bombing libya.. impeachable offense?

CH156378

prfctlefts wrote:

http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_uri=/&gl=US#/watch?xl=xl_blazer&v=cxxxGUeZtno

@whygohome
Dude Obama is a joke. I cant believe anybody with half a damn brain continues to take this guy seriously. Also I know of pleanty of people that would wipe the floor with Obama in a debate. Here he is studdering like baffoon. Take away that TelePrompTer and heres what you get

1. Saved the collapse of the American automotive industry by making GM restructure before bailing them out, and putting incentive money to help the industry

2. Shifted the focus of the war from Iraq to Afghanistan, and putting the emphasis on reducing terrorism where it should have been all along

3. Relaxed Anti-American tensions throughout the world

4. Signed order to close the prisoner “torture camp” at Guantanamo Bay

5. Has made the environment a national priority, and a primary source for job creation

6. Has made education a national priority by putting emphasis and money behind new ideas like charter schools, but speaking directly to school children in telling them they have to do their part.

7. Won the Nobel Peace Prize

8. $789 billion economic stimulus plan

9. Appointment of first Latina to the Supreme Court

10. Attractive tax write-offs for those who buy hybrid automobiles

11. Authorized construction/opening of additional health centers to care for veterans

12. Renewed dialogue with NATO and other allies and partners on strategic issues.

13. Beginning the process of reforming and restructuring the military 20 years after the Cold War to a more modern fighting force… this includes new procurement policies, increasing size of military, new technology and cyber units and operations, etc.


14. Better body armor is now being provided to our troops

15. “Cash for clunkers” program offers vouchers to trade in fuel inefficient, polluting old cars for new cars; stimulates auto sales

16. Changed the failing/status quo military command in Afghanistan

17. Closed offshore tax safe havens

18. Deployed additional troops to Afghanistan

19. Ended media “blackout” on war casualties; reporting full information

20. Ended previous policy of awarding no-bid defense contracts

21. . Ended media blackout on war casualties and the return of fallen soldiers to Dover AFB.

22. Ended previous policy of cutting the FDA and circumventing FDA rules

23. Ended previous practice of forbidding Medicare from negotiating with drug manufacturers for cheaper drugs; the federal government is now realizing hundreds of millions in savings

24. Ended previous practice of having White House aides rewrite scientific and environmental rules, regulations, and reports

25. American Recovery and Reinvestment Act has created 2.1 million jobs (as of 12/31/09).

26. Ended previous policy of not regulating and labeling carbon dioxide emissions

27. Ended previous policy of offering tax benefits to corporations who outsource American jobs; the new policy is to promote in-sourcing to bring jobs back

28. Ended previous policy on torture; the US now has a no torture policy and is in compliance with the Geneva Convention standards

29. . Launched Recovery.gov to track spending from the Recovery Act, an unprecedented step to provide transparency and accountability through technology.

30. Ended previous practice of protecting credit card companies; in place of it are new consumer protections from credit card industry’s predatory practices

31. Ended previous “stop-loss” policy that kept soldiers in Iraq/Afghanistan longer than their enlistment date

32. Energy producing plants must begin preparing to produce 15% of their energy from renewable sources

33. Established a National Performance Officer charged with saving the federal government money and making federal operations more efficient

34. Established a new cyber security office

35. Expanded the SCHIP program to cover health care for 4 million more children

36. Expanding vaccination programs

37. Families of fallen soldiers have expenses

38. . Provided the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) with more than $1.4 billion to improve services to America’s Veterans.

39. Federal support for stem-cell and new biomedical research

40. Funds for high-speed, broadband Internet access to K-12 schools

41. Responded with compassion and leadership to the earthquake in Haiti

42. Immediate and efficient response to the floods in North Dakota and other natural disasters

43. . Launched Business.gov – enabling conversation and online collaboration between small business owners, government representatives and industry experts in discussion forums relevant to starting and managing a business. Great for the economy.

