Shall we all sit idle and watch another dictator slaughter his people? I think not. Bombing Libya is not the right way to term what is happening, Libya bombing it own people would be closer.
I didn't read all of the replies but Biden sure was after Bush trying for impeachment.
We are not the world police. If people are so worried about Libya people dying why aren't we doing something about Darfur and situations like that? It is that we have nothing to gain or what?
The US needs to mind its' own business and pull all troops from around the world and bring them home. And before someone screams isolationist to me it is more like non-interventionist. Big difference.
I also think your avatar becomes more relevant every day. Sadly Unsung, I used to argue with you profusely in favour of Obama on these boards. Clearly I was mistaken.
The fact that Obama has done nothing about Guantanamo and continues to spread military intervention throughout the middle east is sickening. Yet the far right still thinks he's a Muslim?! :roll:
And to all those saying that we are there helping the civilians against Gaddafi. I say that's not how I want my tax dollars spent. Our education, infrastructure, and health care are falling apart. Yet we spend billions and billions throughout the middle east?? Americans went through a tremendous civil war to get where we are today. Maybe the libyans need to do the same...without intervention. Let's get all the troops home. Get our shit together in our own countries.
Leading by example at home is the best way to spread democracy. Not by military force.
speak for yourself, i'm glad Canada is participating. I agree with what the U.N is doing.[/quote]
I am speaking for myself, i'm glad your proud that we're taking part in a war we have no business being involved in. Out of curiosity have you joined the armed forces and volunteered to go? Because those who support war should be the first people into battle.[/quote]
ok, lets get things straight here. Enforcing a no-fly zone is not the same as land battle. We will not lose troops enforcing a no fly zone. I would love to go in a fighter jet and destroy military bases of a government whos goal is to kill its own people who protest. I do not support any ground troops entering Libya however. I know many people who are in the military who support this mission. Also Nato will take over control of this mission within a few days as an agreement has been reached with turkey.
I also think your avatar becomes more relevant every day. Sadly Unsung, I used to argue with you profusely in favour of Obama on these boards. Clearly I was mistaken.
The fact that Obama has done nothing about Guantanamo and continues to spread military intervention throughout the middle east is sickening. Yet the far right still thinks he's a Muslim?! :roll:
And to all those saying that we are there helping the civilians against Gaddafi. I say that's not how I want my tax dollars spent. Our education, infrastructure, and health care are falling apart. Yet we spend billions and billions throughout the middle east?? Americans went through a tremendous civil war to get where we are today. Maybe the libyans need to do the same...without intervention. Let's get all the troops home. Get our shit together in our own countries.
Leading by example at home is the best way to spread democracy. Not by military force.
Hey, Obama talks a good game. He says a lot of things that sound believable and left people pretty hopeful. He said them with conviction, and he may have even meant a lot of it-- getting elected seems to be the game changer, or is that the game EXACTLY? To say whatever the people hear when until you get in, and then continue serving your masters like the last guy? Either way, while shit like this is going down he's still damn good at downplaying the tragic aspect of it when he speaks.
Disgruntled liberals need to do SOMETHING about 2012. Form a coalition and make the green party or libertarian party viable, or bite the bullet, register republican, and quit calling Ron Paul unelectable. The only reason he's unelectable is simply because a few talking heads have drilled it into people's heads. His base is growing, and is larger than most people think.
By the way, your last line in your post is awesome.
Shall we all sit idle and watch another dictator slaughter his people? I think not. Bombing Libya is not the right way to term what is happening, Libya bombing it own people would be closer.
you mean exactly like we're doing as troops from saudi arabia kill peaceful protesters in Bahrain??? or as the idf shells gaza recently???
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Simply put it is legal. It was under a UN Resolution. You don't have to like it, but it is legal.
We hate the rising costs of movie tickets, but we still go; we hate that professional athletes are spoiled cry-babies, but we still watch and attend games; we hate our government, but we do nothing about it; we hate how overweight we are (33% obesity rate...and counting), but we don't stop sitting in the drive-thru; we support those who want to fight terrorism, but we continue to empty our wallets at the pumps; and on and on and on and on and on...................
I can't believe I'm defending Obama...but in this cat's case, it has NOTHING to do with oil. You'd be correct in that assumption if we were still under the "protection" of our last Liar in Chief. I remember ultra-conservatives saying that if Obama were to be elected, he'd remove the troops from Afghanistan/Saudi Arabia before the mission was completed. Now he acts on a terrorist threat, and those same conservatives say he acted too slowly? And, you say he should be impeached for his actions? Out of curiousity, how'd you vote in 2004? You didn't happen to knowingly re-elect a public liar, did you?
i'm not a conserative, if that's what you're getting at. and it doesn't matter who you, i, or anyone voted for. whoever gets to play the role of the POTUS is working for interests other than ours. but that's another discussion.
Not getting at that at all - sorry it came across that way. Generally speaking, the conservative politicians criticise whatever Obama does. I was, however, curious if you voted to re-elect W, as that would've been a dangerous decision.
tunisia's also in africa. why aren't we bombing them? or any of the other brutal dictatorships all over that continent?
Fair point - just wasn't following your "let's bomb half of Africa" rationale when, Obama approves bombing a country in Africa and you call for his impeachment.
The question of the original post was basically "is this legal?". Whether or not it was the "right" thing to do ain't the point, which is a whole other topic. The president does not have the power under the constitution to authorize an unprovoked attack on a foreign country no matter if it is morally good or bad. We have rules and the whole idea of this country is that no one is above the rules.
IF the Pres had done this completely on his own, then sure , I'd say it was illegal. Having said that , wouldn't you say that being a major member nation of The U.N. AND NATO kinda makes the above a moot point?
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The reasons why I don't agree with being in Libya,
-our economical situation
-our existence in 2 on going military activities in the Middle East
-Hillary did a piss poor job in assessing the situation in Libya France, Spain and Italy needs Libya, we don't and they should have been the ones taking the lead and demanding that the Arab League and the Saudis be at there side.
-I believe countries should handle their own internal civil discords, unless, it threatens the world. Our Civil War was brother against brother and it was bloody by all accounts – yet our country survived and grew. Here the so-called Arab League is content to sit back and let the US and West do all the dirty work.
Democracy is not automatic and it is not without ongoing struggles. Its a constant fight, just look at the shit that is going on at the State level.
Hell, the biggest threat to the American political system and the American people came at the hands of the United States Supreme Court who forgot the main function of the Constitution – We The People. Instead, they gave the right of the people to 'form a more perfect union' to the mufti-international corporations.
