Tired of the bullshit!!!

WaveRyder

Doesn't it seem like- no wait - isn't it reality....... that the two party system is bull shit. We keep leap frogging one form of fascism for another.

What I mean is, we elect a Republican. The Republican president proceeds to encroach on social freedoms and lighten on fiscal, economic restrictions. The people get pissed and vote in an administration that laxes on social restrictions and encroaches on fiscal, economical freedoms.

There both fascist mofos.

Why do we accept a two party system that continues to dwindle the American spirit?

Aga81

Well there is no good system. In my country we have almost 4-5 parties and what? All of them didn't do anything when they could. So next time we have to vote on, once again, the one that was previous... they all look almost the same - don't do anything exactly in the same way - maybe anarchy is the best way

VINNY GOOMBA

What is government but institutionalized gang violence anyway? I'm not a huge fan, nor am I fan of political parties.

I'm for government strictly for it's placebo effect. I think government does a better job of giving people a sense of security rather than actually providing that security. But, in a world where 99% of every other piece of land with imaginary borders is protected by some sort of national defense, I believe that is necessary here and is the primary function of the Federal Government. And that's DEFENSE, not OFFENSE.

But yes, the two party system is a joke and I think legalized competition within that system would benefit a United States that was dedicated to keeping itself FREE. Otherwise, there could be as many viable political parties as there are MLB teams, but if they're run like a cartel, what good is competition? The first thing a third party experiences when they start to look viable in any election is lawsuits from both the Democrat and Republican parties, challenging their petition signatures, when the other two "established" parties do not go through this same process. Government exists to level the playing field for everyone, yet it is guilty in dozens of circumstances where it tips the scales in favor of certain groups, parties, industries, etc... In America, it really is failing miserably at its stated objectives.

The sad part is, the framework is there for a pretty good system of governance-- a federal government providing defense, with 3 equal branches each checking and balancing each other out. No federal or state government should infringe on the rights explicitly spelled out in the bill of rights, and the states should govern as locally as possible. This would give the American people the most fast-track avenue for change for the better, and it's pretty obvious that things are status quo at best, and probably changing for the worse as people keep electing to take power AWAY from themselves.

haffajappa

Aga81 wrote:

Well there is no good system. In my country we have almost 4-5 parties and what? All of them didn't do anything when they could. So next time we have to vote on, once again, the one that was previous... they all look almost the same - don't do anything exactly in the same way - maybe anarchy is the best way

Canada?
This whole election talk makes me wanna hurl.

Aga81

haffajappa wrote:

Aga81 wrote:

Well there is no good system. In my country we have almost 4-5 parties and what? All of them didn't do anything when they could. So next time we have to vote on, once again, the one that was previous... they all look almost the same - don't do anything exactly in the same way - maybe anarchy is the best way

Canada?
This whole election talk makes me wanna hurl.

Definitely not. One of the most stupid country in Europe - Poland!!!! The greatest show in the Parliament - no one knows who is who and what for is where he/she is there

haffajappa

Aga81 wrote:

haffajappa wrote:

Aga81 wrote:

Well there is no good system. In my country we have almost 4-5 parties and what? All of them didn't do anything when they could. So next time we have to vote on, once again, the one that was previous... they all look almost the same - don't do anything exactly in the same way - maybe anarchy is the best way

Canada?
This whole election talk makes me wanna hurl.

Definitely not. One of the most stupid country in Europe - Poland!!!! The greatest show in the Parliament - no one knows who is who and what for is where he/she is there

Governments... are all one and the same!
Our PM is taking another shot at a majority government (so they are speculating)
This starts to become a bi-annual process. What a waste of money for the exact same result every 2 years.

Aga81

haffajappa wrote:

Governments... are all one and the same!
Our PM is taking another shot at a majority government (so they are speculating)
This starts to become a bi-annual process. What a waste of money for the exact same result every 2 years.

Every two years. In my country it should be once for a 5 years - but sometimes it's twice in this time - it's a waste of our money - and the worst is nothing changes at all...

WaveRyder

VINNY GOOMBA wrote:

What is government but institutionalized gang violence anyway? I'm not a huge fan, nor am I fan of political parties.

I'm for government strictly for it's placebo effect. I think government does a better job of giving people a sense of security rather than actually providing that security. But, in a world where 99% of every other piece of land with imaginary borders is protected by some sort of national defense, I believe that is necessary here and is the primary function of the Federal Government. And that's DEFENSE, not OFFENSE.

But yes, the two party system is a joke and I think legalized competition within that system would benefit a United States that was dedicated to keeping itself FREE. Otherwise, there could be as many viable political parties as there are MLB teams, but if they're run like a cartel, what good is competition? The first thing a third party experiences when they start to look viable in any election is lawsuits from both the Democrat and Republican parties, challenging their petition signatures, when the other two "established" parties do not go through this same process. Government exists to level the playing field for everyone, yet it is guilty in dozens of circumstances where it tips the scales in favor of certain groups, parties, industries, etc... In America, it really is failing miserably at its stated objectives.

