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brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,437
edited May 2011 in A Moving Train
Well worth the 15:43 to watch this. Note McKibben says, "We need to fight with art and music too." Lets get on board with this, P.J. fans, and help make this happen.

http://action.350.org/content_item/powershift-speech
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  • whygohomewhygohome Posts: 2,305
    brianlux wrote:
    Well worth the 15:43 to watch this. Note McKibben says, "We need to fight with art and music too." Lets get on board with this, P.J. fans, and help make this happen.

    http://action.350.org/content_item/powershift-speech

    His The End of Nature and Kunstler's The Long Emergency are very scary.....and, in my opinion, prophetic. Oil, oil, oil, oil, oil..................
  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    :thumbup:

    how to break through the ignorance?
  • JeanwahJeanwah Posts: 6,363
    polaris_x wrote:
    :thumbup:

    how to break through the ignorance?

    That would be the problem...

    Otherwise, I agree with Bill! :)
  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,437
    polaris_x wrote:
    :thumbup:

    how to break through the ignorance?


    Some people won't listen or don't want to hear it- including a few of my best friends. But getting the word out on climate change does reach others. Everyone who does something positive makes a difference. To not at least try means accepting the consequences of climate change. Don't give up- spread the word!
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  • whygohomewhygohome Posts: 2,305
    polaris_x wrote:
    :thumbup:

    how to break through the ignorance?

    You can't. People's beliefs are more important than facts. There's no getting through to the stubborn and ignorant.
  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,437
    whygohome wrote:
    polaris_x wrote:
    :thumbup:

    how to break through the ignorance?

    You can't. People's beliefs are more important than facts. There's no getting through to the stubborn and ignorant.

    Maybe true in many cases, but try anyway because it makes sense. Look at it this way:

    "Hope is not the conviction that something will turn out well but the certainty that something makes sense, regardless of how it turns out. Hope is a feeling that life and work have meaning. You either have it or you don't, regardless of the state of the world that surrounds you."

    -Vaclav Havel
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  • ed243421ed243421 Posts: 7,672
    polaris_x wrote:
    :thumbup:

    how to break through the ignorance?

    time

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  • aerialaerial Posts: 2,319
    http://theartofannihilation.com/2011/04/18/rockefeller%E2%80%99s-1sky-unveils-the-new-350-org-more-more-delusion/

    On 6 April 2011 it was announced that the RINGO (Rockefeller initiated NGO) 1Sky and their sister organization 350.org have ‘officially merged’ into one mass climate movement – the ‘NEW’ 350.org.

    Let the Vatican preach, hallefuckinglujah, as we double-up on the soma followed by a double shot of absinthe burning like the embers of hell. Thank you Rockefellers, Clintons, McKibben and friends. Make way for the onslaught of illusion in which green capitalism and false solutions will somehow save us. In one last final performance – the elites will now perform their final magical act that defies all logic. Drum roll please … ladies and gentleman … we will now embrace the same system which is systematically destroying us – splash it with a green patina … and now … this same system will magically save us. Justice for all! The illuminated signs flash toward the audience … applause! applause! applause!

    Follow the Money

    An example of what two prominent environmental groups, 1Sky and 350.org, receive from the Rockefeller foundations alone:

    Step it Up and 350.org (Sustainable Markets Foundation)

    · $100,000 for 1 year awarded on March 13, 2008 to support its project, Step it Up’s new initiative called Project 350
    · 40,000 2008 RFF Sustainable Markets Foundation | 350.org
    · $100,000 for 1 year awarded on March 3, 2009 for its Project 350
    · $200,000 for 1 year awarded on March 12, 2009 for its climate accountability project, The Sustainable Market Foundation
    · $75,000 for 1 year awarded on November 7, 2009 for its project 350.org
    · $25,000 for 1 year awarded on March 22, 2010 for its Eco-Accountability project
    · $100,000 for 1 year awarded on June 17, 2010 for its 350.org project

