Boy won't wrestle with girl...forfeits match

eyedclaar

It should come down to ability and playing at the highest level possible for an individual and not gender. She may go on to become an MMA fighter one day and those ladies would wipe the floor with 99% of us men.

Break The Sky

norm wrote:

it's a sport for guys? how does having a penis make one better at a headlock?...she's an opponent...if his male ego is fragile to rick losing to a girl i guess it was a good thing he quit

I really don't like taking sides on these boards because there aren't very many people on the PJ boards I don't respect, but right now you're just stirring the pot. He didn't back down because of a frail ego, he backed out because he was uncomfortable with that situation. How many leads-in-the-high-school-musical has backed down because they found out there was an on stage kiss and they weren't comfortable with it, male or female? It's a situation that some of us do not want to be a part of, and it's a situation that, in this instance, should have been avoided. We're not trying to downplay this girl's accomplishments by any means and I think my previous arguments will support that.

pjhawks

eyedclaar wrote:

It should come down to ability and playing at the highest level possible for an individual and not gender. She may go on to become an MMA fighter one day and those ladies would wipe the floor with 99% of us men.

so should i have been allowed to chose to play girls basketball in high school where i would have averaged about 30 points a game and been all-state instead of being a scrub on a lousy boys team?

and i'm guessing the rules for this girl regarding the uniform were probably changed so she didn't have to wear the same thing as the boys.

eyedclaar

pjhawks wrote:

eyedclaar wrote:

It should come down to ability and playing at the highest level possible for an individual and not gender. She may go on to become an MMA fighter one day and those ladies would wipe the floor with 99% of us men.

so should i have been allowed to chose to play girls basketball in high school where i would have averaged about 30 points a game and been all-state instead of being a scrub on a lousy boys team?

Would that have been competing at your highest level? Read what I said. We should encourage those who show aptitude to compete at the highest level available.

Break The Sky

I just think it's crazy to the standard that high school men are held to. It's crazy for these kids who are at an age where they're trying so hard to figure out who the hell they are, that there's an understanding that they must be as masculine as possible and stand up to all opponents of their masculinity. Here's a kid that did the very un-masculine thing of backing out of this match. So it's being said that an "overwhelming majority of men are neanderthals," but then goes on to bash his "frail ego?"

You can't have it both ways, and whatever way you choose, I'll still say the system was wrong for putting him in this situation.

Break The Sky

eyedclaar wrote:

Would that have been competing at your highest level? Read what I said. We should encourage those who show aptitude to compete at the highest level available.

I agree with this, and in this case, just like California, Texas, and Hawaii, a girls tournament should have been available to this girl. It's self-proclaimed in the article that wrestling in Iowa is very very big.

pjhawks

eyedclaar wrote:

pjhawks wrote:

eyedclaar wrote:

It should come down to ability and playing at the highest level possible for an individual and not gender. She may go on to become an MMA fighter one day and those ladies would wipe the floor with 99% of us men.

so should i have been allowed to chose to play girls basketball in high school where i would have averaged about 30 points a game and been all-state instead of being a scrub on a lousy boys team?

Would that have been competing at your highest level? Read what I said. We should encourage those who show aptitude to compete at the highest level available.

sure averaging 30 points a game and being all-state against girls is better than averaging 4 points a game on a lousy boys team FOR ME isn't it? by your definition then a girl could play for a boys team but a boy couldn't play for a girls team? that is pure reverse sexism.

clearly there is nothing that is going to change any of our minds, you either think it's ok or not. i think it's utterly ridiculous that a high school level a girl is competing against a boy in a physical hands-on sport.

RKCNDY

the article did not state who her other opponents were for the matches she wrestled at. Is this the first time someone refused to wrestle her? She was matched up to him probably because there were no other females for her to wrestle or he was the best opponent for her.

