I agree. I think the new rules are good, even though it sounds like they aren't being followed.
I don't understand why it is so hard for people to understand why they are taking the videos off youtube. Why would they say no cameras and then allow people to post videos they recorded secretly?
There is something to be said for just being in the moment and having an experience with a group of people and music that cannot be seen on youtube the day after the show.
because type Pearl Jam, or even Eddie Vedder in and there's a billion videos there of gigs. the no video policy has always existed.
in the last few months, 10c and the mods seemed to have become even less bothered about videos tradings and links (even before Jeff said he didn't mind YT)...the basecamp part of the forums has been basically taken over by traders and B&Pers, of DVDs even more than audio.
so for them to not just remove links here, but have the video officially taken down from YT, it's drastic! even videos of 'unmentionables' are left alone on YT!
not that it's going to be of any use, on the contrary:
censorship creates MORE interest in what's censored. pushing people who would have had no interest in it to go looking for it, just because it's not allowed...that's the original sin remember
whatever people... dont bother fighting it... youll all be glad you waited when you see the live DVD for the first time... and i think a DVD is basically "guarenteed"
I personally think it's sort of obvious. The 10c doesn't want the shows recorded, and if someone is assinine to post vids the day after the show, well, I applaud the 10c for spoiling their fun. This societal voyuerism that has taken hold in this country is really quite disturbing, I for one are glad 10c is standing up and saying enough!
OK..."societal voyeurism?" I think we're being a little overly dramatic. It's not like these people put videotapes in dressing rooms; the guy is onstage performing in front of thousands of people, I wouldn't really feel guilty of 'voyeurism' since the videos are, after all, from public performances. After all, we're all a little hypocritical here; I would bet everyone in this thread, at one time or another has watched footage of a PJ show shot by an audience member.
I think it's probably happening for one or two reasons; 1, they want to dissuade more people taping the shows or 2, they have a professional release planned further down the line. I doubt it is number 2, and hope it's not, since they'd be thinking more with their pocketbooks then for respect for audience and performer. But venue and artist are totally within their right to outlaw it.
That being said, it is a shame that those who will have no way to see these shows will not be able to see any of these performances unless there is a professional release. I'd love to see how these shows look and sound and I don't see how my knowing how these shows sounds 'cheapens' the feel for the concert-goers.
Also, I think it is a bit ironic how they can hire someone to make sure these videos are taken down from youtube within minutes, but yet they find it difficult to find someone who can adjust the damn server to handle the traffic come tour time.
I, personally don't like seeing all the cellphones being taken out and stuff like that. I just find it annoying as hell. I'm glad they're doing something about it!
I'm with you....I wish they did this for ALL shows. Too many idiots holding up the phones for their friends to hear....its stupid.
because type Pearl Jam, or even Eddie Vedder in and there's a billion videos there of gigs. the no video policy has always existed.
in the last few months, 10c and the mods seemed to have become even less bothered about videos tradings and links (even before Jeff said he didn't mind YT)...the basecamp part of the forums has been basically taken over by traders and B&Pers, of DVDs even more than audio.
so for them to not just remove links here, but have the video officially taken down from YT, it's drastic! even videos of 'unmentionables' are left alone on YT!
not that it's going to be of any use, on the contrary:
censorship creates MORE interest in what's censored. pushing people who would have had no interest in it to go looking for it, just because it's not allowed...that's the original sin remember
power to the people.
While the video policy has always existed, they went out of their way to say no to cameras, videos, etc. And then you still wonder why they would take videos off youtube.
More to the point is what I posted earlier:
There is something to be said for just being in the moment and having an experience with a group of people and music that cannot be seen on youtube the day after the show.
And I seriously doubt there will be a full length video officially released. Maybe a song as an extra on a full band DVD later.
While the video policy has always existed, they went out of their way to say no to cameras, videos, etc. And then you still wonder why they would take videos off youtube.
More to the point is what I posted earlier:
There is something to be said for just being in the moment and having an experience with a group of people and music that cannot be seen on youtube the day after the show.