    1Sky Education Fund

    · $1,000,000 for 2 years awarded on December 13, 2007
    · $20,000 for 1 year awarded on November 17, 2008 for an alignment meeting of U.S. climate change leaders
    · 200,000 2008 RFF
    · 45,000 2008 RFF
    · $250,000 for 1 year awarded on June 18, 2009
    · $30,000 for 1 year awarded on April 9, 2009 to support a consultant to coordinate the alignment of U.S. climate change leaders and large grassroots organizations
    · $250,000 for 1 year awarded on November 2, 2009
    · $250,000 for 1 year awarded on November 19, 2009
    · 50,000 2009 RFF
    · 15,000 2009 RFF
    · 20,000 2009 RFF
    “We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    aerial wrote:
    http://theartofannihilation.com/2011/04/18/rockefeller%E2%80%99s-1sky-unveils-the-new-350-org-more-more-delusion/

    On 6 April 2011 it was announced that the RINGO (Rockefeller initiated NGO) 1Sky and their sister organization 350.org have ‘officially merged’ into one mass climate movement – the ‘NEW’ 350.org.

    Let the Vatican preach, hallefuckinglujah, as we double-up on the soma followed by a double shot of absinthe burning like the embers of hell. Thank you Rockefellers, Clintons, McKibben and friends. Make way for the onslaught of illusion in which green capitalism and false solutions will somehow save us. In one last final performance – the elites will now perform their final magical act that defies all logic. Drum roll please … ladies and gentleman … we will now embrace the same system which is systematically destroying us – splash it with a green patina … and now … this same system will magically save us. Justice for all! The illuminated signs flash toward the audience … applause! applause! applause!

    Follow the Money

    An example of what two prominent environmental groups, 1Sky and 350.org, receive from the Rockefeller foundations alone:

    Step it Up and 350.org (Sustainable Markets Foundation)

    · $100,000 for 1 year awarded on March 13, 2008 to support its project, Step it Up’s new initiative called Project 350
    · 40,000 2008 RFF Sustainable Markets Foundation | 350.org
    · $100,000 for 1 year awarded on March 3, 2009 for its Project 350
    · $200,000 for 1 year awarded on March 12, 2009 for its climate accountability project, The Sustainable Market Foundation
    · $75,000 for 1 year awarded on November 7, 2009 for its project 350.org
    · $25,000 for 1 year awarded on March 22, 2010 for its Eco-Accountability project
    · $100,000 for 1 year awarded on June 17, 2010 for its 350.org project

    1Sky Education Fund

    · $1,000,000 for 2 years awarded on December 13, 2007
    · $20,000 for 1 year awarded on November 17, 2008 for an alignment meeting of U.S. climate change leaders
    · 200,000 2008 RFF
    · 45,000 2008 RFF
    · $250,000 for 1 year awarded on June 18, 2009
    · $30,000 for 1 year awarded on April 9, 2009 to support a consultant to coordinate the alignment of U.S. climate change leaders and large grassroots organizations
    · $250,000 for 1 year awarded on November 2, 2009
    · $250,000 for 1 year awarded on November 19, 2009
    · 50,000 2009 RFF
    · 15,000 2009 RFF
    · 20,000 2009 RFF
    this is an example of the most unbiased reporting i have ever seen in my life....how can someone write what this guy wrote in the first 2 paragraphs and expect to be taken seriously?
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • aerialaerial Posts: 2,319
    If they scare people into believing the world will come to an end if we use gas, then no one will want to drill and they stay rich...get it?
    “We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
  • aerialaerial Posts: 2,319
    edited April 2011
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    aerial wrote:
    http://theartofannihilation.com/2011/04/18/rockefeller%E2%80%99s-1sky-unveils-the-new-350-org-more-more-delusion/

    On 6 April 2011 it was announced that the RINGO (Rockefeller initiated NGO) 1Sky and their sister organization 350.org have ‘officially merged’ into one mass climate movement – the ‘NEW’ 350.org.

