in a few months, can you imagine if this was an election year and this happened around August/September? There would be far more theories etc.
Also by NOT releasing any photos or videos it keeps this event in the minds of the citizenry for some time till the time/moment is right say next year an election year. I once worked for the government and for me they are the last set of people I will believe exactly every word they release as truth.
If they say they had him under surveillance (or knew where OBL might be located) for 7 months, I will tend to believe it was longer than that. You know what don't believe a word I say because at times my time in the military has driven me to the edge of insanity.
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Anyway, even without a photo, there is more reason to believe him dead now. Breaking news on the Guardian website is saying that Al Qaeda have confirmed that he is.
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CNN) -- Al Qaeda released a statement on jihadist forums Friday confirming the death of its leader, Osama bin Laden, according to SITE Intelligence Group, which monitors Islamist websites.
The development comes days after U.S. troops killed bin Laden in a raid on a compound in the Pakistani city of Abbottabad.
The statement, translated by SITE, lauded the late militant, threatened to take action against the United States, and urged Pakistanis to "rise up and revolt."
Bin Laden's death will serve as a "curse that chases the Americans and their agents, and goes after them inside and outside their countries," the message said.
"Soon -- with help from Allah -- their happiness will turn into sorrow, and their blood will be mixed with their tears," it said.
The statement said al Qaeda will "continue on the path of jihad, the path walked upon by our leaders, and on top of them" bin Laden "without hesitation or reluctance.
"We will not deviate from that or change until Allah judges between us and between our enemy with truth. Indeed, He is the best of all judges. Nothing will harm us after that, until we see either victory and success and conquest and empowerment, or we die trying."
It said that Americans "will never enjoy security until our people in Palestine enjoy it."
"The soldiers of Islam, groups and individuals, will continue planning without tiredness or boredom, and without despair or surrender, and without weakness or stagnancy, until they cause the disaster that makes children look like the elderly!"
It urged Pakistanis "to cleanse this shame that has been attached to them by a clique of traitors and thieves" and "from the filth of the Americans who spread corruption in it."
Bin Laden and other militants used the Internet to post messages to their followers before and after al Qaeda's September, 11, 2001 attack on the United States.
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"Nothing will harm us after that, until we see either victory and success and conquest and empowerment, or we die trying."
I think the later part of this statement sums it up "die trying"....what a bunch of assholes. :crazy:
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Good stuff..
Also, there were reportedly like 20 people in the compound at the time of the killing. Many of them are being questioned by Pakistani authorities. One of bin ladens wives is being questioned. Do people think that 20 or so of bin ladens associates are in on a cover-up too?
Like G underP says, why would they want to fake this? If it ever came out that it was faked, (like bin laden shows up, or that he was already dead years ago), that would be political suicide for everyone involved in a cover up.
He's dead.
You have a right to your own opinion. Doesn't affect me whatsoever.
I don't know. But then why would an administration change its story multiple times since the story was released? Why would they dispose of the body before telling the public? Why do they think that no photos are acceptable when we've seen death photos of Saddham Hussein and his sons ? Why is this appropriate, yet releasing bin Laden's death photo isn't? Why was it acceptable under Bush's administration to not release to the public the photos of the coffins of dead soldiers, yet Obama has changed that back to allowing the public the right to see them? Do you see where this is all conflicting?
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Al Qaeda 'Confirms' Osama Bin Laden's Death
May 6, 2011, 9:02AM
Al Qaeda's leadership has issued a statement confirming the death of Osama bin Laden, the Associated Press reports.
The statement, dated May 3, has not been independently verified, but is signed by "the general leadership" of Al Qaeda and posted on militant websites through which the group normally puts out messages.
"We stress that the blood of the holy warrior sheik, Osama bin Laden, God bless him, is precious to us and to all Muslims and will no go in vain," the statement said. "We will remain, God willing, a curse chasing the Americans and their agents, following them outside and inside their countries."
The statement called for the people of Pakistan to rise up in revolt, and states that an audio recording bin Laden recorded shortly before his death will soon be released. (Earlier this week, there were rumors that bin Laden had taped a final message before he was killed.)
"Soon, God willing, their happiness will turn to sadness... their blood will be mingled with their tears," the statement said of Americans.
CNN has also seen the statement and is working to translate it.
As I said above, there is good reason to question the motivations for not releasing the pictures. But it's quite a leap from that to the unsupported assumption that no picture means he's not dead. There are plenty of much more reasonable (if not necessarily good) reasons why they won't release the pictures.
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Conflicting...no....the world is not always black and white...
I get the sense that even if the photo was released you wouldn't be satisfied...
Not so. And I personally don't like to be catagorized. I'm truly shocked that the majority of this intelligent community known as AMT accepts all of this without proof.
No. There is no good reason. The fact that so many are accepting this news is because you all want to believe it's true. Hey, so do I, but I need hard documentation. What does this say about your character, as well as everyone else's who are happy without proof? Easily led.
Some guy named Al Qaeda confirmed the death...I think that bears some weight...
I guess you do make a good point though...I wonder if Michael Jackson is dead...I have to question this as I've never seen a death photo of him...maybe he and Farrah Fawcett (again, no death photo) are living the high life on some exotic island...
perhaps it should become common practice to print death photos in the Obituary section...
Believing that a terrorist like OBL is dead without proof is just utterly insane. There is no comparison when you talk about celebrities in the same way.
insane, huh...?
why is there no comparison...? how do you know MJ is dead...how do you know anyone is dead if you didn't see a death photo...?
I'm getting the sense that you wouldn't be satisfied with anything other than being part of Navy Seal team 6...
even though my gut tells me he is dead
i understand where jeanwah is coming from
the hollywood reference does not apply
this is about questioning a corrupt government and its inconsistant actions
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Gimme a break. Calling us 'easily led' is childish.
Do you have an answer to how risky it would be for politicians to cover this up?
If he's not dead, what happens to the US govt when bin laden shows up next week?
What about the 20+ people that were in the compound at the time of the assault who are in the hands of the Pakistanis?
Do you realize the scope it would take and risks to cover this kind of thing up?
As far as the Saddam thing.. That was shaky, shitty video. Again, have you seen Wag the Dog? What IS real proof these days? Is is possible that since bin ladens head was nearly blown off, he doest quite even look like bin laden anymore? You're starting to sound like a typical conspiracy theorist.
Do you think bin laden is still alive?
Why is this so hard for people to comprehend? If a notorious terrorist is dead, then there should be proof of it. End of story.