Public Housing moving to my Neighborhood...

Blockhead

http://news.cincinnati.com/article/2011 ... ly-suburbs

"More public housing for the poor is likely headed to Green Township and some other communities as part of a deal to resolve a discrimination complaint against Cincinnati's housing authority."

This is the area I live in, the area is outlined by Public housing in all areas, which has caused properity value to fall and increased crime. There was a reason We chose to live where we live, 1. being a good safe enviornment. 2. Excellent public and private schools. Not its just going to go down the same path as the surrounding areas that outline downtown cincinnati. (one of the worst crime rate cities & public schools).

To me this just seems like an extremely backwards way helping communities overcome this so called "Discrimination". Instead of forcing public housing in nice areas why don't they work with the people of public housing and have them actually take care of their property/upkeep and take pride in their communities, which in turn will make people want to live in or by areas where there are public housing. These public housing areas I see when I drive home are complete shit-holes with no windows or door, and most are borded up.

People don't want to live by public housing because of what public housing looks like not because of race. This is extremely frustrating news to me, and I am glad that we will be putting our house on the market this winter.

keeponrockin

Isn't this kind of a 'not in my back yard' type of problem? I live in the suburbs outside of Ottawa, and there's public housing interspersed throughout the suburbs. Never really caused a problem, kids went to highschool with us, played hoops, etc.. To be honest, I saw no correlation between the kids who lived in public housing and those who caused trouble/were jackasses.

polaris_x

keeponrockin wrote:

Isn't this kind of a 'not in my back yard' type of problem? I live in the suburbs outside of Ottawa, and there's public housing interspersed throughout the suburbs. Never really caused a problem, kids went to highschool with us, played hoops, etc.. To be honest, I saw no correlation between the kids who lived in public housing and those who caused trouble/were jackasses.

toronto is the same - public housing is dispersed for the most part as concentrated areas have been failures ...

it's different in the states ... the prosperity gap is significantly wider and the social infrastructure is not supportive of people leaving that situation ...

maj4e

damn Canadians, getting along with each other....

keeponrockin

maj4e wrote:

damn Canadians, getting along with each other....

Yeah, from my highschool, there were kids in public housing getting in trouble and kids living in $500k houses causing trouble. There really wasn't a correlation from my observation.

And most people smoked pot, maybe that's why we all get along?

gimmesometruth27

keeponrockin wrote:

maj4e wrote:

damn Canadians, getting along with each other....

Yeah, from my highschool, there were kids in public housing getting in trouble and kids living in $500k houses causing trouble. There really wasn't a correlation from my observation.

And most people smoked pot, maybe that's why we all get along?

agreed.

i rode the school bus for years with kids from a HUD project. those kids were not the ones getting in trouble, it was the fucking redneck burnouts who picked on the HUD kids because they were black...

catefrances

all my life ive grown up in an area which in the 60s was created as a public housing estate. i do not equate disadvantage with some kind of evil... i equate it with the disparate existence that is created by the capitalist system. ive met some arseholes who were the product of the public housing system and ive met some arseholes who lived a privileged existence. perhaps if as humans we engaged others, as humans, our lives would not be as devisive as 'the system' 'wishes it to be.

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catefrances wrote:

all my life ive grown up in an area which in the 60s was created as a public housing estate. i do not equate disadvantage with some kind of evil... i equate it with the disparate existence that is created by the capitalist system. ive met some arseholes who were the product of the public housing system and ive met some arseholes who lived a privileged existence. perhaps if as humans we engaged others, as humans, our lives would not be as devisive as 'the system' 'wishes it to be.

keeponrockin

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unsung

I bought a house that was the higher end of a brand new neighborhood about five years ago. Come to find out five others on my street were SEC 8. There was no stereotype, they brought problems. One house ended up being CONDEMNED and the people were evicted. One had no problems, two of the other three were destroyed inside and they sold off the expensive appliances and replaced them with the cheapest. The fifth started to water their new sod but they got sticker shock at the water bill and let the sod die, which the HOA had to replace. They didn't own lawnmowers so the weeds were as high as their A/C.

Of course I've said this before, and it is public record. I'll offer up the addresses so people can see the facts instead of accusing me of anything. I'll never live near it again. The stress over being lied to by the builder (they stated all units were owner occupied) and the never-ending issues with these tenants eventually ruined my relationship with my GF at the time. The actual home owners organized a vote to change the by-laws to force language into the contract stating there were no longer going to be units offered for rent and that all new units had to be owner occupied. This was such a problem that the City Manager had this on his to-do list every day, he swore to keep tabs on it. This is in a city of 130k+.

That purchase remains to this day the worst decision of my life. It cost me about $80k and wrecked my relationship.

catefrances

unsung wrote:

I bought a house that was the higher end of a brand new neighborhood about five years ago. Come to find out five others on my street were SEC 8. There was no stereotype, they brought problems. One house ended up being CONDEMNED and the people were evicted. One had no problems, two of the other three were destroyed inside and they sold off the expensive appliances and replaced them with the cheapest. The fifth started to water their new sod but they got sticker shock at the water bill and let the sod die, which the HOA had to replace. They didn't own lawnmowers so the weeds were as high as their A/C.
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as a good neighbour did you offer to lend them your lawnmower?

