Tired of the bullshit!!!
WaveRyder
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Doesn't it seem like- no wait - isn't it reality....... that the two party system is bull shit. We keep leap frogging one form of fascism for another.
What I mean is, we elect a Republican. The Republican president proceeds to encroach on social freedoms and lighten on fiscal, economic restrictions. The people get pissed and vote in an administration that laxes on social restrictions and encroaches on fiscal, economical freedoms.
There both fascist mofos.
Why do we accept a two party system that continues to dwindle the American spirit?
What I mean is, we elect a Republican. The Republican president proceeds to encroach on social freedoms and lighten on fiscal, economic restrictions. The people get pissed and vote in an administration that laxes on social restrictions and encroaches on fiscal, economical freedoms.
There both fascist mofos.
Why do we accept a two party system that continues to dwindle the American spirit?
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04.07.2012 ~ Berlin
31.07.2012 ~ London
I'm for government strictly for it's placebo effect. I think government does a better job of giving people a sense of security rather than actually providing that security. But, in a world where 99% of every other piece of land with imaginary borders is protected by some sort of national defense, I believe that is necessary here and is the primary function of the Federal Government. And that's DEFENSE, not OFFENSE.
But yes, the two party system is a joke and I think legalized competition within that system would benefit a United States that was dedicated to keeping itself FREE. Otherwise, there could be as many viable political parties as there are MLB teams, but if they're run like a cartel, what good is competition? The first thing a third party experiences when they start to look viable in any election is lawsuits from both the Democrat and Republican parties, challenging their petition signatures, when the other two "established" parties do not go through this same process. Government exists to level the playing field for everyone, yet it is guilty in dozens of circumstances where it tips the scales in favor of certain groups, parties, industries, etc... In America, it really is failing miserably at its stated objectives.
The sad part is, the framework is there for a pretty good system of governance-- a federal government providing defense, with 3 equal branches each checking and balancing each other out. No federal or state government should infringe on the rights explicitly spelled out in the bill of rights, and the states should govern as locally as possible. This would give the American people the most fast-track avenue for change for the better, and it's pretty obvious that things are status quo at best, and probably changing for the worse as people keep electing to take power AWAY from themselves.
Canada?
This whole election talk makes me wanna hurl.
Definitely not. One of the most stupid country in Europe - Poland!!!! The greatest show in the Parliament - no one knows who is who and what for is where he/she is there
04.07.2012 ~ Berlin
31.07.2012 ~ London
Our PM is taking another shot at a majority government (so they are speculating)
This starts to become a bi-annual process. What a waste of money for the exact same result every 2 years.
Every two years. In my country it should be once for a 5 years - but sometimes it's twice in this time - it's a waste of our money - and the worst is nothing changes at all...
04.07.2012 ~ Berlin
31.07.2012 ~ London
Exactly :x :x :x You sound like you subscribe to some of Dr. Ron Paul's beliefs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JM8d_Arjz6g
If he ever got elected, and started to reneg on his campaign promises, I'd probably get called out on all angles by people on this board... I'm a pretty big fan, and have a hard time disagreeing with almost anything the guy says. It's all got a pretty solid foundation rooted in Austrian Economics, and classical liberalism.
I don't think he'd reneg on his ideas, he would just have an impossible time getting Congress to pass any of his initiatives, especially since he would dissolve some of his executive powers back to the Legislature if elected.(another promise)
Yeah I'm pretty confident that he'd keep it gangsta' if elected president... Hence my love for the guy and his ideas.
Ron Paul's beliefs exist in fantasy. The federal government should be like it was in the 1800's? No thanks. Notice that he always has an R next to his name? Nut up and get an I next to it like Bernie Sanders.
As far as existing in fantasy, of course, right now it's a fantasy. I fantasize about being able to make my own way in this country and not having bureaucrats an politicians telling me how to live my life and run my business.
God Bless people like Dr. Paul for standing firm behind the ideas and beliefs of the founding fathers.
Who is the girl in your avatar?
me why?
04.07.2012 ~ Berlin
31.07.2012 ~ London
You? Really? Because it's a beautiful picture!! I thought it was an actress.
well maybe I should take my trip to Hollywood
04.07.2012 ~ Berlin
31.07.2012 ~ London
Or Canada
Canada?? Why??
04.07.2012 ~ Berlin
31.07.2012 ~ London
I see - maybe some day....