With all that said, the President had the authority to make the call to participate in Libya as laid out by the UN resolution, just like Presidents before him. It's not an impeachable action.
SIN EATERS--We take the moral excrement we find in this equation and we bury it down deep inside of us so that the rest of our case can stay pure. That is the job. We are morally indefensible and absolutely necessary.
Everything is an impeachable offense nowadays simply because our polar 2-party system which is enforced by media and narrow minded citizens. Anyone who blindly follows a party or person nowadays is idiotic. Generalizing about "the other side" is no different than participating in politics like you would sports. Pretty Sad for the state of the American politics and future.
As for Libya, we're damned if we do nothing and damned if we do something. We can look at problems in the past like Rwanda and shake our heads at inaction or we can look at Yugoslavia for action. Don't know if there's a "right answer" per say, but better to side on action against an obvious wrong-doing regardless of the feedback of others. The problem is we really lose our creditability with engagements through our history or of recent in Afghanistan, Pakistan or Iraq which just gives us a black eye and negative connotation no matter if our intentions or actions are good, bad or indifferent.
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"This command-and-control business is complicated, and we haven't done something like this of on-the-fly before." Robert Gates
I thought this was is an odd quote from this week.
Hillary Clinton in an interview from Cairo, Egypt stated she will not stay on as Secretary of State in Obama wins a 2nd term.
Gates has already announced his intention to step down as Secretary of Defense at the end of 2011.
So its not surprising, not to see Hillary out there defending America's actions in Libya; nor is it surprising that Gates seems to be fumbling around with his decisions. These are the two main people that the President relied upon in making his decisions on sanctions and military actions against Libya and now they both seem to be wiping off their knife.
SIN EATERS--We take the moral excrement we find in this equation and we bury it down deep inside of us so that the rest of our case can stay pure. That is the job. We are morally indefensible and absolutely necessary.
“The President does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation.”
senator Obama sounds a little different than president Obama :?
IMHO he's in way over his head. I guess this is what we get when people elect a community organizer.
senator Obama sounds a little different than president Obama :?
IMHO he's in way over his head. I guess this is what we get when people elect a community organizer.
What have the Republicans/Tea Party constructively accomplished. They do a lot of talking, but where's the concrete results of their actions that have benefited the American public?
SIN EATERS--We take the moral excrement we find in this equation and we bury it down deep inside of us so that the rest of our case can stay pure. That is the job. We are morally indefensible and absolutely necessary.
last time an american president decided to bomb libya he wasnt impeached... So why would anyone think this time itd happen... I mean if it were appropriate... Which it isnt.
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senator Obama sounds a little different than president Obama :?
IMHO he's in way over his head. I guess this is what we get when people elect a community organizer.
What have the Republicans/Tea Party constructively accomplished. They do a lot of talking, but where's the concrete results of their actions that have benefited the American public?
lower taxes for corporations and for the rich, budget cuts for entitlement programs, gutting the middle class, putting business ahead of everything else, flip flopping and secondguessing on every topic just to oppose obama and the dems, and opposing healthinsurance reform...yep, i'd say they have gotten a lot done to benefit the american public...
:roll:
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senator Obama sounds a little different than president Obama :?
IMHO he's in way over his head. I guess this is what we get when people elect a community organizer.
What have the Republicans/Tea Party constructively accomplished. They do a lot of talking, but where's the concrete results of their actions that have benefited the American public?
lower taxes for corporations and for the rich, budget cuts for entitlement programs, gutting the middle class, putting business ahead of everything else, flip flopping and secondguessing on every topic just to oppose obama and the dems, and opposing healthinsurance reform...yep, i'd say they have gotten a lot done to benefit the american public...
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Here we go....the community organizer angle. I would love anyone who criticizes the president to stand toe to toe with him to test their own knowledge. it would be a laughable affair. I am so sick and tired of these kindergarten conversations: "he sucks, he has a 'D' next to his name! No he sucks, he has an 'R' next to his name! Democrats are great, Republicans are evil! Republicans are patriots, Democrats hate America!"
The President is in way over his head, because he inherited a failing economy and two wars. Who wouldn't be in over his head? Was Nixon in over his head? Yes. Does it matter what party a president belongs to to admit he inherited a terrible situation. And, the people of this country aren't helping AT ALL. it is our country and we have stood by and watched it go to shit. Has our government made some terrible decisions? Yes. But, we are at the heart of these decisions. If we weren't such a greedy, selfish, gluttonous, materialistic society, we would have far less problems. If we weren't so addicted to oil, to the point that it negatively affected our foreign policy, we would be better off. Some say that our addiction to oil caused 9/11 (as it did cause our Middle East policies). I think that it is an extreme statement, but how far off is it? Why is our economy struggling? Because a handful (relatively speaking) of evil, greedy suits decided to play with the economy as if they were at the craps table. Why is China's economy booming? How about because nothing is made in the good ol' USA anymore. How about because we flock like the idiotic, docile sheep we are to the New American Church--Wal-Mart--where 70% of the crap is made in China. Buy American. Nike, the great American company--everything made overseas. The list goes on and on. But we don't care! Let's go to the mall and buy a bunch of clothes! Yay, there's a sale!! Do we look at the tags? NO. We don't care that these "necessities" are made in Thailand by a 10 year old girl in a sweatshop! Yay! Nothing makes me more sick that seeing girls show off their shoes or new purses. Check the tags! Thank god my girlfriend has a brain and hates shopping.
It is OUR FAULT. WAKE UP. I wish it were so easy that we could just blame a "community organizer." It's not, but it is easier than blaming ourselves. it is always easier to blame someone else but ourselves. We live in a egocentric universe and it is killing us.
The idiotic, childish level of discourse in this country is ridiculous. Rant aside (sorry, but the community organizer thing is simply a display of an inability to construct an intelligent criticism). I am in no way defending Obama; I have no allegiance to a politician or to a political party. I am defending intelligence. I am defending an intelligent discourse amongst the people, and sadly, I do not feel it exists anymore.
That aside, it is difficult to disagree with what puremagic and gimmesome have said. Pure objectivity is nearly impossible, but it is a valiant attempt at sanity.
lower taxes for corporations and for the rich, budget cuts for entitlement programs, gutting the middle class, putting business ahead of everything else, flip flopping and secondguessing on every topic just to oppose obama and the dems, and opposing healthinsurance reform...yep, i'd say they have gotten a lot done to benefit the american public...
what lower taxes are you talking about ? I guess in your Progressive View they should pay more ?
