Bill McKibben on Climate Change

brianlux
brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,677
edited May 2011 in A Moving Train
Well worth the 15:43 to watch this. Note McKibben says, "We need to fight with art and music too." Lets get on board with this, P.J. fans, and help make this happen.

http://action.350.org/content_item/powershift-speech
"It's a sad and beautiful world"
-Roberto Benigni

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  • whygohome
    whygohome Posts: 2,305
    brianlux wrote:
    Well worth the 15:43 to watch this. Note McKibben says, "We need to fight with art and music too." Lets get on board with this, P.J. fans, and help make this happen.

    http://action.350.org/content_item/powershift-speech

    His The End of Nature and Kunstler's The Long Emergency are very scary.....and, in my opinion, prophetic. Oil, oil, oil, oil, oil..................
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    :thumbup:

    how to break through the ignorance?
  • Jeanwah
    Jeanwah Posts: 6,363
    polaris_x wrote:
    :thumbup:

    how to break through the ignorance?

    That would be the problem...

    Otherwise, I agree with Bill! :)
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,677
    polaris_x wrote:
    :thumbup:

    how to break through the ignorance?


    Some people won't listen or don't want to hear it- including a few of my best friends. But getting the word out on climate change does reach others. Everyone who does something positive makes a difference. To not at least try means accepting the consequences of climate change. Don't give up- spread the word!
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • whygohome
    whygohome Posts: 2,305
    polaris_x wrote:
    :thumbup:

    how to break through the ignorance?

    You can't. People's beliefs are more important than facts. There's no getting through to the stubborn and ignorant.
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,677
    whygohome wrote:
    polaris_x wrote:
    :thumbup:

    how to break through the ignorance?

    You can't. People's beliefs are more important than facts. There's no getting through to the stubborn and ignorant.

    Maybe true in many cases, but try anyway because it makes sense. Look at it this way:

    "Hope is not the conviction that something will turn out well but the certainty that something makes sense, regardless of how it turns out. Hope is a feeling that life and work have meaning. You either have it or you don't, regardless of the state of the world that surrounds you."

    -Vaclav Havel
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • ed243421
    ed243421 Posts: 7,744
    polaris_x wrote:
    :thumbup:

    how to break through the ignorance?

    time

    change don't come at once
    The whole world will be different soon... - EV
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  • aerial
    aerial Posts: 2,319
    http://theartofannihilation.com/2011/04/18/rockefeller%E2%80%99s-1sky-unveils-the-new-350-org-more-more-delusion/

    On 6 April 2011 it was announced that the RINGO (Rockefeller initiated NGO) 1Sky and their sister organization 350.org have ‘officially merged’ into one mass climate movement – the ‘NEW’ 350.org.

    Let the Vatican preach, hallefuckinglujah, as we double-up on the soma followed by a double shot of absinthe burning like the embers of hell. Thank you Rockefellers, Clintons, McKibben and friends. Make way for the onslaught of illusion in which green capitalism and false solutions will somehow save us. In one last final performance – the elites will now perform their final magical act that defies all logic. Drum roll please … ladies and gentleman … we will now embrace the same system which is systematically destroying us – splash it with a green patina … and now … this same system will magically save us. Justice for all! The illuminated signs flash toward the audience … applause! applause! applause!

    Follow the Money

    An example of what two prominent environmental groups, 1Sky and 350.org, receive from the Rockefeller foundations alone:

    Step it Up and 350.org (Sustainable Markets Foundation)

    · $100,000 for 1 year awarded on March 13, 2008 to support its project, Step it Up’s new initiative called Project 350
    · 40,000 2008 RFF Sustainable Markets Foundation | 350.org
    · $100,000 for 1 year awarded on March 3, 2009 for its Project 350
    · $200,000 for 1 year awarded on March 12, 2009 for its climate accountability project, The Sustainable Market Foundation
    · $75,000 for 1 year awarded on November 7, 2009 for its project 350.org
    · $25,000 for 1 year awarded on March 22, 2010 for its Eco-Accountability project
    · $100,000 for 1 year awarded on June 17, 2010 for its 350.org project

    1Sky Education Fund

    · $1,000,000 for 2 years awarded on December 13, 2007
    · $20,000 for 1 year awarded on November 17, 2008 for an alignment meeting of U.S. climate change leaders
    · 200,000 2008 RFF
    · 45,000 2008 RFF
    · $250,000 for 1 year awarded on June 18, 2009
    · $30,000 for 1 year awarded on April 9, 2009 to support a consultant to coordinate the alignment of U.S. climate change leaders and large grassroots organizations
    · $250,000 for 1 year awarded on November 2, 2009
    · $250,000 for 1 year awarded on November 19, 2009
    · 50,000 2009 RFF
    · 15,000 2009 RFF
    · 20,000 2009 RFF
    “We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,464
    aerial wrote:
    http://theartofannihilation.com/2011/04/18/rockefeller%E2%80%99s-1sky-unveils-the-new-350-org-more-more-delusion/

    On 6 April 2011 it was announced that the RINGO (Rockefeller initiated NGO) 1Sky and their sister organization 350.org have ‘officially merged’ into one mass climate movement – the ‘NEW’ 350.org.