I'm with norm here, she knows the concequences and risks, let her wrestle. I knew lots of guys on the wrestling team, and one guy would tell me how he broke a guys collar bone, or dislocate a shoulder. I know it's more of a technical and physical sport, but if some dude had one leg, would that keep you from wrestling him because you didn't want to be in a match with someone with a 'disadvantage'?

pjhawks

Big Drop wrote:

I just think it's crazy to the standard that high school men are held to. It's crazy for these kids who are at an age where they're trying so hard to figure out who the hell they are, that there's an understanding that they must be as masculine as possible and stand up to all opponents of their masculinity. Here's a kid that did the very un-masculine thing of backing out of this match. So it's being said that an "overwhelming majority of men are neanderthals," but then goes on to bash his "frail ego?"

You can't have it both ways, and whatever way you choose, I'll still say the system was wrong for putting him in this situation.

agree and if you read the story the boy clearly states that 'wresting is a violent sport' and he doesn't think it is appropriate for a boy to go against a girl. i think taking a stand that violence against a girl can only be seen as a good thing.

pjhawks

4and20 wrote:

the article did not state who her other opponents were for the matches she wrestled at. Is this the first time someone refused to wrestle her? She was matched up to him probably because there were no other females for her to wrestle or he was the best opponent for her.

I'm with norm here, she knows the concequences and risks, let her wrestle. I knew lots of guys on the wrestling team, and one guy would tell me how he broke a guys collar bone, or dislocate a shoulder. I know it's more of a technical and physical sport, but if some dude had one leg, would that keep you from wrestling him because you didn't want to be in a match with someone with a 'disadvantage'?

so you and Norm are advocating violence against a high school girl - or at least in the words of the boy you wouldn't wrestle. he clearly stated that wrestling is a 'violent' sport and it is not appropriate for a boy to act in that manner towards a girl.

Break The Sky

4and20 wrote:

the article did not state who her other opponents were for the matches she wrestled at. Is this the first time someone refused to wrestle her? She was matched up to him probably because there were no other females for her to wrestle or he was the best opponent for her.

I'm with norm here, she knows the concequences and risks, let her wrestle. I knew lots of guys on the wrestling team, and one guy would tell me how he broke a guys collar bone, or dislocate a shoulder. I know it's more of a technical and physical sport, but if some dude had one leg, would that keep you from wrestling him because you didn't want to be in a match with someone with a 'disadvantage'?

It's not about playing against someone with a disadvantage. I never once brought up the idea that men are better athletes than women because I don't want to say a single sexist thing in my argument. This is about how your mother told you to, "never hit a girl, no matter what." I suppose that's sexist in itself, but if there's a guy out there who's mother encouraged him to hit girls and in retrospect still agrees with that statement then please speak up. I'd love to hear your argument on that matter.

I can say I would be just as uncomfortable wrestling a girl. I don't know if I would have backed down if I were about to make states, but this kid states his faith as a deciding factor. I can genuinely say I would not enjoy wrestling a girl. No matter what the outcome, I guarantee I would be left holding the bag afterwords.

The Fixer

I always thought wrestling was gay. two half naked dudes rolling around on a worm-infested mat, giving each other califlauer (sp?) ear. um, no thanks.

the only way I'm wrestling is if it's with a girl...

eddiec

4and20 wrote:

the article did not state who her other opponents were for the matches she wrestled at. Is this the first time someone refused to wrestle her? She was matched up to him probably because there were no other females for her to wrestle or he was the best opponent for her.

I'm with norm here, she knows the concequences and risks, let her wrestle. I knew lots of guys on the wrestling team, and one guy would tell me how he broke a guys collar bone, or dislocate a shoulder. I know it's more of a technical and physical sport, but if some dude had one leg, would that keep you from wrestling him because you didn't want to be in a match with someone with a 'disadvantage'?

She qualified by wrestling boys to get there as did another girl. The other girl lost in her first round match. I think both girls were in the same weight class. Either way it's a really tough situation. I understand girls competing against boys when there isn't a designated sport for the girls. But team sports and individual sports are so different. When I was a freshmen in high school we had a senior girl on our team. To be honest she wasn't that great of a player but after 3 years of JV the coach put her on the team for her senior year. Hockey is a brutal sport. I had no problem with her on my team but she did change the dynamic of the game. When she had the puck opposing players were afraid to check her. They didn't want to look like the guy who destroyed the girl on the ice. She personally had no problems being checked, she knew what she was getting into and she was tough, but by no means was she treated the same by opponents. If an opposing player did hit her hard our tough guys would go mental and retaliate always landing themselves a penalty. So it really didn't work in that sport. It didn't matter how good she was as a player, it came down to her sex. A one on one sport like wrestling? I can understand why he chose not to wrestle.

eyedclaar

Should women be allowed to fight in the military? Keep in mind that if you say yes, you are clearly advocating violence against women....