    Let the Vatican preach, hallefuckinglujah, as we double-up on the soma followed by a double shot of absinthe burning like the embers of hell. Thank you Rockefellers, Clintons, McKibben and friends. Make way for the onslaught of illusion in which green capitalism and false solutions will somehow save us. In one last final performance – the elites will now perform their final magical act that defies all logic. Drum roll please … ladies and gentleman … we will now embrace the same system which is systematically destroying us – splash it with a green patina … and now … this same system will magically save us. Justice for all! The illuminated signs flash toward the audience … applause! applause! applause!

    Follow the Money

    An example of what two prominent environmental groups, 1Sky and 350.org, receive from the Rockefeller foundations alone:

    Step it Up and 350.org (Sustainable Markets Foundation)

    · $100,000 for 1 year awarded on March 13, 2008 to support its project, Step it Up’s new initiative called Project 350
    · 40,000 2008 RFF Sustainable Markets Foundation | 350.org
    · $100,000 for 1 year awarded on March 3, 2009 for its Project 350
    · $200,000 for 1 year awarded on March 12, 2009 for its climate accountability project, The Sustainable Market Foundation
    · $75,000 for 1 year awarded on November 7, 2009 for its project 350.org
    · $25,000 for 1 year awarded on March 22, 2010 for its Eco-Accountability project
    · $100,000 for 1 year awarded on June 17, 2010 for its 350.org project

    1Sky Education Fund

    · $1,000,000 for 2 years awarded on December 13, 2007
    · $20,000 for 1 year awarded on November 17, 2008 for an alignment meeting of U.S. climate change leaders
    · 200,000 2008 RFF
    · 45,000 2008 RFF
    · $250,000 for 1 year awarded on June 18, 2009
    · $30,000 for 1 year awarded on April 9, 2009 to support a consultant to coordinate the alignment of U.S. climate change leaders and large grassroots organizations
    · $250,000 for 1 year awarded on November 2, 2009
    · $250,000 for 1 year awarded on November 19, 2009
    · 50,000 2009 RFF
    · 15,000 2009 RFF
    · 20,000 2009 RFF
    this is an example of the most unbiased reporting i have ever seen in my life....how can someone write what this guy wrote in the first 2 paragraphs and expect to be taken seriously?

    HERE it is again

    http://thesietch.org/mysietch/keith/2011/02/14/350-org-say-hello-business-goodbye-grassroots/
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    “We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
  • aerialaerial Posts: 2,319
    He calls for civil disobediences…looks to me as if he is inciting violence
    “We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    aerial wrote:
    He calls for civil disobediences…looks to me as if he is inciting violence

    uhhh ... civil disobedience is generally non-violence ... it's what ghandi used to change things ...

    in any case ... i guess if a big corporation donates to cancer research - cancer must not exist ... ;)
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    polaris_x wrote:
    aerial wrote:
    He calls for civil disobediences…looks to me as if he is inciting violence

    uhhh ... civil disobedience is generally non-violence ... it's what ghandi used to change things ...

    in any case ... i guess if a big corporation donates to cancer research - cancer must not exist ... ;)
    howard zinn was an advocate of civil disobedience and he preached AGAINST violence. same as mlk.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • aerialaerial Posts: 2,319
    polaris_x wrote:
    aerial wrote:
    He calls for civil disobediences…looks to me as if he is inciting violence

    uhhh ... civil disobedience is generally non-violence ... it's what ghandi used to change things ...

    in any case ... i guess if a big corporation donates to cancer research - cancer must not exist ... ;)

    No one is saying it does not exist....it's the hen watching over the hen house....
    “We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    aerial wrote:
    No one is saying it does not exist....it's the hen watching over the hen house....
    aerial wrote:
    If they scare people into believing the world will come to an end if we use gas, then no one will want to drill and they stay rich...get it?