Washington, DC, March 11, 2011-The U.S. corporate tax rate will soon become the highest in the industrialized world, and is already in its 20th year of being above the average for similar economies, according to a new analysis by the Tax Foundation. As other nations enact reforms and rate cuts, the U.S. corporate rate will continue to stand out as a hindrance to economic growth and competitiveness unless lawmakers move to lower the tax burden for businesses.
The combined federal and state rate of 39.2 percent of corporate profits is exceeded only by Japan, whose rate stands at 39.5 percent. When Japan enacts planned cuts next month, however, the United States will have the highest rate of all of the economies in the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD), the group of 34 advanced countries with economies most comparable to the U.S.
As far as entitlments go. They also are bankrupting our country they have become unsustainable. Look it up
as far as your beloved obama care goes it's also already1.
1. been ruled unconstituional
@whygohome
Dude Obama is a joke. I cant believe anybody with half a damn brain continues to take this guy seriously. Also I know of pleanty of people that would wipe the floor with Obama in a debate. Here he is studdering like baffoon. Take away that TelePrompTer and heres what you get
@whygohome
Dude Obama is a joke. I cant believe anybody with half a damn brain continues to take this guy seriously. Also I know of pleanty of people that would wipe the floor with Obama in a debate. Here he is studdering like baffoon. Take away that TelePrompTer and heres what you get
1. Saved the collapse of the American automotive industry by making GM restructure before bailing them out, and putting incentive money to help the industry
2. Shifted the focus of the war from Iraq to Afghanistan, and putting the emphasis on reducing terrorism where it should have been all along
3. Relaxed Anti-American tensions throughout the world
4. Signed order to close the prisoner “torture camp” at Guantanamo Bay
5. Has made the environment a national priority, and a primary source for job creation
6. Has made education a national priority by putting emphasis and money behind new ideas like charter schools, but speaking directly to school children in telling them they have to do their part.
7. Won the Nobel Peace Prize
8. $789 billion economic stimulus plan
9. Appointment of first Latina to the Supreme Court
10. Attractive tax write-offs for those who buy hybrid automobiles
11. Authorized construction/opening of additional health centers to care for veterans
12. Renewed dialogue with NATO and other allies and partners on strategic issues.
13. Beginning the process of reforming and restructuring the military 20 years after the Cold War to a more modern fighting force… this includes new procurement policies, increasing size of military, new technology and cyber units and operations, etc.
14. Better body armor is now being provided to our troops
15. “Cash for clunkers” program offers vouchers to trade in fuel inefficient, polluting old cars for new cars; stimulates auto sales
16. Changed the failing/status quo military command in Afghanistan
17. Closed offshore tax safe havens
18. Deployed additional troops to Afghanistan
19. Ended media “blackout” on war casualties; reporting full information
20. Ended previous policy of awarding no-bid defense contracts
21. . Ended media blackout on war casualties and the return of fallen soldiers to Dover AFB.
22. Ended previous policy of cutting the FDA and circumventing FDA rules
23. Ended previous practice of forbidding Medicare from negotiating with drug manufacturers for cheaper drugs; the federal government is now realizing hundreds of millions in savings
24. Ended previous practice of having White House aides rewrite scientific and environmental rules, regulations, and reports
25. American Recovery and Reinvestment Act has created 2.1 million jobs (as of 12/31/09).
26. Ended previous policy of not regulating and labeling carbon dioxide emissions
27. Ended previous policy of offering tax benefits to corporations who outsource American jobs; the new policy is to promote in-sourcing to bring jobs back
28. Ended previous policy on torture; the US now has a no torture policy and is in compliance with the Geneva Convention standards
29. . Launched Recovery.gov to track spending from the Recovery Act, an unprecedented step to provide transparency and accountability through technology.
30. Ended previous practice of protecting credit card companies; in place of it are new consumer protections from credit card industry’s predatory practices
31. Ended previous “stop-loss” policy that kept soldiers in Iraq/Afghanistan longer than their enlistment date
32. Energy producing plants must begin preparing to produce 15% of their energy from renewable sources
33. Established a National Performance Officer charged with saving the federal government money and making federal operations more efficient
34. Established a new cyber security office
35. Expanded the SCHIP program to cover health care for 4 million more children
36. Expanding vaccination programs
37. Families of fallen soldiers have expenses
38. . Provided the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) with more than $1.4 billion to improve services to America’s Veterans.
39. Federal support for stem-cell and new biomedical research
40. Funds for high-speed, broadband Internet access to K-12 schools
41. Responded with compassion and leadership to the earthquake in Haiti
42. Immediate and efficient response to the floods in North Dakota and other natural disasters
43. . Launched Business.gov – enabling conversation and online collaboration between small business owners, government representatives and industry experts in discussion forums relevant to starting and managing a business. Great for the economy.
44. Improved housing for military personnel
45. Improved conditions at Walter Reed Military Hospital and other military hospitals
46. Changed failing war strategy in Afghanistan.
47. Improving benefits for veterans
48. Increased infrastructure spending (roads, bridges, power plants…) after years of neglect
49. Donated his $1.4 million Nobel Prize to nonprofits.
50. Increasing opportunities in AmeriCorps program
51. Provided tax credits to first-time home buyers through the Worker, Homeownership, and Business Assistance Act of 2009 to revitalize the U.S. housing market.
52. Increasing pay and benefits for military personnel
53. Increasing student loans
54. Instituted a new policy on Cuba, allowing Cuban families to return “home” to visit loved ones
55. Cracked down on companies that deny sick pay, vacation and health insurance to workers by abusing the employee classification of independent contractor. Such companies also avoid paying Social Security, Medicare and unemployment insurance taxes for those workers.
56. Limited salaries of senior White House aides; cut to $100,000
57. Limits on lobbyists’ access to the White House
58. Protected 300,000 education jobs, such as teachers, principals, librarians, and counselors through the Recovery Act that would have otherwise been lost.
59. Limits on White House aides working for lobbyists after their tenure in the administration
60. Children’s Health Insurance Reauthorization Act on February 4, 2009, provides quality health care to 11 million kids – 4 million who were previously uninsured.
61. Lower drug costs for seniors
62. Making more loans available to small businesses
63. Many more press conferences and town halls and much more media access than previous administration
64. . Signed the Christopher and Dana Reeve Paralysis Act, the first piece of comprehensive legislation aimed at improving the lives of Americans living with paralysis
65. New Afghan War policy that limits aerial bombing and prioritizes aid, development of infrastructure, diplomacy, and good government practices by Afghans
66. Announced creation of a Joint Virtual Lifetime Electronic Record for members of the U.S. Armed Forces to improve quality of medical care.
