the article did not state who her other opponents were for the matches she wrestled at. Is this the first time someone refused to wrestle her? She was matched up to him probably because there were no other females for her to wrestle or he was the best opponent for her.
I'm with norm here, she knows the concequences and risks, let her wrestle. I knew lots of guys on the wrestling team, and one guy would tell me how he broke a guys collar bone, or dislocate a shoulder. I know it's more of a technical and physical sport, but if some dude had one leg, would that keep you from wrestling him because you didn't want to be in a match with someone with a 'disadvantage'?
It's not about playing against someone with a disadvantage. I never once brought up the idea that men are better athletes than women because I don't want to say a single sexist thing in my argument. This is about how your mother told you to, "never hit a girl, no matter what." I suppose that's sexist in itself, but if there's a guy out there who's mother encouraged him to hit girls and in retrospect still agrees with that statement then please speak up. I'd love to hear your argument on that matter.
I can say I would be just as uncomfortable wrestling a girl. I don't know if I would have backed down if I were about to make states, but this kid states his faith as a deciding factor. I can genuinely say I would not enjoy wrestling a girl. No matter what the outcome, I guarantee I would be left holding the bag afterwords.
the article did not state who her other opponents were for the matches she wrestled at. Is this the first time someone refused to wrestle her? She was matched up to him probably because there were no other females for her to wrestle or he was the best opponent for her.
I'm with norm here, she knows the concequences and risks, let her wrestle. I knew lots of guys on the wrestling team, and one guy would tell me how he broke a guys collar bone, or dislocate a shoulder. I know it's more of a technical and physical sport, but if some dude had one leg, would that keep you from wrestling him because you didn't want to be in a match with someone with a 'disadvantage'?
She qualified by wrestling boys to get there as did another girl. The other girl lost in her first round match. I think both girls were in the same weight class. Either way it's a really tough situation. I understand girls competing against boys when there isn't a designated sport for the girls. But team sports and individual sports are so different. When I was a freshmen in high school we had a senior girl on our team. To be honest she wasn't that great of a player but after 3 years of JV the coach put her on the team for her senior year. Hockey is a brutal sport. I had no problem with her on my team but she did change the dynamic of the game. When she had the puck opposing players were afraid to check her. They didn't want to look like the guy who destroyed the girl on the ice. She personally had no problems being checked, she knew what she was getting into and she was tough, but by no means was she treated the same by opponents. If an opposing player did hit her hard our tough guys would go mental and retaliate always landing themselves a penalty. So it really didn't work in that sport. It didn't matter how good she was as a player, it came down to her sex. A one on one sport like wrestling? I can understand why he chose not to wrestle.
the article did not state who her other opponents were for the matches she wrestled at. Is this the first time someone refused to wrestle her? She was matched up to him probably because there were no other females for her to wrestle or he was the best opponent for her.
I'm with norm here, she knows the concequences and risks, let her wrestle. I knew lots of guys on the wrestling team, and one guy would tell me how he broke a guys collar bone, or dislocate a shoulder. I know it's more of a technical and physical sport, but if some dude had one leg, would that keep you from wrestling him because you didn't want to be in a match with someone with a 'disadvantage'?
so you and Norm are advocating violence against a high school girl - or at least in the words of the boy you wouldn't wrestle. he clearly stated that wrestling is a 'violent' sport and it is not appropriate for a boy to act in that manner towards a girl.
I don't think wrestling (real wrestling) is a violent sport. Football, I believe is more violent. Wrestling is more about skill, technique, and strength. Not about kicking your opponent's ass. I agree with norm in that, as long as the girl understands that she is subject to the same injuries as a male is and she wants to wrestle, then let her...she just can't cry about 'that boy broke my collarbone'.
Like a mosh pit...I used to go in there, and I'd get my ass beat. I'd crowd surf and boys would grab inappropriate places on my body, so I'd kick them in the face...I didn't whine about being grabbed, dropped, scratched etc...it's all part of the risk of a mosh pit.
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I wrestled in high school and jr high and theres no way in sweet hell I would have wrestled a girl, girls shouldnt be wrestling boys..thats a no brainer
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I don't think wrestling (real wrestling) is a violent sport. Football, I believe is more violent. Wrestling is more about skill, technique, and strength. Not about kicking your opponent's ass. I agree with norm in that, as long as the girl understands that she is subject to the same injuries as a male is and she wants to wrestle, then let her...she just can't cry about 'that boy broke my collarbone'.
Like a mosh pit...I used to go in there, and I'd get my ass beat. I'd crowd surf and boys would grab inappropriate places on my body, so I'd kick them in the face...I didn't whine about being grabbed, dropped, scratched etc...it's all part of the risk of a mosh pit.