    Let the Vatican preach, hallefuckinglujah, as we double-up on the soma followed by a double shot of absinthe burning like the embers of hell. Thank you Rockefellers, Clintons, McKibben and friends. Make way for the onslaught of illusion in which green capitalism and false solutions will somehow save us. In one last final performance – the elites will now perform their final magical act that defies all logic. Drum roll please … ladies and gentleman … we will now embrace the same system which is systematically destroying us – splash it with a green patina … and now … this same system will magically save us. Justice for all! The illuminated signs flash toward the audience … applause! applause! applause!

    Follow the Money

    An example of what two prominent environmental groups, 1Sky and 350.org, receive from the Rockefeller foundations alone:

    Step it Up and 350.org (Sustainable Markets Foundation)

    · $100,000 for 1 year awarded on March 13, 2008 to support its project, Step it Up’s new initiative called Project 350
    · 40,000 2008 RFF Sustainable Markets Foundation | 350.org
    · $100,000 for 1 year awarded on March 3, 2009 for its Project 350
    · $200,000 for 1 year awarded on March 12, 2009 for its climate accountability project, The Sustainable Market Foundation
    · $75,000 for 1 year awarded on November 7, 2009 for its project 350.org
    · $25,000 for 1 year awarded on March 22, 2010 for its Eco-Accountability project
    · $100,000 for 1 year awarded on June 17, 2010 for its 350.org project

    1Sky Education Fund

    · $1,000,000 for 2 years awarded on December 13, 2007
    · $20,000 for 1 year awarded on November 17, 2008 for an alignment meeting of U.S. climate change leaders
    · 200,000 2008 RFF
    · 45,000 2008 RFF
    · $250,000 for 1 year awarded on June 18, 2009
    · $30,000 for 1 year awarded on April 9, 2009 to support a consultant to coordinate the alignment of U.S. climate change leaders and large grassroots organizations
    · $250,000 for 1 year awarded on November 2, 2009
    · $250,000 for 1 year awarded on November 19, 2009
    · 50,000 2009 RFF
    · 15,000 2009 RFF
    · 20,000 2009 RFF
    this is an example of the most unbiased reporting i have ever seen in my life....how can someone write what this guy wrote in the first 2 paragraphs and expect to be taken seriously?
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • aerial
    aerial Posts: 2,319
    If they scare people into believing the world will come to an end if we use gas, then no one will want to drill and they stay rich...get it?
    “We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
  • aerial
    aerial Posts: 2,319
    edited April 2011
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    aerial wrote:
    http://theartofannihilation.com/2011/04/18/rockefeller%E2%80%99s-1sky-unveils-the-new-350-org-more-more-delusion/

    On 6 April 2011 it was announced that the RINGO (Rockefeller initiated NGO) 1Sky and their sister organization 350.org have ‘officially merged’ into one mass climate movement – the ‘NEW’ 350.org.

    Let the Vatican preach, hallefuckinglujah, as we double-up on the soma followed by a double shot of absinthe burning like the embers of hell. Thank you Rockefellers, Clintons, McKibben and friends. Make way for the onslaught of illusion in which green capitalism and false solutions will somehow save us. In one last final performance – the elites will now perform their final magical act that defies all logic. Drum roll please … ladies and gentleman … we will now embrace the same system which is systematically destroying us – splash it with a green patina … and now … this same system will magically save us. Justice for all! The illuminated signs flash toward the audience … applause! applause! applause!