67. New federal funding for science and research labs
68. New funds for school construction
69. Ordered all federal agencies to undertake a study and make recommendations for ways to cut spending
70. Ordered a review of all federal operations to identify and cut wasteful spending and practices
71. . Negotiated deal with Swiss banks to permit US government to gain access to records of tax evaders and criminals.
72. Phasing out the expensive F-22 war plane and other outdated weapons systems, which weren’t even used or needed in Iraq/Afghanistan
73. Reengaged in the agreements/talks on global warming and greenhouse gas emissions
74. Provided tax credit to workers thus cutting taxes for 95% of America's working families.
75. Reengaged in the treaties/agreements to protect the Antarctic
76. Removed restrictions on embryonic stem-cell research
77. . Helped reverse a downward spiral of the stock market. On January 19, 2009, the last day of President Bush's presidency, the Dow closed at 8,218.22. In February 2010, the Dow closed at 10,309.24
78. Renewed loan guarantees for Israel
79. Restarted the nuclear non-proliferation talks and building back up the nuclear inspection infrastructure/protocols
80. Provided attractive tax write-offs for those who buy hybrid automobiles.
81. Returned money authorized for refurbishment of White House offices and private living quarters
82. Sent envoys to Middle East and other parts of the world that had been neglected for years; reengaging in multilateral and bilateral talks and diplomacy
83. Unveiled a program on Earth Day 2009 to develop the renewable energy projects on the waters of our Outer Continental Shelf that produce electricity from wind, wave, and ocean currents. These regulations will enable, for the first time ever, the nation to tap into our ocean’s vast sustainable resources to generate clean energy in an environmentally sound and safe manner.
84. Signed national service legislation; expanded national youth service program
85. States are permitted to enact federal fuel efficiency standards above federal standards
86. Students struggling to make college loan payments can have their loans refinanced
87. Successful release of US captain held by Somali pirates; authorized the SEALS to do their job
88. The FDA is now regulating tobacco
89. Ended the previous stop-loss policy that kept soldiers in Iraq/Afghanistan longer than their enlistment date.
90. The missile defense program is being cut by $1.4 billion in 2010
91. The public can meet with federal housing insurers to refinance (the new plan can be completed in one day) a mortgage if they are having trouble paying
92. The “secret detention” facilities in Eastern Europe and elsewhere are being closed
93. US financial and banking rescue plan
94. US Navy increasing patrols off Somali coast
95. . Signed the Weapons Systems Acquisition Reform Act to stop fraud and wasteful spending in the defense procurement and contracting system.
96. Visited more countries and met with more world leaders than any president in his first six months in office
97. Improved relations with Iran
98. Improved U.S. policy on climate change
99. Set timetable for exiting Iraq (already started removing troops)
100. Improved relations with Russia
101. Improved relations with the Islamic World
102. Made progress towards greater cooperation on limiting nuclear proliferation
103. Economic stimulus plan has created jobs. (Unemployment rate decreasing)
@whygohome
Dude Obama is a joke. I cant believe anybody with half a damn brain continues to take this guy seriously. Also I know of pleanty PLENTY of people that would wipe the floor with Obama in a debate. Here he is studdering STUTTERING like A baffoon BAFOON. Take away that Teleprompter and heres HERE'S OR HERE IS what you get
Looks like you got me there! Unreal. I would love to meet these people that would wipe the floor with Obama. Again, I have no allegiance; I take an objective stance as best as I can, and form what I see, the Right is clearly showing their true colors: support the haves, screw the have nots. Everyone deserves a chance, not just the rich and the corporate. The Right is continuing the deranged tactics found in Reaganomics--and if you want to debate Reaganomics, I read books on Reaganomics for fun--and it has led to the destruction of the lower class (actually expanding it) and has led to the destruction of the Middle class. And before I get labeled in any incorrect way, it's not about spreading the wealth, it's about giving everyone an equal opportunity to succeed in life.
The question of the original post was basically "is this legal?". Whether or not it was the "right" thing to do ain't the point, which is a whole other topic. The president does not have the power under the constitution to authorize an unprovoked attack on a foreign country no matter if it is morally good or bad. We have rules and the whole idea of this country is that no one is above the rules.
The way I see it is it's not illegal because no war has been declared. This is under a UN resolution and the US, UK and France are all UN members. It would been illegal if the bombing had started without a UN resolution. This isn't about blowing the shit out of Libya and moving the troops in, that would be illegal.
If the world stepped back and watched the opponents of Gaddafi being butchered as he had already started doing and did nothing that would have been a crime IMHO. By now we would have been discussing the bloodbath in Benghazi and why we did nothing. Tunisia's and Egypt's presidents quit because of the protests. Now we need to watch what happens in Syria which is another matter entirely. It seems that the people in that region have had enough of their dictators.
That is what I was trying to say! UN resolution is different than a single country deciding to invade another. The whole point of a UN resolution is to act quickly as a united force.
Washington, DC, March 11, 2011-The U.S. corporate tax rate will soon become the highest in the industrialized world, and is already in its 20th year of being above the average for similar economies, according to a new analysis by the Tax Foundation. As other nations enact reforms and rate cuts, the U.S. corporate rate will continue to stand out as a hindrance to economic growth and competitiveness unless lawmakers move to lower the tax burden for businesses.
The combined federal and state rate of 39.2 percent of corporate profits is exceeded only by Japan, whose rate stands at 39.5 percent. When Japan enacts planned cuts next month, however, the United States will have the highest rate of all of the economies in the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD), the group of 34 advanced countries with economies most comparable to the U.S.
As far as entitlments go. They also are bankrupting our country they have become unsustainable. Look it up
as far as your beloved obama care goes it's also already1.
1. been ruled unconstituional
Ok, first of all, the Tax Foundation is a non-profit lobbyist group set up to make sure corporate taxes remain low. One of its main objectives is to get legislation passed at the federal level that would allow business-to-business taxes become tax-exempt for non-profit entities, especially hospitals. Such legislation would restrict States from being able to apply sales taxes to transactions between – for example – pharmaceutical products to hospitals. Its VP is the Chief tax person for Eli Lilly, yeah that global pharmaceutical corporation. Just like the push by States to repel Health Care. Being a Judge nowadays seems more on who the highest bidder is, than the law, go figure.