And I seriously doubt there will be a full length video officially released. Maybe a song as an extra on a full band DVD later.
I don't see how the fact some people who were not there can see the performance later in ANY way can diminish the enjoyment of the people actually attending the show.
if it does bother you, I categorise this as selfish and elitist.. you only can enjoy it if other people don't?
and don't believe either there will be a DVD (I don't mind), nor even an audio (I do mind :()
I hate it when people in front of hold up their camera or cell phone to film or take pictures.
From an on stage perspective......the crowd dynamics must have changed so much during the last 5 years. Look at the last PJ DVD and compare it with TB 2000. I think recently a lot of people look at the show through their cell phone while filming Eddie singing instead of watching what is really going on on stage.....
I have no problem with them taking down these video's and I hope they continue to do so. Hopefully this will discourage people from standing in the crowd with their camera/cell phone in the air for an entire show just so they have something to post on YouTube/Facebook.
I was recently at the Foo Fighters show in Toronto and it was out of control....every Tom, Dick and Harry was recording the show with their camera's or cell phones. I have no desire to waste my time recording the show when I'm actually there experiencing it. The guy in front of me recorded the entire 2nd half of the show and I was forced to have this stupid LCD display in front of me all night. I came to watch the Foo's live...not through your stupid cell phone.
YouTube is ruining live music....thats a fact...Jack....
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I cant be there to see it in person. I would love to be able to see at least some part of it. Sucks for those not going, unless they are planning on some kind of release.
I don't see how the fact some people who were not there can see the performance later in ANY way can diminish the enjoyment of the people actually attending the show.
if it does bother you, I categorise this as selfish and elitist.. you only can enjoy it if other people don't?
and don't believe either there will be a DVD (I don't mind), nor even an audio (I do mind :()
It's not selfish or elitist. It's selfish for people to hold up cameras and cell phones and take away from the experience of the people who are there and to distract the artist.
I think it is selfish and elitist to think you are entitled to see and/or hear everything the band does. It's not that I can only enjoy it if other people can't. I did not say anything remotely like that. I was pointing out that it is cool for there to be something that happens at a certain moment in time with music and is shared by the people experiencing it, rather than everyone texting their friends and filming it with their cellphones. Just enjoy the show.
YouTube is ruining live music....thats a fact...Jack....
That sums it up. People are more interested in getting people to their myspace page or showing off the great video they got than just enjoying the show. Not to even mention the copyright violations.
sheesh, not everyone can go to cali, or the east coast to see ed and pearl jam.. why the hell are they taking these down, that is BULLSHIT!
I bet ed would want them on youtube!
sheesh, not everyone can go to cali, or the east coast to see ed and pearl jam.. why the hell are they taking these down, that is BULLSHIT!
I bet ed would want them on youtube!
I bet Ed asked them to take them down.
Newsflash, not everyone went to a lot of shows. No one is entitled to see Pearl Jam/Ed everytime they hit the stage in a crappy video for free.
I still love people who use the flash to take pictures at a show or event, they must not realize that the flash doesn't do a damn bit of good if you are more than 6 to 8 feet away from what you are taking a picture of.
As for taking the YT videos down... good. The 10C stated a no camera/no recording policy and I'm glad to see they are sticking by it. Do I think they are going to release a DVD or bootlegs?? No. But what I do think is that Ed knew a bunch of covers that he wanted to do during the tour and to do them I think he went out and asked permission or at least some clearance in using them maybe with the caveat that they COULD possibly be released later. And because of this, Ed, management, the original artists want to cut down on and eliminate 2nd rate pirated copies of these solo shows and protect their copyrights.
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I still love people who use the flash to take pictures at a show or event, they must not realize that the flash doesn't do a damn bit of good if you are more than 6 to 8 feet away from what you are taking a picture of.
As for taking the YT videos down... good. The 10C stated a no camera/no recording policy and I'm glad to see they are sticking by it. Do I think they are going to release a DVD or bootlegs?? No. But what I do think is that Ed knew a bunch of covers that he wanted to do during the tour and to do them I think he went out and asked permission or at least some clearance in using them maybe with the caveat that they COULD possibly be released later. And because of this, Ed, management, the original artists want to cut down on and eliminate 2nd rate pirated copies of these solo shows and protect their copyrights.
