Jalen Rose calls Duke kids "Uncle Tom's"

eddiec
eddiec Posts: 3,963
edited April 2011 in A Moving Train
Jalen Rose, former Michigan star made these controversial remarks in a documentary about the "Fab 5". Grant Hill, formerly of Duke issued a statement very soon after defending Duke. Personally I think Rose is very misguided in using the term "Uncle Tom". It is one of the most derogatory terms members of the black community can describe use to describe each other.
http://www.gcobb.com/2011/03/17/jalen-r ... nt-family/

If you want to see an interview with Rose defending his statements it is here: http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=6224395
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  • mikepegg44
    mikepegg44 Posts: 3,353
    I think Chris Broussard's comments, and the entire discussion was spot on...
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  • Callaway
    Callaway Posts: 635
    I still fail to see what was so fabulous about a group of players who couldn't even win their confrence championship. Indiana and Ohio State won the league crown the two years this corrupt group of players at Michigan were all together and they never won the ncaa championship either. Which means they didn't even achieve anything, in fact they were failures and corrupt people. This deserves a documentary, ya okay :roll: . Putting the fact that Michigan got caught paying players from the so-called fab five which ruined Michigan's program for 20 years now aside, Rose is a racist and always has been. It's sad to think someone thinks so little of themselves and their race that they try to degrade someone for coming from a good home, an educated home. I guess if the black players at Duke busted a cap in someone then they would be true "black men". Black men are no different than white men, the only difference is white men have had more power than black men through our history. But we are all made up of the same stuff. Jalen Rose is nothing more than an ignorant sub par athlete. And I am no Duke sports fan either.
  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,327
    Wink wrote:
    I still fail to see what was so fabulous about a group of players who couldn't even win their confrence championship.
    They started a trend that got rid of these .... enough said

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  • g under p
    g under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,237
    Jason P wrote:
    Wink wrote:
    I still fail to see what was so fabulous about a group of players who couldn't even win their confrence championship.
    They started a trend that got rid of these .... enough said

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    :o :shock:

    DUKE took care of business so there. As much as I can't stand the school (I almost attended this school) job well done.

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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,470
    Jason P wrote:
    Wink wrote:
    I still fail to see what was so fabulous about a group of players who couldn't even win their confrence championship.
    They started a trend that got rid of these .... enough said

    images?q=tbn:ANd9GcShF4wCeI85328k3jVO8Kdom-yEhtmkPoJBJCXLez6xBoVdCm0sMQ
    :o :shock:
    wow, i had forgotten how nuthuggers were the standard nba uniform. the only thing worse than those would be playing in a speedo. thanks for refreshing my memory though.... :lol:

    i haven't seen this show yet, but i plan on seeing it soon. i want to see in what context rose made those remarks.
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  • Black73
    Black73 Posts: 1,018
    Wink wrote:
    I still fail to see what was so fabulous about a group of players who couldn't even win their confrence championship. Indiana and Ohio State won the league crown the two years this corrupt group of players at Michigan were all together and they never won the ncaa championship either. Which means they didn't even achieve anything, in fact they were failures and corrupt people. This deserves a documentary, ya okay :roll: . Putting the fact that Michigan got caught paying players from the so-called fab five which ruined Michigan's program for 20 years now aside, Rose is a racist and always has been. It's sad to think someone thinks so little of themselves and their race that they try to degrade someone for coming from a good home, an educated home. I guess if the black players at Duke busted a cap in someone then they would be true "black men". Black men are no different than white men, the only difference is white men have had more power than black men through our history. But we are all made up of the same stuff. Jalen Rose is nothing more than an ignorant sub par athlete. And I am no Duke sports fan either.

    Exactly what you said! How is Jalen Rose any different than Calvin Hill for sending his kids to private school? This psycho-babble about "That's what I thought as a 17 year-old kid" is bullshit too - especially when he hasn't publicly said he's sorry for his comments.

    I really enjoyed Grant Hill's letter in response too. He mentions he should have known something was awry when he received an apology from Jalen Rose just before the airing of the Gab Five. Also, he notes that it's strange he would put in a good word for Jimmy King to Pistons brass in the 90's if he'd known that King would call him a bitch on a nationally-broadcast show in 2011. Rose and King (and Webber...he did take $280k to play at Michigan) are self-serving publicity hounds - none of them with a college or NBA ring. They attack the best because they could never beat the best. I guess their fight song is as much a sham as they are ("...the leders, and best").

    Typical Michigan. I grew up in Michigan and the sheer number of fans - that term actually refers to opinionated people who never have or never will attend U of M - that think their shit doesn't stink is what turned me off from Michigan athletics at an early age. In fact, I watched my aunt at a Michigan football game stand up when the announcer called for alumni to stand up and show their spirit...and she graduated from Ferris State University.

    The Flab Five ruining Michigan's basketball program has made the last 15 years very pleasurable to watch. This documentary has made me appreciate the accomplishments of Duke, and I was no fan previously by any stretch of the imagination. I was the world's biggest Duke fan yesterday in the NCAA tourney, wishing for a double-digit thumping .