    Follow the Money

    An example of what two prominent environmental groups, 1Sky and 350.org, receive from the Rockefeller foundations alone:

    Step it Up and 350.org (Sustainable Markets Foundation)

    · $100,000 for 1 year awarded on March 13, 2008 to support its project, Step it Up’s new initiative called Project 350
    · 40,000 2008 RFF Sustainable Markets Foundation | 350.org
    · $100,000 for 1 year awarded on March 3, 2009 for its Project 350
    · $200,000 for 1 year awarded on March 12, 2009 for its climate accountability project, The Sustainable Market Foundation
    · $75,000 for 1 year awarded on November 7, 2009 for its project 350.org
    · $25,000 for 1 year awarded on March 22, 2010 for its Eco-Accountability project
    · $100,000 for 1 year awarded on June 17, 2010 for its 350.org project

    1Sky Education Fund

    · $1,000,000 for 2 years awarded on December 13, 2007
    · $20,000 for 1 year awarded on November 17, 2008 for an alignment meeting of U.S. climate change leaders
    · 200,000 2008 RFF
    · 45,000 2008 RFF
    · $250,000 for 1 year awarded on June 18, 2009
    · $30,000 for 1 year awarded on April 9, 2009 to support a consultant to coordinate the alignment of U.S. climate change leaders and large grassroots organizations
    · $250,000 for 1 year awarded on November 2, 2009
    · $250,000 for 1 year awarded on November 19, 2009
    · 50,000 2009 RFF
    · 15,000 2009 RFF
    · 20,000 2009 RFF
    this is an example of the most unbiased reporting i have ever seen in my life....how can someone write what this guy wrote in the first 2 paragraphs and expect to be taken seriously?

    HERE it is again

    http://thesietch.org/mysietch/keith/2011/02/14/350-org-say-hello-business-goodbye-grassroots/
    Post edited by aerial on
    “We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
  • aerial
    aerial Posts: 2,319
    He calls for civil disobediences…looks to me as if he is inciting violence
    “We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    aerial wrote:
    He calls for civil disobediences…looks to me as if he is inciting violence

    uhhh ... civil disobedience is generally non-violence ... it's what ghandi used to change things ...

    in any case ... i guess if a big corporation donates to cancer research - cancer must not exist ... ;)
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,464
    polaris_x wrote:
    aerial wrote:
    He calls for civil disobediences…looks to me as if he is inciting violence

    uhhh ... civil disobedience is generally non-violence ... it's what ghandi used to change things ...

    in any case ... i guess if a big corporation donates to cancer research - cancer must not exist ... ;)
    howard zinn was an advocate of civil disobedience and he preached AGAINST violence. same as mlk.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • aerial
    aerial Posts: 2,319
    polaris_x wrote:
    aerial wrote:
    He calls for civil disobediences…looks to me as if he is inciting violence

    uhhh ... civil disobedience is generally non-violence ... it's what ghandi used to change things ...

    in any case ... i guess if a big corporation donates to cancer research - cancer must not exist ... ;)

    No one is saying it does not exist....it's the hen watching over the hen house....
    “We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    aerial wrote:
    No one is saying it does not exist....it's the hen watching over the hen house....
    aerial wrote:
    If they scare people into believing the world will come to an end if we use gas, then no one will want to drill and they stay rich...get it?

    sorry ... that's how i interpreted a previous post ...

    so ... we are all on agreement global warming is real then!?
  • aerial
    aerial Posts: 2,319
    polaris_x wrote:
    aerial wrote:
    He calls for civil disobediences…looks to me as if he is inciting violence

    uhhh ... civil disobedience is generally non-violence ... it's what ghandi used to change things ...

    in any case ... i guess if a big corporation donates to cancer research - cancer must not exist ... ;)

    So how is it the Tea Party was accused of violence on th MT....when all they called for is pick up the trash, and NO violence.....
    “We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
  • aerial
    aerial Posts: 2,319
    polaris_x wrote:
    aerial wrote:
    No one is saying it does not exist....it's the hen watching over the hen house....
    aerial wrote:
    If they scare people into believing the world will come to an end if we use gas, then no one will want to drill and they stay rich...get it?

    sorry ... that's how i interpreted a previous post ...

    so ... we are all on agreement global warming is real then!?
    I am in agreement that pollution is not good for our earth....global warming I have not made a decision on that yet, since there are to many conflicting reports on it...
    “We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    aerial wrote:
    So how is it the Tea Party was accused of violence on th MT....when all they called for is pick up the trash, and NO violence.....

    you'd have to ask the person that said it ...
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,464
    aerial wrote:
    I am in agreement that pollution is not good for our earth....global warming I have not made a decision on that yet, since there are to many conflicting reports on it...
    that is a cop out. either you decide that it is real, or you decide that it isn't real. either way a decision needs to be urgently made. your posts tell me that you deny that it exists, and i am fine with that. just don't call me crazy for believing it is real when i look at pics of icecaps from 10 years ago compared to those of today where the icecap is 70% smaller than it used to be....

    on what are you basing your position then? if 95% of the countries on earth are agreeing that is is real and are trying to take steps to preserve the planet for future generations, that is more evidence than i need. i don't need some crazy blogger to tell me what to think. either you agree that is exists and try to help try to change it, or do absolutely nothing and claim that it is a farce. in my opinion it is a no brainer.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."

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