my wife is completly opposite. more ofa fence sitter but she listens to my thoughts and offers good argument .
its just polotics . dosnt effect oour daily life
we are adults
And I didn't know Newt had any defenders left, gay or not.
oh man... some of the most obvious right-wing scum bag hypocrites have people who'd support them if they were advocating killing everyone's first born son to keep from having to raise taxes on trillionaires.
You sound bitter at the world....
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Well and anyone who can read a pie chart knows that per capita, it's usually people from the red states who take more welfare and UI. But hey, who's counting?
I know tons of white trash conservatives and very successful, wealthy liberals. Go figure. Liberals are usually better at thinking out of the box and make good entrepreneurs.. The conservatives stick with hunting and nascar hobbies. No offense to conservatives, I'm describing the conservatives on my dad's side of the family, love them, but they aren't exactly the smartest bunch.
Wow, this is really distorting the issue. First off, one can't assume it is welfare and UI, because that is not the case. Everything I have ever seen is "receive" vs. "contribute". The states that contribute more are going to be the most densely populated, and coincidentally enough they are mostly blue states. It's not a black and white issue by any means. Think about farmers in a red state, they receive from the government, and everyone benefits, not just that red state. If an army base is in a state, are they counting the funding it receives? Too many complexities in this issue to draw any conclusions.
Funny, because all the conservatives I know are wealthy and highly educated. All the liberals I know are uneducated trash (not just white, trash knows no color) and addicted to government. I've never met a liberal entrepreneur. While I do know a few conservatives that like to hunt, I know an equal amount of liberals who do too. I don't anyone who likes NASCAR, nice stereotype though. I have grandparents who are hardcore liberals that believe everything they hear on CNN, they even will argue that historical facts are wrong. For example, they believe that a Republican introduced social security. Their best argument against Bush was that they saw a picture where he looked like a monkey. No offense to liberals, I'm describing the liberals on my dad's side of the family, love them, but they aren't exactly the smartest bunch.
I just cannot imagine dating someone who socially conservative (abortion, human rights, big business, drugs, etc).
Politically conservative is probably the same. Certainly, if they're into Beck, Limbaugh, Palin, Perry, or Bachmann.. it ain't gonna work. If they're a republican but more of a Ron Paul/Gary Johnson/WEST COAST republican... it definitely could work. It's the whole stance of the majority of republicans nowadays that "I should be able to tell you what to do with your personal/social life and issues even if they don't effect me directly" that I take severe issue with.
Thing is... I'm such a weirdo politically and otherwise that I don't think anyone will have ME! When I tell people I'm a minarchist/sympathetic libertarian and on bad days a discordian ANARCHIST... they run away because they think I'm going to start burning down buildings or some shit.
Everything not forbidden is compulsory and eveything not compulsory is forbidden. You are free... free to do what the government says you can do.
The conservatives stick with hunting and nascar hobbies. No offense to conservatives, I'm describing the conservatives on my dad's side of the family, love them, but they aren't exactly the smartest bunch.
I realize that this is a generalization and a stereotype, but I believe that it is based on surroundings and area also. In my neck of the woods, so to say, I find this to be somewhat accurate (merely based on what I have seen in my little bitty life!!--not a sweeping generalization). That said, it just depends on the person, so I can't really say that, either. My parents are conservatives, and they're not into hunting or nascar, nor are they '[white] trash'.
Politics and dating: hard to say. Someone mentioned being socially conservative vs. liberal....I think that would be more indicative of compatibility than would political beliefs. But, I guess love could conquer such differences, if each party is willing to compromise.
Funny how when data doesn't support someones view, there are too many "complexities" in the issue to draw conclusions. But, when bogus data supports a view, it's 100% valid.
Regarding the dating issue, most conservatives I know lack compassion and the ability to empathize with others. They also tend to believe that behavior change happens through shaming and punishment, and also believe heavily in a person's individuality and downplay our interdependence. All of these values seem likely to play out in a dating relationship.