    sorry ... that's how i interpreted a previous post ...

    so ... we are all on agreement global warming is real then!?
  • aerialaerial Posts: 2,319
    polaris_x wrote:
    aerial wrote:
    He calls for civil disobediences…looks to me as if he is inciting violence

    uhhh ... civil disobedience is generally non-violence ... it's what ghandi used to change things ...

    in any case ... i guess if a big corporation donates to cancer research - cancer must not exist ... ;)

    So how is it the Tea Party was accused of violence on th MT....when all they called for is pick up the trash, and NO violence.....
    “We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
  • aerialaerial Posts: 2,319
    polaris_x wrote:
    aerial wrote:
    No one is saying it does not exist....it's the hen watching over the hen house....
    aerial wrote:
    If they scare people into believing the world will come to an end if we use gas, then no one will want to drill and they stay rich...get it?

    sorry ... that's how i interpreted a previous post ...

    so ... we are all on agreement global warming is real then!?
    I am in agreement that pollution is not good for our earth....global warming I have not made a decision on that yet, since there are to many conflicting reports on it...
    “We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    aerial wrote:
    So how is it the Tea Party was accused of violence on th MT....when all they called for is pick up the trash, and NO violence.....

    you'd have to ask the person that said it ...
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    aerial wrote:
    I am in agreement that pollution is not good for our earth....global warming I have not made a decision on that yet, since there are to many conflicting reports on it...
    that is a cop out. either you decide that it is real, or you decide that it isn't real. either way a decision needs to be urgently made. your posts tell me that you deny that it exists, and i am fine with that. just don't call me crazy for believing it is real when i look at pics of icecaps from 10 years ago compared to those of today where the icecap is 70% smaller than it used to be....

    on what are you basing your position then? if 95% of the countries on earth are agreeing that is is real and are trying to take steps to preserve the planet for future generations, that is more evidence than i need. i don't need some crazy blogger to tell me what to think. either you agree that is exists and try to help try to change it, or do absolutely nothing and claim that it is a farce. in my opinion it is a no brainer.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • aerialaerial Posts: 2,319
    I feel this organization is in bed with the radicals that believe "never waste a good crisis.”
    Only when dealing with frightened and distracted people can nefarious groups foist their agenda on the masses.
    I think we are all on the same side but the media and politicians are dividing this country.....
    Unless you were there the pictures of ice, you see melting could be photo shopped...as others have proven to be.
    “We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    aerial wrote:
    Unless you were there the pictures of ice, you see melting could be photo shopped...as others have proven to be.

    photoshopped!?? ... now, i've heard it all ... :)

    i guess the tornadoes down south were faked and the floods in australia a hoax!?? ...
  • aerialaerial Posts: 2,319
    polaris_x wrote:
    aerial wrote:
    Unless you were there the pictures of ice, you see melting could be photo shopped...as others have proven to be.

    photoshopped!?? ... now, i've heard it all ... :)

    i guess the tornadoes down south were faked and the floods in australia a hoax!?? ...


    Photoshopped? Oh that never happens! :lol:
    “We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    aerial wrote:
    Photoshopped? Oh that never happens! :lol:

    can you imagine a scientific article using a photoshopped picture as evidence!?? ... and of a subject that anyone flying over the arctic could see first hand ...

    it's absurd ... to say the least ...

    i know you have your sources where you read about all this stuff ... but this is beyond silly ...
  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,158
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    that is a cop out. either you decide that it is real, or you decide that it isn't real. either way a decision needs to be urgently made.
    How can you be 100% certain of what is real or fake when the issue of global warming, I mean climate change, is used as a political tool to push agendas? There is also a lack of historical data (at least past several hundred years ago) so at some point it can become a manipulation of data to support an answer someone is searching for. You have tons of liberal and conservative organizations just throwing "facts" and "stats" to the point where I couldn't trust anything unless I was actively involved in a study.