04.07.2012 ~ Berlin
31.07.2012 ~ London
Ron Paul seemed to have grasped on to an Austrian economists theories because it was a vehicle that he could attach his frustration to. He had beliefs, and then his reads a book that confirmed them. To me, that's not well thought out nor well developed. He was (is) a cranky old coot that was looking for affirmation from someone else. The whole "government bad, free market good" notion doesn't reflect much thinking and I see it as a way place blame.
I'm curious how politicians and bureaucrats tell you how to live your life, because I go about my life hardly ever feeling like the government is holding me back. I'm really curious, not trying to bait, because I hear this complaint but I can't really relate.
Examples:
I am a business owner, I cannot let people smoke in my place of business, regardless of what the market demands are.
I am a student. In the 1950's when the entire higher education system was paid for with real currency and PRIVATE loans, it cost about $600 per semester, an amount any American could earn if he/she so willed or get a loan for such a minimal amount. Then the federal government took over the loan system. Today, there is more than $700 billion in federal student loan debt. That is draining the system and keeping our young, educated people oppressed.
Pretty much anything regarding health safety, the government is all over it, but as far as I can remember, the constitution doesn't dictate that the government be too concerned about health safety.
I live in San Francisco, I can't buy my kid a happy meal anymore.
I am a cigar afiscianado(sp) but can't purchase tobacco via catalog in something like 33 states.(an impact on both the consumer and the legitimate business)
Toll roads - we already pay taxes to build them, then we pay more to use them
I am a homeowner. I want to renovate my bathroom. I have to get a permit first.
I could go on and on about what you actually have to give up. Maybe you personally arent having the freedoms you regularly exercise encroached upon, but the fact is, the govt is treading on quite a bit of OUR freedoms, whether we exercise them or not, and those who tolerate it are as evil as those stripping us of them.
Very well-spoken.
I live where it's smoke free and has been for awhile. The concerns about it hurting business turned out to be largely unfounded and it's seen as increasing business because more non-smoker go out.
Federal school loans increase access to school for those who wouldn't normally get them, so I'm fine with it.
The constitution didn't reference health and safety, it referenced representing the people. I would say that people are getting what they want. For good or bad, the government is the people's. We put them there. Sure corporations have intervened, that's because people are more likely to vote for the corporate candidate. A large group of voters like 'shiny' things, and the non-corporate candidate isn't very shiny.
People bag on building codes until the bathtub falls through the floor and smashes Jimmy, then they want building codes. Look at Haiti after the quake to see a lack of codes. I think you're implying that I'm "evil" because I'm tolerating certain laws. I'd rather look at why the law was put in place and the process of how it came to be. I like to have issue w/particular laws rather than a blanket boo-hoo, the government is robbing me of my freedoms.
there was once a time in this country where a man could and would look at the world around him and the life he had and say "thank you God. Now I can take it from here."
But now, the masses - including you - look at the world and say "I don't want opportunity, I want security."
It's a basic ideological difference. I'd rather live in a world where people are responsible for themselves. If an individual fails, it's on them, not the government. But that isn't the way it is anymore.
I live where it's smoke free and has been for awhile. The concerns about it hurting business turned out to be largely unfounded and it's seen as increasing business because more non-smoker go out.
Federal school loans increase access to school for those who wouldn't normally get them, so I'm fine with it.
The constitution didn't reference health and safety, it referenced representing the people. I would say that people are getting what they want. For good or bad, the government is the people's. We put them there. Sure corporations have intervened, that's because people are more likely to vote for the corporate candidate. A large group of voters like 'shiny' things, and the non-corporate candidate isn't very shiny.
People bag on building codes until the bathtub falls through the floor and smashes Jimmy, then they want building codes. Look at Haiti after the quake to see a lack of codes. I think you're implying that I'm "evil" because I'm tolerating certain laws. I'd rather look at why the law was put in place and the process of how it came to be. I like to have issue w/particular laws rather than a blanket boo-hoo, the government is robbing me of my freedoms.[/quote]
there was once a time in this country where a man could and would look at the world around him and the life he had and say "thank you God. Now I can take it from here."
But now, the masses - including you - look at the world and say "I don't want opportunity, I want security."
It's a basic ideological difference. I'd rather live in a world where people are responsible for themselves. If an individual fails, it's on them, not the government. But that isn't the way it is anymore.[/quote]
That's an expected assumption you're making about me seeing how you view things in black and white, when actually very few things are black and white, particularly when people are involved. It also makes sense that you would make mythological statements about our country's past and that people were so full of responsibility and strong work ethics. I do want opportunity, and I'm fully aware where my opportunity came from. I have a sense of what was created individually by me, my ancestors, my community, and my government. All of those factors played a role in my opportunity and success. I don't go around thinking everything I've done is a result of my individual hard work and that's it. Individual responsibility falls along a continuum, but continuums are hard to grasp in a black and white world. There's strong sense of individuality in our culture, but it doesn't mean it's real. P.S., it sound like you may be blaming the government for your business struggles, based on what you posted earlier in the thread.
there was once a time in this country where a man could and would look at the world around him and the life he had and say "thank you God. Now I can take it from here."