Funny, because all the conservatives I know are wealthy and highly educated. All the liberals I know are uneducated trash (not just white, trash knows no color) and addicted to government. I've never met a liberal entrepreneur. While I do know a few conservatives that like to hunt, I know an equal amount of liberals who do too. I don't anyone who likes NASCAR, nice stereotype though. I have grandparents who are hardcore liberals that believe everything they hear on CNN, they even will argue that historical facts are wrong. For example, they believe that a Republican introduced social security. Their best argument against Bush was that they saw a picture where he looked like a monkey. No offense to liberals, I'm describing the liberals on my dad's side of the family, love them, but they aren't exactly the smartest bunch.
Hm.
Interesting.
Guess you've never heard of Steve Jobs or a David Geffen or Rachel Maddow? They're all pretty rich, educated and entrepreneurial. And I know of more old farts who parrot out of absurd lies of Glenn Beck and Bill O'Reily and the totally false crap they hear on Fox "news."
And Ive never met a conservative who was highly educated or even that bright. Most of them were pretty dense... Especially the ones who got good marks in school by just memorizing what they were told and not questioning it, like conservatives tend to do. Conservatives don't like independent thought, it's why we call them "conservative."
It's the whole stance of the majority of republicans nowadays that "I should be able to tell you what to do with your personal/social life and issues even if they don't effect me directly" that I take severe issue with.
Which is odd because that one of the reasons I lean right. As a conservative, I want less of the government nanny state telling me what to do with my personal/social life.
Perception versus reality is a funny thing. Take for example social programs, liberals would incorrectly argue that they are there to help people. It's just an interesting side effect that the special interest groups that most social programs cater towards are their core voter base. Conservatives understand that if you give people too many handouts, they won't help themselves. As the metaphor goes… If you really want to help someone, teach him how to fish, don't give him a fish.
Guess you've never heard of Steve Jobs or a David Geffen or Rachel Maddow? They're all pretty rich, educated and entrepreneurial. And I know of more old farts who parrot out of absurd lies of Glenn Beck and Bill O'Reily and the totally false crap they hear on Fox "news."
I wouldn't consider Steve Jobs and David Geffen educated, neither graduated from college. Honestly you have no idea what their politics are. Think about it, if you were rich and wanted people to like you. Wouldn’t you publicly support the party that the ignorant masses have been brainwashed to believe are “for the people”. Even if they donate money to publicly support them, they probably make it back 10 fold in profit. It’s like the lead singer who says “nobody rocks like Topeka”, to get crowd support. I bet most cities rock more than Topeka.
I've actually have never heard of Rachel Maddow, but I would say it is pretty clear reading her bio that she has her own special interest agenda. She has definitely obtained a great deal of education, not that I would consider it a very difficult field of study.
And Ive never met a conservative who was highly educated or even that bright. Most of them were pretty dense... Especially the ones who got good marks in school by just memorizing what they were told and not questioning it, like conservatives tend to do. Conservatives don't like independent thought, it's why we call them "conservative."
It’s ironic that you judge the intelligence of others in your incorrectly punctuated post. Obama getting elected completely trashes your theory. If liberals actually were such great independent thinkers and questioned things, he never would have sniffed office! People basically bought exactly what they were sold on TV. They didn’t have any independent thoughts on his questionable background and associations, or his inexperience.
Maybe I should have questioned the state capitals instead of just memorizing them? You know what… I’m convinced… Obama is a GREAT president, and the capital of Kansas is Wichita… forget that Topeka shit!
It's the whole stance of the majority of republicans nowadays that "I should be able to tell you what to do with your personal/social life and issues even if they don't effect me directly" that I take severe issue with.
Which is odd because that one of the reasons I lean right. As a conservative, I want less of the government nanny state telling me what to do with my personal/social life.