44. Improved housing for military personnel

45. Improved conditions at Walter Reed Military Hospital and other military hospitals

46. Changed failing war strategy in Afghanistan.

47. Improving benefits for veterans

48. Increased infrastructure spending (roads, bridges, power plants…) after years of neglect

49. Donated his $1.4 million Nobel Prize to nonprofits.

50. Increasing opportunities in AmeriCorps program

51. Provided tax credits to first-time home buyers through the Worker, Homeownership, and Business Assistance Act of 2009 to revitalize the U.S. housing market.

52. Increasing pay and benefits for military personnel

53. Increasing student loans

54. Instituted a new policy on Cuba, allowing Cuban families to return “home” to visit loved ones

55. Cracked down on companies that deny sick pay, vacation and health insurance to workers by abusing the employee classification of independent contractor. Such companies also avoid paying Social Security, Medicare and unemployment insurance taxes for those workers.

56. Limited salaries of senior White House aides; cut to $100,000

57. Limits on lobbyists’ access to the White House

58. Protected 300,000 education jobs, such as teachers, principals, librarians, and counselors through the Recovery Act that would have otherwise been lost.

59. Limits on White House aides working for lobbyists after their tenure in the administration

60. Children’s Health Insurance Reauthorization Act on February 4, 2009, provides quality health care to 11 million kids – 4 million who were previously uninsured.

61. Lower drug costs for seniors

62. Making more loans available to small businesses

63. Many more press conferences and town halls and much more media access than previous administration

64. . Signed the Christopher and Dana Reeve Paralysis Act, the first piece of comprehensive legislation aimed at improving the lives of Americans living with paralysis


65. New Afghan War policy that limits aerial bombing and prioritizes aid, development of infrastructure, diplomacy, and good government practices by Afghans

66. Announced creation of a Joint Virtual Lifetime Electronic Record for members of the U.S. Armed Forces to improve quality of medical care.

67. New federal funding for science and research labs

68. New funds for school construction

69. Ordered all federal agencies to undertake a study and make recommendations for ways to cut spending

70. Ordered a review of all federal operations to identify and cut wasteful spending and practices

71. . Negotiated deal with Swiss banks to permit US government to gain access to records of tax evaders and criminals.

72. Phasing out the expensive F-22 war plane and other outdated weapons systems, which weren’t even used or needed in Iraq/Afghanistan

73. Reengaged in the agreements/talks on global warming and greenhouse gas emissions

74. Provided tax credit to workers thus cutting taxes for 95% of America's working families.

75. Reengaged in the treaties/agreements to protect the Antarctic

76. Removed restrictions on embryonic stem-cell research

77. . Helped reverse a downward spiral of the stock market. On January 19, 2009, the last day of President Bush's presidency, the Dow closed at 8,218.22. In February 2010, the Dow closed at 10,309.24

78. Renewed loan guarantees for Israel

79. Restarted the nuclear non-proliferation talks and building back up the nuclear inspection infrastructure/protocols

80. Provided attractive tax write-offs for those who buy hybrid automobiles.

81. Returned money authorized for refurbishment of White House offices and private living quarters

82. Sent envoys to Middle East and other parts of the world that had been neglected for years; reengaging in multilateral and bilateral talks and diplomacy

83. Unveiled a program on Earth Day 2009 to develop the renewable energy projects on the waters of our Outer Continental Shelf that produce electricity from wind, wave, and ocean currents. These regulations will enable, for the first time ever, the nation to tap into our ocean’s vast sustainable resources to generate clean energy in an environmentally sound and safe manner.