Entitlement programs, are you talking about those programs you pay your taxes into that are supposed to be there for you, if for any reason you become unable to provide for yourself or your family? Those programs that you pay your taxes into that are supposed to be there for you when you retire and need the benefits of Medicaid and Medicare. Are you talking about those programs you pay your taxes into that should be there to provide you with assistance if you should become unemployed? Are these the entitlement programs you’re speaking of, because the Republicans/Tea Party doesn’t want to do away with them, they simply want to privatize them so they can be opened to trading on the stock market.
Or maybe you’re talking about those subsidizing entitlement programs under the Farm Bill that pays millions of dollars in benefits for non-producing farm land. Maybe you’re talking about that subsidizing entitlement program that pays millions of dollars in benefits to the energy industries. Maybe you’re talking about those tax loopholes that allow American corporations to claim ‘foreign’ tax status with a simple PO Box # and telephone #. Did you know that the UAE is on track in becoming the main stay for providing American corporation a tax heaven?
I asked you --
What have the Republicans/Tea Party constructively accomplished. They do a lot of talking, but where’s the concrete results of their actions that have benefited the American public?
YOU GOT NOTHING!!!!
SIN EATERS--We take the moral excrement we find in this equation and we bury it down deep inside of us so that the rest of our case can stay pure. That is the job. We are morally indefensible and absolutely necessary.
Ok, first of all, the Tax Foundation is a non-profit lobbyist group set up to make sure corporate taxes remain low. One of its main objectives is to get legislation passed at the federal level that would allow business-to-business taxes become tax-exempt for non-profit entities, especially hospitals. Such legislation would restrict States from being able to apply sales taxes to transactions between – for example – pharmaceutical products to hospitals. Its VP is the Chief tax person for Eli Lilly, yeah that global pharmaceutical corporation. Just like the push by States to repel Health Care. Being a Judge nowadays seems more on who the highest bidder is, than the law, go figure.
Entitlement programs, are you talking about those programs you pay your taxes into that are supposed to be there for you, if for any reason you become unable to provide for yourself or your family? Those programs that you pay your taxes into that are supposed to be there for you when you retire and need the benefits of Medicaid and Medicare. Are you talking about those programs you pay your taxes into that should be there to provide you with assistance if you should become unemployed? Are these the entitlement programs you’re speaking of, because the Republicans/Tea Party doesn’t want to do away with them, they simply want to privatize them so they can be opened to trading on the stock market.
Or maybe you’re talking about those subsidizing entitlement programs under the Farm Bill that pays millions of dollars in benefits for non-producing farm land. Maybe you’re talking about that subsidizing entitlement program that pays millions of dollars in benefits to the energy industries. Maybe you’re talking about those tax loopholes that allow American corporations to claim ‘foreign’ tax status with a simple PO Box # and telephone #. Did you know that the UAE is on track in becoming the main stay for providing American corporation a tax heaven?
I asked you --
What have the Republicans/Tea Party constructively accomplished. They do a lot of talking, but where’s the concrete results of their actions that have benefited the American public?
YOU GOT NOTHING!!!!
nice post puremagic.
the republicans are short sighted in the sense that they would rather cut tax dollars from going into those entitlements because they think that THEY will never ever need them. that they will be able to work forever or have enough money invested to live on once they are unable to work. it is a nice thought, but the majority of those republican citizens, not the politicians, who believe like this will be in the exact same situation financially as most of the elderly in the us today. it is the whole "it is not going to happen to me" line of thinking. well guess what, it is going to happen to them. as medical costs such as medications and office visits and procedures, and the inevitable surgeries we undergo as we age continue to increase, the vast majority of these clowns who are so adamently against medicare, medicaid, and social security now will be thanking their lucky stars for the subsidies once they reach retirement age.
the funny thing is we are just bleeding money away on military adventures in the middle east. if the country had that money back in the cofers we would not even be in this situation where we would have to debate cutting things like these necessary entitlement programs.
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last time an american president decided to bomb libya he wasnt impeached... So why would anyone think this time itd happen... I mean if it were appropriate... Which it isnt.
Reagan?
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last time an american president decided to bomb libya he wasnt impeached... So why would anyone think this time itd happen... I mean if it were appropriate... Which it isnt.
lower taxes for corporations and for the rich, budget cuts for entitlement programs, gutting the middle class, putting business ahead of everything else, flip flopping and secondguessing on every topic just to oppose obama and the dems, and opposing healthinsurance reform...yep, i'd say they have gotten a lot done to benefit the american public...
what lower taxes are you talking about ? I guess in your Progressive View they should pay more ?
Washington, DC, March 11, 2011-The U.S. corporate tax rate will soon become the highest in the industrialized world, and is already in its 20th year of being above the average for similar economies, according to a new analysis by the Tax Foundation. As other nations enact reforms and rate cuts, the U.S. corporate rate will continue to stand out as a hindrance to economic growth and competitiveness unless lawmakers move to lower the tax burden for businesses.
The combined federal and state rate of 39.2 percent of corporate profits is exceeded only by Japan, whose rate stands at 39.5 percent. When Japan enacts planned cuts next month, however, the United States will have the highest rate of all of the economies in the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD), the group of 34 advanced countries with economies most comparable to the U.S.
As far as entitlments go. They also are bankrupting our country they have become unsustainable. Look it up
as far as your beloved obama care goes it's also already1.
1. been ruled unconstituional
You do realize that when you raise the corporate tax rate, you encourage companies to move their headquarters abroad, right? I would totally be on board with raising or even maintaining our current tax rates on corporations if the all companies could not leave the US. The reality is we live in a globalized world where companies can shift to another country fairly easily (much, much easier than in the past). You can't keep companies here. They can move and their loyalty is not to the U.S., it's to maximizing shareholder wealth. Would they like to stay? Sure. But, will they stay if we double their tax costs? No.
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I also think your avatar becomes more relevant every day. Sadly Unsung, I used to argue with you profusely in favour of Obama on these boards. Clearly I was mistaken.
The fact that Obama has done nothing about Guantanamo and continues to spread military intervention throughout the middle east is sickening. Yet the far right still thinks he's a Muslim?! :roll:
And to all those saying that we are there helping the civilians against Gaddafi. I say that's not how I want my tax dollars spent. Our education, infrastructure, and health care are falling apart. Yet we spend billions and billions throughout the middle east?? Americans went through a tremendous civil war to get where we are today. Maybe the libyans need to do the same...without intervention. Let's get all the troops home. Get our shit together in our own countries.