Perception versus reality is a funny thing. Take for example social programs, liberals would incorrectly argue that they are there to help people. It's just an interesting side effect that the special interest groups that most social programs cater towards are their core voter base. Conservatives understand that if you give people too many handouts, they won't help themselves. As the metaphor goes… If you really want to help someone, teach him how to fish, don't give him a fish.
Well, I won't get into social programs because it is another issue altogether.
What I mean by "I (they/republicans) should be able to tell you what to do with your personal/social life and issues even if they don't effect me directly" is, like I said, social issues;
drugs; no more piss police. It's my body and I can do with it what I please.
abortion; it's a woman's choice... not the government's.
religion; we need to stop the christian rhetoric and moralic acid handed down from on high.
individual expression/tolerance; one should not be afraid of the police state's tyranny if you're not doing harm to anyone else.
etc etc
Going back to the roots of the conservative political party and republicans, they believed this too. These were classical liberal doctrines that are now viewed as fringe elements of the liberatrian mantra. Even the tea party and other groups that see themselves as "traditional conservatives" cannot fathom these ideas.
Everything not forbidden is compulsory and eveything not compulsory is forbidden. You are free... free to do what the government says you can do.
Well and anyone who can read a pie chart knows that per capita, it's usually people from the red states who take more welfare and UI. But hey, who's counting?
I know tons of white trash conservatives and very successful, wealthy liberals. Go figure. Liberals are usually better at thinking out of the box and make good entrepreneurs.. The conservatives stick with hunting and nascar hobbies. No offense to conservatives, I'm describing the conservatives on my dad's side of the family, love them, but they aren't exactly the smartest bunch.
Man, this place is priceless. People get all upset over a over generalization (that really seemed to be a joke) and then fill the board with their outrage and there over-generalizations of the "other side".
The conservatives stick with hunting and nascar hobbies. No offense to conservatives, I'm describing the conservatives on my dad's side of the family, love them, but they aren't exactly the smartest bunch.
I realize that this is a generalization and a stereotype, but I believe that it is based on surroundings and area also. In my neck of the woods, so to say, I find this to be somewhat accurate (merely based on what I have seen in my little bitty life!!--not a sweeping generalization). That said, it just depends on the person, so I can't really say that, either. My parents are conservatives, and they're not into hunting or nascar, nor are they '[white] trash'.
Politics and dating: hard to say. Someone mentioned being socially conservative vs. liberal....I think that would be more indicative of compatibility than would political beliefs. But, I guess love could conquer such differences, if each party is willing to compromise.
Why all the hate for hunters? You folks do know that a majority of hunters are big on wildlife conservation, right?
The sex was great. We'd often debate about the merits of believing an invisible republican bodybuilder who was his own son who rode dinosaurs to sermons where he'd let blind people see and get fucked up on wine.
She seemed to think it was a totally plausible idea, and that it was inspirational.
I just cannot imagine dating someone who socially conservative (abortion, human rights, big business, drugs, etc).
Politically conservative is probably the same. Certainly, if they're into Beck, Limbaugh, Palin, Perry, or Bachmann.. it ain't gonna work. If they're a republican but more of a Ron Paul/Gary Johnson/WEST COAST republican... it definitely could work. It's the whole stance of the majority of republicans nowadays that "I should be able to tell you what to do with your personal/social life and issues even if they don't effect me directly" that I take severe issue with.
Thing is... I'm such a weirdo politically and otherwise that I don't think anyone will have ME! When I tell people I'm a minarchist/sympathetic libertarian and on bad days a discordian ANARCHIST... they run away because they think I'm going to start burning down buildings or some shit.
I just cannot imagine dating someone who socially conservative (abortion, human rights, big business, drugs, etc).
