who gives a fuck about workers' rights?

Chip McFlennigan

Fuck wisconsin.

Pearl Drummer

IBTL

TheGhost

johnny america wrote:

Fuck wisconsin.

Your joking, right?

gimmesometruth27

johnny america wrote:

Fuck wisconsin.

this is actually a very big deal and will have a ripple effect all over the US with regard to destroying the middle class and making employers have more power and will stack the deck against their employees. what happens in wisconsin is going to determine what happens in the rest of the country. you should think about your position before posting such an eloquent post.

Chip McFlennigan

TheGhost wrote:

johnny america wrote:

Fuck wisconsin.

Your joking, right?

My joking? Nice.

Fuck no. I'm a professional Firefighter. Yeah, take away our collective bargaining because we're "overpaid."

I'm sorry, motherfuckers, but I am not overpaid.

I'd like to see those pussies do what we do.

81

ibtm

i don't have a problem with your pay, i do have a problem with the pensions.

elvistheking44

81 wrote:

ibtm

i don't have a problem with your pay, i do have a problem with the pensions.

+100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000

inmytree

81 wrote:

ibtm

i don't have a problem with your pay, i do have a problem with the pensions.

again with the pensions...

I guess if it's such a sweet deal, perhaps you could get one of those sweet, low paying gov't jobs where folks bitch about you and at you all the time...or you could put your life on the like like Johnny...

methinks you'll just keep whining...

81

inmytree wrote:

81 wrote:

ibtm

i don't have a problem with your pay, i do have a problem with the pensions.

again with the pensions...

I guess if it's such a sweet deal, perhaps you could get one of those sweet, low paying gov't jobs where folks bitch about you and at you all the time...or you could put your life on the like like Johnny...

methinks you'll just keep whining...

i'm sure if i was a pension person i would enjoy it. just human nature. but as a tax payer, i think it's pretty crappy that alot of people can retire in their 50's and get paid for life. do some 401k style system and match 5-8%. i could live with that.

81

just a couple of other quick thoughts....

maybe something special needs to be done for fire fighters and cops since it's tough for a cop to work until 65 unless they get a desk job or become a chief of some sort.

but teachers, school admins, .gov workers, senators and reps... no, tell me why they should get a lifetime salary????

81

here is the top school pension in IL. yeah, it's just great, that we are paying close to a quarter million a year for one person.

Murray, Laura L

School District (last employer)
Homewood-Flossmoor CHSD 233

Salary at Retirement
$402,331.22

Retirement Date
7/1/2008

Age at Retirement
57

Early Retirement Incentive?
No

AnnualPension
$238,881.60

81

here are a few more

Name School District (last employer) Annual Pension
Murray, Laura L Homewood-Flossmoor CHSD 233 $238,881.60 Details
Catalani, Gary T Community Unit SD 200 $237,195.24 Details
Weaver, Reginald L National Education Association $235,589.40 Details
Gmitro, Henry A Community CSD 93 $234,802.80 Details
Hager, Maureen L North Shore SD 112 $231,702.60 Details
Bangser, Henry S New Trier TWP HSD 203 $230,531.28 Details
Curley, Mary M Hinsdale CCSD 181 $226,645.08 Details
Conyers, John G Palatine CCSD 15 $224,006.16 Details
Kelly, Dennis G Lyons TWP HSD 204 $213,692.52 Details
Wetzel, Norman R Community USD 300 $212,651.16 Details
Baskin, Lawrence M Glen Ellyn CCSD 89 $211,013.16 Details
Burns, Kevin G Community HSD 218 $206,494.56 Details
Patton, Ronald C Bloom TWP HSD 206 $206,132.52 Details
Edwards, Marvin E School District U46 $205,460.40 Details
Chapman, Gerald D Palatine TWP HSD 211 $202,493.28 Details
Hintz, James S Adlai Stevenson HSD 125 $201,444.36 Details
Conti, Dennis R Woodland CCSD 50 $200,277.96 Details
Gallagher, James J Evergreen Park CHSD 231 $199,459.44 Details
Bultinck, Howard J Sunset Ridge SD 29 $199,298.88 Details
Weber, Donald E Naperville CUSD 203 $196,767.72 Details
Bridge, Susan J Oak Park-River Forest SD 200 $196,207.08 Details
Hanson, Linda M Highland Park TWP HSD 113 $195,688.20 Details
Ward, Christopher J Lockport TWP HSD 205 $193,498.20 Details
Johnson, Michael D IL Assoc of School Boards $193,273.32 Details
White, James W Queen Bee SD 16 $192,874.56 Details


http://www.pioneerlocal.com/pioneerpres ... ualPension

inmytree

81 wrote:

inmytree wrote:

81 wrote:

ibtm

i don't have a problem with your pay, i do have a problem with the pensions.

again with the pensions...