Leading by example at home is the best way to spread democracy. Not by military force.
I am speaking for myself, i'm glad your proud that we're taking part in a war we have no business being involved in. Out of curiosity have you joined the armed forces and volunteered to go? Because those who support war should be the first people into battle.[/quote]
ok, lets get things straight here. Enforcing a no-fly zone is not the same as land battle. We will not lose troops enforcing a no fly zone. I would love to go in a fighter jet and destroy military bases of a government whos goal is to kill its own people who protest. I do not support any ground troops entering Libya however. I know many people who are in the military who support this mission. Also Nato will take over control of this mission within a few days as an agreement has been reached with turkey.
Hey, Obama talks a good game. He says a lot of things that sound believable and left people pretty hopeful. He said them with conviction, and he may have even meant a lot of it-- getting elected seems to be the game changer, or is that the game EXACTLY? To say whatever the people hear when until you get in, and then continue serving your masters like the last guy? Either way, while shit like this is going down he's still damn good at downplaying the tragic aspect of it when he speaks.
Disgruntled liberals need to do SOMETHING about 2012. Form a coalition and make the green party or libertarian party viable, or bite the bullet, register republican, and quit calling Ron Paul unelectable. The only reason he's unelectable is simply because a few talking heads have drilled it into people's heads. His base is growing, and is larger than most people think.
By the way, your last line in your post is awesome.
you mean exactly like we're doing as troops from saudi arabia kill peaceful protesters in Bahrain??? or as the idf shells gaza recently???
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We hate the rising costs of movie tickets, but we still go; we hate that professional athletes are spoiled cry-babies, but we still watch and attend games; we hate our government, but we do nothing about it; we hate how overweight we are (33% obesity rate...and counting), but we don't stop sitting in the drive-thru; we support those who want to fight terrorism, but we continue to empty our wallets at the pumps; and on and on and on and on and on...................
UN resolutions don't supercede the US constitution.
Not getting at that at all - sorry it came across that way. Generally speaking, the conservative politicians criticise whatever Obama does. I was, however, curious if you voted to re-elect W, as that would've been a dangerous decision.
Fair point - just wasn't following your "let's bomb half of Africa" rationale when, Obama approves bombing a country in Africa and you call for his impeachment.
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-our economical situation
-our existence in 2 on going military activities in the Middle East
-Hillary did a piss poor job in assessing the situation in Libya France, Spain and Italy needs Libya, we don't and they should have been the ones taking the lead and demanding that the Arab League and the Saudis be at there side.
-I believe countries should handle their own internal civil discords, unless, it threatens the world. Our Civil War was brother against brother and it was bloody by all accounts – yet our country survived and grew. Here the so-called Arab League is content to sit back and let the US and West do all the dirty work.
Democracy is not automatic and it is not without ongoing struggles. Its a constant fight, just look at the shit that is going on at the State level.
Hell, the biggest threat to the American political system and the American people came at the hands of the United States Supreme Court who forgot the main function of the Constitution – We The People. Instead, they gave the right of the people to 'form a more perfect union' to the mufti-international corporations.
With all that said, the President had the authority to make the call to participate in Libya as laid out by the UN resolution, just like Presidents before him. It's not an impeachable action.
I thought this was is an odd quote from this week.
As for Libya, we're damned if we do nothing and damned if we do something. We can look at problems in the past like Rwanda and shake our heads at inaction or we can look at Yugoslavia for action. Don't know if there's a "right answer" per say, but better to side on action against an obvious wrong-doing regardless of the feedback of others. The problem is we really lose our creditability with engagements through our history or of recent in Afghanistan, Pakistan or Iraq which just gives us a black eye and negative connotation no matter if our intentions or actions are good, bad or indifferent.
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Hillary Clinton in an interview from Cairo, Egypt stated she will not stay on as Secretary of State in Obama wins a 2nd term.
Gates has already announced his intention to step down as Secretary of Defense at the end of 2011.
So its not surprising, not to see Hillary out there defending America's actions in Libya; nor is it surprising that Gates seems to be fumbling around with his decisions. These are the two main people that the President relied upon in making his decisions on sanctions and military actions against Libya and now they both seem to be wiping off their knife.
senator Obama sounds a little different than president Obama :?
IMHO he's in way over his head. I guess this is what we get when people elect a community organizer.
What have the Republicans/Tea Party constructively accomplished. They do a lot of talking, but where's the concrete results of their actions that have benefited the American public?
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Here we go....the community organizer angle. I would love anyone who criticizes the president to stand toe to toe with him to test their own knowledge. it would be a laughable affair. I am so sick and tired of these kindergarten conversations: "he sucks, he has a 'D' next to his name! No he sucks, he has an 'R' next to his name! Democrats are great, Republicans are evil! Republicans are patriots, Democrats hate America!"
The President is in way over his head, because he inherited a failing economy and two wars. Who wouldn't be in over his head? Was Nixon in over his head? Yes. Does it matter what party a president belongs to to admit he inherited a terrible situation. And, the people of this country aren't helping AT ALL. it is our country and we have stood by and watched it go to shit. Has our government made some terrible decisions? Yes. But, we are at the heart of these decisions. If we weren't such a greedy, selfish, gluttonous, materialistic society, we would have far less problems. If we weren't so addicted to oil, to the point that it negatively affected our foreign policy, we would be better off. Some say that our addiction to oil caused 9/11 (as it did cause our Middle East policies). I think that it is an extreme statement, but how far off is it? Why is our economy struggling? Because a handful (relatively speaking) of evil, greedy suits decided to play with the economy as if they were at the craps table. Why is China's economy booming? How about because nothing is made in the good ol' USA anymore. How about because we flock like the idiotic, docile sheep we are to the New American Church--Wal-Mart--where 70% of the crap is made in China. Buy American. Nike, the great American company--everything made overseas. The list goes on and on. But we don't care! Let's go to the mall and buy a bunch of clothes! Yay, there's a sale!! Do we look at the tags? NO. We don't care that these "necessities" are made in Thailand by a 10 year old girl in a sweatshop! Yay! Nothing makes me more sick that seeing girls show off their shoes or new purses. Check the tags! Thank god my girlfriend has a brain and hates shopping.
It is OUR FAULT. WAKE UP. I wish it were so easy that we could just blame a "community organizer." It's not, but it is easier than blaming ourselves. it is always easier to blame someone else but ourselves. We live in a egocentric universe and it is killing us.