Politically conservative is probably the same. Certainly, if they're into Beck, Limbaugh, Palin, Perry, or Bachmann.. it ain't gonna work. If they're a republican but more of a Ron Paul/Gary Johnson/WEST COAST republican... it definitely could work. It's the whole stance of the majority of republicans nowadays that "I should be able to tell you what to do with your personal/social life and issues even if they don't effect me directly" that I take severe issue with.
Thing is... I'm such a weirdo politically and otherwise that I don't think anyone will have ME! When I tell people I'm a minarchist/sympathetic libertarian and on bad days a discordian ANARCHIST... they run away because they think I'm going to start burning down buildings or some shit.
Does . . . not . . . compute.
Sure.... it .... does. Paul/Johnson/"west coast" republicans advocate the free market instead of government propping up business... like when they allowed those ridiculous financing agreements that resulted in all the bad mortgages, or when the government bailed out the banks, car industries, or farm subsidies, or protectionist trade measures that only serve to make US companies more profitable, etc etc etc.
Or do you have something else that you were trying to say, but communicated so ineffectively as to embarass yourself?
Everything not forbidden is compulsory and eveything not compulsory is forbidden. You are free... free to do what the government says you can do.
How many of you politically opinionated people would consider dating someone that held political opinions that were severely in conflict with your own? Have you ever dated someone that had a generally different political outlook? How did it work out?
be it politics, religion, or dietary practices it matters to the degree that it is important to you. If you believe in the right to bear arms and have an arsenal of weapons but she thinks guns are oppressive tools of the ruling class, not gonna work. You have to know what you believe and what it means to you. I could live with a social liberal but put a nanny state democrat in my house and I might smother her with a pillow while she sleeps, after a few years. And no Love does not conqure all... it takes a whole lot more work than that. Good luck in what ever choice you make!
How many of you politically opinionated people would consider dating someone that held political opinions that were severely in conflict with your own? Have you ever dated someone that had a generally different political outlook? How did it work out?
It would depend on how sexy she is and on how gobby she is. If she was damn hot then I'd keep it going until I got bored enough and fed up with her.
Though if she kept gobbing off about how much she loved God and Jesus and the Republicans and Israel then I'd have no choice but to tell her what an idiot she is and to get the fuck away from me.
I think it's a respect issue. Differing opinions can lead to a lot of fun as long as you respect each others reasoning and rationality. That said I've met a lot of people with strong opinions very different from my own whose reasoning doesn't compute with my logic. I certainly could never date a social conservative, or probably any sort of conservative in a serious sense. In the same way I couldn't be with a religious fanatic (any religon) and would probably struggle with someone who had no real political or social beliefs. In my experience, except when ridiculously smashed (although even then a little bit!) when lack of respect for someones' beliefs and how they reached them is a massive turn off
I don't mean to offend anyone, a lot of what I say should be taken with a grain of salt... that said for most of you I'm a stranger on a computer on the other side of the world, don't give me that sort of power!
drugs; no more piss police. It's my body and I can do with it what I please.
abortion; it's a woman's choice... not the government's.
religion; we need to stop the christian rhetoric and moralic acid handed down from on high.
individual expression/tolerance; one should not be afraid of the police state's tyranny if you're not doing harm to anyone else.
etc etc
Drugs... people need to be fit for duty. Depending on your job, you affect other people. Plus you’re more likely to be a drag on society if you partake in substance abuse. It’s all about how your decisions affect others. It is your body, but your decisions can impact others. I do realize that not everyone who uses drugs is a drag on society.
Abortion... women have a choice, whether or not to engage in an activity that can result in pregnancy. Abortion is really a second choice for those who did not take personal responsibility. I know plenty of people who have adopted, and I know how difficult and expensive it was.
Religion... The US is a Christian nation founded on Christian values. Separation of Church and State was meant to stop there from being an official church of the United States, not to remove all religion from government. Ironically, removal of all religion from government as the left is trying, actually by default makes atheism the official religion, which obviously violates the separation of Church and State, and is intolerant to all other religions.