84. Signed national service legislation; expanded national youth service program

85. States are permitted to enact federal fuel efficiency standards above federal standards

86. Students struggling to make college loan payments can have their loans refinanced

87. Successful release of US captain held by Somali pirates; authorized the SEALS to do their job

88. The FDA is now regulating tobacco

89. Ended the previous stop-loss policy that kept soldiers in Iraq/Afghanistan longer than their enlistment date.

90. The missile defense program is being cut by $1.4 billion in 2010

91. The public can meet with federal housing insurers to refinance (the new plan can be completed in one day) a mortgage if they are having trouble paying

92. The “secret detention” facilities in Eastern Europe and elsewhere are being closed

93. US financial and banking rescue plan

94. US Navy increasing patrols off Somali coast

95. . Signed the Weapons Systems Acquisition Reform Act to stop fraud and wasteful spending in the defense procurement and contracting system.

96. Visited more countries and met with more world leaders than any president in his first six months in office

97. Improved relations with Iran

98. Improved U.S. policy on climate change

99. Set timetable for exiting Iraq (already started removing troops)

100. Improved relations with Russia

101. Improved relations with the Islamic World

102. Made progress towards greater cooperation on limiting nuclear proliferation

103. Economic stimulus plan has created jobs. (Unemployment rate decreasing)

104. Drastically slowed down the recession

105. Saved Wall Street

106. Passed the Lilly Ledbetter Act (equal work for equal pay) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lilly_Ledb ... ct_of_2009

107. Healthcare Reform

108. “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” repeal

whygohome

prfctlefts wrote:

http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_uri=/&gl=US#/watch?xl=xl_blazer&v=cxxxGUeZtno

@whygohome
Dude Obama is a joke. I cant believe anybody with half a damn brain continues to take this guy seriously. Also I know of pleanty PLENTY of people that would wipe the floor with Obama in a debate. Here he is studdering STUTTERING like A baffoon BAFOON. Take away that Teleprompter and heres HERE'S OR HERE IS what you get

Looks like you got me there! Unreal. I would love to meet these people that would wipe the floor with Obama. Again, I have no allegiance; I take an objective stance as best as I can, and form what I see, the Right is clearly showing their true colors: support the haves, screw the have nots. Everyone deserves a chance, not just the rich and the corporate. The Right is continuing the deranged tactics found in Reaganomics--and if you want to debate Reaganomics, I read books on Reaganomics for fun--and it has led to the destruction of the lower class (actually expanding it) and has led to the destruction of the Middle class. And before I get labeled in any incorrect way, it's not about spreading the wealth, it's about giving everyone an equal opportunity to succeed in life.

CH156378: nice list.

tinkerbell

nuffingman wrote:

markin ball wrote:

Tinkerbell,

The question of the original post was basically "is this legal?". Whether or not it was the "right" thing to do ain't the point, which is a whole other topic. The president does not have the power under the constitution to authorize an unprovoked attack on a foreign country no matter if it is morally good or bad. We have rules and the whole idea of this country is that no one is above the rules.

The way I see it is it's not illegal because no war has been declared. This is under a UN resolution and the US, UK and France are all UN members. It would been illegal if the bombing had started without a UN resolution. This isn't about blowing the shit out of Libya and moving the troops in, that would be illegal.

If the world stepped back and watched the opponents of Gaddafi being butchered as he had already started doing and did nothing that would have been a crime IMHO. By now we would have been discussing the bloodbath in Benghazi and why we did nothing. Tunisia's and Egypt's presidents quit because of the protests. Now we need to watch what happens in Syria which is another matter entirely. It seems that the people in that region have had enough of their dictators.

That is what I was trying to say! UN resolution is different than a single country deciding to invade another. The whole point of a UN resolution is to act quickly as a united force.

puremagic

prfctlefts wrote:

what lower taxes are you talking about ? I guess in your Progressive View they should pay more ?

http://www.taxfoundation.org/news/show/27116.html

Washington, DC, March 11, 2011-The U.S. corporate tax rate will soon become the highest in the industrialized world, and is already in its 20th year of being above the average for similar economies, according to a new analysis by the Tax Foundation. As other nations enact reforms and rate cuts, the U.S. corporate rate will continue to stand out as a hindrance to economic growth and competitiveness unless lawmakers move to lower the tax burden for businesses.

