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Kel Varnsen wrote:

I don't think they are automatically recognized. Canadian schools are acredited by the Canadian Council of Professional Engineers. I remember my school had to go through the reacredition process and it was pretty indepth. They actually send people out go through the course requirements for all the classes, and some students even have to submit their notes for review. It looks like for foriegn schools it is on a case by case basis and you have to submit detailed records of the program you took including transcripts and a syllabus for review (translated into english if required). Once those have been reviewed you may or may not have to take technical tests as required.

http://www.peo.on.ca/registration/Immig.html

I'm reasonably familiar with the painful nature of university program accreditation processes (not in engineering though, professional schools are a different thing). Student transcripts usually need some sort of rosetta stone with them...thanks again for the info.

lukin2006

polaris_x wrote:

lukin2006 wrote:

I just believe the country is changing, if Windsor can vote in a fiscally conservative mayor, that might be a big sign things have changed.

i read a little more on your mayor after you mentioned him ... apparently, he is the highest paid mayor in ontario or was it the country and that he's managed to eliminate the need for tax increases by gutting social services ... now, this is all heresay and i don't know anyone who lives in windsor personally ... just read it ...

but this is my point ... on paper - it sounds great to bring in a guy who's gonna lower taxes and eliminate the debt ... but there is a cost to everything ... i'll use toronto as an example ... yes, we just elected this dufus for a mayor and guess what ... he's appointed his friends to top paying jobs, he's entered into agreements that is gonna cost the city millions of dollars and what that means is he's gonna have to cut spending ... spending to say parks and rec ... so, after school programs are shut down ... and what happens when those programs get shut down with youth? ... everything has consequences ...

the right wing side of the political spectrum does not believe in the social infrastructure and is focused on the me-first approach ... look at what's going on in the states ... harris left us with a defecit while governing in economically strong times, harper has us in a defecit ... look at bush down south ... these guys use the premise of lower taxes and all that jazz but all they end up doing is slashing spending on vital programs and STILL run defecits ...

My point is that a city like Windsor that used to be pretty far on the left has changed drastically might be a sign that Canada is changing, for better or worse I don't know. I don't really believe Mayor Francis gutted to much, yes he did close city run day cares after the strike, but that was because the vast majority of the clientele found other facilities and did not return, he contracted out garbage, nobody lost their job, they were transferred to other departments, under his leadership they built a beautiful hockey rink with a main bowl for the OHL Spitfires with several community rinks attached to it, every year the city roads look so much better, major improvements every year, are conducting a study on the feasibility of building an aquatic centre and so much more has been done, is he perfect no, but he's my type of politician and when I say fiscally conservative I don't means he's affiliated with the conservatives. He works his tail off to attract new business's and has got the economy more diversified. Is he highly paid yes, does do a good job I think so, I also think he serves his constituents better than any federal or provincial politician, now if you want to talk about overpaid, look at the provincial politicians and federal MP's, heck Layton and Chow expensed the taxpayers for a million last year so for the less than 200 grand Windsor pays Francis their getting good bang for their buck,he's my type of politician and when I say fiscally conservative I don't means he's affiliated with the conservatives. I don't think he's ever said what party he aligns himself with.

The tax thing Windsor had to do, people were moving out to county where the taxes are lower.

As far as deficits and debt, I'm absolutely against them at all cost, we need balanced budget legislation both federally and provincially with penalties attached to them for violating the law.

People in this country love to talk about democracy, you want democracy then attach referendums to all major issues at election time.

As for Harris I don't really want to go there, but I'll say this he inherited a huge deficit from Rae and Rae broke the law regarding union contracts, I'm not a big supporter of unions, but they are legal and those contracts were negotiated in good faith. I can't speak for every community regarding the Rae years, but the community I used to live in had 2 hospitals that a lot of beds were shut down, under Harris they closed 1 hospital and almost doubled the size of the existing hospital and now share services between the 2 hospitals therefor in theory making it more efficient. If this is what they mean by closing hospitals then yes a hospital did close, but the full storey is the existing one doubled in size. I'm not going to look up every community that had hospital close and see why. I do believe with the advancement medical people stays in hospital are much shorter than they used to be, therefor probably needing less beds. We could debate back and forth for hours about hospitals, school closure's and what not.

I thought it was Earnie Eaves who left the 5 billion deficit, either way I'm against deficits whoever it is.

