Bill McKibben on Climate Change

aerial

I feel this organization is in bed with the radicals that believe "never waste a good crisis.”
Only when dealing with frightened and distracted people can nefarious groups foist their agenda on the masses.
I think we are all on the same side but the media and politicians are dividing this country.....
Unless you were there the pictures of ice, you see melting could be photo shopped...as others have proven to be.

polaris_x

aerial wrote:

Unless you were there the pictures of ice, you see melting could be photo shopped...as others have proven to be.

photoshopped!?? ... now, i've heard it all ...

i guess the tornadoes down south were faked and the floods in australia a hoax!?? ...

aerial

polaris_x wrote:

aerial wrote:

Unless you were there the pictures of ice, you see melting could be photo shopped...as others have proven to be.

photoshopped!?? ... now, i've heard it all ...

i guess the tornadoes down south were faked and the floods in australia a hoax!?? ...

Photoshopped? Oh that never happens!

polaris_x

aerial wrote:

Photoshopped? Oh that never happens!

can you imagine a scientific article using a photoshopped picture as evidence!?? ... and of a subject that anyone flying over the arctic could see first hand ...

it's absurd ... to say the least ...

i know you have your sources where you read about all this stuff ... but this is beyond silly ...

Jason P

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

that is a cop out. either you decide that it is real, or you decide that it isn't real. either way a decision needs to be urgently made.

How can you be 100% certain of what is real or fake when the issue of global warming, I mean climate change, is used as a political tool to push agendas? There is also a lack of historical data (at least past several hundred years ago) so at some point it can become a manipulation of data to support an answer someone is searching for. You have tons of liberal and conservative organizations just throwing "facts" and "stats" to the point where I couldn't trust anything unless I was actively involved in a study.

I think the environment should be taken care of. I think everyone should be a conservationist. But to me, glob...climate change is a boogey man used to push political agendas. Perhaps, if it had not become a political issue, we could all be working together at a common goal of conserving our planet ... probably not, but I like pipe dreams.

polaris_x

http://www.economist.com/blogs/democrac ... ate_change

edit: follow up

http://www.economist.com/blogs/democrac ... e_change_0

brianlux

It amazes me that there is still a large number of people still in denial regarding global warming. The evidence is overwhelming. If Bill McKibben is too much of a mainstream figure for you, I would suggest checking out this site from time to time:

http://www.realclimate.org/

350.org seems too trendy for you? Fine, then try reading E.O. Wilson, Henry Pollack, Stephan Faris.

This is hard science. This is reality. These folks are not idiots. They're not in it for the prestige or the money or the fame. There's no hidden agenda here. This is not about ego. All that these folks are trying to do is lessen what is shaping up to be a major problem for your kids future.

There is a lot of global warming contrarian press on the internet. If you read it, I would strongly urge you also look further- see who's behind it, find out what their motives are. Find out who sponsers and funds them. Do some research.

At the very least, do what Edward Abbey suggested- go out and take a look at the world around you. It's changing and it's changing in ways that are not going to be good for future generations.

Sorry if I sound preachy but there just isn't enough time to be overly polite on this subject.

gimmesometruth27

i have lost 42 pounds since september 17. does that mean that the force of gravity is going away?

seriously, some people would deny the law of gravity exists until they trip and fall down...

polaris_x

brianlux wrote:

It amazes me that there is still a large number of people still in denial regarding global warming. The evidence is overwhelming. If Bill McKibben is too much of a mainstream figure for you, I would suggest checking out this site from time to time:

http://www.realclimate.org/

350.org seems too trendy for you? Fine, then try reading E.O. Wilson, Henry Pollack, Stephan Faris.

This is hard science. This is reality. These folks are not idiots. They're not in it for the prestige or the money or the fame. There's no hidden agenda here. This is not about ego. All that these folks are trying to do is lessen what is shaping up to be a major problem for your kids future.

There is a lot of global warming contrarian press on the internet. If you read it, I would strongly urge you also look further- see who's behind it, find out what their motives are. Find out who sponsers and funds them. Do some research.

At the very least, do what Edward Abbey suggested- go out and take a look at the world around you. It's changing and it's changing in ways that are not going to be good for future generations.