Thatta girl. And wrestling isn't that violent. People can get hurt, but I'd wager far more football and basketball players suffer serious injuries than do wrestlers... I have participated in all three sports and was never injured wrestling but certainly was in the other two.
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i wrestled in university for a bit too....I dont know who eyed has been wrestling but it is dangerous. I wouldnt wrestle a girl for the simple fact that wrestling is far too intimate of a sport for this to happen.
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i wrestled in university for a bit too....I dont know who eyed has been wrestling but it is dangerous. I wouldnt wrestle a girl for the simple fact that wrestling is far too intimate of a sport for this to happen.
So you like to get intimate when you wrestle guys? No wonder it was dangerous for you.
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i wrestled in university for a bit too....I dont know who eyed has been wrestling but it is dangerous. I wouldnt wrestle a girl for the simple fact that wrestling is far too intimate of a sport for this to happen.
So you like to get intimate when you wrestle guys? No wonder it was dangerous for you.
lol....welll I didnt wanna say but thats why I had to get out of it.
IF you wrestled then you know what I mean, what are you going to do when your face is stuffed in the crotch of a girl and she has you in a chicken wing?
edit and I am not debating the strenght of a woman vs a man, girls can usually take more pain then guys, I know this.
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i wrestled in university for a bit too....I dont know who eyed has been wrestling but it is dangerous. I wouldnt wrestle a girl for the simple fact that wrestling is far too intimate of a sport for this to happen.
So you like to get intimate when you wrestle guys? No wonder it was dangerous for you.
lol....welll I didnt wanna say but thats why I had to get out of it.
IF you wrestled then you know what I mean, what are you going to do when your face is stuffed in the crotch of a girl and she has you in a chicken wing?
I never wrestled at the college level or anything, but wrestling isn't exactly an MMA fight. And to answer your question, I'd bite her.
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Should women be allowed to fight in the military? Keep in mind that if you say yes, you are clearly advocating violence against women....
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i think they should be allowed to be in the military but not allowed to be on the front line....sorry ladies....the pyschology of warfare to begin with is fucked, then throw woman into it?
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I know I know, If I was in the military, I would probably change my mind. I love everything and anything to do with women, I just dont want to have to beat on them or see them bloodied :(
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if his male ego is fragile to rick losing to a girl i guess it was a good thing he quit
Did you even read the story?
He didn't quit and he didn't forfeit. He defaulted. It's different.
He chose not to wrestler her because of his religious beliefs.
And judging by the records, he would have killed her.
"The dude abides. I don't know about you, but I take comfort in that. It's good knowin' he's out there. The Dude. Takin' her easy for all us sinners."
and i'm guessing the rules for this girl regarding the uniform were probably changed so she didn't have to wear the same thing as the boys.
Nope. No rules changed. She was allowed the wear a shirt under her singlet (as can anyone else competing). Also she had a different kind of head gear on to keep her hair out of the way, but that's very common for female wrestlers.
I may have tried wrestling in H.S. if girls were allowed! The thought of squirming around on a sweaty mat with another male while dressed in a leotard was not at all appealing for me.
Plus, you were not allowed to hit people with folding chairs and deliver flying elbows from atop a ladder. And they called it wrestling .... :roll:
And whats even worse, they don't allow the wrestlers' managers to dress in flashy suits, nor can they divert the referee's attention.
Also- I'm a sports reporter, and have covered a lot of high school sports. I don't mind saying wrestling is by far my least favorite to cover (I just don't get it). But it's important for those who are reading this story to understand that girl wrestlers are not uncommon. In fact, there are a ton of them. In some of the smaller schools I've covered, coaches will recruit girls to fill the lower weight classes (103lbs and 112lbs), because it's hard to find high school boys who weigh that little. A lot of teams end of having to default those weight classes because they can't find anyone small enough to fill them (I wonder how many matches both of these girls won because the teams they wrestled during the regular season didn't have a wrestler in their weight class...not a gender thing, would be the same for any person at 103 or 112, but interesting nonetheless). Anyway I've watched and interviewed several high school girl wrestlers. However, I've never seen a boy default or forfeit a match to avoid wrestling one. I think this story is interesting because it was an individual tournament, where as, most regular season matches are team matches. I wonder if he would have opted out if the result would have hurt his team's chances of winning rather than just his own...
But like I said, I've interviewed a lot of girl wrestlers and they know what they are up against, and they know that it makes guys uncomfortable. But every single one just wanted to compete. They wanted the best match out of whoever they drew to wrestle. And most guys suck it up and give it their best.
"The dude abides. I don't know about you, but I take comfort in that. It's good knowin' he's out there. The Dude. Takin' her easy for all us sinners."