Individual expression/tolerance… This one is easy. Obama has taken this to new lows. No president in history has been so aggressive towards those who speak out. Then there is the “fairness doctrine” that aims to crush free speech.
Sure.... it .... does. Paul/Johnson/"west coast" republicans advocate the free market instead of government propping up business... like when they allowed those ridiculous financing agreements that resulted in all the bad mortgages, or when the government bailed out the banks, car industries, or farm subsidies, or protectionist trade measures that only serve to make US companies more profitable, etc etc etc.
I'm confused because don’t most conservatives believe in the free market versus the liberal view of government intervention? Maybe I’m just interpreting your post wrong, and if so I apologize. I can’t tell if you are trying to blame the bad mortgages on the Republicans or just government in general. I’m assuming just government, because that would be the first time I have ever heard the bad mortgages blamed on the Republicans.
In general though, I do think we are getting off topic!
Just on the abortion and religion issues...
Abortion: in various states of Australia the abortion law differ from state to state. Do you believe in abortion if the woman is raped? That woman is not looking at a second option and has not made a choice. However if you do believe she can have one then surely you believe that a foetus isn't a baby and hence where is the problem with the termination? And don't you think there are enough unwanted and uncared for children in the world? What kid wants parents that don't want it?
Religon: I'm pretty sure that Freedom of Religon and also Athieism (not sure that's a world but you get my drift is an important part of the US. By using christianity as a basis in government surely that undermines all the other religons more than having an athiest base.
I don't mean to offend anyone, a lot of what I say should be taken with a grain of salt... that said for most of you I'm a stranger on a computer on the other side of the world, don't give me that sort of power!
I just cannot imagine dating someone who socially conservative (abortion, human rights, big business, drugs, etc).
Politically conservative is probably the same. Certainly, if they're into Beck, Limbaugh, Palin, Perry, or Bachmann.. it ain't gonna work. If they're a republican but more of a Ron Paul/Gary Johnson/WEST COAST republican... it definitely could work. It's the whole stance of the majority of republicans nowadays that "I should be able to tell you what to do with your personal/social life and issues even if they don't effect me directly" that I take severe issue with.
Thing is... I'm such a weirdo politically and otherwise that I don't think anyone will have ME! When I tell people I'm a minarchist/sympathetic libertarian and on bad days a discordian ANARCHIST... they run away because they think I'm going to start burning down buildings or some shit.
Does . . . not . . . compute.
Sure.... it .... does. Paul/Johnson/"west coast" republicans advocate the free market instead of government propping up business... like when they allowed those ridiculous financing agreements that resulted in all the bad mortgages, or when the government bailed out the banks, car industries, or farm subsidies, or protectionist trade measures that only serve to make US companies more profitable, etc etc etc.
Or do you have something else that you were trying to say, but communicated so ineffectively as to embarass yourself?
Just odd that you claim to be for individual rights over big business, yet, you claim to be cool with Ron Paul, who is totally pro corporation. I don't know so much about Gary Johnson, but, supporting Ron Paul means you are against bargaining rights for the "little guy," as well as against privacy, as Paul is a supporter of businesses gaining access to you and your family's medical records. The info is out there, man.
And Ive never met a conservative who was highly educated or even that bright. Most of them were pretty dense... Especially the ones who got good marks in school by just memorizing what they were told and not questioning it, like conservatives tend to do. Conservatives don't like independent thought, it's why we call them "conservative."
How many of you politically opinionated people would consider dating someone that held political opinions that were severely in conflict with your own? Have you ever dated someone that had a generally different political outlook? How did it work out?
It would depend on how sexy she is and on how gobby she is. If she was damn hot then I'd keep it going until I got bored enough and fed up with her.
Though if she kept gobbing off about how much she loved God and Jesus and the Republicans and Israel then I'd have no choice but to tell her what an idiot she is and to get the fuck away from me.
so as long as she puts out and keeps her mouth shut youll tolerate her? pure class steve, pure class.
