Politics and Dating.

bennett13

EmBleve wrote:

Gob wrote:

The conservatives stick with hunting and nascar hobbies. No offense to conservatives, I'm describing the conservatives on my dad's side of the family, love them, but they aren't exactly the smartest bunch.

I realize that this is a generalization and a stereotype, but I believe that it is based on surroundings and area also. In my neck of the woods, so to say, I find this to be somewhat accurate (merely based on what I have seen in my little bitty life!!--not a sweeping generalization). That said, it just depends on the person, so I can't really say that, either. My parents are conservatives, and they're not into hunting or nascar, nor are they '[white] trash'.
Politics and dating: hard to say. Someone mentioned being socially conservative vs. liberal....I think that would be more indicative of compatibility than would political beliefs. But, I guess love could conquer such differences, if each party is willing to compromise.

Why all the hate for hunters? You folks do know that a majority of hunters are big on wildlife conservation, right?

Chip McFlennigan

I dated a creationist once.

The sex was great. We'd often debate about the merits of believing an invisible republican bodybuilder who was his own son who rode dinosaurs to sermons where he'd let blind people see and get fucked up on wine.

She seemed to think it was a totally plausible idea, and that it was inspirational.

I used to tell her it was fucking retarded.

Then, like I said, the sex was great.

Chip McFlennigan

he still stands wrote:

I'm becoming more closed-minded as I get older.

I just cannot imagine dating someone who socially conservative (abortion, human rights, big business, drugs, etc).

Politically conservative is probably the same. Certainly, if they're into Beck, Limbaugh, Palin, Perry, or Bachmann.. it ain't gonna work. If they're a republican but more of a Ron Paul/Gary Johnson/WEST COAST republican... it definitely could work. It's the whole stance of the majority of republicans nowadays that "I should be able to tell you what to do with your personal/social life and issues even if they don't effect me directly" that I take severe issue with.

Thing is... I'm such a weirdo politically and otherwise that I don't think anyone will have ME! When I tell people I'm a minarchist/sympathetic libertarian and on bad days a discordian ANARCHIST... they run away because they think I'm going to start burning down buildings or some shit.

Does . . . not . . . compute.

he still stands

johnny america wrote:

he still stands wrote:

I'm becoming more closed-minded as I get older.

I just cannot imagine dating someone who socially conservative (abortion, human rights, big business, drugs, etc).

Politically conservative is probably the same. Certainly, if they're into Beck, Limbaugh, Palin, Perry, or Bachmann.. it ain't gonna work. If they're a republican but more of a Ron Paul/Gary Johnson/WEST COAST republican... it definitely could work. It's the whole stance of the majority of republicans nowadays that "I should be able to tell you what to do with your personal/social life and issues even if they don't effect me directly" that I take severe issue with.

Thing is... I'm such a weirdo politically and otherwise that I don't think anyone will have ME! When I tell people I'm a minarchist/sympathetic libertarian and on bad days a discordian ANARCHIST... they run away because they think I'm going to start burning down buildings or some shit.

Does . . . not . . . compute.

Sure.... it .... does. Paul/Johnson/"west coast" republicans advocate the free market instead of government propping up business... like when they allowed those ridiculous financing agreements that resulted in all the bad mortgages, or when the government bailed out the banks, car industries, or farm subsidies, or protectionist trade measures that only serve to make US companies more profitable, etc etc etc.

Or do you have something else that you were trying to say, but communicated so ineffectively as to embarass yourself?

casualfan

MOKELE MBEMBE wrote:

Here's more of a just for fun topic:

How many of you politically opinionated people would consider dating someone that held political opinions that were severely in conflict with your own? Have you ever dated someone that had a generally different political outlook? How did it work out?

be it politics, religion, or dietary practices it matters to the degree that it is important to you. If you believe in the right to bear arms and have an arsenal of weapons but she thinks guns are oppressive tools of the ruling class, not gonna work. You have to know what you believe and what it means to you. I could live with a social liberal but put a nanny state democrat in my house and I might smother her with a pillow while she sleeps, after a few years. And no Love does not conqure all... it takes a whole lot more work than that. Good luck in what ever choice you make!

Byrnzie

MOKELE MBEMBE wrote:

Here's more of a just for fun topic:

How many of you politically opinionated people would consider dating someone that held political opinions that were severely in conflict with your own? Have you ever dated someone that had a generally different political outlook? How did it work out?

