Politics and Dating.

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Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

Have you ever met a gay Republican?

Because the ones I've met have all been annoying mama's boys. 90% of them cower in the closet like Dorothy Gale hiding from Elphelba and the way they defend Newt Gingrich is a bit too much like the way a battered house wife defends her husband.

I try not to be in close proximity to them, let alone date them.

Although that said, it's amazing the positions a guy can get into when he doesn't have a spine.

I have known many gay conservatives. many of them fought against the government when the same sex marriage debate came up. they believed like many of the liberal gay men i have known that the government should keeps in head out of the bedroom.

blackredyellow

I'd have a hard time dating anyone on either end of the spectrum... or at least someone vocal about it.

My wife really has no interest in politics, and that suits me just fine. I come to places like this to get my political fix, and pretty much leave politics out of my everyday life (at home and at work).

MG79478

unsung wrote:

My GF is not into politics at all. It's depressing.

Is she not in to politics, or doesn't she have an opinion? I think it is OK for someone to have an opinion and not be in to politics, but it's depressing for someone not to have an opinion.

There is also the girl who is says she is in to politics, but isn't really. So it's best you talk about more than just labels. I've dated girls who said they were liberals, which would be an obvious turn off. But if you actually talk about it, she just inherited that label from her parents or TV, and when you discuss her values, she's clearly a conservative.

Prince Of Dorkness

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

MG79478 wrote:

You have to be careful if you date a liberal, you will most likely have to support them.

really? that is pretty offensive there...

There are a lot of conservative "grenade throwers" who just say dumb-ass crap because they think it makes them look.... Less dumb-ass than they are.

They're wrong.

Jason P

MG79478 wrote:

Is she not in to politics, or doesn't she have an opinion? I think it is OK for someone to have an opinion and not be in to politics, but it's depressing for someone not to have an opinion.

I didn't have a political opinion for over three decades and life was splendid. 8-)

Now my friends discuss politics and every political conversation is depressing.

Considering that my opinion has little if no effect on political outcomes, which was the better way to conduct life? :think:

MG79478

Jason P wrote:

I didn't have a political opinion for over three decades and life was splendid. 8-)

Now my friends discuss politics and every political conversation is depressing.

Considering that my opinion has little if no effect on political outcomes, which was the better way to conduct life? :think:

Ignorance is bliss!

MG79478

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

MG79478 wrote:

You have to be careful if you date a liberal, you will most likely have to support them.

really? that is pretty offensive there...

There are a lot of conservative "grenade throwers" who just say dumb-ass crap because they think it makes them look.... Less dumb-ass than they are.

They're wrong.

Grenade Throwers... now it all makes sense! Thanks for clearing that up. :?

LikeAnOcean

MG79478 wrote:

MOKELE MBEMBE wrote:

Here's more of a just for fun topic:

How many of you politically opinionated people would consider dating someone that held political opinions that were severely in conflict with your own? Have you ever dated someone that had a generally different political outlook? How did it work out?

You have to be careful if you date a liberal, you will most likely have to support them.

What does that have to do with anything? I'm pretty liberal and at age 32 I haven't been unemployed one day since I was 15 years old.. What if you are a social liberal? I would think aborting that thing before it spawns would be a good financial move. :twisted:

Prince Of Dorkness

Well and anyone who can read a pie chart knows that per capita, it's usually people from the red states who take more welfare and UI. But hey, who's counting?

LikeAnOcean

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

Well and anyone who can read a pie chart knows that per capita, it's usually people from the red states who take more welfare and UI. But hey, who's counting?

I know tons of white trash conservatives and very successful, wealthy liberals. Go figure. Liberals are usually better at thinking out of the box and make good entrepreneurs.. The conservatives stick with hunting and nascar hobbies. No offense to conservatives, I'm describing the conservatives on my dad's side of the family, love them, but they aren't exactly the smartest bunch.

ONCE DEVIDED

my wife is completly opposite. more ofa fence sitter but she listens to my thoughts and offers good argument .
its just polotics . dosnt effect oour daily life
we are adults

Thoughts_Arrive

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

MOKELE MBEMBE wrote:

And I didn't know Newt had any defenders left, gay or not.

oh man... some of the most obvious right-wing scum bag hypocrites have people who'd support them if they were advocating killing everyone's first born son to keep from having to raise taxes on trillionaires.

You sound bitter at the world....

MG79478

Gob wrote:

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

Well and anyone who can read a pie chart knows that per capita, it's usually people from the red states who take more welfare and UI. But hey, who's counting?