I guess if it's such a sweet deal, perhaps you could get one of those sweet, low paying gov't jobs where folks bitch about you and at you all the time...or you could put your life on the like like Johnny...

methinks you'll just keep whining...

i'm sure if i was a pension person i would enjoy it. just human nature. but as a tax payer, i think it's pretty crappy that alot of people can retire in their 50's and get paid for life. do some 401k style system and match 5-8%. i could live with that.

As a tax payer, I'm happy that those like Johnny would take a dangerous job to keep you and me safe...I'm happy that there are those willing to take a not so good paying job and work for the public good...

folks seem to think public employees are making big money...trust me they're not...for past few years, many have gone without raises...have been laid off...been furloughed...had there medical insurance double and triple...

And this "retire at 50" thing, where are you getting that...? I know the military as something like that and maybe police...but not all public employees have that option...

and why is this suddenly an issue...? It's funny to me that folks are focusing on those working for the public good...

inmytree

81 wrote:

here are a few more

Name School District (last employer) Annual Pension
Murray, Laura L Homewood-Flossmoor CHSD 233 $238,881.60 Details
Catalani, Gary T Community Unit SD 200 $237,195.24 Details
Weaver, Reginald L National Education Association $235,589.40 Details
Gmitro, Henry A Community CSD 93 $234,802.80 Details
Hager, Maureen L North Shore SD 112 $231,702.60 Details
Bangser, Henry S New Trier TWP HSD 203 $230,531.28 Details
Curley, Mary M Hinsdale CCSD 181 $226,645.08 Details
Conyers, John G Palatine CCSD 15 $224,006.16 Details
Kelly, Dennis G Lyons TWP HSD 204 $213,692.52 Details
Wetzel, Norman R Community USD 300 $212,651.16 Details
Baskin, Lawrence M Glen Ellyn CCSD 89 $211,013.16 Details
Burns, Kevin G Community HSD 218 $206,494.56 Details
Patton, Ronald C Bloom TWP HSD 206 $206,132.52 Details
Edwards, Marvin E School District U46 $205,460.40 Details
Chapman, Gerald D Palatine TWP HSD 211 $202,493.28 Details
Hintz, James S Adlai Stevenson HSD 125 $201,444.36 Details
Conti, Dennis R Woodland CCSD 50 $200,277.96 Details
Gallagher, James J Evergreen Park CHSD 231 $199,459.44 Details
Bultinck, Howard J Sunset Ridge SD 29 $199,298.88 Details
Weber, Donald E Naperville CUSD 203 $196,767.72 Details
Bridge, Susan J Oak Park-River Forest SD 200 $196,207.08 Details
Hanson, Linda M Highland Park TWP HSD 113 $195,688.20 Details
Ward, Christopher J Lockport TWP HSD 205 $193,498.20 Details
Johnson, Michael D IL Assoc of School Boards $193,273.32 Details
White, James W Queen Bee SD 16 $192,874.56 Details


http://www.pioneerlocal.com/pioneerpres ... ualPension

I guess you begrudge those who work hard and are successful in this country...interesting...

again, I wonder, why aren't you getting in line for these sweet jobs...

I wonder, does this upset you...?

The 2010 Wall Street bonus: $128,530

http://money.cnn.com/2011/02/24/news/ec ... eet_bonus/

comebackgirl

81 wrote:

just a couple of other quick thoughts....

maybe something special needs to be done for fire fighters and cops since it's tough for a cop to work until 65 unless they get a desk job or become a chief of some sort.

but teachers, school admins, .gov workers, senators and reps... no, tell me why they should get a lifetime salary????