When standing in line around 6pm last night, one of the head security people came out and said, "If any of you MUST take photos, please do it discreetly and do NOT use a flash. And no video taping...DO NOT use a flash...pictures are OK, but no flash..."
This caused a bit of confusion because when getting frisked, I was told there was to be absolutely NO photography or video...
Mixed messages for sure...At any rate, I did not have my camera and I don't know how to get the photos off my phone....
The security people were actually very nice at the Centre...and I am never very fond of security people....
But - Ed ROCKED! It was all good - everything about both shows!
I think its great that 10c is pushing back on folks who get off on filming EV shows-WTF!!!! After all of the signs in the venue, the announcement in the lobby, the posts on this board, not to mention Eddie saying it himself, is this not enough to get through to people!! I wouldn't be surprised if the people recording were the same folks yelling "we love you Eddie" every 30 seconds....
I swear the people saying "We love you Eddie" all night long are probably the same people that have been to about 50 shows. Same ones that hang out at the Venue for 4 hours after the show to tell Ed about their new dog they just got named "Vedder" Seems like when ever you hear a bootleg and here "We love you Eddie" it's the same people. Quite sad really.
I swear the people saying "We love you Eddie" all night long are probably the same people that have been to about 50 shows. Same ones that hang out at the Venue for 4 hours after the show to tell Ed about their new dog they just got named "Vedder" Seems like when ever you hear a bootleg and here "We love you Eddie" it's the same people. Quite sad really.
I just don't get this.
why would anyone be so daft as screaming that out (even if it's true)... don't you know anything about Ed? how he really doesn't like that kind of attention?
and grown men doing that too!!
but, no, I don't think most of the people doing that are 50+ shows fans or whatever. none of the people I met in that category or likely to get there, and that's most of the PJ fans I know, which is a lot, would do something like that! they're all in it for the music, and don't shout out crap between songs and that kind of crap.
even if you listen to what ed said in response to the bloody whiner who was complaing about security hassling him.ed never said i agree security is too tight and you should be able to take pics.he never said anything of the kind.he basically just shoved a soother in the guys mouth to shut him up.
sometimes i wonder how old some fans are. the guy whining at nite 1 should have been escorted out...period.
he was distracting to others and distracting to ed as well probobly.
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I just don't get this.
why would anyone be so daft as screaming that out (even if it's true)... don't you know anything about Ed? how he really doesn't like that kind of attention?
and grown men doing that too!!
but, no, I don't think most of the people doing that are 50+ shows fans or whatever. none of the people I met in that category or likely to get there, and that's most of the PJ fans I know, which is a lot, would do something like that! they're all in it for the music, and don't shout out crap between songs and that kind of crap.
I'm not talking about the fans like yourself Pegasus. There are those fans though that aren't on the message board, know nothing of us, and go to just as many shows as we do. It's a small percentage, but all it takes is 1 crazy fan in a venue of this size to annoy a large amount of people. 99% percent of us are cool, down to earth, about 1% are scary, that's what I'm trying to say.
I'm not talking about the fans like yourself Pegasus. There are those fans though that aren't on the message board, know nothing of us, and go to just as many shows as we do. It's a small percentage, but all it takes is 1 crazy fan in a venue of this size to annoy a large amount of people. 99% percent of us are cool, down to earth, about 1% are scary, that's what I'm trying to say.
I find it funny that you assume that anyone being an idiot fan and screaming stupid shit must not be on this message board. There are all kinds here.
Being in australia with nil chance to see The Ed shows I would have loved to see some footage, But I do respect the right of Ed to hold onto whatever footage should be available. I really hope that a DVD is made of these shows. Im spewing that he isnt touring here with this stuff.
I reckon we have been spoilt for many years, so I respect their wish's completely
Being in australia with nil chance to see The Ed shows I would have loved to see some footage, But I do respect the right of Ed to hold onto whatever footage should be available. I really hope that a DVD is made of these shows. Im spewing that he isnt touring here with this stuff.