The idiotic, childish level of discourse in this country is ridiculous. Rant aside (sorry, but the community organizer thing is simply a display of an inability to construct an intelligent criticism). I am in no way defending Obama; I have no allegiance to a politician or to a political party. I am defending intelligence. I am defending an intelligent discourse amongst the people, and sadly, I do not feel it exists anymore.
That aside, it is difficult to disagree with what puremagic and gimmesome have said. Pure objectivity is nearly impossible, but it is a valiant attempt at sanity.
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Dude Obama is a joke. I cant believe anybody with half a damn brain continues to take this guy seriously. Also I know of pleanty of people that would wipe the floor with Obama in a debate. Here he is studdering like baffoon. Take away that TelePrompTer and heres what you get
1. Saved the collapse of the American automotive industry by making GM restructure before bailing them out, and putting incentive money to help the industry
2. Shifted the focus of the war from Iraq to Afghanistan, and putting the emphasis on reducing terrorism where it should have been all along
3. Relaxed Anti-American tensions throughout the world
4. Signed order to close the prisoner “torture camp” at Guantanamo Bay
5. Has made the environment a national priority, and a primary source for job creation
6. Has made education a national priority by putting emphasis and money behind new ideas like charter schools, but speaking directly to school children in telling them they have to do their part.
7. Won the Nobel Peace Prize
8. $789 billion economic stimulus plan
9. Appointment of first Latina to the Supreme Court
10. Attractive tax write-offs for those who buy hybrid automobiles
11. Authorized construction/opening of additional health centers to care for veterans
12. Renewed dialogue with NATO and other allies and partners on strategic issues.
13. Beginning the process of reforming and restructuring the military 20 years after the Cold War to a more modern fighting force… this includes new procurement policies, increasing size of military, new technology and cyber units and operations, etc.
14. Better body armor is now being provided to our troops
15. “Cash for clunkers” program offers vouchers to trade in fuel inefficient, polluting old cars for new cars; stimulates auto sales
16. Changed the failing/status quo military command in Afghanistan
17. Closed offshore tax safe havens
18. Deployed additional troops to Afghanistan
19. Ended media “blackout” on war casualties; reporting full information
20. Ended previous policy of awarding no-bid defense contracts
21. . Ended media blackout on war casualties and the return of fallen soldiers to Dover AFB.
22. Ended previous policy of cutting the FDA and circumventing FDA rules
23. Ended previous practice of forbidding Medicare from negotiating with drug manufacturers for cheaper drugs; the federal government is now realizing hundreds of millions in savings
24. Ended previous practice of having White House aides rewrite scientific and environmental rules, regulations, and reports
25. American Recovery and Reinvestment Act has created 2.1 million jobs (as of 12/31/09).
26. Ended previous policy of not regulating and labeling carbon dioxide emissions
27. Ended previous policy of offering tax benefits to corporations who outsource American jobs; the new policy is to promote in-sourcing to bring jobs back
28. Ended previous policy on torture; the US now has a no torture policy and is in compliance with the Geneva Convention standards
29. . Launched Recovery.gov to track spending from the Recovery Act, an unprecedented step to provide transparency and accountability through technology.
30. Ended previous practice of protecting credit card companies; in place of it are new consumer protections from credit card industry’s predatory practices
31. Ended previous “stop-loss” policy that kept soldiers in Iraq/Afghanistan longer than their enlistment date
32. Energy producing plants must begin preparing to produce 15% of their energy from renewable sources
33. Established a National Performance Officer charged with saving the federal government money and making federal operations more efficient
34. Established a new cyber security office
35. Expanded the SCHIP program to cover health care for 4 million more children
36. Expanding vaccination programs
37. Families of fallen soldiers have expenses
38. . Provided the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) with more than $1.4 billion to improve services to America’s Veterans.
39. Federal support for stem-cell and new biomedical research
40. Funds for high-speed, broadband Internet access to K-12 schools
41. Responded with compassion and leadership to the earthquake in Haiti
42. Immediate and efficient response to the floods in North Dakota and other natural disasters
43. . Launched Business.gov – enabling conversation and online collaboration between small business owners, government representatives and industry experts in discussion forums relevant to starting and managing a business. Great for the economy.
44. Improved housing for military personnel
45. Improved conditions at Walter Reed Military Hospital and other military hospitals
46. Changed failing war strategy in Afghanistan.
47. Improving benefits for veterans
48. Increased infrastructure spending (roads, bridges, power plants…) after years of neglect
49. Donated his $1.4 million Nobel Prize to nonprofits.
50. Increasing opportunities in AmeriCorps program
51. Provided tax credits to first-time home buyers through the Worker, Homeownership, and Business Assistance Act of 2009 to revitalize the U.S. housing market.
52. Increasing pay and benefits for military personnel
53. Increasing student loans
54. Instituted a new policy on Cuba, allowing Cuban families to return “home” to visit loved ones
55. Cracked down on companies that deny sick pay, vacation and health insurance to workers by abusing the employee classification of independent contractor. Such companies also avoid paying Social Security, Medicare and unemployment insurance taxes for those workers.
56. Limited salaries of senior White House aides; cut to $100,000
57. Limits on lobbyists’ access to the White House
58. Protected 300,000 education jobs, such as teachers, principals, librarians, and counselors through the Recovery Act that would have otherwise been lost.
59. Limits on White House aides working for lobbyists after their tenure in the administration
60. Children’s Health Insurance Reauthorization Act on February 4, 2009, provides quality health care to 11 million kids – 4 million who were previously uninsured.
61. Lower drug costs for seniors
62. Making more loans available to small businesses
63. Many more press conferences and town halls and much more media access than previous administration
64. . Signed the Christopher and Dana Reeve Paralysis Act, the first piece of comprehensive legislation aimed at improving the lives of Americans living with paralysis
65. New Afghan War policy that limits aerial bombing and prioritizes aid, development of infrastructure, diplomacy, and good government practices by Afghans
66. Announced creation of a Joint Virtual Lifetime Electronic Record for members of the U.S. Armed Forces to improve quality of medical care.
67. New federal funding for science and research labs
68. New funds for school construction
69. Ordered all federal agencies to undertake a study and make recommendations for ways to cut spending
70. Ordered a review of all federal operations to identify and cut wasteful spending and practices
71. . Negotiated deal with Swiss banks to permit US government to gain access to records of tax evaders and criminals.