The combined federal and state rate of 39.2 percent of corporate profits is exceeded only by Japan, whose rate stands at 39.5 percent. When Japan enacts planned cuts next month, however, the United States will have the highest rate of all of the economies in the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD), the group of 34 advanced countries with economies most comparable to the U.S.

As far as entitlments go. They also are bankrupting our country they have become unsustainable. Look it up

as far as your beloved obama care goes it's also already1.
1. been ruled unconstituional

2. Obama lied about it not increasing the deficit ,being able to keep your doctor and premiums not going up.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... 16036.html

Ok, first of all, the Tax Foundation is a non-profit lobbyist group set up to make sure corporate taxes remain low. One of its main objectives is to get legislation passed at the federal level that would allow business-to-business taxes become tax-exempt for non-profit entities, especially hospitals. Such legislation would restrict States from being able to apply sales taxes to transactions between – for example – pharmaceutical products to hospitals. Its VP is the Chief tax person for Eli Lilly, yeah that global pharmaceutical corporation. Just like the push by States to repel Health Care. Being a Judge nowadays seems more on who the highest bidder is, than the law, go figure.

Entitlement programs, are you talking about those programs you pay your taxes into that are supposed to be there for you, if for any reason you become unable to provide for yourself or your family? Those programs that you pay your taxes into that are supposed to be there for you when you retire and need the benefits of Medicaid and Medicare. Are you talking about those programs you pay your taxes into that should be there to provide you with assistance if you should become unemployed? Are these the entitlement programs you’re speaking of, because the Republicans/Tea Party doesn’t want to do away with them, they simply want to privatize them so they can be opened to trading on the stock market.

Or maybe you’re talking about those subsidizing entitlement programs under the Farm Bill that pays millions of dollars in benefits for non-producing farm land. Maybe you’re talking about that subsidizing entitlement program that pays millions of dollars in benefits to the energy industries. Maybe you’re talking about those tax loopholes that allow American corporations to claim ‘foreign’ tax status with a simple PO Box # and telephone #. Did you know that the UAE is on track in becoming the main stay for providing American corporation a tax heaven?

I asked you --
What have the Republicans/Tea Party constructively accomplished. They do a lot of talking, but where’s the concrete results of their actions that have benefited the American public?

YOU GOT NOTHING!!!!

gimmesometruth27

puremagic wrote:

Ok, first of all, the Tax Foundation is a non-profit lobbyist group set up to make sure corporate taxes remain low. One of its main objectives is to get legislation passed at the federal level that would allow business-to-business taxes become tax-exempt for non-profit entities, especially hospitals. Such legislation would restrict States from being able to apply sales taxes to transactions between – for example – pharmaceutical products to hospitals. Its VP is the Chief tax person for Eli Lilly, yeah that global pharmaceutical corporation. Just like the push by States to repel Health Care. Being a Judge nowadays seems more on who the highest bidder is, than the law, go figure.

Entitlement programs, are you talking about those programs you pay your taxes into that are supposed to be there for you, if for any reason you become unable to provide for yourself or your family? Those programs that you pay your taxes into that are supposed to be there for you when you retire and need the benefits of Medicaid and Medicare. Are you talking about those programs you pay your taxes into that should be there to provide you with assistance if you should become unemployed? Are these the entitlement programs you’re speaking of, because the Republicans/Tea Party doesn’t want to do away with them, they simply want to privatize them so they can be opened to trading on the stock market.

Or maybe you’re talking about those subsidizing entitlement programs under the Farm Bill that pays millions of dollars in benefits for non-producing farm land. Maybe you’re talking about that subsidizing entitlement program that pays millions of dollars in benefits to the energy industries. Maybe you’re talking about those tax loopholes that allow American corporations to claim ‘foreign’ tax status with a simple PO Box # and telephone #. Did you know that the UAE is on track in becoming the main stay for providing American corporation a tax heaven?