I'm a school admin and don't get a lifetime pension...never have. I get a 401k with an 8% match. I work two jobs...up at 5am...home at 10:30pm almost every night...on call for crises 24/7. I won't be able to retire at 50 but I'm sure I'll burn out before then. The non-professional staff here (janitors/clerical staff/etc) are in the pension system, but their salaries are also much lower.

inmytree

81 wrote:

just a couple of other quick thoughts....

maybe something special needs to be done for fire fighters and cops since it's tough for a cop to work until 65 unless they get a desk job or become a chief of some sort.

but teachers, school admins, .gov workers, senators and reps... no, tell me why they should get a lifetime salary????

tell me why they shouldn't...?

inmytree

comebackgirl wrote:

81 wrote:

just a couple of other quick thoughts....

maybe something special needs to be done for fire fighters and cops since it's tough for a cop to work until 65 unless they get a desk job or become a chief of some sort.

but teachers, school admins, .gov workers, senators and reps... no, tell me why they should get a lifetime salary????

I'm a school admin and don't get a lifetime pension...never have. I get a 401k with an 8% match. I work two jobs...up at 5am...home at 10:30pm almost every night...on call for crises 24/7. I won't be able to retire at 50 but I'm sure I'll burn out before then. The non-professional staff here (janitors/clerical staff/etc) are in the pension system, but their salaries are also much lower.

aaaaa quit talking about facts and reality...

don't you know it's all your fault...

81

inmytree wrote:

81 wrote:

here are a few more

Name School District (last employer) Annual Pension
Murray, Laura L Homewood-Flossmoor CHSD 233 $238,881.60 Details
Catalani, Gary T Community Unit SD 200 $237,195.24 Details
Weaver, Reginald L National Education Association $235,589.40 Details
Gmitro, Henry A Community CSD 93 $234,802.80 Details
Hager, Maureen L North Shore SD 112 $231,702.60 Details
Bangser, Henry S New Trier TWP HSD 203 $230,531.28 Details
Curley, Mary M Hinsdale CCSD 181 $226,645.08 Details
Conyers, John G Palatine CCSD 15 $224,006.16 Details
Kelly, Dennis G Lyons TWP HSD 204 $213,692.52 Details
Wetzel, Norman R Community USD 300 $212,651.16 Details
Baskin, Lawrence M Glen Ellyn CCSD 89 $211,013.16 Details
Burns, Kevin G Community HSD 218 $206,494.56 Details
Patton, Ronald C Bloom TWP HSD 206 $206,132.52 Details
Edwards, Marvin E School District U46 $205,460.40 Details
Chapman, Gerald D Palatine TWP HSD 211 $202,493.28 Details
Hintz, James S Adlai Stevenson HSD 125 $201,444.36 Details
Conti, Dennis R Woodland CCSD 50 $200,277.96 Details
Gallagher, James J Evergreen Park CHSD 231 $199,459.44 Details
Bultinck, Howard J Sunset Ridge SD 29 $199,298.88 Details
Weber, Donald E Naperville CUSD 203 $196,767.72 Details
Bridge, Susan J Oak Park-River Forest SD 200 $196,207.08 Details
Hanson, Linda M Highland Park TWP HSD 113 $195,688.20 Details
Ward, Christopher J Lockport TWP HSD 205 $193,498.20 Details
Johnson, Michael D IL Assoc of School Boards $193,273.32 Details
White, James W Queen Bee SD 16 $192,874.56 Details


http://www.pioneerlocal.com/pioneerpres ... ualPension

I guess you begrudge those who work hard and are successful in this country...interesting...

again, I wonder, why aren't you getting in line for these sweet jobs...

I wonder, does this upset you...?

The 2010 Wall Street bonus: $128,530

http://money.cnn.com/2011/02/24/news/ec ... eet_bonus/

i have no problem with people making money. i have a problem with people receiving a cool 1/4 million for life. for the first person, they retired at 57. what's the average life expectancy 78? that's a cool 5.25M. you can't sit there and say this person needs it to live a comfortable life? please.

i agree, there is plenty of greed on wall street. excessive greed is one of the biggest issues in america. it's why we end up with .25M pensions

81

comebackgirl wrote:

81 wrote:

just a couple of other quick thoughts....

maybe something special needs to be done for fire fighters and cops since it's tough for a cop to work until 65 unless they get a desk job or become a chief of some sort.

but teachers, school admins, .gov workers, senators and reps... no, tell me why they should get a lifetime salary????