Sorry if I sound preachy but there just isn't enough time to be overly polite on this subject.

haha ... i'm not sure how long you have been posting on this board but i have been beating that drum like forever ... haha ...

every now and then you'll get a new wave of lobby funded op-ed piece that the same folks will post and then when you show them that it's a load of crock - they go away ... then they come back with the same tired talking points they read from their right wing sources ...

what is truly sad is that the science of global warming is sooooooo simple ... it's not like you need to understand complex formulas and models ... but these people will NOT take the time to educate themselves ... they much rather read stuff that confirms their biases ...

brianlux

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

i have lost 42 pounds since september 17. does that mean that the force of gravity is going away?

seriously, some people would deny the law of gravity exists until they trip and fall down...

Thank you for reminding me of the essential need to keep a good sense of humor. I get pretty wrapped up in all this stuff sometimes.

Thanks also for good input, polaris_x. I've only been posting here since January of this year. I've been a PJ fan for quite a while but just hadn't caught on to this forum until recently and discovered there is intelligent life on a this site. It's good to be here!

whygohome

brianlux wrote:

It amazes me that there is still a large number of people still in denial regarding global warming. The evidence is overwhelming. If Bill McKibben is too much of a mainstream figure for you, I would suggest checking out this site from time to time:

http://www.realclimate.org/

350.org seems too trendy for you? Fine, then try reading E.O. Wilson, Henry Pollack, Stephan Faris.

This is hard science. This is reality. These folks are not idiots. They're not in it for the prestige or the money or the fame. There's no hidden agenda here. This is not about ego. All that these folks are trying to do is lessen what is shaping up to be a major problem for your kids future.

There is a lot of global warming contrarian press on the internet. If you read it, I would strongly urge you also look further- see who's behind it, find out what their motives are. Find out who sponsers and funds them. Do some research.

At the very least, do what Edward Abbey suggested- go out and take a look at the world around you. It's changing and it's changing in ways that are not going to be good for future generations.

Sorry if I sound preachy but there just isn't enough time to be overly polite on this subject.

Well put. I love Abbey: Desert Solitaire and Monkey Wrench Gang are high on my list of favorite environmentally based/influenced books.

whygohome

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

i have lost 42 pounds since september 17. does that mean that the force of gravity is going away?

seriously, some people would deny the law of gravity exists until they trip and fall down...

I don't mean to steer this thread away from the original topic, especially since it is a very important one, and since it is clear that people need to be educated on the issue, but I thought I would share a joke.

In one of the classes that I teach--Freshman Comp., everyone's favorite -- students were discussing the ludicrous idea of giving up Facebook for Lent. Now, I am a proud agnostic who, at times, has one foot in the door of atheism, so the idea of Lent is meaningless to me, but I was interested in what the students had to say. First, one student asked, "what the hell is Lent?" Another student replied, "It is when people give up chocolate or fried food to be closer to Jesus. But what do I know? I'm Jewish."
Later on in the conversation, students were discussing what would be meaningful to give up for Lent. In other words, what "sacrifice" could bring them closer to Jesus/God? I interjected and asked "If you want to be closer to God/Jesus, wouldn't you just give up gravity?" Most of the class laughed. I think they are under the impression that if they laugh at my lame jokes then they will get extra credit.

brianlux

whygohome wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

i have lost 42 pounds since september 17. does that mean that the force of gravity is going away?

seriously, some people would deny the law of gravity exists until they trip and fall down...

I don't mean to steer this thread away from the original topic, especially since it is a very important one, and since it is clear that people need to be educated on the issue, but I thought I would share a joke.

In one of the classes that I teach--Freshman Comp., everyone's favorite -- students were discussing the ludicrous idea of giving up Facebook for Lent. Now, I am a proud agnostic who, at times, has one foot in the door of atheism, so the idea of Lent is meaningless to me, but I was interested in what the students had to say. First, one student asked, "what the hell is Lent?" Another student replied, "It is when people give up chocolate or fried food to be closer to Jesus. But what do I know? I'm Jewish."
Later on in the conversation, students were discussing what would be meaningful to give up for Lent. In other words, what "sacrifice" could bring them closer to Jesus/God? I interjected and asked "If you want to be closer to God/Jesus, wouldn't you just give up gravity?" Most of the class laughed. I think they are under the impression that if they laugh at my lame jokes then they will get extra credit.

Good one, whygohome!

And yeah, I'm a big Abbey fan as well. He could tackle serious subjects as well as be funny as hell. I believe it was Abbey himself who described himself as a "Mudhead Kachina farting in polite company".
Speaking of- the same could be said of American Indian writer Sherman Alexie- heart breaking, tragic and outrageously funny all on the same page.

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