US teen found guilty of killing 4-year-old boy

dimitrispearljam

EmBleve wrote:

I can understand what you're saying dimitris, and yet on the other hand, where is the justice for the 4 year old boy?

a merderer must take what he deserve..what is the penalty for that?20-30 years?to a mental facility?to a prison?dont know..but not to shoot him in the head as well

zarocat

Thoughts_Arrive wrote:

EmBleve wrote:

I can understand what you're saying dimitris, and yet on the other hand, where is the justice for the 4 year old boy?

He didn't get the right to defend himself.
Therefore this evil asshole shouldn't have that right!

Neither did the 14 year old boy at the hand of his abuser. It's a vicious circle indeed. The only difference between the 4 year old & the 14 year old is that one of them is alive. That is all. In all likely hood, the 4 year old would have grown up and did the same thing to another child.

zarocat

Thoughts_Arrive wrote:

They prefer the sympathy for the monster approach.

I give no one sympathy or pity. What I do do is use my brain to understand a situation.

EmBleve

dimitrispearljam wrote:

EmBleve wrote:

I can understand what you're saying dimitris, and yet on the other hand, where is the justice for the 4 year old boy?

a merderer must take what he deserve..what is the penalty for that?20-30 years?to a mental facility?to a prison?dont know..but not to shoot him in the head as well

I wouldn't quite go that far.

Thoughts_Arrive

There are many people in this sick world that are victims of sexual abuse that do not go on and commit such crimes.
That is the worst fkn excuse in the book, I got abused so I will do it to someone else, come on get real.
People should know it is not right.

Thoughts_Arrive

zarocat wrote:

Thoughts_Arrive wrote:

They prefer the sympathy for the monster approach.

I give no one sympathy or pity. What I do do is use my brain to understand a situation.

So did I.

EmBleve

zarocat wrote:

Thoughts_Arrive wrote:

EmBleve wrote:

I can understand what you're saying dimitris, and yet on the other hand, where is the justice for the 4 year old boy?

He didn't get the right to defend himself.
Therefore this evil asshole shouldn't have that right!

Neither did the 14 year old boy at the hand of his abuser. It's a vicious circle indeed. The only difference between the 4 year old & the 14 year old is that one of them is alive. That is all. In all likely hood, the 4 year old would have grown up and did the same thing to another child.

well, I wouldn't say 'in all likelihood' that's what would have happened to the 4 year old. Sexual abuse is a terrible thing, no doubt!, but the majority of people who are sexually abused as children do not go on to sodomize and murder younger children when they are 14. There was more going on with this kid than just that. I am sure that whatever he endured as a child contributed to his present make-up, but that isn't an 'excuse' per se.

dimitrispearljam

EmBleve wrote:

dimitrispearljam wrote:

EmBleve wrote:

I can understand what you're saying dimitris, and yet on the other hand, where is the justice for the 4 year old boy?

a merderer must take what he deserve..what is the penalty for that?20-30 years?to a mental facility?to a prison?dont know..but not to shoot him in the head as well

I wouldn't quite go that far.

exactly..revenge isnt a solution,,this 14 years old boy act like animal..the society must not act like animal..
nothing will bring the 4 years old back,nothing make it parents feel better.
for me 14 years old is still a child..for me not only hom but his parents as well must face justice for create him like that...

EmBleve

Thoughts_Arrive wrote:

There are many people in this sick world that are victims of sexual abuse that do not go on and commit such crimes.
That is the worst fkn excuse in the book, I got abused so I will do it to someone else, come on get real.
People should know it is not right.

yes, that is basically what I just said in the post I just put up in the meantime, and of course he knew it wasn't right, that's why he killed him because he said he was going to tell on him for doing it. That fact alone should disqualify him from a legal insanity defense.

Thoughts_Arrive

EmBleve wrote:

Thoughts_Arrive wrote:

There are many people in this sick world that are victims of sexual abuse that do not go on and commit such crimes.
That is the worst fkn excuse in the book, I got abused so I will do it to someone else, come on get real.
People should know it is not right.

yes, that is basically what I just said in the post I just put up in the meantime, and of course he knew it wasn't right, that's why he killed him because he said he was going to tell on him for doing it. That fact alone should disqualify him from a legal insanity defense.

Spot on!

Thoughts_Arrive

zarofeline why are you deleting your posts?
I couldn't reply to your abuse abuser abused abuser wordplay.

bennett13

zarocat wrote:

Thoughts_Arrive wrote:

Whatever dude, whatever.
If you don't like my take on the matter no need to resort to being a smart ass.

I'm not being a smart ass man. Sure, it comes across like that but I'm serious dude. Your take on the matter gives this kid no chance that's what I don't like. The kid is not at fault here. The abuser of that kid is. To think differently & to say it's the kid & his lawyers using mental illness as an excuse is backwards.

You obviously have never worked in the criminal justice system before. To say that the kid is totally without blame is ludicrous. I'm also sick of people passing the buck and not taking responsibility for their own actions. As if everyone who was mistreated as a child can commit murder and be completely absolved of ANY culpability whatsoever! That's simply insane. We are each solely responsible for our own actions. There are plenty of people who were abused as children who don't commit these types of crimes. When it comes right down to it, it was that kid's CHOICE to commit murder. And he should absolutely be held accountable.

zarocat

Thoughts_Arrive wrote:

zarofeline why are you deleting your posts?
I couldn't reply to your abuse abuser abused abuser wordplay.

