sick and disgusting

Loulou

It's hard isn't it?, in one way you wish they get the death penalty but in another you hope they get life and get treated like shit by the other inmates.

arq wrote:

bennett13 wrote:

Yes.

Any chance for the death penalty for the older ones with criminal records?

arq

bennett13 wrote:

Florida has laws on the books that allow the death penalty for drug trafficking

WTF!?!

:shock:

arq

Loulou wrote:

It's hard isn't it?, in one way you wish they get the death penalty but in another you hope they get life and get treated like shit by the other inmates.

Absolutely, but does that makes me a shitty person? that kind of dualism kills me

bennett13

arq wrote:

Loulou wrote:

It's hard isn't it?, in one way you wish they get the death penalty but in another you hope they get life and get treated like shit by the other inmates.

Absolutely, but does that makes me a shitty person? that kind of dualism kills me

As to the Florida law....yeah, hard to believe, huh?
As for you being a shitty person, absolutely not. Your outrage is justified, appropriate, and righteous. These animals that raped that little girl are the only shitty people in this equation. And those idiots who said she had it coming.

mysticweed

bennett13 wrote:

arq wrote:

bennett13 wrote:

Life....no parole. Period.

Even the 16 years old kids?

Yes.

ok
i was with you until this
i still believe minors are not adults and should not be treated as such

but i LOVE your attitude, your tenacity, your fighting the good fight
champion of the weak and abused
carry on
carry on

bennett13

Life....no parole. Period.[/quote]

Even the 16 years old kids?[/quote]


Yes.[/quote]




ok
i was with you until this
i still believe minors are not adults and should not be treated as such

but i LOVE your attitude, your tenacity, your fighting the good fight
champion of the weak and abused
carry on
carry on[/quote]


Thank you for the kind comments. I prosecute scum like this for a living, and I have ZERO tolerance for crimes that victimize children or the elderly.

As for the way minors should be treated by the justice system, we'll just agree to disagree.

Loulou

Nope, not at all! I feel the same way mate.
Those bastards didn't think of that little girl's life when they did that to her, they deserve it.
As for the younger ones, you know what you were like at 16 and I know what I was like and I believe at that age you know that something like that is horrible and sick. I think it's too old to plead the whole ignorant teen excuse.

arq wrote:

Loulou wrote:

It's hard isn't it?, in one way you wish they get the death penalty but in another you hope they get life and get treated like shit by the other inmates.

Absolutely, but does that makes me a shitty person? that kind of dualism kills me

bennett13

Amen!

guitar59

SK84993 wrote:

Castration for all that are found guilty.

+1

Loulou

I'd be up for that too! Good idea.

guitar59 wrote:

SK84993 wrote:

Castration for all that are found guilty.

+1

josevolution

Our society is beyond repairing we are steadly progressing further & further into animalistic exsistence ....we've become a numb mass ...

pandora

josevolution wrote:

Our society is beyond repairing we are steadly progressing further & further into animalistic exsistence ....we've become a numb mass ...

I couldn't read it .... I don't want to know

this stuff is hitting home lately with my daughter's internship in
Forensic/Crime Scene Investigator at a local sherrifs dept ...
I'm glad she is much stronger than me...
she's gonna need to be

josevolution

pandora wrote:

josevolution wrote:

Our society is beyond repairing we are steadly progressing further & further into animalistic exsistence ....we've become a numb mass ...

I couldn't read it .... I don't want to know

this stuff is hitting home lately with my daughter's internship in
Forensic/Crime Scene Investigator at a local sherrifs dept ...
I'm glad she is much stronger than me...
she's gonna need to be

Good luck to her my wife is a forensic nurse for the County where i live only for Rape cases and it really is so fucked up how people treat other people , that's why i believe we are just plummeting as a society ...

pandora

josevolution wrote:

pandora wrote:

josevolution wrote:

Our society is beyond repairing we are steadly progressing further & further into animalistic exsistence ....we've become a numb mass ...

I couldn't read it .... I don't want to know

this stuff is hitting home lately with my daughter's internship in
Forensic/Crime Scene Investigator at a local sherrifs dept ...
I'm glad she is much stronger than me...
she's gonna need to be

Good luck to her my wife is a forensic nurse for the County where i live only for Rape cases and it really is so fucked up how people treat other people , that's why i believe we are just plummeting as a society ...

She is a hero and very strong...bless her heart

I agree so many who have no regard for another human being but what they can get from them

Go Beavers

bennett13 wrote:

That is indeed sick and disgusting. If convicted, those guys should be executed (but they won't, since the US Supreme Court in their infinite wisdom :roll: said you can't execute people for raping children. Hopefully they will never see the outside of a prison cell for the rest of their worthless lives.

It is wise. The death penalty needs to be abolished. It's ineffective and morally wrong. But I guess it depends on what you think your country should stand for, too.