I'm a school admin and don't get a lifetime pension...never have. I get a 401k with an 8% match. I work two jobs...up at 5am...home at 10:30pm almost every night...on call for crises 24/7. I won't be able to retire at 50 but I'm sure I'll burn out before then. The non-professional staff here (janitors/clerical staff/etc) are in the pension system, but their salaries are also much lower.

no offense, but 8% and a salary is how it should be. what state are you in? clearly not IL.

inmytree

81 wrote:

inmytree wrote:

81 wrote:

here are a few more

Name School District (last employer) Annual Pension
Murray, Laura L Homewood-Flossmoor CHSD 233 $238,881.60 Details
Catalani, Gary T Community Unit SD 200 $237,195.24 Details
Weaver, Reginald L National Education Association $235,589.40 Details
Gmitro, Henry A Community CSD 93 $234,802.80 Details
Hager, Maureen L North Shore SD 112 $231,702.60 Details
Bangser, Henry S New Trier TWP HSD 203 $230,531.28 Details
Curley, Mary M Hinsdale CCSD 181 $226,645.08 Details
Conyers, John G Palatine CCSD 15 $224,006.16 Details
Kelly, Dennis G Lyons TWP HSD 204 $213,692.52 Details
Wetzel, Norman R Community USD 300 $212,651.16 Details
Baskin, Lawrence M Glen Ellyn CCSD 89 $211,013.16 Details
Burns, Kevin G Community HSD 218 $206,494.56 Details
Patton, Ronald C Bloom TWP HSD 206 $206,132.52 Details
Edwards, Marvin E School District U46 $205,460.40 Details
Chapman, Gerald D Palatine TWP HSD 211 $202,493.28 Details
Hintz, James S Adlai Stevenson HSD 125 $201,444.36 Details
Conti, Dennis R Woodland CCSD 50 $200,277.96 Details
Gallagher, James J Evergreen Park CHSD 231 $199,459.44 Details
Bultinck, Howard J Sunset Ridge SD 29 $199,298.88 Details
Weber, Donald E Naperville CUSD 203 $196,767.72 Details
Bridge, Susan J Oak Park-River Forest SD 200 $196,207.08 Details
Hanson, Linda M Highland Park TWP HSD 113 $195,688.20 Details
Ward, Christopher J Lockport TWP HSD 205 $193,498.20 Details
Johnson, Michael D IL Assoc of School Boards $193,273.32 Details
White, James W Queen Bee SD 16 $192,874.56 Details


http://www.pioneerlocal.com/pioneerpres ... ualPension

I guess you begrudge those who work hard and are successful in this country...interesting...

again, I wonder, why aren't you getting in line for these sweet jobs...

I wonder, does this upset you...?

The 2010 Wall Street bonus: $128,530

http://money.cnn.com/2011/02/24/news/ec ... eet_bonus/

i have no problem with people making money. i have a problem with people receiving a cool 1/4 million for life. for the first person, they retired at 57. what's the average life expectancy 78? that's a cool 5.25M. you can't sit there and say this person needs it to live a comfortable life? please.

i agree, there is plenty of greed on wall street. excessive greed is one of the biggest issues in america. it's why we end up with .25M pensions

it really sounds like you do have a problem with people making money...

perhaps a bit envious, too...

inmytree

81 wrote:

comebackgirl wrote:

81 wrote:

just a couple of other quick thoughts....

maybe something special needs to be done for fire fighters and cops since it's tough for a cop to work until 65 unless they get a desk job or become a chief of some sort.

but teachers, school admins, .gov workers, senators and reps... no, tell me why they should get a lifetime salary????

I'm a school admin and don't get a lifetime pension...never have. I get a 401k with an 8% match. I work two jobs...up at 5am...home at 10:30pm almost every night...on call for crises 24/7. I won't be able to retire at 50 but I'm sure I'll burn out before then. The non-professional staff here (janitors/clerical staff/etc) are in the pension system, but their salaries are also much lower.

no offense, but 8% and a salary is how it should be. what state are you in? clearly not IL.

how it should be...says you...

comebackgirl

81 wrote:

comebackgirl wrote:

81 wrote:

just a couple of other quick thoughts....

maybe something special needs to be done for fire fighters and cops since it's tough for a cop to work until 65 unless they get a desk job or become a chief of some sort.

but teachers, school admins, .gov workers, senators and reps... no, tell me why they should get a lifetime salary????