I know tons of white trash conservatives and very successful, wealthy liberals. Go figure. Liberals are usually better at thinking out of the box and make good entrepreneurs.. The conservatives stick with hunting and nascar hobbies. No offense to conservatives, I'm describing the conservatives on my dad's side of the family, love them, but they aren't exactly the smartest bunch.

Wow, this is really distorting the issue. First off, one can't assume it is welfare and UI, because that is not the case. Everything I have ever seen is "receive" vs. "contribute". The states that contribute more are going to be the most densely populated, and coincidentally enough they are mostly blue states. It's not a black and white issue by any means. Think about farmers in a red state, they receive from the government, and everyone benefits, not just that red state. If an army base is in a state, are they counting the funding it receives? Too many complexities in this issue to draw any conclusions.

Funny, because all the conservatives I know are wealthy and highly educated. All the liberals I know are uneducated trash (not just white, trash knows no color) and addicted to government. I've never met a liberal entrepreneur. While I do know a few conservatives that like to hunt, I know an equal amount of liberals who do too. I don't anyone who likes NASCAR, nice stereotype though. I have grandparents who are hardcore liberals that believe everything they hear on CNN, they even will argue that historical facts are wrong. For example, they believe that a Republican introduced social security. Their best argument against Bush was that they saw a picture where he looked like a monkey. No offense to liberals, I'm describing the liberals on my dad's side of the family, love them, but they aren't exactly the smartest bunch.

he still stands

I'm becoming more closed-minded as I get older.

I just cannot imagine dating someone who socially conservative (abortion, human rights, big business, drugs, etc).

Politically conservative is probably the same. Certainly, if they're into Beck, Limbaugh, Palin, Perry, or Bachmann.. it ain't gonna work. If they're a republican but more of a Ron Paul/Gary Johnson/WEST COAST republican... it definitely could work. It's the whole stance of the majority of republicans nowadays that "I should be able to tell you what to do with your personal/social life and issues even if they don't effect me directly" that I take severe issue with.

Thing is... I'm such a weirdo politically and otherwise that I don't think anyone will have ME! When I tell people I'm a minarchist/sympathetic libertarian and on bad days a discordian ANARCHIST... they run away because they think I'm going to start burning down buildings or some shit.

EmBleve

Gob wrote:

The conservatives stick with hunting and nascar hobbies. No offense to conservatives, I'm describing the conservatives on my dad's side of the family, love them, but they aren't exactly the smartest bunch.

I realize that this is a generalization and a stereotype, but I believe that it is based on surroundings and area also. In my neck of the woods, so to say, I find this to be somewhat accurate (merely based on what I have seen in my little bitty life!!--not a sweeping generalization). That said, it just depends on the person, so I can't really say that, either. My parents are conservatives, and they're not into hunting or nascar, nor are they '[white] trash'.
Politics and dating: hard to say. Someone mentioned being socially conservative vs. liberal....I think that would be more indicative of compatibility than would political beliefs. But, I guess love could conquer such differences, if each party is willing to compromise.

Go Beavers

Funny how when data doesn't support someones view, there are too many "complexities" in the issue to draw conclusions. But, when bogus data supports a view, it's 100% valid.

Regarding the dating issue, most conservatives I know lack compassion and the ability to empathize with others. They also tend to believe that behavior change happens through shaming and punishment, and also believe heavily in a person's individuality and downplay our interdependence. All of these values seem likely to play out in a dating relationship.

Prince Of Dorkness

MG79478 wrote:

Funny, because all the conservatives I know are wealthy and highly educated. All the liberals I know are uneducated trash (not just white, trash knows no color) and addicted to government. I've never met a liberal entrepreneur. While I do know a few conservatives that like to hunt, I know an equal amount of liberals who do too. I don't anyone who likes NASCAR, nice stereotype though. I have grandparents who are hardcore liberals that believe everything they hear on CNN, they even will argue that historical facts are wrong. For example, they believe that a Republican introduced social security. Their best argument against Bush was that they saw a picture where he looked like a monkey. No offense to liberals, I'm describing the liberals on my dad's side of the family, love them, but they aren't exactly the smartest bunch.

Hm.

Interesting.

Guess you've never heard of Steve Jobs or a David Geffen or Rachel Maddow? They're all pretty rich, educated and entrepreneurial. And I know of more old farts who parrot out of absurd lies of Glenn Beck and Bill O'Reily and the totally false crap they hear on Fox "news."