I asked you --
What have the Republicans/Tea Party constructively accomplished. They do a lot of talking, but where’s the concrete results of their actions that have benefited the American public?

YOU GOT NOTHING!!!!

nice post puremagic.
the republicans are short sighted in the sense that they would rather cut tax dollars from going into those entitlements because they think that THEY will never ever need them. that they will be able to work forever or have enough money invested to live on once they are unable to work. it is a nice thought, but the majority of those republican citizens, not the politicians, who believe like this will be in the exact same situation financially as most of the elderly in the us today. it is the whole "it is not going to happen to me" line of thinking. well guess what, it is going to happen to them. as medical costs such as medications and office visits and procedures, and the inevitable surgeries we undergo as we age continue to increase, the vast majority of these clowns who are so adamently against medicare, medicaid, and social security now will be thanking their lucky stars for the subsidies once they reach retirement age.

the funny thing is we are just bleeding money away on military adventures in the middle east. if the country had that money back in the cofers we would not even be in this situation where we would have to debate cutting things like these necessary entitlement programs.

Newch91

catefrances wrote:

last time an american president decided to bomb libya he wasnt impeached... So why would anyone think this time itd happen... I mean if it were appropriate... Which it isnt.

Reagan?

gimmesometruth27

Newch91 wrote:

catefrances wrote:

last time an american president decided to bomb libya he wasnt impeached... So why would anyone think this time itd happen... I mean if it were appropriate... Which it isnt.

Reagan?

yes reagan bombed libya when i was 10 years old.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1986_bombing_of_Libya

markin ball

prfctlefts wrote:

" wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:



lower taxes for corporations and for the rich, budget cuts for entitlement programs, gutting the middle class, putting business ahead of everything else, flip flopping and secondguessing on every topic just to oppose obama and the dems, and opposing healthinsurance reform...yep, i'd say they have gotten a lot done to benefit the american public...


what lower taxes are you talking about ? I guess in your Progressive View they should pay more ?

http://www.taxfoundation.org/news/show/27116.html

Washington, DC, March 11, 2011-The U.S. corporate tax rate will soon become the highest in the industrialized world, and is already in its 20th year of being above the average for similar economies, according to a new analysis by the Tax Foundation. As other nations enact reforms and rate cuts, the U.S. corporate rate will continue to stand out as a hindrance to economic growth and competitiveness unless lawmakers move to lower the tax burden for businesses.

The combined federal and state rate of 39.2 percent of corporate profits is exceeded only by Japan, whose rate stands at 39.5 percent. When Japan enacts planned cuts next month, however, the United States will have the highest rate of all of the economies in the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD), the group of 34 advanced countries with economies most comparable to the U.S.



As far as entitlments go. They also are bankrupting our country they have become unsustainable. Look it up


as far as your beloved obama care goes it's also already1.
1. been ruled unconstituional

2. Obama lied about it not increasing the deficit ,being able to keep your doctor and premiums not going up.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... 16036.html

Who gives a crap about a tax rate when Exxon Mobile and the like don't pay any taxes.

inlet13

double post

inlet13

Why would any company pay a 35% tax rate when they can pay a half that rate in Ireland or Switzerland?

PLEASE WATCH OR READ THIS:
Watch: http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7360932n&tag=related;photovideo

Read: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/03/27/60minutes/main20046867.shtml

You do realize that when you raise the corporate tax rate, you encourage companies to move their headquarters abroad, right? I would totally be on board with raising or even maintaining our current tax rates on corporations if the all companies could not leave the US. The reality is we live in a globalized world where companies can shift to another country fairly easily (much, much easier than in the past). You can't keep companies here. They can move and their loyalty is not to the U.S., it's to maximizing shareholder wealth. Would they like to stay? Sure. But, will they stay if we double their tax costs? No.