72. Phasing out the expensive F-22 war plane and other outdated weapons systems, which weren’t even used or needed in Iraq/Afghanistan
73. Reengaged in the agreements/talks on global warming and greenhouse gas emissions
74. Provided tax credit to workers thus cutting taxes for 95% of America's working families.
75. Reengaged in the treaties/agreements to protect the Antarctic
76. Removed restrictions on embryonic stem-cell research
77. . Helped reverse a downward spiral of the stock market. On January 19, 2009, the last day of President Bush's presidency, the Dow closed at 8,218.22. In February 2010, the Dow closed at 10,309.24
78. Renewed loan guarantees for Israel
79. Restarted the nuclear non-proliferation talks and building back up the nuclear inspection infrastructure/protocols
80. Provided attractive tax write-offs for those who buy hybrid automobiles.
81. Returned money authorized for refurbishment of White House offices and private living quarters
82. Sent envoys to Middle East and other parts of the world that had been neglected for years; reengaging in multilateral and bilateral talks and diplomacy
83. Unveiled a program on Earth Day 2009 to develop the renewable energy projects on the waters of our Outer Continental Shelf that produce electricity from wind, wave, and ocean currents. These regulations will enable, for the first time ever, the nation to tap into our ocean’s vast sustainable resources to generate clean energy in an environmentally sound and safe manner.
84. Signed national service legislation; expanded national youth service program
85. States are permitted to enact federal fuel efficiency standards above federal standards
86. Students struggling to make college loan payments can have their loans refinanced
87. Successful release of US captain held by Somali pirates; authorized the SEALS to do their job
88. The FDA is now regulating tobacco
89. Ended the previous stop-loss policy that kept soldiers in Iraq/Afghanistan longer than their enlistment date.
90. The missile defense program is being cut by $1.4 billion in 2010
91. The public can meet with federal housing insurers to refinance (the new plan can be completed in one day) a mortgage if they are having trouble paying
92. The “secret detention” facilities in Eastern Europe and elsewhere are being closed
93. US financial and banking rescue plan
94. US Navy increasing patrols off Somali coast
95. . Signed the Weapons Systems Acquisition Reform Act to stop fraud and wasteful spending in the defense procurement and contracting system.
96. Visited more countries and met with more world leaders than any president in his first six months in office
97. Improved relations with Iran
98. Improved U.S. policy on climate change
99. Set timetable for exiting Iraq (already started removing troops)
100. Improved relations with Russia
101. Improved relations with the Islamic World
102. Made progress towards greater cooperation on limiting nuclear proliferation
103. Economic stimulus plan has created jobs. (Unemployment rate decreasing)
104. Drastically slowed down the recession
105. Saved Wall Street
106. Passed the Lilly Ledbetter Act (equal work for equal pay) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lilly_Ledb ... ct_of_2009
107. Healthcare Reform
108. “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” repeal
Looks like you got me there! Unreal. I would love to meet these people that would wipe the floor with Obama. Again, I have no allegiance; I take an objective stance as best as I can, and form what I see, the Right is clearly showing their true colors: support the haves, screw the have nots. Everyone deserves a chance, not just the rich and the corporate. The Right is continuing the deranged tactics found in Reaganomics--and if you want to debate Reaganomics, I read books on Reaganomics for fun--and it has led to the destruction of the lower class (actually expanding it) and has led to the destruction of the Middle class. And before I get labeled in any incorrect way, it's not about spreading the wealth, it's about giving everyone an equal opportunity to succeed in life.
CH156378: nice list.
That is what I was trying to say! UN resolution is different than a single country deciding to invade another. The whole point of a UN resolution is to act quickly as a united force.
Ok, first of all, the Tax Foundation is a non-profit lobbyist group set up to make sure corporate taxes remain low. One of its main objectives is to get legislation passed at the federal level that would allow business-to-business taxes become tax-exempt for non-profit entities, especially hospitals. Such legislation would restrict States from being able to apply sales taxes to transactions between – for example – pharmaceutical products to hospitals. Its VP is the Chief tax person for Eli Lilly, yeah that global pharmaceutical corporation. Just like the push by States to repel Health Care. Being a Judge nowadays seems more on who the highest bidder is, than the law, go figure.
Entitlement programs, are you talking about those programs you pay your taxes into that are supposed to be there for you, if for any reason you become unable to provide for yourself or your family? Those programs that you pay your taxes into that are supposed to be there for you when you retire and need the benefits of Medicaid and Medicare. Are you talking about those programs you pay your taxes into that should be there to provide you with assistance if you should become unemployed? Are these the entitlement programs you’re speaking of, because the Republicans/Tea Party doesn’t want to do away with them, they simply want to privatize them so they can be opened to trading on the stock market.
Or maybe you’re talking about those subsidizing entitlement programs under the Farm Bill that pays millions of dollars in benefits for non-producing farm land. Maybe you’re talking about that subsidizing entitlement program that pays millions of dollars in benefits to the energy industries. Maybe you’re talking about those tax loopholes that allow American corporations to claim ‘foreign’ tax status with a simple PO Box # and telephone #. Did you know that the UAE is on track in becoming the main stay for providing American corporation a tax heaven?
I asked you --
What have the Republicans/Tea Party constructively accomplished. They do a lot of talking, but where’s the concrete results of their actions that have benefited the American public?
YOU GOT NOTHING!!!!
the republicans are short sighted in the sense that they would rather cut tax dollars from going into those entitlements because they think that THEY will never ever need them. that they will be able to work forever or have enough money invested to live on once they are unable to work. it is a nice thought, but the majority of those republican citizens, not the politicians, who believe like this will be in the exact same situation financially as most of the elderly in the us today. it is the whole "it is not going to happen to me" line of thinking. well guess what, it is going to happen to them. as medical costs such as medications and office visits and procedures, and the inevitable surgeries we undergo as we age continue to increase, the vast majority of these clowns who are so adamently against medicare, medicaid, and social security now will be thanking their lucky stars for the subsidies once they reach retirement age.
the funny thing is we are just bleeding money away on military adventures in the middle east. if the country had that money back in the cofers we would not even be in this situation where we would have to debate cutting things like these necessary entitlement programs.
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Who gives a crap about a tax rate when Exxon Mobile and the like don't pay any taxes.
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You do realize that when you raise the corporate tax rate, you encourage companies to move their headquarters abroad, right? I would totally be on board with raising or even maintaining our current tax rates on corporations if the all companies could not leave the US. The reality is we live in a globalized world where companies can shift to another country fairly easily (much, much easier than in the past). You can't keep companies here. They can move and their loyalty is not to the U.S., it's to maximizing shareholder wealth. Would they like to stay? Sure. But, will they stay if we double their tax costs? No.
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