RKCNDY

pjhawks wrote:

4and20 wrote:

the article did not state who her other opponents were for the matches she wrestled at. Is this the first time someone refused to wrestle her? She was matched up to him probably because there were no other females for her to wrestle or he was the best opponent for her.

I'm with norm here, she knows the concequences and risks, let her wrestle. I knew lots of guys on the wrestling team, and one guy would tell me how he broke a guys collar bone, or dislocate a shoulder. I know it's more of a technical and physical sport, but if some dude had one leg, would that keep you from wrestling him because you didn't want to be in a match with someone with a 'disadvantage'?

so you and Norm are advocating violence against a high school girl - or at least in the words of the boy you wouldn't wrestle. he clearly stated that wrestling is a 'violent' sport and it is not appropriate for a boy to act in that manner towards a girl.

I don't think wrestling (real wrestling) is a violent sport. Football, I believe is more violent. Wrestling is more about skill, technique, and strength. Not about kicking your opponent's ass. I agree with norm in that, as long as the girl understands that she is subject to the same injuries as a male is and she wants to wrestle, then let her...she just can't cry about 'that boy broke my collarbone'.
Like a mosh pit...I used to go in there, and I'd get my ass beat. I'd crowd surf and boys would grab inappropriate places on my body, so I'd kick them in the face...I didn't whine about being grabbed, dropped, scratched etc...it's all part of the risk of a mosh pit.

Cree Nations

I wrestled in high school and jr high and theres no way in sweet hell I would have wrestled a girl, girls shouldnt be wrestling boys..thats a no brainer

eyedclaar

4and20 wrote:

I don't think wrestling (real wrestling) is a violent sport. Football, I believe is more violent. Wrestling is more about skill, technique, and strength. Not about kicking your opponent's ass. I agree with norm in that, as long as the girl understands that she is subject to the same injuries as a male is and she wants to wrestle, then let her...she just can't cry about 'that boy broke my collarbone'.
Like a mosh pit...I used to go in there, and I'd get my ass beat. I'd crowd surf and boys would grab inappropriate places on my body, so I'd kick them in the face...I didn't whine about being grabbed, dropped, scratched etc...it's all part of the risk of a mosh pit.

Thatta girl. And wrestling isn't that violent. People can get hurt, but I'd wager far more football and basketball players suffer serious injuries than do wrestlers... I have participated in all three sports and was never injured wrestling but certainly was in the other two.

Cree Nations

i wrestled in university for a bit too....I dont know who eyed has been wrestling but it is dangerous. I wouldnt wrestle a girl for the simple fact that wrestling is far too intimate of a sport for this to happen.

eyedclaar

Cree Nations wrote:

i wrestled in university for a bit too....I dont know who eyed has been wrestling but it is dangerous. I wouldnt wrestle a girl for the simple fact that wrestling is far too intimate of a sport for this to happen.

So you like to get intimate when you wrestle guys? No wonder it was dangerous for you.

Cree Nations

eyedclaar wrote:

Cree Nations wrote:

i wrestled in university for a bit too....I dont know who eyed has been wrestling but it is dangerous. I wouldnt wrestle a girl for the simple fact that wrestling is far too intimate of a sport for this to happen.

So you like to get intimate when you wrestle guys? No wonder it was dangerous for you.

lol....welll I didnt wanna say but thats why I had to get out of it.

IF you wrestled then you know what I mean, what are you going to do when your face is stuffed in the crotch of a girl and she has you in a chicken wing?
edit and I am not debating the strenght of a woman vs a man, girls can usually take more pain then guys, I know this.