The sad part is, the framework is there for a pretty good system of governance-- a federal government providing defense, with 3 equal branches each checking and balancing each other out. No federal or state government should infringe on the rights explicitly spelled out in the bill of rights, and the states should govern as locally as possible. This would give the American people the most fast-track avenue for change for the better, and it's pretty obvious that things are status quo at best, and probably changing for the worse as people keep electing to take power AWAY from themselves.

Exactly :x :x :x You sound like you subscribe to some of Dr. Ron Paul's beliefs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JM8d_Arjz6g

VINNY GOOMBA

Ron Paul? Never heard of 'em.

If he ever got elected, and started to reneg on his campaign promises, I'd probably get called out on all angles by people on this board... I'm a pretty big fan, and have a hard time disagreeing with almost anything the guy says. It's all got a pretty solid foundation rooted in Austrian Economics, and classical liberalism.

WaveRyder

VINNY GOOMBA wrote:

Ron Paul? Never heard of 'em.

If he ever got elected, and started to reneg on his campaign promises, I'd probably get called out on all angles by people on this board... I'm a pretty big fan, and have a hard time disagreeing with almost anything the guy says. It's all got a pretty solid foundation rooted in Austrian Economics, and classical liberalism.

I don't think he'd reneg on his ideas, he would just have an impossible time getting Congress to pass any of his initiatives, especially since he would dissolve some of his executive powers back to the Legislature if elected.(another promise)

VINNY GOOMBA

WaveRyder wrote:

VINNY GOOMBA wrote:

Ron Paul? Never heard of 'em.

If he ever got elected, and started to reneg on his campaign promises, I'd probably get called out on all angles by people on this board... I'm a pretty big fan, and have a hard time disagreeing with almost anything the guy says. It's all got a pretty solid foundation rooted in Austrian Economics, and classical liberalism.

I don't think he'd reneg on his ideas, he would just have an impossible time getting Congress to pass any of his initiatives, especially since he would dissolve some of his executive powers back to the Legislature if elected.(another promise)

Yeah I'm pretty confident that he'd keep it gangsta' if elected president... Hence my love for the guy and his ideas.

Electric_Delta

What? No love for the Republicrats?

Go Beavers

VINNY GOOMBA wrote:

Ron Paul? Never heard of 'em.

If he ever got elected, and started to reneg on his campaign promises, I'd probably get called out on all angles by people on this board... I'm a pretty big fan, and have a hard time disagreeing with almost anything the guy says. It's all got a pretty solid foundation rooted in Austrian Economics, and classical liberalism.

Ron Paul's beliefs exist in fantasy. The federal government should be like it was in the 1800's? No thanks. Notice that he always has an R next to his name? Nut up and get an I next to it like Bernie Sanders.

WaveRyder

Go Beavers wrote:

VINNY GOOMBA wrote:

Ron Paul? Never heard of 'em.

If he ever got elected, and started to reneg on his campaign promises, I'd probably get called out on all angles by people on this board... I'm a pretty big fan, and have a hard time disagreeing with almost anything the guy says. It's all got a pretty solid foundation rooted in Austrian Economics, and classical liberalism.

Ron Paul's beliefs exist in fantasy. The federal government should be like it was in the 1800's? No thanks. Notice that he always has an R next to his name? Nut up and get an I next to it like Bernie Sanders.

He ran for president as a libertarian in 1988. The system makes it impossible for third parties. It's strategy and it's served Dr. Paul well.

As far as existing in fantasy, of course, right now it's a fantasy. I fantasize about being able to make my own way in this country and not having bureaucrats an politicians telling me how to live my life and run my business.

God Bless people like Dr. Paul for standing firm behind the ideas and beliefs of the founding fathers.

brandon10

Aga81 wrote:

Well there is no good system. In my country we have almost 4-5 parties and what? All of them didn't do anything when they could. So next time we have to vote on, once again, the one that was previous... they all look almost the same - don't do anything exactly in the same way - maybe anarchy is the best way

Who is the girl in your avatar?

Aga81

brandon10 wrote:

Aga81 wrote:

Well there is no good system. In my country we have almost 4-5 parties and what? All of them didn't do anything when they could. So next time we have to vote on, once again, the one that was previous... they all look almost the same - don't do anything exactly in the same way - maybe anarchy is the best way

Who is the girl in your avatar?

me why?

brandon10

Aga81 wrote:

brandon10 wrote:

Aga81 wrote:

Well there is no good system. In my country we have almost 4-5 parties and what? All of them didn't do anything when they could. So next time we have to vote on, once again, the one that was previous... they all look almost the same - don't do anything exactly in the same way - maybe anarchy is the best way

Who is the girl in your avatar?

me why?

You? Really? Because it's a beautiful picture!! I thought it was an actress.

Aga81

brandon10 wrote:

You? Really? Because it's a beautiful picture!! I thought it was an actress.

well maybe I should take my trip to Hollywood

brandon10

Aga81 wrote:

brandon10 wrote:

You? Really? Because it's a beautiful picture!! I thought it was an actress.

well maybe I should take my trip to Hollywood

Or Canada

Aga81

brandon10 wrote:

Aga81 wrote:

brandon10 wrote:

You? Really? Because it's a beautiful picture!! I thought it was an actress.

well maybe I should take my trip to Hollywood

Or Canada

Canada?? Why??

brandon10

I'm there.