    The last 3 or 4 football seasons have been icing on the cake! Go Blue...and take Yellow with you!
  • RW81233
    RW81233 Posts: 2,393
    so when was the last time that grant hill sent a letter to a media member that loved duke and the upper-class whiteness they exude to stop giving them undeserved love? or is he just a guy who grew up in a rich family unwilling to recognize the unearned privilege he was bestowed? grant hill may actually be worse than an uncle tom...he might be a rich guy who doesn't get it. at the same time jalen rose was definitely essentializing blackness with his comments so that doesn't make him right either. however, if i were to side with either it would be with j-rose over hill and the "plumlee boys" who were prolly dick cheyney's neighbors or something.
  • mikepegg44
    mikepegg44 Posts: 3,353
    RW81233 wrote:
    so when was the last time that grant hill sent a letter to a media member that loved duke and the upper-class whiteness they exude to stop giving them undeserved love? or is he just a guy who grew up in a rich family unwilling to recognize the unearned privilege he was bestowed? grant hill may actually be worse than an uncle tom...he might be a rich guy who doesn't get it. at the same time jalen rose was definitely essentializing blackness with his comments so that doesn't make him right either. however, if i were to side with either it would be with j-rose over hill and the "plumlee boys" who were prolly dick cheyney's neighbors or something.


    I am not sure what you mean by upper-class whiteness? can you quantify that for me?

    The idea that someone is turning their back on their race because they come from a two parent home and choose to work hard at their education at a university like Duke is obnoxious and damaging to future generations. Can you explain why you think Grant Hill is worse than an Uncle Tom? What do you think he doesn't get? Is he rich, yes, did he take advantage of what his parents helped him achieve? yes. What is wrong with that? there is so much wasted potential in this world, why would we ever want to denigrate someone for living up to theirs?
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  • Black73
    Black73 Posts: 1,018
    RW81233 wrote:
    however, if i were to side with either it would be with j-rose over hill...

    If I were to side with either, I'd read the letter from Grant Hill before casting my vote (which I did). In my house, the order of despised goes like this:

    1. Michigan
    2. Duke

    I have no love lost for Duke, but Jalen Rose is a thug who's jealous that Grant Hill comes from a two-parent household. Bet you didn't know Grant Hill's grandfather was a day laborer in Baltimore, did you? Bet you didn't know he scrounged & saved for his son Calvin to attend college, did you?

    I fail to see why it's admirable to be a hypocrite, so long as you stick by your comments. Jalen name calls and sticks to what he said, yet his kids are priveleged because he's rich. But if someone calls him the same that he called Grant Hill, you think he'd be pissed?
  • tybird
    tybird Posts: 17,388
    Fab Five=sore losers.....upset that their "brand" of ball couldn't beat an equally talented TEAM...that Duke TEAM was not handed any championship....they worked hard, beat the best of the best and climbed the mountain....Duke won back to back championships, Jalen....after they lost the championship game by a record margin to a team who reminds many of what the Fab Five turned out to be....a bunch of pro-players disguised as college athletes...the Runnin' Reb's of UNLV
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  • Black73
    Black73 Posts: 1,018
    University of Michigan has taken down the Final Four banners and wiped the wins/losses from the record books. According to university records, the Gab Five never existed.

    I personally LOVED the documentary. To listen to Rose, King and Jackson try to be articulate in their speech and fail miserably (King: "We prize ourselves.." instead of "pride" ) must make Michigan alum so proud of their academic institution!
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,895
    Black73 wrote:
    Go Blue...and take Yellow with you!


    It's Maize. :roll: :lol:
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  • Black73
    Black73 Posts: 1,018
    cincybearcat wrote:
    Black73 wrote:
    Go Blue...and take Yellow with you!


    It's Maize. :roll: :lol:

    Not if you're a Spartan...that's a fancy name for corn. Another example of my distaste for Michigan...they call MSU a "cow college," yet their colors are corn, er, maize and blue. Hoity toity!
  • dcfaithful
    dcfaithful Posts: 13,076
    mikepegg44 wrote:
    I think Chris Broussard's comments, and the entire discussion was spot on...
    I totally agree.
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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,895
    Black73 wrote:
    cincybearcat wrote:
    Black73 wrote:
    Go Blue...and take Yellow with you!


    It's Maize. :roll: :lol:

    Not if you're a Spartan...that's a fancy name for corn. Another example of my distaste for Michigan...they call MSU a "cow college," yet their colors are corn, er, maize and blue. Hoity toity!

    MSU is a cow college, have you seen the girls that go there. ;)
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  • Black73
    Black73 Posts: 1,018
    cincybearcat wrote:
    MSU is a cow college, have you seen the girls that go there. ;)

    Better than Bearcats, bro. Have you seen the cows that attend U of M? Not attractive.
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,895
    Black73 wrote:
    cincybearcat wrote:
    MSU is a cow college, have you seen the girls that go there. ;)

    Better than Bearcats, bro. Have you seen the cows that attend U of M? Not attractive.


    Hahaha, just messing with ya.
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  • Black73
    Black73 Posts: 1,018
    cincybearcat wrote:
    Black73 wrote:
    cincybearcat wrote:
    MSU is a cow college, have you seen the girls that go there. ;)

    Better than Bearcats, bro. Have you seen the cows that attend U of M? Not attractive.


    Hahaha, just messing with ya.

    That's what your supposed to do...mess with another's alma mater!
  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,327
    cincybearcat wrote:
    Black73 wrote:
    cincybearcat wrote:
    MSU is a cow college, have you seen the girls that go there. ;)

    Better than Bearcats, bro. Have you seen the cows that attend U of M? Not attractive.


    Hahaha, just messing with ya.
    All I can say is that after visiting the campus of Arizona State a few years after graduating from a Big 10 school, we (males) all made a horrible choice by attending Midwest colleges. :(

    If I had known then, what I know now ....

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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,895
    Jason P wrote:
    All I can say is that after visiting the campus of Arizona State a few years after graduating from a Big 10 school, we (males) all made a horrible choice by attending Midwest colleges. :(

    If I had known then, what I know now ....

    :mrgreen:

    I've heard that about ASU. I think you'd be surprised by some of the midwest colleges though...and that cold winter helps heat things up too. ;)
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