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catefrances wrote:

unsung wrote:

I bought a house that was the higher end of a brand new neighborhood about five years ago. Come to find out five others on my street were SEC 8. There was no stereotype, they brought problems. One house ended up being CONDEMNED and the people were evicted. One had no problems, two of the other three were destroyed inside and they sold off the expensive appliances and replaced them with the cheapest. The fifth started to water their new sod but they got sticker shock at the water bill and let the sod die, which the HOA had to replace. They didn't own lawnmowers so the weeds were as high as their A/C.
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as a good neighbour did you offer to lend them your lawnmower?

Didn't we have this exact same conversation about these exact same neighbors a couple of years ago? I remembered as soon as I read his post, because I recall being on the pro-loaning-his-neighbor-his-lawnmower side.

Blockhead

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catefrances wrote:

unsung wrote:

I bought a house that was the higher end of a brand new neighborhood about five years ago. Come to find out five others on my street were SEC 8. There was no stereotype, they brought problems. One house ended up being CONDEMNED and the people were evicted. One had no problems, two of the other three were destroyed inside and they sold off the expensive appliances and replaced them with the cheapest. The fifth started to water their new sod but they got sticker shock at the water bill and let the sod die, which the HOA had to replace. They didn't own lawnmowers so the weeds were as high as their A/C.
...

as a good neighbour did you offer to lend them your lawnmower?

Didn't we have this exact same conversation about these exact same neighbors a couple of years ago? I remembered as soon as I read his post, because I recall being on the pro-loaning-his-neighbor-his-lawnmower side.

If he did, and they used it every time they cut their lawn, should they not be responsible to pay for half of the maintenance?

gimmesometruth27

Blockhead wrote:

If he did, and they used it every time they cut their lawn, should they not be responsible to pay for half of the maintenance?

holy crap dude, do you really have to get something in return if you let your neighbor borrow your mower? the way i see it you can either loan it to him, cut it yourself, or sit back and complain about the long grass.

Blockhead

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

Blockhead wrote:

If he did, and they used it every time they cut their lawn, should they not be responsible to pay for half of the maintenance?

holy crap dude, do you really have to get something in return if you let your neighbor borrow your mower? the way i see it you can either loan it to him, cut it yourself, or sit back and complain about the long grass.

But what you are essentially doing is creating a lazy neighbor with no incentive to make his property represent the community. If it was me I would cut HIS grass, but your enabling his laziness and in turn you are speding more of YOUR TIME and YOUR MONEY. After a year of two of doing this, this neighbor will now feel entitled and expect you to cut and keep his lawn clean. Lawnmowers are not cheap and they take fuel to run which is not cheap, cutting his grass is taking time away from YOUR family. Why do you have such a hard time understand the concept of taking care of your Own responsiblities?

gimmesometruth27

Blockhead wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

Blockhead wrote:

If he did, and they used it every time they cut their lawn, should they not be responsible to pay for half of the maintenance?

holy crap dude, do you really have to get something in return if you let your neighbor borrow your mower? the way i see it you can either loan it to him, cut it yourself, or sit back and complain about the long grass.

But what you are essentially doing is creating a lazy neighbor with no incentive to make his property represent the community. If it was me I would cut HIS grass, but your enabling his laziness and in turn you are speding more of YOUR TIME and YOUR MONEY. After a year of two of doing this, this neighbor will now feel entitled and expect you to cut and keep his lawn clean. Lawnmowers are not cheap and they take fuel to run which is not cheap, cutting his grass is taking time away from YOUR family. Why do you have such a hard time understand the concept of taking care of your Own responsiblities?

i guess you have to figure it out then. it is not our issue. my neighbors are good about cutting their grass.

it is a shame you have to take so many factors into consideration when making such a simple decision as to whether or not you will do any of those 2 viable options i gave you. if someone i know asks to borrow from me i don't even give it a second thought. with my measley public education i learned to help others and to share in kindergarden...

JonnyPistachio

Blockhead wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

Blockhead wrote:

If he did, and they used it every time they cut their lawn, should they not be responsible to pay for half of the maintenance?

holy crap dude, do you really have to get something in return if you let your neighbor borrow your mower? the way i see it you can either loan it to him, cut it yourself, or sit back and complain about the long grass.

But what you are essentially doing is creating a lazy neighbor with no incentive to make his property represent the community. If it was me I would cut HIS grass, but your enabling his laziness and in turn you are speding more of YOUR TIME and YOUR MONEY. After a year of two of doing this, this neighbor will now feel entitled and expect you to cut and keep his lawn clean. Lawnmowers are not cheap and they take fuel to run which is not cheap, cutting his grass is taking time away from YOUR family. Why do you have such a hard time understand the concept of taking care of your Own responsiblities?

I understand the personal responsibilites thing, and I try my best to never put people in a position where they are taking advantage of something, BUT this is the whole point of all these debates -- YOU dont have a clue what that person in that house with tall grass has, what abilities they possess, what money they have.