But now, the masses - including you - look at the world and say "I don't want opportunity, I want security."
It's a basic ideological difference. I'd rather live in a world where people are responsible for themselves. If an individual fails, it's on them, not the government. But that isn't the way it is anymore.[/quote]
That's an expected assumption you're making about me seeing how you view things in black and white, when actually very few things are black and white, particularly when people are involved. It also makes sense that you would make mythological statements about our country's past and that people were so full of responsibility and strong work ethics. I do want opportunity, and I'm fully aware where my opportunity came from. I have a sense of what was created individually by me, my ancestors, my community, and my government. All of those factors played a role in my opportunity and success. I don't go around thinking everything I've done is a result of my individual hard work and that's it. Individual responsibility falls along a continuum, but continuums are hard to grasp in a black and white world. There's strong sense of individuality in our culture, but it doesn't mean it's real. P.S., it sound like you may be blaming the government for your business struggles, based on what you posted earlier in the thread.[/quote]
those were all merely examples. I am not a business owner. I am a student about to graduate with a political science and journalism degree. Right now, yes, I am as poor as poor gets.
I don't know how to articulate how i feel very well, but that's just it. When I look around and see nationalism dieing and an exponentially expanding government and it scares me.
And it really comes down to taxes. History says any great empire has crumble shortly after taxing its ppl beyond 25 percent of the nations gross domestic worth. In 1960 we were at 33 percent.
So Im not saying government shouldn't have any roles in our lives, just not nearly as big of a role as it plays now.
But now, the masses - including you - look at the world and say "I don't want opportunity, I want security."
It's a basic ideological difference. I'd rather live in a world where people are responsible for themselves. If an individual fails, it's on them, not the government. But that isn't the way it is anymore.[/quote]
That's an expected assumption you're making about me seeing how you view things in black and white, when actually very few things are black and white, particularly when people are involved. It also makes sense that you would make mythological statements about our country's past and that people were so full of responsibility and strong work ethics. I do want opportunity, and I'm fully aware where my opportunity came from. I have a sense of what was created individually by me, my ancestors, my community, and my government. All of those factors played a role in my opportunity and success. I don't go around thinking everything I've done is a result of my individual hard work and that's it. Individual responsibility falls along a continuum, but continuums are hard to grasp in a black and white world. There's strong sense of individuality in our culture, but it doesn't mean it's real. P.S., it sound like you may be blaming the government for your business struggles, based on what you posted earlier in the thread.[/quote]
those were all merely examples. I am not a business owner. I am a student about to graduate with a political science and journalism degree. Right now, yes, I am as poor as poor gets.
I don't know how to articulate how i feel very well, but that's just it. When I look around and see nationalism dieing and an exponentially expanding government and it scares me.
And it really comes down to taxes. History says any great empire has crumble shortly after taxing its ppl beyond 25 percent of the nations gross domestic worth. In 1960 we were at 33 percent.
So Im not saying government shouldn't have any roles in our lives, just not nearly as big of a role as it plays now.[/quote]
Federal tax looks around 15% of gdp, with total tax about 28%. There might be a correlation (low I'm sure) with taxes and crumbling empires, but correlation isn't causation, and the sample size of fallen empires is probably too low to draw firm conclusions on why they collapsed. People look back at history and grab at isolated pieces in order to build their argument, but then leave out other factors. Being scared just makes you susceptible to manipulation by fear mongers. America's version of nationalism needs to die. It's arrogant and gets us into wars.
You have to separate out what your problem is with government. Is it high taxes, the role it plays in our life through laws and regulation, or expanding government through budget increases? Again I come down to this: if you want lower taxes, what do want cut from the budget? And how much would that cut save?
it wasn't his choice. he got defeated in a confidence vote after being held in contempt of parliament (first government in Canada to do that), so he had no choice but to dissolve parliament, which he's doing first thing tomorrow morning. I really hope we don't get ANOTHER minority government this time. nothing gets fucking done.
a two party system is stupid, but having no limits on how many parties you can have (Canada) create issues as well. it divides too many votes and we'll just keep ending up with minority (see: useless) governments over and over again.
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