But that deficit he left sure seems rather small now, and this deficit is totally on McSquinty and his faithful sidekick.

polaris_x

Rae took power during our last recession ... for sure there was going to be a defecit ... Harris governed during an economic boom and yeah ... he bailed early because he got what he wanted out of it and didn't want the tag of losing an election and having his name on the big hole ...

in any case ... what may look good on paper now will have other consequences ... some might be ok and some might not ... it's important to look at the hole picture ...

Kel Varnsen

lukin2006 wrote:

As far as deficits and debt, I'm absolutely against them at all cost, we need balanced budget legislation both federally and provincially with penalties attached to them for violating the law.

People in this country love to talk about democracy, you want democracy then attach referendums to all major issues at election time.

I am not sure how more referendums and ballot budgets would work together. Isn't that the problem that California is having where any voted on ballot imitative basically has to be treated as a binding law. So of course if some referendum for tax cutting or some expensive program makes it to the ballot box, people are going to vote for it, then the government is stuck implementing it, even if they can’t afford it.

lukin2006

polaris_x wrote:

Rae took power during our last recession ... for sure there was going to be a defecit ... Harris governed during an economic boom and yeah ... he bailed early because he got what he wanted out of it and didn't want the tag of losing an election and having his name on the big hole ...

in any case ... what may look good on paper now will have other consequences ... some might be ok and some might not ... it's important to look at the hole picture ...

Like I said on paper a hospital closed, but in reality 1 doubled and other benefits came from that, like before they used to have take patients from 1 hospital to another for test, they no longer have to do that its all under one roof, the community were the winners and patients of that hospitals. Sure closed under Harris, I work for a school board and we had many schools operating at less than 50% capacity, the kids are the losers in an environment like that, schools with low enrolment can not offer the variety of programs. You read and heard about all the griping from the teacher unions about Harris, it had nothing to do with kids, it was about their pay and jobs.

Once you've seen the inner workings of the public sector unions, you soon realize the public matters little.

polaris_x

lukin2006 wrote:

Once you've seen the inner workings of the public sector unions, you soon realize the public matters little.

oh yeah ... i have illusions about unions on a whole - as stated earlier ... i know enough people that work for the public sector to know ...

lukin2006

Kel Varnsen wrote:

lukin2006 wrote:

As far as deficits and debt, I'm absolutely against them at all cost, we need balanced budget legislation both federally and provincially with penalties attached to them for violating the law.

People in this country love to talk about democracy, you want democracy then attach referendums to all major issues at election time.

I am not sure how more referendums and ballot budgets would work together. Isn't that the problem that California is having where any voted on ballot imitative basically has to be treated as a binding law. So of course if some referendum for tax cutting or some expensive program makes it to the ballot box, people are going to vote for it, then the government is stuck implementing it, even if they can’t afford it.

We don't have to do it like California, we can study how others do it, but we can come with a made in Canada solution. I am tired of this idea of voting every 4 years and thats the only say, somethings not right about that.

Take Ontario 8 years ago McSquinty was elected and said he would not raise taxes, what did he do, brought in a health tax, brought in the HST, these issues should have been ballot box issues and continually lied for 8 years.

lukin2006

polaris_x wrote:

lukin2006 wrote:

Once you've seen the inner workings of the public sector unions, you soon realize the public matters little.

oh yeah ... i have illusions about unions on a whole - as stated earlier ... i know enough people that work for the public sector to know ...

Most are worried about their do, we all do, but under Harris no one where I worked lost their job and they were allowed to negotiate contracts, it was up to the Board of Education and them to get an agreement. Just from last year to this year our board has a decline of 600 kids, thats 1 school, these are issue that the current government are just ignoring but by failing to take action or forcing the boards to take action ultimately the kids suffer from the lack of a variety of programs.

One of the communities where I work the high school is operating at 300 kids, they've poured a pile a money in the school over the last several years as well as the elementary school, I had always said they should have built a brand new joint elementary/high school on the same property and they could share resources like library/computer labs/gymnasiums. The high school is over 60 years old and under the current government plan
of school renewal they are just dumping money into an old inefficient building that was never meant to be still around.

One of the best things Harris did, and its never talked about is the removal of school boards right to raise taxes, and now every student is funded equally no matter if they went to the poorest school board or the richest school board.

As far as I'm concerned the current government will do whatever it takes to keep the public sector unions happy, however I think McSquinty will shaft them and freeze all public sector wages if re elected, as will Hudak, they probably have no choice.

polaris_x

don't get me started on harris ... we're still paying for it to this day ... and for the record, i'm no mcguinty fan either ..

Kel Varnsen

lukin2006 wrote:

Kel Varnsen wrote:

lukin2006 wrote:

As far as deficits and debt, I'm absolutely against them at all cost, we need balanced budget legislation both federally and provincially with penalties attached to them for violating the law.