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i couldn't date a woman with opposite views as me. i probably could not even use them for sex, because women like ann coulter disgust me...i think if i was forced to have sex with a woman like ann coulter i would not be able to because i would be too repulsed to get it up...
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
i couldn't date a woman with opposite views as me. i probably could not even use them for sex, because women like ann coulter disgust me...i think if i was forced to have sex with a woman like ann coulter i would not be able to because i would be too repulsed to get it up...
damn i guess i better toss that blonde wig then.
hear my name
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
I realize that this is a generalization and a stereotype, but I believe that it is based on surroundings and area also. In my neck of the woods, so to say, I find this to be somewhat accurate (merely based on what I have seen in my little bitty life!!--not a sweeping generalization). That said, it just depends on the person, so I can't really say that, either. My parents are conservatives, and they're not into hunting or nascar, nor are they '[white] trash'.
Politics and dating: hard to say. Someone mentioned being socially conservative vs. liberal....I think that would be more indicative of compatibility than would political beliefs. But, I guess love could conquer such differences, if each party is willing to compromise.
Why all the hate for hunters? You folks do know that a majority of hunters are big on wildlife conservation, right?
I wasn't expressing hatred for hunters...yes, I've heard the rationale that it controls the population. I don't support it, but I can see the point. I just thought that Gob's observation was interesting. Hunting for sport is big around where I live and grew up, and I can honestly say that every single person whom I have ever known to hunt leans to the right, which I guess makes sense.
i couldn't date a woman with opposite views as me. i probably could not even use them for sex, because women like ann coulter disgust me...i think if i was forced to have sex with a woman like ann coulter i would not be able to because i would be too repulsed to get it up...
I couldn't date a woman with views, period.
Great idea: let's start letting them think for themselves! That'll snowball into them wanting jobs, equality, rights. Eventually, they won't even have dinner waiting for me when I walk through the door!
There would have to be some serious chemistry involved, if there was no political common ground. When there's fire, you do what you have to do to keep the relationship, and those relationships are seriously hard to come by. Otherwise, my answer would be no, I wouldn't be able to handle an extreme opposite political view from mine, unless it was just for the sex only, and even then it would be temporary!
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its just polotics . dosnt effect oour daily life
we are adults
You sound bitter at the world....
Wow, this is really distorting the issue. First off, one can't assume it is welfare and UI, because that is not the case. Everything I have ever seen is "receive" vs. "contribute". The states that contribute more are going to be the most densely populated, and coincidentally enough they are mostly blue states. It's not a black and white issue by any means. Think about farmers in a red state, they receive from the government, and everyone benefits, not just that red state. If an army base is in a state, are they counting the funding it receives? Too many complexities in this issue to draw any conclusions.
Funny, because all the conservatives I know are wealthy and highly educated. All the liberals I know are uneducated trash (not just white, trash knows no color) and addicted to government. I've never met a liberal entrepreneur. While I do know a few conservatives that like to hunt, I know an equal amount of liberals who do too. I don't anyone who likes NASCAR, nice stereotype though. I have grandparents who are hardcore liberals that believe everything they hear on CNN, they even will argue that historical facts are wrong. For example, they believe that a Republican introduced social security. Their best argument against Bush was that they saw a picture where he looked like a monkey. No offense to liberals, I'm describing the liberals on my dad's side of the family, love them, but they aren't exactly the smartest bunch.
I just cannot imagine dating someone who socially conservative (abortion, human rights, big business, drugs, etc).
Politically conservative is probably the same. Certainly, if they're into Beck, Limbaugh, Palin, Perry, or Bachmann.. it ain't gonna work. If they're a republican but more of a Ron Paul/Gary Johnson/WEST COAST republican... it definitely could work. It's the whole stance of the majority of republicans nowadays that "I should be able to tell you what to do with your personal/social life and issues even if they don't effect me directly" that I take severe issue with.
