Bradley Manning and the stench of US hypocrisy

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  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/ja ... ng-q-and-a

    Adrain Lamo a q and a with the guy who turned manning in
  • fear4freedom
    fear4freedom Posts: 920
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    FREE BRADLEY MANNING!!

    FREE JULIAN ASSANGE!!!

    these men are courageous. these men are the REAL heroes.

    the shit they are going through is the exact same shit a whistleblower at a factory or corporation goes through when they expose the laws being broken by the factory or corporation. it is like the law breakers get a pass while the people that expose them take all of the heat and end up being punished somehow. instead of receiving thanks from those who are supposed to be on the whistleblowers' side, they receive condemnation and punishment. kind of fucked up there. actually very fucked up there. it is almost like the take home message here is "if you see war crimes and international law being broken, take that to your grave, and do not interfere" instead of "if you witness anything illegal, immoral, or outright wrong notify everyone up your chain of command to insure that it is addressed properly."

    All this happening under Obama administration, where is the Transparency and Justice that was promised from Obama himself? Why didnt Obama prosecute ONE person from the Wall St. scams? Not one prosectution from the country almost going over the cliff? HMMMMMM OK !
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,440
    fear4freedom wrote:
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    FREE BRADLEY MANNING!!

    FREE JULIAN ASSANGE!!!

    these men are courageous. these men are the REAL heroes.

    the shit they are going through is the exact same shit a whistleblower at a factory or corporation goes through when they expose the laws being broken by the factory or corporation. it is like the law breakers get a pass while the people that expose them take all of the heat and end up being punished somehow. instead of receiving thanks from those who are supposed to be on the whistleblowers' side, they receive condemnation and punishment. kind of fucked up there. actually very fucked up there. it is almost like the take home message here is "if you see war crimes and international law being broken, take that to your grave, and do not interfere" instead of "if you witness anything illegal, immoral, or outright wrong notify everyone up your chain of command to insure that it is addressed properly."

    All this happening under Obama administration, where is the Transparency and Justice that was promised from Obama himself? Why didnt Obama prosecute ONE person from the Wall St. scams? Not one prosectution from the country almost going over the cliff? HMMMMMM OK !
    if you would search my posts you would see that i am very pissed off at obama and the military justice system for the treatment of manning, i am pissed at obama because he had thrown too many whistleblowers in jail. i am pissed because of what has happened to assange.

    he probably has not prosecuted anyone from wall street because he is the president and not the attorney general, and because the wall street people are the ones that pay him. and what does it matter? if he had gone after the wall street people you would most likely say he was "infringing on their rights because what they did was technically legal". he can't win no matter what he does.. no matter what he does the right is gonna bitch about it.
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  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    The Justice Department’s legal assault on Swartz is of a vindictive piece with the prosecution of others who have carried important information into the public realm. Front and center is 25-year-old Bradley Manning, the Iraq War enlistee accused of being WikiLeaks’s source in the military. The restricted foreign policy documents that Manning allegedly released don’t amount to even 1 percent of the 92 million items the government classified last year, but the young private faces life in prison at his court-martial in June for the charge, among twenty-one others, of “aiding the enemy.” Then there’s Jeremy Hammond, age 28, who in his freshman year at the University of Illinois hacked the computer science department’s home page, then told them how they could fix its problem. He got thrown out of school for that; now he’s in a federal prison facing thirty-nine years to life, charged with various hacks and leaks (all apparently led by an FBI informant) including the 5 million internal e-mails of Stratfor, a private security firm hired by corporations to surveil private citizens, among other activities.

    Barack Obama once campaigned as a friend to whistleblowers. Yet his Justice Department has launched twice as many Espionage Act prosecutions against domestic leakers as all previous administrations combined. One defendant, former National Security Agency official Thomas Drake, resembles an older version of Swartz: a former math and chess prodigy, Drake saw wanton illegality in the NSA’s post-9/11 surveillance program. When his internal complaints went nowhere, he went to The Baltimore Sun. The case against Drake crumpled on contact with a courtroom, but it was enough to ruin his career and financial well-being. Drake pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor and now works at an Apple Store when he isn’t attending Bradley Manning’s court hearings.

    http://www.thenation.com/article/172380 ... y-manning#
  • Dirtie_Frank
    Dirtie_Frank Posts: 1,348
    People are failing to realize he does not fall under the normal justice system. He falls under the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ). Very different!!
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  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,327
    He was aquitted of aiding the enemy and found guilty of a lesser espionage charge.
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  • BinauralJam
    BinauralJam Posts: 14,158
    Jason P wrote:
    He was aquitted of aiding the enemy and found guilty of a lesser espionage charge.


    8-)
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    this trial is a joke and the whole notion of justice is being spat on ...

    a 7 hr summation just so the press wouldn't write anything on the defense that day!? ... pathetic ...
  • satansbed
    satansbed Posts: 2,139
    Jason P wrote:
    He was aquitted of aiding the enemy and found guilty of a lesser espionage charge.


    right result
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,799
    satansbed wrote:
    Jason P wrote:
    He was aquitted of aiding the enemy and found guilty of a lesser espionage charge.


    right result
    5 counts of espionage, 5 counts of theft, single count of computer fraud and various military infractions. Possible 128 years.
    According to the yahoo article.
    I wonder what the military charges were?
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,440
    so wait a minute. if you blow a whistle on your government for illegal and unethical shit, you go to jail.

    :fp: :fp:
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  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    Yep, these are the sorts of things that Congress can find bi-partisan support on.
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,440
    unsung wrote:
    Yep, these are the sorts of things that Congress can find bi-partisan support on.
    i guess this is yet another way to keep their employees/soldiers in check. you find a video file of an american helicopter wasting civilians and journalists, you better keep that to yourself...
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  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    One more political prisoner in prison in the U.S to join the ranks of the many other political prisoners, such as Leonard Peltier, and Mumia Abu-jamal.

    The land of the free? Sure. With over 2 million people behind bars. And if you upset the rich and powerful, then you'll go the same way.
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,440
    what the hell ever happened to "if you SEE something, SAY something"??
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    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • Guitar92player
    Guitar92player Posts: 664
    Byrnzie wrote:

    The land of the free? Sure. With over 2 million people behind bars. And if you upset the rich and powerful, then you'll go the same way.

    Well, we got to put people in jail if they do wrong. But I get what you mean.
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  • satansbed
    satansbed Posts: 2,139
    mickeyrat wrote:
    satansbed wrote:
    Jason P wrote:
    He was aquitted of aiding the enemy and found guilty of a lesser espionage charge.


    right result
    5 counts of espionage, 5 counts of theft, single count of computer fraud and various military infractions. Possible 128 years.
    According to the yahoo article.
    I wonder what the military charges were?


    because he did all those things, he stole a fuck load of documents and gave them to wikileaks, aiding and abetting terrorists. no. espionage and theft, yes.
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,799
    satansbed wrote:
    mickeyrat wrote:
    "satansbed wrote:


    right result
    5 counts of espionage, 5 counts of theft, single count of computer fraud and various military infractions. Possible 128 years.
    According to the yahoo article.
    I wonder what the military charges were?


    because he did all those things, he stole a fuck load of documents and gave them to wikileaks, aiding and abetting terrorists. no. espionage and theft, yes.
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    I get that. They didn't list what the military specific charges were. As I read it there were additional military charges.
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  • unsung
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  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,327
    I think the rules have been pretty clear from day one back in 1776 about stealing classified documents.
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