It would depend on how sexy she is and on how gobby she is. If she was damn hot then I'd keep it going until I got bored enough and fed up with her.
Though if she kept gobbing off about how much she loved God and Jesus and the Republicans and Israel then I'd have no choice but to tell her what an idiot she is and to get the fuck away from me.

your move now

I think it's a respect issue. Differing opinions can lead to a lot of fun as long as you respect each others reasoning and rationality. That said I've met a lot of people with strong opinions very different from my own whose reasoning doesn't compute with my logic. I certainly could never date a social conservative, or probably any sort of conservative in a serious sense. In the same way I couldn't be with a religious fanatic (any religon) and would probably struggle with someone who had no real political or social beliefs. In my experience, except when ridiculously smashed (although even then a little bit!) when lack of respect for someones' beliefs and how they reached them is a massive turn off

Nothingman54

I surround myself with like minded people.

MG79478

he still stands wrote:

drugs; no more piss police. It's my body and I can do with it what I please.
abortion; it's a woman's choice... not the government's.
religion; we need to stop the christian rhetoric and moralic acid handed down from on high.
individual expression/tolerance; one should not be afraid of the police state's tyranny if you're not doing harm to anyone else.
etc etc

Drugs... people need to be fit for duty. Depending on your job, you affect other people. Plus you’re more likely to be a drag on society if you partake in substance abuse. It’s all about how your decisions affect others. It is your body, but your decisions can impact others. I do realize that not everyone who uses drugs is a drag on society.

Abortion... women have a choice, whether or not to engage in an activity that can result in pregnancy. Abortion is really a second choice for those who did not take personal responsibility. I know plenty of people who have adopted, and I know how difficult and expensive it was.

Religion... The US is a Christian nation founded on Christian values. Separation of Church and State was meant to stop there from being an official church of the United States, not to remove all religion from government. Ironically, removal of all religion from government as the left is trying, actually by default makes atheism the official religion, which obviously violates the separation of Church and State, and is intolerant to all other religions.

Individual expression/tolerance… This one is easy. Obama has taken this to new lows. No president in history has been so aggressive towards those who speak out. Then there is the “fairness doctrine” that aims to crush free speech.

he still stands wrote:

Sure.... it .... does. Paul/Johnson/"west coast" republicans advocate the free market instead of government propping up business... like when they allowed those ridiculous financing agreements that resulted in all the bad mortgages, or when the government bailed out the banks, car industries, or farm subsidies, or protectionist trade measures that only serve to make US companies more profitable, etc etc etc.

I'm confused because don’t most conservatives believe in the free market versus the liberal view of government intervention? Maybe I’m just interpreting your post wrong, and if so I apologize. I can’t tell if you are trying to blame the bad mortgages on the Republicans or just government in general. I’m assuming just government, because that would be the first time I have ever heard the bad mortgages blamed on the Republicans.

In general though, I do think we are getting off topic!

your move now

Just on the abortion and religion issues...
Abortion: in various states of Australia the abortion law differ from state to state. Do you believe in abortion if the woman is raped? That woman is not looking at a second option and has not made a choice. However if you do believe she can have one then surely you believe that a foetus isn't a baby and hence where is the problem with the termination? And don't you think there are enough unwanted and uncared for children in the world? What kid wants parents that don't want it?
Religon: I'm pretty sure that Freedom of Religon and also Athieism (not sure that's a world but you get my drift is an important part of the US. By using christianity as a basis in government surely that undermines all the other religons more than having an athiest base.

Chip McFlennigan

he still stands wrote:

johnny america wrote:

he still stands wrote:

I'm becoming more closed-minded as I get older.

I just cannot imagine dating someone who socially conservative (abortion, human rights, big business, drugs, etc).

Politically conservative is probably the same. Certainly, if they're into Beck, Limbaugh, Palin, Perry, or Bachmann.. it ain't gonna work. If they're a republican but more of a Ron Paul/Gary Johnson/WEST COAST republican... it definitely could work. It's the whole stance of the majority of republicans nowadays that "I should be able to tell you what to do with your personal/social life and issues even if they don't effect me directly" that I take severe issue with.

Thing is... I'm such a weirdo politically and otherwise that I don't think anyone will have ME! When I tell people I'm a minarchist/sympathetic libertarian and on bad days a discordian ANARCHIST... they run away because they think I'm going to start burning down buildings or some shit.

Does . . . not . . . compute.

Sure.... it .... does. Paul/Johnson/"west coast" republicans advocate the free market instead of government propping up business... like when they allowed those ridiculous financing agreements that resulted in all the bad mortgages, or when the government bailed out the banks, car industries, or farm subsidies, or protectionist trade measures that only serve to make US companies more profitable, etc etc etc.