I'm a school admin and don't get a lifetime pension...never have. I get a 401k with an 8% match. I work two jobs...up at 5am...home at 10:30pm almost every night...on call for crises 24/7. I won't be able to retire at 50 but I'm sure I'll burn out before then. The non-professional staff here (janitors/clerical staff/etc) are in the pension system, but their salaries are also much lower.

no offense, but 8% and a salary is how it should be. what state are you in? clearly not IL.

I'm not complaining about an 8% match. I'm happy with that. Just correcting the notion the school admins necessarily get a lifetime pension. I'm in Jersey baby! Bet it all makes sense now

81

envious that's rich.

81

comebackgirl wrote:

I'm not complaining about an 8% match. I'm happy with that. Just correcting the notion the school admins necessarily get a lifetime pension. I'm in Jersey baby! Bet it all makes sense now

i should have known you were a jersey girl. i'm sure i read that before.

obviously, every state is different. IL is way to generous. they try to take care of everybody from cradle to grave. what, you need something....here.

comebackgirl

81 wrote:

comebackgirl wrote:

I'm not complaining about an 8% match. I'm happy with that. Just correcting the notion the school admins necessarily get a lifetime pension. I'm in Jersey baby! Bet it all makes sense now

i should have known you were a jersey girl. i'm sure i read that before.

obviously, every state is different. IL is way to generous. they try to take care of everybody from cradle to grave. what, you need something....here.

The only thing that keeps me here is snooki and the shopping malls They SHOULD give me a pension just to stay here And my job has forced me to miss PJ shows way too many times. I deserve a pension for that too :twisted:

Nothingman54

It's stones fault. Ibtl

ajedigecko

when times are good,people ask me....... "why are you teaching, you could make so much more money."

when times are bad, people think "we" make too much.

"fuck all you assholes"
Bunny
Full Metal Jacket

jmurray

The problem with the Wisconsin bill is not the cuts to salaries, benefits or pensions. The problem with the fucking bill is that those cuts were not bargained collectively. If you think public employees make to much run for your town government and sit across the table and tell then that. If you think you don't make enough form a union and bargain a contract. What's left of the middle class in the US should be scared shitless right now. There's a reason the tea party funding fucking Koch brothers poured so much money into Wisconsin and it's not because the care about the Wisconsin budget shortfall, it's about union busting.

JS81606

As long as gov employees take tax payers money and those funds are used to sustain unions, then there is a big problem. As a private sector employer and owner, I am responsible for my own pension and at what age I retire as well as those employed by me. I feel that police/ firefighters deserve larger compensation as compared to the secretary, janitor, or whomever else is at a low risk job job in gov. Some gov jobs are high risk, just like in the private sector where we invest at a higher risk and either we reap the benefits or lose our ass, in the gov sector there is no loss cuz the union protects their rights. What about the taxpayers! Where are their rights in this? This is just a beginning to right the ship and that is all. I don't want to fuck worker's rights, I want things on a level playing field. Unions/ gov does not reward the exemplary employees, but protects the lazy and inept. Rights, if you need them so badly, I say look in the mirror and ask yourself, would I hire me?

TheGhost

johnny america wrote:

TheGhost wrote:

johnny america wrote:

Fuck wisconsin.

Your joking, right?

My joking? Nice.

Fuck no. I'm a professional Firefighter. Yeah, take away our collective bargaining because we're "overpaid."

I'm sorry, motherfuckers, but I am not overpaid.

I'd like to see those pussies do what we do.

I thought you meant fuck the workers and protesters! Sorry!

81

jmurray wrote:

The problem with the Wisconsin bill is not the cuts to salaries, benefits or pensions. The problem with the fucking bill is that those cuts were not bargained collectively. If you think public employees make to much run for your town government and sit across the table and tell then that. If you think you don't make enough form a union and bargain a contract. What's left of the middle class in the US should be scared shitless right now. There's a reason the tea party funding fucking Koch brothers poured so much money into Wisconsin and it's not because the care about the Wisconsin budget shortfall, it's about union busting.

i agree that they should be able to bargin together. problem is, politians have historically bent over to unions.