But like I said, I've interviewed a lot of girl wrestlers and they know what they are up against, and they know that it makes guys uncomfortable. But every single one just wanted to compete. They wanted the best match out of whoever they drew to wrestle. And most guys suck it up and give it their best.
I said this in earlier post that my freshmen year in high school we had a girl on our team. She was very well liked on the team and as I recall all the guys really respected her and what she was doing. She didn't get too much ice time but when she did it changed the dynamic of the game. I completely understand it from the girls' point of view. Yes, they want to compete at a high level, I completely respect that. But if it changes the game in a negative way it is not a good thing. We are talking about teenagers, not mature adults, and most of them, and a lot of adults for that matter, wouldn't know to handle the intense situations that arise in sports when you have different genders competing.
But if it changes the game in a negative way it is not a good thing. We are talking about teenagers, not mature adults, and most of them, and a lot of adults for that matter, wouldn't know to handle the intense situations that arise in sports when you have different genders competing.
First thing- hockey is different, at least here in the States. The girls game has completely different rules at the high school level. It's no contact. No checking. Completely different. So yeah, I can see how that would be different for a girl playing in that game. I'm not sure if that's allowed here. I've never seen a girl skater playing high school hockey here. A few goalies, but no skaters.
But for wrestling, I don't think it's bad for the sport, and I don't think girls' competing changes the game in a negative way. I think this story (with the guy choosing not to participate) is an isolated thing. Like I said, I've talked to a lot of girls, and the guys too (the boys almost always win) and it's funny to hear the boys talk about it. Almost all of them tell me the same thing "You really have to try your hardest, because you don't want to lose to a girl."
I've never talked to one who was upset about having to wrestle a girl.
"The dude abides. I don't know about you, but I take comfort in that. It's good knowin' he's out there. The Dude. Takin' her easy for all us sinners."
But if it changes the game in a negative way it is not a good thing. We are talking about teenagers, not mature adults, and most of them, and a lot of adults for that matter, wouldn't know to handle the intense situations that arise in sports when you have different genders competing.
First thing- hockey is different, at least here in the States. The girls game has completely different rules at the high school level. It's no contact. No checking. Completely different. So yeah, I can see how that would be different for a girl playing in that game. I'm not sure if that's allowed here. I've never seen a girl skater playing high school hockey here. A few goalies, but no skaters.
But for wrestling, I don't think it's bad for the sport, and I don't think girls' competing changes the game in a negative way. I think this story (with the guy choosing not to participate) is an isolated thing. Like I said, I've talked to a lot of girls, and the guys too (the boys almost always win) and it's funny to hear the boys talk about it. Almost all of them tell me the same thing "You really have to try your hardest, because you don't want to lose to a girl."
I've never talked to one who was upset about having to wrestle a girl.
I'm from the states though I live in Ireland now. This was back in '88 before girls ice hockey was offered as a girls sport.
as a parent I don't care for it much, I don't have a daughter but if I did I don't think I could handle it.
I may have an old fashioned side to me but that's just the way it is but beauty of it is that as parents we still have that choice while our kids are at that age once they're 18 and in college we kinda loose that option.
if another parent feels differently about that their choice and there is no hard feelings here and there should be no hard feeling toward the young man that defaulted this match.
there was a class at my sons school that I found out about that was a definite no as far as I was concerned so I went to the school and talked with the principal (who agreed with me) and it was a done deal,my son did not have to take the class sense it was not a general education class (math English science etc.)
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It's not about playing against someone with a disadvantage. I never once brought up the idea that men are better athletes than women because I don't want to say a single sexist thing in my argument. This is about how your mother told you to, "never hit a girl, no matter what." I suppose that's sexist in itself, but if there's a guy out there who's mother encouraged him to hit girls and in retrospect still agrees with that statement then please speak up. I'd love to hear your argument on that matter.
I can say I would be just as uncomfortable wrestling a girl. I don't know if I would have backed down if I were about to make states, but this kid states his faith as a deciding factor. I can genuinely say I would not enjoy wrestling a girl. No matter what the outcome, I guarantee I would be left holding the bag afterwords.
the only way I'm wrestling is if it's with a girl...
She qualified by wrestling boys to get there as did another girl. The other girl lost in her first round match. I think both girls were in the same weight class. Either way it's a really tough situation. I understand girls competing against boys when there isn't a designated sport for the girls. But team sports and individual sports are so different. When I was a freshmen in high school we had a senior girl on our team. To be honest she wasn't that great of a player but after 3 years of JV the coach put her on the team for her senior year. Hockey is a brutal sport. I had no problem with her on my team but she did change the dynamic of the game. When she had the puck opposing players were afraid to check her. They didn't want to look like the guy who destroyed the girl on the ice. She personally had no problems being checked, she knew what she was getting into and she was tough, but by no means was she treated the same by opponents. If an opposing player did hit her hard our tough guys would go mental and retaliate always landing themselves a penalty. So it really didn't work in that sport. It didn't matter how good she was as a player, it came down to her sex. A one on one sport like wrestling? I can understand why he chose not to wrestle.