And Ive never met a conservative who was highly educated or even that bright. Most of them were pretty dense... Especially the ones who got good marks in school by just memorizing what they were told and not questioning it, like conservatives tend to do. Conservatives don't like independent thought, it's why we call them "conservative."

MG79478

he still stands wrote:

It's the whole stance of the majority of republicans nowadays that "I should be able to tell you what to do with your personal/social life and issues even if they don't effect me directly" that I take severe issue with.

Which is odd because that one of the reasons I lean right. As a conservative, I want less of the government nanny state telling me what to do with my personal/social life.

Perception versus reality is a funny thing. Take for example social programs, liberals would incorrectly argue that they are there to help people. It's just an interesting side effect that the special interest groups that most social programs cater towards are their core voter base. Conservatives understand that if you give people too many handouts, they won't help themselves. As the metaphor goes… If you really want to help someone, teach him how to fish, don't give him a fish.

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

Guess you've never heard of Steve Jobs or a David Geffen or Rachel Maddow? They're all pretty rich, educated and entrepreneurial. And I know of more old farts who parrot out of absurd lies of Glenn Beck and Bill O'Reily and the totally false crap they hear on Fox "news."

I wouldn't consider Steve Jobs and David Geffen educated, neither graduated from college. Honestly you have no idea what their politics are. Think about it, if you were rich and wanted people to like you. Wouldn’t you publicly support the party that the ignorant masses have been brainwashed to believe are “for the people”. Even if they donate money to publicly support them, they probably make it back 10 fold in profit. It’s like the lead singer who says “nobody rocks like Topeka”, to get crowd support. I bet most cities rock more than Topeka.

I've actually have never heard of Rachel Maddow, but I would say it is pretty clear reading her bio that she has her own special interest agenda. She has definitely obtained a great deal of education, not that I would consider it a very difficult field of study.

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

And Ive never met a conservative who was highly educated or even that bright. Most of them were pretty dense... Especially the ones who got good marks in school by just memorizing what they were told and not questioning it, like conservatives tend to do. Conservatives don't like independent thought, it's why we call them "conservative."

It’s ironic that you judge the intelligence of others in your incorrectly punctuated post. Obama getting elected completely trashes your theory. If liberals actually were such great independent thinkers and questioned things, he never would have sniffed office! People basically bought exactly what they were sold on TV. They didn’t have any independent thoughts on his questionable background and associations, or his inexperience.

Maybe I should have questioned the state capitals instead of just memorizing them? You know what… I’m convinced… Obama is a GREAT president, and the capital of Kansas is Wichita… forget that Topeka shit!

he still stands

MG79478 wrote:

he still stands wrote:

It's the whole stance of the majority of republicans nowadays that "I should be able to tell you what to do with your personal/social life and issues even if they don't effect me directly" that I take severe issue with.

Which is odd because that one of the reasons I lean right. As a conservative, I want less of the government nanny state telling me what to do with my personal/social life.

Perception versus reality is a funny thing. Take for example social programs, liberals would incorrectly argue that they are there to help people. It's just an interesting side effect that the special interest groups that most social programs cater towards are their core voter base. Conservatives understand that if you give people too many handouts, they won't help themselves. As the metaphor goes… If you really want to help someone, teach him how to fish, don't give him a fish.

Well, I won't get into social programs because it is another issue altogether.

What I mean by "I (they/republicans) should be able to tell you what to do with your personal/social life and issues even if they don't effect me directly" is, like I said, social issues;

drugs; no more piss police. It's my body and I can do with it what I please.
abortion; it's a woman's choice... not the government's.
religion; we need to stop the christian rhetoric and moralic acid handed down from on high.
individual expression/tolerance; one should not be afraid of the police state's tyranny if you're not doing harm to anyone else.
etc etc

Going back to the roots of the conservative political party and republicans, they believed this too. These were classical liberal doctrines that are now viewed as fringe elements of the liberatrian mantra. Even the tea party and other groups that see themselves as "traditional conservatives" cannot fathom these ideas.

cincybearcat

Gob wrote:

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

Well and anyone who can read a pie chart knows that per capita, it's usually people from the red states who take more welfare and UI. But hey, who's counting?

I know tons of white trash conservatives and very successful, wealthy liberals. Go figure. Liberals are usually better at thinking out of the box and make good entrepreneurs.. The conservatives stick with hunting and nascar hobbies. No offense to conservatives, I'm describing the conservatives on my dad's side of the family, love them, but they aren't exactly the smartest bunch.

Man, this place is priceless. People get all upset over a over generalization (that really seemed to be a joke) and then fill the board with their outrage and there over-generalizations of the "other side".