For instance, I take very good care of my house. A few years ago I hurt my back so bad that my yard got out of control for MONTHS! If someone would have offered to cut my lawn, I wouldnt sit back and say, "well gee that was nice, I expec tit every time." Not saying that that might not happen every now and then, but its good to extend a helping hand every now and then to your fellow man and see where it gets you. If he takes advantage of you, you move on and dont do it again. If he thanks and praises you for your good deed, it might set him on the right path. But you never know if you just assume he's going to take advantage of it.

acoustic guy

as a good neighbour did you offer to lend them your lawnmower?[/quote]
GIVE ME A FREAKIN BREAK!!!
Wake up Sunshine.
Its a fact that section 8 as well as those types of housing situations bring down property value period.
You can be all about peace and love but the facts are facts.
I cant stand hearing people make excuses and ask what someone shold have done to help the section 8 ppl. Someone already tried to help them by moving them into a high end neighborhood. They tried to set them up with a nice home and an safe environment. Did it help???? Apparently not.
Some people in this world dont see what other see. They dont have the same values or were not brought up the same way as others that understand living a normal life. Liberals always think everyone is equal inside and that we all just need a break. Bullshit.
Sure many people have bad starts in life and need a helping hand. But to think everyone is equal and just needs to be GIVEN a home or GIVEN an oppertunity is ridiculous.
If we are going to have programs in the US that help minorities then it needs to be strict and regulated.
Total Bullshit.

acoustic guy

[/quote]
But what you are essentially doing is creating a lazy neighbor with no incentive to make his property represent the community. If it was me I would cut HIS grass, but your enabling his laziness and in turn you are speding more of YOUR TIME and YOUR MONEY. After a year of two of doing this, this neighbor will now feel entitled and expect you to cut and keep his lawn clean. Lawnmowers are not cheap and they take fuel to run which is not cheap, cutting his grass is taking time away from YOUR family. Why do you have such a hard time understand the concept of taking care of your Own responsiblities?[/quote]

I understand the personal responsibilites thing, and I try my best to never put people in a position where they are taking advantage of something, BUT this is the whole point of all these debates -- YOU dont have a clue what that person in that house with tall grass has, what abilities they possess, what money they have.

For instance, I take very good care of my house. A few years ago I hurt my back so bad that my yard got out of control for MONTHS! If someone would have offered to cut my lawn, I wouldnt sit back and say, "well gee that was nice, I expec tit every time." Not saying that that might not happen every now and then, but its good to extend a helping hand every now and then to your fellow man and see where it gets you. If he takes advantage of you, you move on and dont do it again. If he thanks and praises you for your good deed, it might set him on the right path. But you never know if you just assume he's going to take advantage of it.[/quote]

Nine times outta ten that person is in that house because all he does is accept help. From the state from the tax payers etc...Maybe he should statrt helping himself. maybe someone needs to say enough is enough. Get off your ass and if one job is not cutting it then get two. Thats the way I was raised.

Blockhead

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

i guess you have to figure it out then. it is not our issue. my neighbors are good about cutting their grass.

it is a shame you have to take so many factors into consideration when making such a simple decision as to whether or not you will do any of those 2 viable options i gave you. if someone i know asks to borrow from me i don't even give it a second thought. with my measley public education i learned to help others and to share in kindergarden...

In reality in my neighbor hood I pretty much have the nighborhood 20" ladder, So its borrowed all the time. I have no issues lending it out because I know my neighbors and I know they will take care of it and treat it like its theirs. But if I have a neighbor who I don't know/dosen't cut their gass/ does not take care of their property what makes you think that they are going to be responsible with your equipment? Would you let this section 8 neighbor borrow your car? What if their water go shut off because they didn't pay the bills, would you pay thier water bills/let them barrow water everyday until that bill got paid?
Its not kindergarden dude, Were taling about expensive equipment. Some of us just can't go out and buy a lawnmower/fuel for mulitple lots.

acoustic guy

Blockhead wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

i guess you have to figure it out then. it is not our issue. my neighbors are good about cutting their grass.

it is a shame you have to take so many factors into consideration when making such a simple decision as to whether or not you will do any of those 2 viable options i gave you. if someone i know asks to borrow from me i don't even give it a second thought. with my measley public education i learned to help others and to share in kindergarden...

In reality in my neighbor hood I pretty much have the nighborhood 20" ladder, So its borrowed all the time. I have no issues lending it out because I know my neighbors and I know they will take care of it and treat it like its theirs. But if I have a neighbor who I don't know/dosen't cut their gass/ does not take care of their property what makes you think that they are going to be responsible with your equipment? Would you let this section 8 neighbor borrow your car? What if their water go shut off because they didn't pay the bills, would you pay thier water bills/let them barrow water everyday until that bill got paid?
Its not kindergarden dude, Were taling about expensive equipment. Some of us just can't go out and buy a lawnmower/fuel for mulitple lots.

Exactly, and thats just the tip of the iceberg.