Go Beavers

josevolution wrote:

Our society is beyond repairing we are steadly progressing further & further into animalistic exsistence ....we've become a numb mass ...

Not really. Of course rape has been around for many thousands of years. Actually, people being disturbed by it is a good thing, as hard as it is to imagine its existence.

Go Beavers

Big Drop wrote:

"Maturity or not I'm pretty sure she knew what she was doing," Robin Smith, 24, a cashier in Cleveland, said as she shopped this week."

This is pure class. Ain't no flies on that.

I hope this person gets flattened by a bus walking across the street. Then the bus driver can say, "Crosswalk or not, I think they knew what they were doing."

It's interesting the woman's comments come from a place of denial, as do the opposite comments that demonize the rapists. It's too much to grasp the enormity of what happened, so some people blame the victim because the good people of her community couldn't do something like this. Likewise, a person who did this must be some kind of monster, not human, and therefore should be killed. The best and the worst are all human. And even the same person might do a great thing, and then a week later do a horrible thing. It can be a lot to hold both those opposing elements in our brains, so we condemn, and therefore resolve the dissonance. But as an observer, I think we elevate ourselves when we can delay judgment. I'm not saying a free pass, I'm saying understanding.

bennett13

josevolution wrote:

pandora wrote:

josevolution wrote:

Our society is beyond repairing we are steadly progressing further & further into animalistic exsistence ....we've become a numb mass ...

I couldn't read it .... I don't want to know

this stuff is hitting home lately with my daughter's internship in
Forensic/Crime Scene Investigator at a local sherrifs dept ...
I'm glad she is much stronger than me...
she's gonna need to be

Good luck to her my wife is a forensic nurse for the County where i live only for Rape cases and it really is so fucked up how people treat other people , that's why i believe we are just plummeting as a society ...

God speed to both of them...they should both know that, as difficult as their jobs may be, we need people like them. :clap:

bennett13

Go Beavers wrote:

Big Drop wrote:

"Maturity or not I'm pretty sure she knew what she was doing," Robin Smith, 24, a cashier in Cleveland, said as she shopped this week."

This is pure class. Ain't no flies on that.

I hope this person gets flattened by a bus walking across the street. Then the bus driver can say, "Crosswalk or not, I think they knew what they were doing."

It's interesting the woman's comments come from a place of denial, as do the opposite comments that demonize the rapists. It's too much to grasp the enormity of what happened, so some people blame the victim because the good people of her community couldn't do something like this. Likewise, a person who did this must be some kind of monster, not human, and therefore should be killed. The best and the worst are all human. And even the same person might do a great thing, and then a week later do a horrible thing. It can be a lot to hold both those opposing elements in our brains, so we condemn, and therefore resolve the dissonance. But as an observer, I think we elevate ourselves when we can delay judgment. I'm not saying a free pass, I'm saying understanding.

Not much to understand in what those guys did. The only thing I understand is that there is pure evil in this world, and someone has to stand against it. As for the death penalty, I won't argue that with you because I know I won't change your mind. It's an issue with which I have struggled myself, and I've decided that I'm in favor of capital punishment, but it should be reserved for the worst of the worst, and these guys seem to fit the bill.

Go Beavers

It's interesting the woman's comments come from a place of denial, as do the opposite comments that demonize the rapists. It's too much to grasp the enormity of what happened, so some people blame the victim because the good people of her community couldn't do something like this. Likewise, a person who did this must be some kind of monster, not human, and therefore should be killed. The best and the worst are all human. And even the same person might do a great thing, and then a week later do a horrible thing. It can be a lot to hold both those opposing elements in our brains, so we condemn, and therefore resolve the dissonance. But as an observer, I think we elevate ourselves when we can delay judgment. I'm not saying a free pass, I'm saying understanding.[/quote]

"Not much to understand in what those guys did. The only thing I understand is that there is pure evil in this world, and someone has to stand against it. As for the death penalty, I won't argue that with you because I know I won't change your mind. It's an issue with which I have struggled myself, and I've decided that I'm in favor of capital punishment, but it should be reserved for the worst of the worst, and these guys seem to fit the bill.[/quote]"

I think there's a lot to understand with everyone involved. Understanding what the victim went through and what would help her recovery; Understanding what the victim's parents are going through, what do they do with their feelings? How do they help their child?; What are the parent's of the rapists experiencing? Would they see their kid as evil, or still see the innocent 2 year old inside them? Understanding what the rapists were thinking, what was the motivator? How much bad have they done previously? How much good?; The friend of the rapist who he always had fun with his friend and can't imagine he could do this. etc..

I would say, as an observer like we are, to suspend judgment and attempt to understand each person's perspective in this horrible situation. That's what will elevate us as humans.

This sentence is significant:"The only thing I understand is that there is pure evil in this world, and someone has to stand against it." It seems like you favor the death penalty in this situation because it would say something about you if you didn't? Do you take a stand against "evil" for the greater good or is it to alleviate an internal struggle?