Thing is... I'm such a weirdo politically and otherwise that I don't think anyone will have ME!
Politics and dating: hard to say. Someone mentioned being socially conservative vs. liberal....I think that would be more indicative of compatibility than would political beliefs. But, I guess love could conquer such differences, if each party is willing to compromise.
Regarding the dating issue, most conservatives I know lack compassion and the ability to empathize with others. They also tend to believe that behavior change happens through shaming and punishment, and also believe heavily in a person's individuality and downplay our interdependence. All of these values seem likely to play out in a dating relationship.
Hm.
Interesting.
Guess you've never heard of Steve Jobs or a David Geffen or Rachel Maddow? They're all pretty rich, educated and entrepreneurial. And I know of more old farts who parrot out of absurd lies of Glenn Beck and Bill O'Reily and the totally false crap they hear on Fox "news."
And Ive never met a conservative who was highly educated or even that bright. Most of them were pretty dense... Especially the ones who got good marks in school by just memorizing what they were told and not questioning it, like conservatives tend to do. Conservatives don't like independent thought, it's why we call them "conservative."
Which is odd because that one of the reasons I lean right. As a conservative, I want less of the government nanny state telling me what to do with my personal/social life.
Perception versus reality is a funny thing. Take for example social programs, liberals would incorrectly argue that they are there to help people. It's just an interesting side effect that the special interest groups that most social programs cater towards are their core voter base. Conservatives understand that if you give people too many handouts, they won't help themselves. As the metaphor goes… If you really want to help someone, teach him how to fish, don't give him a fish.
I wouldn't consider Steve Jobs and David Geffen educated, neither graduated from college. Honestly you have no idea what their politics are. Think about it, if you were rich and wanted people to like you. Wouldn’t you publicly support the party that the ignorant masses have been brainwashed to believe are “for the people”. Even if they donate money to publicly support them, they probably make it back 10 fold in profit. It’s like the lead singer who says “nobody rocks like Topeka”, to get crowd support. I bet most cities rock more than Topeka.
I've actually have never heard of Rachel Maddow, but I would say it is pretty clear reading her bio that she has her own special interest agenda. She has definitely obtained a great deal of education, not that I would consider it a very difficult field of study.
It’s ironic that you judge the intelligence of others in your incorrectly punctuated post. Obama getting elected completely trashes your theory. If liberals actually were such great independent thinkers and questioned things, he never would have sniffed office! People basically bought exactly what they were sold on TV. They didn’t have any independent thoughts on his questionable background and associations, or his inexperience.
Maybe I should have questioned the state capitals instead of just memorizing them? You know what… I’m convinced… Obama is a GREAT president, and the capital of Kansas is Wichita… forget that Topeka shit!
Well, I won't get into social programs because it is another issue altogether.
What I mean by "I (they/republicans) should be able to tell you what to do with your personal/social life and issues even if they don't effect me directly" is, like I said, social issues;
drugs; no more piss police. It's my body and I can do with it what I please.
abortion; it's a woman's choice... not the government's.
religion; we need to stop the christian rhetoric and moralic acid handed down from on high.
individual expression/tolerance; one should not be afraid of the police state's tyranny if you're not doing harm to anyone else.
etc etc
Going back to the roots of the conservative political party and republicans, they believed this too. These were classical liberal doctrines that are now viewed as fringe elements of the liberatrian mantra. Even the tea party and other groups that see themselves as "traditional conservatives" cannot fathom these ideas.
Man, this place is priceless. People get all upset over a over generalization (that really seemed to be a joke) and then fill the board with their outrage and there over-generalizations of the "other side".
Why all the hate for hunters? You folks do know that a majority of hunters are big on wildlife conservation, right?
The sex was great. We'd often debate about the merits of believing an invisible republican bodybuilder who was his own son who rode dinosaurs to sermons where he'd let blind people see and get fucked up on wine.