    I think the environment should be taken care of. I think everyone should be a conservationist. But to me, glob...climate change is a boogey man used to push political agendas. Perhaps, if it had not become a political issue, we could all be working together at a common goal of conserving our planet ... probably not, but I like pipe dreams. ;)
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  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    http://www.economist.com/blogs/democrac ... ate_change

    edit: follow up

    http://www.economist.com/blogs/democrac ... e_change_0
  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,437
    It amazes me that there is still a large number of people still in denial regarding global warming. The evidence is overwhelming. If Bill McKibben is too much of a mainstream figure for you, I would suggest checking out this site from time to time:

    http://www.realclimate.org/

    350.org seems too trendy for you? Fine, then try reading E.O. Wilson, Henry Pollack, Stephan Faris.

    This is hard science. This is reality. These folks are not idiots. They're not in it for the prestige or the money or the fame. There's no hidden agenda here. This is not about ego. All that these folks are trying to do is lessen what is shaping up to be a major problem for your kids future.

    There is a lot of global warming contrarian press on the internet. If you read it, I would strongly urge you also look further- see who's behind it, find out what their motives are. Find out who sponsers and funds them. Do some research.

    At the very least, do what Edward Abbey suggested- go out and take a look at the world around you. It's changing and it's changing in ways that are not going to be good for future generations.

    Sorry if I sound preachy but there just isn't enough time to be overly polite on this subject.
    "Pretty cookies, heart squares all around, yeah!"
    -Eddie Vedder, "Smile"

    "Try to not spook the horse."
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    i have lost 42 pounds since september 17. does that mean that the force of gravity is going away?

    seriously, some people would deny the law of gravity exists until they trip and fall down...
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    brianlux wrote:
    It amazes me that there is still a large number of people still in denial regarding global warming. The evidence is overwhelming. If Bill McKibben is too much of a mainstream figure for you, I would suggest checking out this site from time to time:

    http://www.realclimate.org/

    350.org seems too trendy for you? Fine, then try reading E.O. Wilson, Henry Pollack, Stephan Faris.

    This is hard science. This is reality. These folks are not idiots. They're not in it for the prestige or the money or the fame. There's no hidden agenda here. This is not about ego. All that these folks are trying to do is lessen what is shaping up to be a major problem for your kids future.

    There is a lot of global warming contrarian press on the internet. If you read it, I would strongly urge you also look further- see who's behind it, find out what their motives are. Find out who sponsers and funds them. Do some research.

    At the very least, do what Edward Abbey suggested- go out and take a look at the world around you. It's changing and it's changing in ways that are not going to be good for future generations.

    Sorry if I sound preachy but there just isn't enough time to be overly polite on this subject.

    haha ... i'm not sure how long you have been posting on this board but i have been beating that drum like forever ... haha ...

    every now and then you'll get a new wave of lobby funded op-ed piece that the same folks will post and then when you show them that it's a load of crock - they go away ... then they come back with the same tired talking points they read from their right wing sources ...

    what is truly sad is that the science of global warming is sooooooo simple ... it's not like you need to understand complex formulas and models ... but these people will NOT take the time to educate themselves ... they much rather read stuff that confirms their biases ...
  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,437
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    i have lost 42 pounds since september 17. does that mean that the force of gravity is going away?

    seriously, some people would deny the law of gravity exists until they trip and fall down...

    :lol: Thank you for reminding me of the essential need to keep a good sense of humor. I get pretty wrapped up in all this stuff sometimes.

    Thanks also for good input, polaris_x. I've only been posting here since January of this year. I've been a PJ fan for quite a while but just hadn't caught on to this forum until recently and discovered there is intelligent life on a this site. It's good to be here!
    "Pretty cookies, heart squares all around, yeah!"
    -Eddie Vedder, "Smile"

    "Try to not spook the horse."
    -Neil Young













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