I deleted the posts because it became clear to me that they were no longer relevant.

Thoughts_Arrive wrote:

zarofeline

That's hilarious!! We would get along come to think of it.
A thought finally arrived, eh ?

I don't play with words. It is a responsibility to question everything and not just decide based on emotions.
i.e. If that was my 4 yr old, I would kill the 14 yr old.

We have a responsibility in these scenarios so the cycle of abuse is minimized. Nuking the kid doesn't do that.

You don't get anywhere solely feeding off emotion, in my opinion. It only leads to temporary.

zarocat

bennett13 wrote:

zarocat wrote:

Thoughts_Arrive wrote:

Whatever dude, whatever.
If you don't like my take on the matter no need to resort to being a smart ass.

I'm not being a smart ass man. Sure, it comes across like that but I'm serious dude. Your take on the matter gives this kid no chance that's what I don't like. The kid is not at fault here. The abuser of that kid is. To think differently & to say it's the kid & his lawyers using mental illness as an excuse is backwards.

You obviously have never worked in the criminal justice system before. To say that the kid is totally without blame is ludicrous. I'm also sick of people passing the buck and not taking responsibility for their own actions. As if everyone who was mistreated as a child can commit murder and be completely absolved of ANY culpability whatsoever! That's simply insane. We are each solely responsible for our own actions. There are plenty of people who were abused as children who don't commit these types of crimes. When it comes right down to it, it was that kid's CHOICE to commit murder. And he should absolutely be held accountable.

I said the kid is not at fault. Blame & fault are two different things. Blame would assign responsibility to his fault. It's not his fault.
Actually, I am with those who suffer from mental illness. I see my fair share of those abused who commit crimes and those who are abused and don't commit crimes.
Yes, some who have been abused know that they have been abused and that it has f#cked them up and put them in a position to further the abuse. If they know right from wrong and have not taken the recommended treatment etc., then you have a point. And again, it still isn't as easy as that.

pjfan31

dimitrispearljam wrote:

Eye for an Eye isnt a solution to a crime...everyone ,even the worst criminal must have the right to defent himself,its called Democracy,Justice
i think this is a more general issue..society and families need to work more hard for not let 14years old boys become murderers

Hey D, after my sister who I love and adore was the victim of a serious crime, and was within an inch of losing her life at the hands of some mongrel... I would happily beat the bloke who did it to my sister... He fucked her life, messed with my life and my whole family. And the guy has never been caught.. No justice for my sister... This happened 14 years ago this year... He is never going to get done for this.

I have no dramas with eye for an eye here... no problem at all...

Thoughts_Arrive

pjfan31 wrote:

dimitrispearljam wrote:

Eye for an Eye isnt a solution to a crime...everyone ,even the worst criminal must have the right to defent himself,its called Democracy,Justice
i think this is a more general issue..society and families need to work more hard for not let 14years old boys become murderers

Hey D, after my sister who I love and adore was the victim of a serious crime, and was within an inch of losing her life at the hands of some mongrel... I would happily beat the bloke who did it to my sister... He fucked her life, messed with my life and my whole family. And the guy has never been caught.. No justice for my sister... This happened 14 years ago this year... He is never going to get done for this.

I have no dramas with eye for an eye here... no problem at all...

Hope this scumbag is dealt with.

dimitrispearljam

pjfan31 wrote:

dimitrispearljam wrote:

Eye for an Eye isnt a solution to a crime...everyone ,even the worst criminal must have the right to defent himself,its called Democracy,Justice
i think this is a more general issue..society and families need to work more hard for not let 14years old boys become murderers

Hey D, after my sister who I love and adore was the victim of a serious crime, and was within an inch of losing her life at the hands of some mongrel... I would happily beat the bloke who did it to my sister... He fucked her life, messed with my life and my whole family. And the guy has never been caught.. No justice for my sister... This happened 14 years ago this year... He is never going to get done for this.

I have no dramas with eye for an eye here... no problem at all...

im pretty sure that is so hard..and i dont know how ill react if happens to my sister..i would be crazy,
and for sure the one did it must pay...the only thing im saying is when u are a person,that respect others life,you should think clear,and the whole community,society must do the same..you cant be like the criminal,like the murderer,like animal..we are different than them,we must support justice system,fair trial,cos we are different than criminal..in some countries someone stole a wallet and the justice cut his arm..no court,no justice,,cut the arm..
communities must be calm..cant react like criminals..eye for eye is wrong,,and lets say someone did a mistake,and steal you 50 $..the answer isnt to cut his arm.he must do jail time for pay for the mistake and protect community from him...if thye find the one did this bad think to your sister,revenge isnt the answer..to pay for his crime ,with jail time is the right one...

Nothingman54

zarocat wrote:

Thoughts_Arrive wrote:

They prefer the sympathy for the monster approach.

I give no one sympathy or pity. What I do do is use my brain to understand a situation.

When youv used your brain, let us know.

zarocat

Nothingman54 wrote:

zarocat wrote:

Thoughts_Arrive wrote:

They prefer the sympathy for the monster approach.

I give no one sympathy or pity. What I do do is use my brain to understand a situation.

When youv used your brain, let us know.

*You've

Nothingman54

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