I reckon we have been spoilt for many years, so I respect their wish's completely
Here's what I respect and what made me love the band from day one: Spread the Jam.
The policy is one thing. If the 10C is instructed to act according to it they don't really have a choice here.
But to go on and condemn taping shows is a whole different story.
I really really love live recordings part of the reason being the fact that i really got into Janis Joplin years ago and the boots, even crappy quality from the 60's recorders, were the really fun, her real legacy and needles to say even the professionally recorded are not being released.
With Ed's shows is kind of similar since i don't think he's going to do big tours regularly and from what I've heard/seen he's doing damn good and it would be a true shame to miss.
As for PJ bootlegs, now that they don't release them anymore, let us not forget that the recording can be the 1st time you actually got to hear the band depending in where you were in the venue.
Is about the music not about voyeurism. Ed knows it, he used to tape shows himself. This isn't the reason of the new policy.
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the no video policy has always existed.
in the last few months, 10c and the mods seemed to have become even less bothered about videos tradings and links (even before Jeff said he didn't mind YT)...the basecamp part of the forums has been basically taken over by traders and B&Pers, of DVDs even more than audio.
so for them to not just remove links here, but have the video officially taken down from YT, it's drastic! even videos of 'unmentionables' are left alone on YT!
not that it's going to be of any use, on the contrary:
censorship creates MORE interest in what's censored. pushing people who would have had no interest in it to go looking for it, just because it's not allowed...that's the original sin remember
power to the people.
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OK..."societal voyeurism?" I think we're being a little overly dramatic. It's not like these people put videotapes in dressing rooms; the guy is onstage performing in front of thousands of people, I wouldn't really feel guilty of 'voyeurism' since the videos are, after all, from public performances. After all, we're all a little hypocritical here; I would bet everyone in this thread, at one time or another has watched footage of a PJ show shot by an audience member.
I think it's probably happening for one or two reasons; 1, they want to dissuade more people taping the shows or 2, they have a professional release planned further down the line. I doubt it is number 2, and hope it's not, since they'd be thinking more with their pocketbooks then for respect for audience and performer. But venue and artist are totally within their right to outlaw it.
That being said, it is a shame that those who will have no way to see these shows will not be able to see any of these performances unless there is a professional release. I'd love to see how these shows look and sound and I don't see how my knowing how these shows sounds 'cheapens' the feel for the concert-goers.
Also, I think it is a bit ironic how they can hire someone to make sure these videos are taken down from youtube within minutes, but yet they find it difficult to find someone who can adjust the damn server to handle the traffic come tour time.
I'm with you....I wish they did this for ALL shows. Too many idiots holding up the phones for their friends to hear....its stupid.
While the video policy has always existed, they went out of their way to say no to cameras, videos, etc. And then you still wonder why they would take videos off youtube.
More to the point is what I posted earlier:
There is something to be said for just being in the moment and having an experience with a group of people and music that cannot be seen on youtube the day after the show.
And I seriously doubt there will be a full length video officially released. Maybe a song as an extra on a full band DVD later.
I don't see how the fact some people who were not there can see the performance later in ANY way can diminish the enjoyment of the people actually attending the show.
if it does bother you, I categorise this as selfish and elitist.. you only can enjoy it if other people don't?
and don't believe either there will be a DVD (I don't mind), nor even an audio (I do mind :()
I hate it when people in front of hold up their camera or cell phone to film or take pictures.
From an on stage perspective......the crowd dynamics must have changed so much during the last 5 years. Look at the last PJ DVD and compare it with TB 2000. I think recently a lot of people look at the show through their cell phone while filming Eddie singing instead of watching what is really going on on stage.....
My opinion anyways.....
so you don't own any bootlegs of bands that don't allow people to record? cause, you can't have it both ways.