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I don't think wrestling (real wrestling) is a violent sport. Football, I believe is more violent. Wrestling is more about skill, technique, and strength. Not about kicking your opponent's ass. I agree with norm in that, as long as the girl understands that she is subject to the same injuries as a male is and she wants to wrestle, then let her...she just can't cry about 'that boy broke my collarbone'.
Like a mosh pit...I used to go in there, and I'd get my ass beat. I'd crowd surf and boys would grab inappropriate places on my body, so I'd kick them in the face...I didn't whine about being grabbed, dropped, scratched etc...it's all part of the risk of a mosh pit.
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Thatta girl. And wrestling isn't that violent. People can get hurt, but I'd wager far more football and basketball players suffer serious injuries than do wrestlers... I have participated in all three sports and was never injured wrestling but certainly was in the other two.
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So you like to get intimate when you wrestle guys? No wonder it was dangerous for you.
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IF you wrestled then you know what I mean, what are you going to do when your face is stuffed in the crotch of a girl and she has you in a chicken wing?
edit and I am not debating the strenght of a woman vs a man, girls can usually take more pain then guys, I know this.
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I never wrestled at the college level or anything, but wrestling isn't exactly an MMA fight. And to answer your question, I'd bite her.
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And they would be right, but i'm old fashion about certian things, sometimes you just gotta be a Male Chauvinistic Pig.
i can live with that.
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Did you even read the story?
He didn't quit and he didn't forfeit. He defaulted. It's different.
He chose not to wrestler her because of his religious beliefs.
And judging by the records, he would have killed her.
Nope. No rules changed. She was allowed the wear a shirt under her singlet (as can anyone else competing). Also she had a different kind of head gear on to keep her hair out of the way, but that's very common for female wrestlers.
Picture of her in this story
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1358084/High-school-wrestler-forfeits-match-Iowa-state-tournament-face-girl.html
And whats even worse, they don't allow the wrestlers' managers to dress in flashy suits, nor can they divert the referee's attention.
But like I said, I've interviewed a lot of girl wrestlers and they know what they are up against, and they know that it makes guys uncomfortable. But every single one just wanted to compete. They wanted the best match out of whoever they drew to wrestle. And most guys suck it up and give it their best.
I said this in earlier post that my freshmen year in high school we had a girl on our team. She was very well liked on the team and as I recall all the guys really respected her and what she was doing. She didn't get too much ice time but when she did it changed the dynamic of the game. I completely understand it from the girls' point of view. Yes, they want to compete at a high level, I completely respect that. But if it changes the game in a negative way it is not a good thing. We are talking about teenagers, not mature adults, and most of them, and a lot of adults for that matter, wouldn't know to handle the intense situations that arise in sports when you have different genders competing.
First thing- hockey is different, at least here in the States. The girls game has completely different rules at the high school level. It's no contact. No checking. Completely different. So yeah, I can see how that would be different for a girl playing in that game. I'm not sure if that's allowed here. I've never seen a girl skater playing high school hockey here. A few goalies, but no skaters.
But for wrestling, I don't think it's bad for the sport, and I don't think girls' competing changes the game in a negative way. I think this story (with the guy choosing not to participate) is an isolated thing. Like I said, I've talked to a lot of girls, and the guys too (the boys almost always win) and it's funny to hear the boys talk about it. Almost all of them tell me the same thing "You really have to try your hardest, because you don't want to lose to a girl."
I've never talked to one who was upset about having to wrestle a girl.
I'm from the states though I live in Ireland now. This was back in '88 before girls ice hockey was offered as a girls sport.
I figured the guy must be gay. Why wouldn't a high school guy want to wrestle with a girl? Sounds like fun.
I am being facetious. The only sports for girls is soccer.
boys name wasnt greg heffley was it?
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back in the ancient greece wrestling was done............. nekkid. but you know those greeks.. they liked a bit of that.
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I may have an old fashioned side to me but that's just the way it is but beauty of it is that as parents we still have that choice while our kids are at that age
if another parent feels differently about that their choice and there is no hard feelings here and there should be no hard feeling toward the young man that defaulted this match.
there was a class at my sons school that I found out about that was a definite no as far as I was concerned so I went to the school and talked with the principal (who agreed with me) and it was a done deal,my son did not have to take the class sense it was not a general education class (math English science etc.)
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