People in this country love to talk about democracy, you want democracy then attach referendums to all major issues at election time.

I am not sure how more referendums and ballot budgets would work together. Isn't that the problem that California is having where any voted on ballot imitative basically has to be treated as a binding law. So of course if some referendum for tax cutting or some expensive program makes it to the ballot box, people are going to vote for it, then the government is stuck implementing it, even if they can’t afford it.

We don't have to do it like California, we can study how others do it, but we can come with a made in Canada solution. I am tired of this idea of voting every 4 years and thats the only say, somethings not right about that.

Take Ontario 8 years ago McSquinty was elected and said he would not raise taxes, what did he do, brought in a health tax, brought in the HST, these issues should have been ballot box issues and continually lied for 8 years.

I just see that being painful and more slow moving then regular government. I mean lets face it sometimes governments legitimatly have to do things that people don't like. Sometimes they have to raise certain taxes or cut programs or pass laws for the good of society. But if those kind of things take the a majority of the population to vote for them, how are they going to pass.

lukin2006

polaris_x wrote:

don't get me started on harris ... we're still paying for it to this day ... and for the record, i'm no mcguinty fan either ..

Of course your not going to like Harris, you have already labeled yourself left. I'm not paying for his policies and I work in the public service and I supported him then and I went several years without much economic improvement in wages or benefits, but I did keep my job and taxes were lowered and I saw no one lose their job where I'm at. So compared to a lot of people I consider myself lucky and fortunate.

I know I will be paying for McSquinty's policies, already are, my hydro's more, groceries are more gas is 8% more just from the HST, every time I get my car serviced, or need a service thats 8% more, I pay a lovely health tax that just goes into general coffers, never proven that the money actually goes to health care.

The only reason McSquinty hasn't bailed is he knows the vast majority of the public sector workers will blindly support him because he has made sure that they are well taken care of.

Will they be well taken care of after the next election, I really don't see the liberals getting back in, but one never knows.

Truth be known probably the NDP leader is the best choice for premier, but her chance's aren't good.

polaris_x

again ... harris governed in a time of economic boom ... where in the world hasn't everything gone up!?? ...

as for the hst!?? ... how many things did you pay for before that didn't have pst?

lukin2006

polaris_x wrote:

again ... harris governed in a time of economic boom ... where in the world hasn't everything gone up!?? ...

as for the hst!?? ... how many things did you pay for before that didn't have pst?

I just told you services, services did not have the pst...the most expensive part of repairing a car is labour, that is now 8% more, concert tickets, hockey tickets...etc. Sorry not all of us want to be taxed to the grave to pay for every whim.

lukin2006

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-in ... le1974824/

Harper’s TFSA promise is what voters want to hear

polaris_x

lukin2006 wrote:

I just told you services, services did not have the pst...the most expensive part of repairing a car is labour, that is now 8% more, concert tickets, hockey tickets...etc. Sorry not all of us want to be taxed to the grave to pay for every whim.

again ... it comes to this ... if you are strictly gonna focus on taxes ... then there really isn't a discussion ... it really comes down to what is an appropriate amount of tax for the appropriate amount of services ...

sure, harris cut taxes just like harper ... but guess what - that means all the social programs have to be cut ... it's all interconnected ... do you want to live in the US where they tax less but also provide way less?

also - things like hockey tickets and movie tickets were subject to entertainment taxes that you didn't necessarily know about ... it just got rolled up into one number ... and those taxes were actually at 10% ... so, the number actually dropped ...

polaris_x

lukin2006 wrote:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-investor/personal-finance/rob-carrick/harpers-tfsa-promise-is-what-voters-want-to-hear/article1974824/

Harper’s TFSA promise is what voters want to hear

with the subtext ... but is it what they need ...

polaris_x

http://greenparty.ca/platform2011

polaris_x

and this is why Harper can't be trusted ...

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canadav ... eally.html

lukin2006

polaris_x wrote:

http://greenparty.ca/platform2011

I read their platform and was pleasantly surprised. Now how can I be sure that it would implemented? Let me explain, it's easy to promise the moon when you know you will not form the next government.

lukin2006

polaris_x wrote:

lukin2006 wrote:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-investor/personal-finance/rob-carrick/harpers-tfsa-promise-is-what-voters-want-to-hear/article1974824/

Harper’s TFSA promise is what voters want to hear

with the subtext ... but is it what they need ...

Excellent article on TFSA's, basically the info my financial advisor told me.

Tax break works for all incomes
http://www.financialpost.com/personal-f ... story.html