I was recently at the Foo Fighters show in Toronto and it was out of control....every Tom, Dick and Harry was recording the show with their camera's or cell phones. I have no desire to waste my time recording the show when I'm actually there experiencing it. The guy in front of me recorded the entire 2nd half of the show and I was forced to have this stupid LCD display in front of me all night. I came to watch the Foo's live...not through your stupid cell phone.
YouTube is ruining live music....thats a fact...Jack....
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It's not selfish or elitist. It's selfish for people to hold up cameras and cell phones and take away from the experience of the people who are there and to distract the artist.
I think it is selfish and elitist to think you are entitled to see and/or hear everything the band does. It's not that I can only enjoy it if other people can't. I did not say anything remotely like that. I was pointing out that it is cool for there to be something that happens at a certain moment in time with music and is shared by the people experiencing it, rather than everyone texting their friends and filming it with their cellphones. Just enjoy the show.
That sums it up. People are more interested in getting people to their myspace page or showing off the great video they got than just enjoying the show. Not to even mention the copyright violations.
I bet ed would want them on youtube!
I bet Ed asked them to take them down.
Newsflash, not everyone went to a lot of shows. No one is entitled to see Pearl Jam/Ed everytime they hit the stage in a crappy video for free.
As for taking the YT videos down... good. The 10C stated a no camera/no recording policy and I'm glad to see they are sticking by it. Do I think they are going to release a DVD or bootlegs?? No. But what I do think is that Ed knew a bunch of covers that he wanted to do during the tour and to do them I think he went out and asked permission or at least some clearance in using them maybe with the caveat that they COULD possibly be released later. And because of this, Ed, management, the original artists want to cut down on and eliminate 2nd rate pirated copies of these solo shows and protect their copyrights.
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Good point about the covers.
This caused a bit of confusion because when getting frisked, I was told there was to be absolutely NO photography or video...
Mixed messages for sure...At any rate, I did not have my camera and I don't know how to get the photos off my phone....
The security people were actually very nice at the Centre...and I am never very fond of security people....
But - Ed ROCKED! It was all good - everything about both shows!
I swear the people saying "We love you Eddie" all night long are probably the same people that have been to about 50 shows. Same ones that hang out at the Venue for 4 hours after the show to tell Ed about their new dog they just got named "Vedder"
It kinda reminds me of this, unfortunately: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awKoTDIdKrg
why would anyone be so daft as screaming that out (even if it's true)... don't you know anything about Ed? how he really doesn't like that kind of attention?
and grown men doing that too!!
but, no, I don't think most of the people doing that are 50+ shows fans or whatever. none of the people I met in that category or likely to get there, and that's most of the PJ fans I know, which is a lot, would do something like that! they're all in it for the music, and don't shout out crap between songs and that kind of crap.
sometimes i wonder how old some fans are. the guy whining at nite 1 should have been escorted out...period.
he was distracting to others and distracting to ed as well probobly.
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I'm not talking about the fans like yourself Pegasus.
I find it funny that you assume that anyone being an idiot fan and screaming stupid shit must not be on this message board. There are all kinds here.
Not saying that. I'm sure there are. Just a small percentage, and the ones I've met don't do it. That's what I'm sayin.
What ever happened to 'spread the jam'?
I spread it everywhere.
I just think over-obsessing is a little ridiculous, that's all.
It should be about the music and friendships. Maybe I'm just weird :rolleyes:
A little less analyzing and a little more spreading.
I reckon we have been spoilt for many years, so I respect their wish's completely
Here's what I respect and what made me love the band from day one: Spread the Jam.
But to go on and condemn taping shows is a whole different story.
I really really love live recordings part of the reason being the fact that i really got into Janis Joplin years ago and the boots, even crappy quality from the 60's recorders, were the really fun, her real legacy and needles to say even the professionally recorded are not being released.
With Ed's shows is kind of similar since i don't think he's going to do big tours regularly and from what I've heard/seen he's doing damn good and it would be a true shame to miss.
As for PJ bootlegs, now that they don't release them anymore, let us not forget that the recording can be the 1st time you actually got to hear the band depending in where you were in the venue.
Is about the music not about voyeurism. Ed knows it, he used to tape shows himself. This isn't the reason of the new policy.