She seemed to think it was a totally plausible idea, and that it was inspirational.
I used to tell her it was fucking retarded.
Then, like I said, the sex was great.
Does . . . not . . . compute.
Sure.... it .... does. Paul/Johnson/"west coast" republicans advocate the free market instead of government propping up business... like when they allowed those ridiculous financing agreements that resulted in all the bad mortgages, or when the government bailed out the banks, car industries, or farm subsidies, or protectionist trade measures that only serve to make US companies more profitable, etc etc etc.
Or do you have something else that you were trying to say, but communicated so ineffectively as to embarass yourself?
be it politics, religion, or dietary practices it matters to the degree that it is important to you. If you believe in the right to bear arms and have an arsenal of weapons but she thinks guns are oppressive tools of the ruling class, not gonna work. You have to know what you believe and what it means to you. I could live with a social liberal but put a nanny state democrat in my house and I might smother her with a pillow while she sleeps, after a few years. And no Love does not conqure all... it takes a whole lot more work than that. Good luck in what ever choice you make!
It would depend on how sexy she is and on how gobby she is. If she was damn hot then I'd keep it going until I got bored enough and fed up with her.
Though if she kept gobbing off about how much she loved God and Jesus and the Republicans and Israel then I'd have no choice but to tell her what an idiot she is and to get the fuck away from me.
Abortion... women have a choice, whether or not to engage in an activity that can result in pregnancy. Abortion is really a second choice for those who did not take personal responsibility. I know plenty of people who have adopted, and I know how difficult and expensive it was.
Religion... The US is a Christian nation founded on Christian values. Separation of Church and State was meant to stop there from being an official church of the United States, not to remove all religion from government. Ironically, removal of all religion from government as the left is trying, actually by default makes atheism the official religion, which obviously violates the separation of Church and State, and is intolerant to all other religions.
Individual expression/tolerance… This one is easy. Obama has taken this to new lows. No president in history has been so aggressive towards those who speak out. Then there is the “fairness doctrine” that aims to crush free speech. I'm confused because don’t most conservatives believe in the free market versus the liberal view of government intervention? Maybe I’m just interpreting your post wrong, and if so I apologize. I can’t tell if you are trying to blame the bad mortgages on the Republicans or just government in general. I’m assuming just government, because that would be the first time I have ever heard the bad mortgages blamed on the Republicans.
In general though, I do think we are getting off topic!
Abortion: in various states of Australia the abortion law differ from state to state. Do you believe in abortion if the woman is raped? That woman is not looking at a second option and has not made a choice. However if you do believe she can have one then surely you believe that a foetus isn't a baby and hence where is the problem with the termination? And don't you think there are enough unwanted and uncared for children in the world? What kid wants parents that don't want it?
Religon: I'm pretty sure that Freedom of Religon and also Athieism (not sure that's a world but you get my drift is an important part of the US. By using christianity as a basis in government surely that undermines all the other religons more than having an athiest base.
Just odd that you claim to be for individual rights over big business, yet, you claim to be cool with Ron Paul, who is totally pro corporation. I don't know so much about Gary Johnson, but, supporting Ron Paul means you are against bargaining rights for the "little guy," as well as against privacy, as Paul is a supporter of businesses gaining access to you and your family's medical records. The info is out there, man.
Unbelievable. Just unbelievable.
so as long as she puts out and keeps her mouth shut youll tolerate her? pure class steve, pure class.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
Basically, yes. If I happened to end up dating a right-wing flag sucker then I'd use her for sex then drop her like a bad habit.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
damn i guess i better toss that blonde wig then.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
lordy the worst image just popped into my head. i think i need sleep.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
I couldn't date a woman with views, period.
Great idea: let's start letting them think for themselves! That'll snowball into them wanting jobs, equality, rights. Eventually, they won't even have dinner waiting for me when I walk through the door!
What a horrible world that would be.