Or do you have something else that you were trying to say, but communicated so ineffectively as to embarass yourself?

Just odd that you claim to be for individual rights over big business, yet, you claim to be cool with Ron Paul, who is totally pro corporation. I don't know so much about Gary Johnson, but, supporting Ron Paul means you are against bargaining rights for the "little guy," as well as against privacy, as Paul is a supporter of businesses gaining access to you and your family's medical records. The info is out there, man.

cincybearcat

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

And Ive never met a conservative who was highly educated or even that bright. Most of them were pretty dense... Especially the ones who got good marks in school by just memorizing what they were told and not questioning it, like conservatives tend to do. Conservatives don't like independent thought, it's why we call them "conservative."

Unbelievable. Just unbelievable.

catefrances

Byrnzie wrote:

MOKELE MBEMBE wrote:

Here's more of a just for fun topic:

How many of you politically opinionated people would consider dating someone that held political opinions that were severely in conflict with your own? Have you ever dated someone that had a generally different political outlook? How did it work out?

It would depend on how sexy she is and on how gobby she is. If she was damn hot then I'd keep it going until I got bored enough and fed up with her.
Though if she kept gobbing off about how much she loved God and Jesus and the Republicans and Israel then I'd have no choice but to tell her what an idiot she is and to get the fuck away from me.

so as long as she puts out and keeps her mouth shut youll tolerate her? pure class steve, pure class. 8-)

Byrnzie

catefrances wrote:

so as long as she puts out and keeps her mouth shut youll tolerate her? pure class steve, pure class. 8-)

Basically, yes. If I happened to end up dating a right-wing flag sucker then I'd use her for sex then drop her like a bad habit.

gimmesometruth27

i couldn't date a woman with opposite views as me. i probably could not even use them for sex, because women like ann coulter disgust me...i think if i was forced to have sex with a woman like ann coulter i would not be able to because i would be too repulsed to get it up...

catefrances

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

i couldn't date a woman with opposite views as me. i probably could not even use them for sex, because women like ann coulter disgust me...i think if i was forced to have sex with a woman like ann coulter i would not be able to because i would be too repulsed to get it up...

damn i guess i better toss that blonde wig then.

catefrances

Byrnzie wrote:

catefrances wrote:

so as long as she puts out and keeps her mouth shut youll tolerate her? pure class steve, pure class. 8-)

Basically, yes. If I happened to end up dating a right-wing flag sucker then I'd use her for sex then drop her like a bad habit.

lordy the worst image just popped into my head. i think i need sleep.

EmBleve

bennett13 wrote:

EmBleve wrote:

I realize that this is a generalization and a stereotype, but I believe that it is based on surroundings and area also. In my neck of the woods, so to say, I find this to be somewhat accurate (merely based on what I have seen in my little bitty life!!--not a sweeping generalization). That said, it just depends on the person, so I can't really say that, either. My parents are conservatives, and they're not into hunting or nascar, nor are they '[white] trash'.
Politics and dating: hard to say. Someone mentioned being socially conservative vs. liberal....I think that would be more indicative of compatibility than would political beliefs. But, I guess love could conquer such differences, if each party is willing to compromise.

Why all the hate for hunters? You folks do know that a majority of hunters are big on wildlife conservation, right?

I wasn't expressing hatred for hunters...yes, I've heard the rationale that it controls the population. I don't support it, but I can see the point. I just thought that Gob's observation was interesting. Hunting for sport is big around where I live and grew up, and I can honestly say that every single person whom I have ever known to hunt leans to the right, which I guess makes sense.

Chip McFlennigan

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

i couldn't date a woman with opposite views as me. i probably could not even use them for sex, because women like ann coulter disgust me...i think if i was forced to have sex with a woman like ann coulter i would not be able to because i would be too repulsed to get it up...

I couldn't date a woman with views, period.

Great idea: let's start letting them think for themselves! That'll snowball into them wanting jobs, equality, rights. Eventually, they won't even have dinner waiting for me when I walk through the door!

What a horrible world that would be.

Jeanwah

There would have to be some serious chemistry involved, if there was no political common ground. When there's fire, you do what you have to do to keep the relationship, and those relationships are seriously hard to come by. Otherwise, my answer would be no, I wouldn't be able to handle an extreme opposite political view from mine, unless it was just for the sex only, and even then it would be temporary!